The REVIEW of The Dave Castro WIR | April 23rd, 2024

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Guess I can start before I get my mic fixed. Bam. We’re live. Oh, I’m fixed.

Tyler Watkins (00:03):

Sort of both of you and No, you’re still on the computer.

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Oh, it’s weird because I hear audio through this


Headset, but I can’t.


Oh, road caster two.


Awesome. Final

Tyler Watkins (00:15):


Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Kyle Watkins here from the Heat one app Ian from the beach.

Tyler Watkins (00:23):

From the beach

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

Cold shitty day, but Avi was taking a swim class. Oh yeah. Wow. Wow.

Tyler Watkins (00:32):


Sevan Matossian (00:34):

Hey, is Dr. Spade Dr. Dr. Pepper?

Tyler Watkins (00:36):

Yes. My favorite by far has been his cola, his Pepsi Cola mock. I like the yuzu lime though.

Sevan Matossian (00:46):

This is pretty good. I haven’t tried it. I’ve never tried. I’ve never tried.

Tyler Watkins (00:49):

Oh, so

Sevan Matossian (00:50):

Good. I’ve never tried. I was going to just try on there. Oops, I just shook.

Tyler Watkins (00:54):

That’s fine. It’s not that it’s It’s not that carbonated. Oh, it’s hard to do, isn’t it?

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Oh, not when you have manly hands like mine. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers to spade. Oh, all right. Design flawed number one. Right? Ready? Listen. Design the can. So when the outside, yeah. Yes, because look, I’m drinking it and it’s showing you the health facts zero, which

Tyler Watkins (01:31):

Is good. No caffeine in this. So we can drink this at 9 34 my time.

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

Oh yeah, this is good. It’s good. This should be mixed in drinks. This needs tequila.

Tyler Watkins (01:44):

Oh yeah. This in a Jack and Coke. Perfect.

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

So that’s the soda one. That’s not the Dr. Pepper one. No,

Tyler Watkins (01:53):

This is Dr. Pepper one.

Sevan Matossian (01:54):

Oh, I can’t wait to try that. Dr. Pepper’s the most unrated drink in the world.

Tyler Watkins (01:58):

It’s really good. When I first started CrossFit, I was basically only drinking sweet tea and Dr. Pepper.

Sevan Matossian (02:08):

Sweet tea.

Tyler Watkins (02:09):

Dude, I’m from the south.

Sevan Matossian (02:11):

Alright. You really, I know. Sometimes I find that hard to believe someone has to be.

Tyler Watkins (02:15):

Do you,

Sevan Matossian (02:17):

Hey, is it weird for you that I’m from California? You’re like, wow. I have a friend who lives in, not only that, but the Bay area

Tyler Watkins (02:23):


Sevan Matossian (02:24):

Where the weird shit is

Tyler Watkins (02:25):

I’ve been to four schools in the past four years.

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

Oh, so you know,

Tyler Watkins (02:29):

I know so many people from California at this point,

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

And if you’re in academia, you’ve seen the weirdness. All the weirdness.

Tyler Watkins (02:36):


Sevan Matossian (02:40):

Man. I’ve been watching some interviews of the lady who’s the head of NPR R National Public Radio. What a shit show. What a shit show.

Tyler Watkins (02:51):

I’ve only ever listened to.

Sevan Matossian (02:54):

She’s hot as fuck, which is kind of weird. She does not look like she fits the,

Tyler Watkins (02:59):

I’m going to look her up,

Sevan Matossian (03:00):

But she’s a fucking nutter. She’s nut. She

Tyler Watkins (03:03):

Runs NPR.

Sevan Matossian (03:04):

Yeah, she runs NPR. She’s the CEO. Basically. She’s against the First Amendment, but she can’t say that.

Tyler Watkins (03:10):

That’s an odd thing for a radio program,

Sevan Matossian (03:13):

Right? That’s funded by the government. Oh, tube tops. You want to talk about tube tops? Jesus crime tube

Tyler Watkins (03:22):

Tops. That’s random, but all right.

