The Realest with Bill Grundler

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Oh, let me, bam, bam, bam, bam. We’re live. Okay, so thanks Bill for doing this, running this test with us. Yeah,

Bill Grundler (00:07):

I’m gonna play with you guys. Dude, I’m excited. I didn’t get to last time.

Sevan Matossian (00:11):

Say that

Bill Grundler (00:11):

Again. I didn’t get to last weekend.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

Yeah. What were you doing last weekend? Definitely weren’t cutting your hair.

Bill Grundler (00:16):

I don’t cut my hair. Well, I’m not gonna go man, bun like yours, <laugh>. I do have to say your kids rocket better than you do. They do a good job

Sevan Matossian (00:24):

At it. Nobody has been on the sh none. None of my friends, I use that term loosely, have no, no friend has come on the show and lasted more than 30 seconds without fucking taking a shot at the man bun. All of ’em. It’s true.

Bill Grundler (00:34):

Well, you talked about my hair. I wouldn’t have said a word. <laugh>. You opened up the door. You

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

Pushed me first Heavy. You pushed me

Bill Grundler (00:41):

First. He threw a rock, so I had to throw a rock. Um, no, it was my, uh, my, it was my daughter’s birthday yesterday, so we were in my birthday, so we went out to this, uh, you ever heard of the Great Wolf Lodge?

Sevan Matossian (00:53):

No. Sounds good though. It’s, uh, is it glamping? Is it glamping?

Bill Grundler (00:56):

No, it’s a, it’s a Wally World version. Wally World Water World version of like, Disneyland. So it’s like this big resort that has, and it’s a chain of ’em. There’s a big hotel and they have an indoor waterpark. And it was up in, uh, Manteca is where the one I went to.

Sevan Matossian (01:13):

Oh, that’s cool. The water slides are gone. They’re up there, huh?

Bill Grundler (01:16):

Yeah. Well, it’s indoor, so it goes year round. So we just went up there. It was cool. It was, I mean, but the water

Sevan Matossian (01:22):

Slides are, but the water slides are toasted. They opened, right?

Bill Grundler (01:25):

No, they all, yeah, they all worked. Oh, yeah, that, yeah, that thing. Yeah. So it was literally

Sevan Matossian (01:31):

Like on the property that the mante, but there used to be a place called Manteca Water Slides when we were kids. Do you remember that?

Bill Grundler (01:36):

Oh, I don’t know. I do. I didn’t go to Manteca.

Sevan Matossian (01:39):

Yeah, okay.

Bill Grundler (01:40):

Oh, yeah, right. Yourself mean Southern California or Arizona, you know? So, but like, how old’s your

Sevan Matossian (01:44):

Daughter? How old’s your daughter?

Bill Grundler (01:45):

Uh, so both of my daughters turned, my oldest turned 22. My youngest turned eight yesterday. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (01:51):

So this is appropriate for the eight year old.

Bill Grundler (01:54):

Yeah, dude. Totally. Well, I mean, it actually was, I could see teenagers there too. I mean, like, the slides were fun. Like, they were, they were legit. They had some good ones. Um, but it was little kid extravaganza. Dude, it was nuts.

Sevan Matossian (02:07):

Hey, look how many viewers we have right now. This is like those other shows that go live.

Bill Grundler (02:12):

No way.

Sevan Matossian (02:13):

I couldn’t help it. I couldn’t help it. <laugh> be nice, heavy. Um, uh, bill Grundler. Um,

Bill Grundler (02:22):

What the fuck is going on here? <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (02:24):

I’m gonna come hard at you. I’m gonna

Bill Grundler (02:25):

Come fucking hard.

Sevan Matossian (02:26):

You ready? Is this an intervention? You ready? You ready? Fucking Bill. Who

Bill Grundler (02:30):

Me? Yeah. You

Sevan Matossian (02:30):

Ready? You ready for the fucking hard question?

Bill Grundler (02:33):

Whatever you wanna bring, dude, come on.