Sevan Matossian (03:25):

They’ll even make a fake pair of taste. Look, saggy tube tops are a disaster. Whoever invented those is a dingdong.

Tyler Watkins (03:32):

They hate women. I heard they hate women. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (03:35):

True facts.

Tyler Watkins (03:37):

Catherine Mayer.

Sevan Matossian (03:43):

Have you seen Luis Oscar Mora a video that Hiller made?

Tyler Watkins (03:47):


Sevan Matossian (03:48):

I haven’t watched that either.

Tyler Watkins (03:49):

You guys were sending that stuff over while I was in the middle of this meeting thing.

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

What meeting?

Tyler Watkins (03:58):

I was watching several.

Sevan Matossian (03:59):

For work or for the app?

Tyler Watkins (04:03):

No, for work.

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

Oh, fuck it. I don’t care. Nevermind. Question. Hold on. Oh my God. His fucking Luis Oscar Mo video is 47 minutes.

Tyler Watkins (04:19):

Hell yeah. That means it’s a good one. You know he hates stretching ’em that long. He tries not to.

Sevan Matossian (04:26):

Damn. I was hoping we could watch this. This, by the way, this is the Dave Castro week review, but let me

Tyler Watkins (04:32):

Day late dollar short.

Sevan Matossian (04:33):

That’s a really good point, Tyler, that you just said. That’s a really good point.

Tyler Watkins (04:37):

Yeah, when his go up, I’m like, yep, I need to watch this one if they’re long.

Sevan Matossian (04:46):

I did 60. No, no. I did 60 cleans today with 95 pounds and then I did 60 power cleans with 95 pounds and then 60 front squats with 95 pounds. I’m trying to

Tyler Watkins (04:58):

Change it up.

Sevan Matossian (04:59):

Yeah, try to CrossFit a little bit these days. Were you

Tyler Watkins (05:02):

Inspired by Taylor Self?

Sevan Matossian (05:05):

Maybe. You know what? It really was, I think I was, was a little embarrassed. Embarrassed isn’t the right word. I wasn’t embarrassed, but I was

Tyler Watkins (05:13):

Peer pressured.

Sevan Matossian (05:14):

No, I was bothered at how uncomfortable I didn’t do the third workout in the open because the thrusters just really were not comfortable for me at 95 pounds. So I’m like, okay, I need to start doing more barbell work. Okay, let’s read some of the comments from Hiller’s thing. In Shane’s defense, he’s probably counting down the clock since HQ is dumb enough to make it fight gone Bad style. That’s a dumb comment. It’s a great workout standard. Well, let’s just watch the beginning of Hiller’s video. I don’t understand. Let’s see

Tyler Watkins (05:45):

Just what the premise is. Why not start

Andrew Hiller (05:47):

A little bit early? Huh? This is going to be a video on Louis who has his videos public for the world to see on his YouTube channel. It’s something that I question. I’m questioning a lot of things in this video. It comes from a place in which I just spent the weekend with somebody that I

Tyler Watkins (06:08):


Sevan Matossian (06:08):

Hey, can anyone in the comments tell me, did Luis get

Tyler Watkins (06:13):


Sevan Matossian (06:13):

Yeah. Did he get invalidated by hq?

Tyler Watkins (06:16):

I’m going to look it up. Please hold

Sevan Matossian (06:19):

Se may not even walk out of frame during next open. Did I walk out of frame in my video or something?

Tyler Watkins (06:28):

I would imagine,

Sevan Matossian (06:30):

Dude, I probably stumbled out. You’re looking to similar

Andrew Hiller (06:36):

Video in the past. Whose name is Bill Leahy? The four Bill Lahey Will Lahey. The four currently sits in seventh at the west. Semifinal name is Bill Leahy. The four. Oh wow. That’s me. That’s echoing this time.

Tyler Watkins (06:50):

All scores are valid last year? Yeah. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (06:53):

All of his scores are

Tyler Watkins (06:54):

Valid. All scores are valid. Alright. At the moment. So

Sevan Matossian (06:58):

He’s just free balling this video.

Tyler Watkins (07:00):

He’s found something. He’s gone hunting and found something.

Sevan Matossian (07:05):

I don’t think CrossFit watches the videos. I feel bad, but it kind of hard to sympathize when it’s the athlete’s job to know and meet the movement standards. It’s not difficult to see the entire body of an athlete when you have a trained eye. Wow, man. Dude, nobody can escape the Batman. I’m telling you, bro. This is some amazing depth research into movement standards, bro. The woman in the back, her rep’s garbage too. Oh, all right. I’m going to get back on the assault bike tonight and watch this

Tyler Watkins (07:35):


Sevan Matossian (07:36):

If you ask me. He never achieved a handstand incline shoulder press. Agreed. Proven is an embarrassment. Wow.

Tyler Watkins (07:47):

I wonder if you had had a snapshot of proven or whatever video he watches, if it’s a proven video or what. Buttery bros. Maybe if there were negative comments on it before Hiller said anything. That’s what I always kind look for.

Sevan Matossian (08:05):

Well, he’s made this no rep thing as kind of like a favorite pastime of people now.

Tyler Watkins (08:11):

I mean it kind of was before, but now we got a guy flag to stand behind. Just a

Sevan Matossian (08:20):

Professional nore.

Tyler Watkins (08:22):

I didn’t know I was getting the call.

Sevan Matossian (08:24):

There you go.

Tyler Watkins (08:25):

This is the big leagues bro. Step

Sevan Matossian (08:30):

Right up. Chasing her from get with the programming. I wish I knew which one of these.

Andrew Hiller (08:39):

I’m Captain America.

Tyler Watkins (08:41):

You can’t do your own sound. I’m going to have to buy a soundboard.

Sevan Matossian (08:55):

We were waiting for you, chase.

Tyler Watkins (08:57):

I thought you were going to tell me

Sevan Matossian (08:59):

We weren’t really waiting for you at the

Tyler Watkins (09:00):

Last minute. Yeah. How much are those soundboards?

Sevan Matossian (09:05):

Go ahead. Chase.

Tyler Watkins (09:06):


Sevan Matossian (09:08):

I’m going to say 605 99. You

Chase Ingraham (09:11):

Get bundles on Amazon with Mikes

Tyler Watkins (09:13):

Too. That for like a thousand. I need to get one of those.

Sevan Matossian (09:16):

Hey, did we end up with a heat one winner for quarterfinals?

Tyler Watkins (09:20):

So I thought about talking about this on social media today is that we’re kind of stuck if the Zach Bunton thing is true, he beats Jeff Adler in the clean workout and there’s a bet for

Sevan Matossian (09:36):

That. Remind me about Zach Bunton.

Tyler Watkins (09:39):

So in workout four, Zach Bunton supposedly beat Jeff Adler one more clean and we had a bet for Jeff on that workout. It was either he set the record for the cleans in that workout or anyone else in the world did, and it looked like Jeff actually did it. And then we get some behind the scenes news that actually Zach Bunton did it. He just screwed up on his submission.

Sevan Matossian (10:07):

So you’re just waiting for CrossFits about you’ll give it like another week until CrossFits validated

Tyler Watkins (10:11):

Essentially. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (10:13):

Zach button.

Tyler Watkins (10:14):

But I mean I guess I could talk about who the winner could be.

Sevan Matossian (10:19):

Do we know him? Do I know him? Her? They them.

Tyler Watkins (10:23):

Do we know a dusty Wyatt?

Sevan Matossian (10:28):

Is that the guy who was doing my sub clip station for like eight seconds? I

Tyler Watkins (10:32):

Don’t know. Richard Leb could win. He’s in first right now with 851 points, but Rami HCP

Sevan Matossian (10:42):

Is in second. I know a dusty. I know a Dusty Willard.

Tyler Watkins (10:48):

Dusty Willard. These people are fake. That’s not a real name.

Sevan Matossian (10:54):

Dusty Willard. It is. That’s my sub-C clip guy who wants to work really hard, who watches the show, who watches 80% of the shows and just has a good eye for sub clips and wants to just blow my fucking sub-C clip station up.

Tyler Watkins (11:10):

I don’t want to work that hard.

Chase Ingraham (11:14):

I would screw that up so bad. I watch it, but I would screw that up so bad.

Tyler Watkins (11:19):

I can’t.

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

I’m going to give you the first $1,500 a month that the station makes

Tyler Watkins (11:27):

Every month catches.

Sevan Matossian (11:29):

No, that’s it. And then we renegotiate. It’s all you. The harder you work, the greater chances you are here. Oh, dusty, Dustin, Wyatt. Oh look it. Oh shit. Here’s the dude. So this dude might be 20. I

Tyler Watkins (11:41):

Knew we knew him.

Sevan Matossian (11:42):

Dude, you might make 2,500 bucks, dude.

Tyler Watkins (11:45):

Yeah, he’s in the top running right now.

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

Dave Castro. We can review 24 minutes. 1.25 speed. You ready Tyler?

Tyler Watkins (12:01):

I’m ready.

Sevan Matossian (12:02):

Tyler from the Heat one app, chase Ingram from Get with the programming. Here we go.

Dave Castro (12:06):

I’ve done Zone off and on since my level one in 2015. It’s great. This is because last week we talked about, someone commented saying they didn’t know anybody who did the zone, and I actually said I knew hundreds of people. The truth is I probably know thousands of people. A lot of people have used it and have used

Sevan Matossian (12:18):

It and I claim he doesn’t even know hundreds of people. By the way,

Tyler Watkins (12:21):

Can you turn him up?

Sevan Matossian (12:23):


Chase Ingraham (12:25):

Oh yeah, there you go.

Dave Castro (12:26):

Do you want to hear more about that? Look back at last week at Tom Schwinn, 6 0 6 4 quarterfinals have been there, done that and I do not have a T-shirt. Dave, I wrapped up my quarterfinals workouts yesterday and really enjoyed the test. Outstanding job by all involved. However, I ordered my quarter C on 4 7 2 plus weeks ago. As soon as I received the code and have yet to receive it. The tracking information provided does not contain a projected delivery date. And the link status simply states unknown. I’ve had friends that have had similar issues with their open t-shirt orders. CrossFit can do better than this process is better than this. Keep the weekend reviews coming. I haven’t even got my T-shirt yet, so I hear you. We definitely can do better than this. It’s not like we’re fulfilling the T-shirt orders. Clearly we have a third party who’s assisting us with this and we understand and we recognize what’s happening, what happened through the open and what’s happening now. And we are looking at ways to fix this and make this better so it doesn’t happen again.

Sevan Matossian (13:12):

This has always been a problem even when we had Reebok, right?

Tyler Watkins (13:16):

How many shirts is it? It’s got to be a blue billion.

Chase Ingraham (13:22):


Sevan Matossian (13:23):

You just That must be a southern term. It

Chase Ingraham (13:25):

Is. Sorry. Blue billion.

Tyler Watkins (13:27):

Blue billion.

Chase Ingraham (13:28):

What’s that?

Tyler Watkins (13:30):

It’s a lot.

Sevan Matossian (13:31):

Julian Er. Great show guys. What happened to Tyson Ro? He got fired. Any

Chase Ingraham (13:35):

Questions? How do they know that

Sevan Matossian (13:38):

Mariah made a post?

Chase Ingraham (13:39):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:45):

I don’t want to talk about it with Chase on here.

Chase Ingraham (13:47):

Thank you. Chase has got his hand on the but and he is like, alright,

Sevan Matossian (13:53):

You’re welcome.

Chase Ingraham (13:55):

On my podcast if the guys go off, they just say Earmuffs and I disappear until they’re done talking

Dave Castro (14:04):

Dream is 1978. Hey Dave, thank you for the time and effort you and HQ put into the quarterfinal workouts. They were actually fun. Kind of question, sir, was there any specific reason we didn’t see a one rep max or heavy complex this year for either the open or quarterfinals or was it just because thanks for the time. It’s never just because there’s a very deliberate reason you didn’t see a one rep max in the open or the quarterfinals or a heavy complex. I’m getting my thing caught up. Come here on Doug. So here’s the deal. If we were to have a one rep max say clean and jerk in the open, and I won’t say we didn’t touch strength, don’t say we didn’t touch strength specifically in the quarter finals. If we would’ve had a one rep max clean and jerk in the open as one of the three workouts or even add it as a part B, it would really skew the results overall because you’d have outliers.


You have people who signed up and who have no work capacity or very low work capacity and are really strong and just put these huge numbers up and they are not overall fit. So in the open it really clutters the data. Even at the quarterfinal level. You’ll have a lot of people who are fit enough to advance the quarterfinals but are really strength athletes and have really strong numbers and that could knock out the cohort we’re looking at have advanced to the semis, which are people who are well-rounded CrossFitters with a high level of work capacity of cross broad type and modal domains. So if we had just a pure strength element there, it skews with the data a little. What we tested in the quarter finals was you had to be really fucking strong to do really well at that workout. Well fatigued and at a high heart rate. So the type of strength we tested in the quarterfinal

Sevan Matossian (15:31):

Mason Mitchell, what about 18.2? His argument doesn’t apply there. I dunno what 18.2 is, but dude, you can go back and always find something if you’re just going to look at the whole fucking library of workouts, Mason, you can always, you’re always going to find some inconsistency. I mean we’re moving forward, right?

Chase Ingraham (15:48):

It’s about time. He said it.

Sevan Matossian (15:50):


Chase Ingraham (15:51):

Dave? It’s about time they admitted it.

Sevan Matossian (15:54):

Admitted what?

Chase Ingraham (15:56):

You don’t do one rep maxes in the open or quarter,

Sevan Matossian (15:59):


Tyler Watkins (15:59):


Chase Ingraham (16:00):

Don’t do it.

Sevan Matossian (16:01):

Hey, was 2 45 a good weight chase? Yes, for the final bar, fourth bar,

Chase Ingraham (16:08):

25% for one. But if you look at anybody who finished that, that’s going hard. You cannot be weak and win that workout and you cannot be unfit and win that workout. So you can’t just be strong and win it and you can’t just be weak and conditioned and win it. It was just fine for the number. Everyone had five minutes left and they’re basically maxing it out. The last list for everybody, you got guys who can clean and jerk 365, 3 85 split jerk in 2 45 power cleans and it was great. It was just what they needed to do.

Sevan Matossian (16:46):

It was 10 reps with 1 35 and then 10 reps with 180 5, 180 5 and then 10 reps with 2 25 and then

Tyler Watkins (16:56):

Max and remaining time

Sevan Matossian (16:58):

With 2 45. Okay, and what did you think of the weight? Tyler, you like it?

Tyler Watkins (17:02):

It’s fine. I think if I had to critique it, 2 45 versus 2 25 is not really a big difference. Would’ve probably rather him just either kept 2 45 or 2 25 or have bumped it up to two 60 or something like that. I think two 60 would’ve been a good jump. Or 2 55. Yeah, two

Chase Ingraham (17:20):

Five me in the middle.

Tyler Watkins (17:23):

But it would’ve been actually kind of a more cool test to it just have been at 2 25, just maxed out at 2 25.

Sevan Matossian (17:33):

What about for next year if there are quarterfinals to just raise it to two 50 and then the year after that keep it again and raise it to 2 55,

Tyler Watkins (17:42):

Keep the same workout

Sevan Matossian (17:43):

And just keep adding or

Chase Ingraham (17:44):

Change the weights and do snatches.

Sevan Matossian (17:47):

There you go.

Chase Ingraham (17:49):

You can do that format. And that’s another thing that they did great. This is a retread of the online semifinals in 2021 and they did the same weights but with snatches. It was the same workout

Sevan Matossian (18:02):

At the semifinal level.

Chase Ingraham (18:04):

At the semifinal level, but was, and I think it was squat snatches. I believe it had to be squat snatches. So

Sevan Matossian (18:09):

Easier movement, little lighter, one step earlier in the competition change,

Chase Ingraham (18:13):

25%, everyone gets to play. But I like that format. Yeah, it was great. Just change the weights and change the lists you do every year. Snatches one year thrusters one year. You could do so much with that format Squat. Squat clean would’ve been really cool. Also, it would’ve blown the hell out of your legs. It would’ve sucked.

Dave Castro (18:34):

Was appropriate for the type of strength that we value. Now once you have all these fit athletes or let’s say all these fit athletes, this 99% that are advancing to semis or the next stage and then eventually to the games now testing one rep max amongst that really fit and consistently high level of performing CrossFitter, then it’s more appropriate there. So I think where you put one rep max test when doing something like the open quarters, semis and games is really important. And it shouldn’t be earlier on, it should be later because earlier on we’re testing for overall fitness. If you want to test for strength, go sign up for a fucking power lifting event or go sign up for a weightlifting. Nothing against either of those, but I’m saying at the earlier stages it’s more about work capacity, more about being a good CrossFitter being fit than it is about strength. Although you need to be strong to do really well at the stuff in the open and obviously the stuff in the quarterfinals. Specifically the last event in the quarterfinals


Xlo. Hey Dave, just want to say the team did a bang of job with the programming quarterfinals also was wondering if you took time to watch Taylor versus the world. It has me more excited than ever for the game season. I hope it generates a buzz around quarterfinals or around hq. Can’t wait for semifinals yet. The team did do a great job with programming. I’m happy with it. I’ll talk a little bit later about my poor experience with it, but the programming for quarterfinals was really good. So overall very happy with it. I did not watch Taylor versus the world, but as I talked to Seon, he told me about it and it sounds like it’s a huge success. It’s pretty cool what those guys are doing. The way they’ll take moments of what we are doing and then make their own little media moments from them and highlight athletes and highlight the

Chase Ingraham (20:06):


Sevan Matossian (20:06):

Our own little media moments. Little you fucking douche canoe. I mean, thank you Dave. That’s nice of you to recognize this.

Chase Ingraham (20:15):

I knew he is going to see He

Dave Castro (20:16):

Is killing it.

Chase Ingraham (20:16):


Sevan Matossian (20:17):

Never saw

Chase Ingraham (20:18):

It. Never. He’s always got to throw in the smallest sack tap like ads.

Sevan Matossian (20:23):

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Chase Ingraham (20:24):

Yeah. That’s a brother thing, right? People don’t girls or my wife, if I’m ever around a group of guy friends and if a guy walks, there’s a certain perimeter I have and if you get within that, I immediately cover up. I dunno if anybody immediately not even thinking about it. If you get within six inches of my, you have

Sevan Matossian (20:49):


Chase Ingraham (20:50):

Oh for sure. I grew up with two brothers and a dad that taught us how to do it. It was just Charlie horses and snack taps. That’s how I feel around Jason and Taylor whenever they’re near each other. Jesus Christ.

Sevan Matossian (21:04):

He Dave did call me though and was asking me on those days what the scores were.

Chase Ingraham (21:10):

Oh, that’s cool.

Sevan Matossian (21:11):

Yeah, so he was interested and when I told him the scores, he was blown away. He was like, holy shit. When I told him Jason got two 60 on that, he’s like, nah, nah, dude, this workout. I’m like, yeah, two 60, dude. He’s like, what the fuck? And Jason set the world record for that, right? Yeah. I don’t like it when you say world record, well then don’t listen to the show. I love

Chase Ingraham (21:31):

World record. I’ll take world record over test record for the rest of my life, right?

Sevan Matossian (21:36):

Yeah. Then don’t listen. I don’t. Dave used to do the thing when I worked at hq. I’m so proud of you. But it wasn’t like he was really proud of me. It was like he was my dad.

Chase Ingraham (21:50):

He had that little smirk when he said it too.

Sevan Matossian (21:52):

Yeah. I’m so proud of you. I’m so proud of you

Dave Castro (21:54):

With that stuff. Seon and his team with their outside of the box ideas to kind of covering or showing the world some of these things from a different perspective. So a plus for them on that shit because doing a great job with it. Can’t wait funnels already. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

Wow. Okay. I’ll take it. I’ll

Chase Ingraham (22:09):

Take it a plus.

Sevan Matossian (22:11):

Wow. Dude,

Chase Ingraham (22:13):

It was awesome dude, you guys, that was so

Sevan Matossian (22:16):

I can’t wait to tell you what we’re going to do next. You guys are going to shit yourself. You guys are going to fucking shit yourself. We have a whole new Taylor self versus the world

Chase Ingraham (22:29):


Sevan Matossian (22:31):

Yeah, scam.

Chase Ingraham (22:35):


Sevan Matossian (22:36):

Guys are going to fucking trip. I can’t wait to tell you

Dave Castro (22:42):

At David Hellman in 4 1 7 7. Love these videos. I recently quit my career of 18 years to pursue full-time working CrossFit and athlete specific sport training. I’ve never been more excited on taking this step into the unknown and more terrified about what it can do to what it can do financially to me and my wife one day at a time. The unknown and unknowable. Good luck. If you need any help in your journey, let me know. There’s a great community here to support you. So communicate here or in any of the other places and forums, whether there’s coaches and trainers speaking to help answer all your questions.

Sevan Matossian (23:11):

I didn’t hear the question I was was in my head. Just jerking myself off. Oh great. What?

Chase Ingraham (23:17):

I’m new to CrossFit. I’m excited. Okay. I think that I quit his job of 18 years and he got into sports fit training with CrossFit and is just going for it.

Sevan Matossian (23:27):

Yeah, it’s david by the way buddy. If you need any, you want to talk to him directly.

Chase Ingraham (23:34):

It’s true.

Sevan Matossian (23:35):

He loves getting emails.

Chase Ingraham (23:36):

He puts it out there though. He’s put that out there before.

Sevan Matossian (23:40):

And if you do email, Dave, don’t expect full sentences

Chase Ingraham (23:44):

Or an

Tyler Watkins (23:45):

Yeah or a reply.

Sevan Matossian (23:49):

Don’t have expectations. I would write ’em like these three paragraph emails and I’d get these one word answers back

Dave Castro (24:00):

Rabbit oh nine. You see CrossFitters that stay overweight for years because they can’t stay off the refine process starts carbohydrates. You can out-train a shitty diet glass. So you cannot out-train in quotation the shitty diet. That quote goes to Greg. It’s absolutely true. So at the base of our pyramid is nutrition because we view nutrition as the most important piece in your fitness and health journey. And if you are struggling with your weight and you’re doing constantly varied functional movements executed at high intensity, you should probably take a look at what you’re eating and how you’re eating and what the macronutrient breakdown is of it. And specifically if it’s really high in carbohydrate, specifically refined carbohydrate. If it is, you should look at reducing your carbon intake. Every individual has a different tolerance for carbs and it affects them differently. So some people are really sensitive to carbohydrate and put on weight easier because of that.


So yes, you cannot out-train a shitty diet. And I think also with that, you hear me talk often about this, but some of the highest level athletes and some of their experiences and some of the way they talk about how they eat and what they promote, I don’t think is really good for the average CrossFitter overall. A lot of those guys eat high levels of carbohydrate for their training because they can and then they promote like Brooke eating donuts or the buttery bros in their pancakes. Not that they’re high level athletes, but the buttery bros in their pancakes. They’re good people, but they’re not high level

Sevan Matossian (25:25):

Athletes. They are high level athletes though, aren’t they?

Tyler Watkins (25:27):

Endurance athletes. I think

Sevan Matossian (25:30):

They’re pretty fucking fit. Mars

Chase Ingraham (25:32):

Is a good athlete. Just period.

Sevan Matossian (25:35):

And Hebrews fit as fuck, isn’t he?

Tyler Watkins (25:37):

Yeah, he’s come a long way. Hebrews come a long way the past couple of years. But I mean in their ability to work, don’t underestimate that they work hard.

Sevan Matossian (25:49):

You mean just put out content? Yeah.

Tyler Watkins (25:53):


Chase Ingraham (25:53):

To put out content and train in much little modalities as they do for that content is very impressive. And think about what we’re comparing them to. Okay, if I compare ’em to semi-final games athletes, but for the rest of the world, top 1%. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (26:11):

Matthew Welty. It’s really alcohol for most people and not their food, but they don’t want to admit it or they don’t know. You know what that

Chase Ingraham (26:17):

Guy’s talking about at all.

Sevan Matossian (26:23):

Okay, here we go.

Dave Castro (26:27):

Brooke. Promoting donuts, TIA promoting however she eats. So-and-so promoting eating pizza, even Froning at his camps, promoting how they eat cereal. And so all of that is fine for them for various different reasons. The amount they train, how again, carbohydrate affects them. But I think sometimes the average CrossFitter or the person may be struggling with weight sees that and they think it’s okay for them to eat the same way where it possibly not. And again, every specific example, every specific individual is going to be a little different and require different approaches. But generally speaking, if you’re struggling losing weight, and we should definitely take a look at your diet and we should specifically probably take a look at your refined carbohydrate consumption. And that’s why the zone is an important mechanism because you can really specifically see how much you’re eating and tracking macros, same concept, different way of doing it, but taking a look at that stuff is important.

Sevan Matossian (27:23):

Hey, I mean I haven’t hung out with Rich in 14 years, but in the two times or three or four times that I hung out with him for a week or more, he ate very little at each meal. I mean very little. He would open a Tupperware container and take two scoops of salad, a chicken salad and then be done, put it away. He would drink a cup of milk, chocolate milk, 16 ounces and that would be his meal. So I think a lot of it also is just overeating at one meal. I mean he very little,

Chase Ingraham (28:02):

Well Richard was pretty notorious for that early on.

Sevan Matossian (28:05):

Just small meals and I bet you he still doesn’t eat a lot.

Chase Ingraham (28:09):

He do you remember a car back loading? You remember that phase

Sevan Matossian (28:14):

In CrossFit?

Chase Ingraham (28:15):


Sevan Matossian (28:17):

I think I’m still in that phase.

Chase Ingraham (28:21):

It was something that Neil Maddox was doing and all the guys in my gym, this is like man, early 2010 to 13 and carb backloading was the rage because Neil Maddox does it. What he does is he doesn’t eat any carbs all day and then if he works out at really high intensity, he can eat whatever he wants. Past late at night, he was like 10:00 PM or later. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (28:44):

I think Devin LT was doing that too. The

Chase Ingraham (28:46):

Here’s the thing is everyone’s looking at Neo Maddox, it’s like Neo Maddox can do whatever he want and do like Neil Maddox or Jason kli and all the guys try to do it at the gym. I even tried it for a little bit and all we did was get fat and sucked at CrossFit afterwards.

Sevan Matossian (29:00):

How about when James Townsend’s on here and you hear how he eats, you’re just like, how can that be? How does he eat?

Chase Ingraham (29:05):

It’s freaks,

Sevan Matossian (29:06):

Man. He has no issues. I think just eating sugar, just no issues. And look at him, he’s fucking carved of granite. If you

Chase Ingraham (29:15):

Look at a lot of the, there’s a thing about Dion Sanders back in the day where he would show up to the combine with a bag of McDonald’s, run a 4 22, 4 0.22 40 and then just leave the stadium. There’s just freaks out there and you should not take any nutritional advice from them. Yeah, you’re not willing.

Sevan Matossian (29:34):

Dave’s a huge proponent of different insulin sensitivities. Does not think, he thinks that. There’s some people who could just eat fucking sugar all day and be good. And there’s some people who just, they take one sip off a coke and they got a rubber tire around their waist.

Tyler Watkins (29:53):

No, dude, if I really want to lose weight, I have to almost completely cut out carbohydrate.

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