Sevan Matossian (02:35):

Here it goes. Sarah Sigmund’s daughter, the, maybe the first great, great hope CrossFit ever had. Like, when she, I remember when she popped on the scene, I’m like, holy fuck. We have another, uh, rich Rony, um, gets on the podium a couple times, had some ups and downs, hugely popular, fantastic smile, super charming, beautiful inside and out. Just just wants to fucking be healthy enough to fucking compete, right? Shows up at Waap Palooza just wants to comp, just like her perspective is as like, fuck if I can just not be injured and get out there on the floor, right? And, and now May Now if you see her content, she actually wants to win the games. But, and on the other hand, right, we have

Bill Grundler (03:23):

Wait for the, so waiting for the

Sevan Matossian (03:24):

Question. We have Mall O’Brien who’s got everything, the world in her fucking hand. We can’t keep her ma her her name out of our mouth, can make it to the games with a fucking thumb in her butt. But she pulls out and, uh, this isn’t a dig at her or a dig at Sarah, but it’s just fascinating to me this morning I was thinking about the perspectives, right? Like, like you might, you, you think you might wanna win the games, but let me say, you get hit by a car and put in a wheelchair and you’re fighting for your fucking life all of a sudden. Like, you’re just, you just wanna walk. You know what I’m saying? Hundred percent. Like, these are just, these are just amazing. Per, this is an amazing opportunity for us to see. Like, no, no matter what you say, it just is relative. At the end of the day, it’s, it’s almost like we have to get, um, her and Sarah in the car together and let them go. Like, someone’s asked me this morning, what’s the cure of her mal? She needs to go on a fucking car ride with fucking Sarah, uh, or walk across the fucking desert and just be like, dude, just be thankful You can walk. Be thankful you don’t have cancer. Be thankful. You know what I mean?

Bill Grundler (04:24):


Sevan Matossian (04:24):

So, or am I oversimplifying?

Bill Grundler (04:27):

Uh, no, but I think you’re looking at, um, a, uh,

Sevan Matossian (04:32):

And I’m not saying it’s not relevant what Mel’s going through. She just needs wis. She, she needs someone to impart wisdom on her. Like, I used to want my kids to do good at Jiujitsu until Avi got kicked in the stomach and something was wrong with his bladder for eight weeks. And then since that happened a year and a half ago, and since then, like, I don’t give a fuck. I just need my kids to show up. Totally. I dropped the whole desire for them to be good.

Bill Grundler (04:50):

Okay. So you have two completely different perspectives with Mal, even though she’s been, you know, at the game for a while, she’s still really young, right? Um, she came on exploded, you know, was right up at the top right away. Same thing with Sarah. So Sarah came in, she was second, her first year, her rookie year, second, third, second,

Sevan Matossian (05:10):

I think, I think she’s been on, uh, third both times. She was on the podium the

Bill Grundler (05:13):

Third. Okay. That’s right. Um, but,

Sevan Matossian (05:15):

But, but could have won it easy. Could have won it. Like, like it, it’s, there were

Bill Grundler (05:18):

A lot of opportunities. There was a lot of opportunities for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So when you do that, and this is the same thing I think even happened, like with Laura Horvath, is when you hop up to the top in the very beginning, then there is a lot of pressure that comes in a lot of expectation. And I think what was hard for Sarah is she felt all that pressure. She, what we saw with Sarah a lot, I mean, that’s why she jumped from training camp, to training camp, to training camp, to training camp. Because she was trying to find the spark that would allow her to get where she was. And if this didn’t work this year, then boom, she jumped to another camp. And all I saw was her really struggling with why, like, mentally, why can’t I be strong enough to handle or be where I was when I was on the podium?


Hmm. Like, why can’t I get that back? So there was that piece as she went through years of that, you know, it’s, it gets really frustrating. It grates on you. So then when all of a sudden you take that and you add, you know, the, the, you know, leg issue and, uh, knee issues and shoulder issues and other injuries here, and other injuries there, just as, which, as what happens when you’re in any sport for any long period of time, you’re gonna get hurt. Like, yes, no athlete is out there and not hurt. Everyone’s dealing with something, all of ’em. Um, but that does play, that does play with your head. Now, if she would’ve, let’s say she would’ve taken a year off earlier. She had the physical capabilities to come back because she always kind of keeps coming back. So she could have come back and if there was a chance of maybe settling her head somewhere to get into a better head space to do that, maybe that would’ve been a better call.


I’m not saying that yes or no. I’m just saying maybe now with Mal, she’s young enough and she’s good enough that she can take a year off and be like, Hey, I need to chill out. And this is, so I was gonna actually call in on your show. Um, I didn’t, but I, I was going to, when we saw a lot of things with Mal this last year, she didn’t do, um, didn’t do Dubai. Um, there were a couple other ones that she de decided to opt out of the, out of the season one. Then it was a lot of the, hey, rogue, she didn’t do Rogue. Rogue, okay. A rogue, um, which were big decisions with the comment that came out of, you know what, this isn’t what’s important. I need to make sure that physically I’m ready for the games. Well, was

Sevan Matossian (07:32):

That a lie? Lemme pause you here. Was that a lie?

Bill Grundler (07:34):

I, I, I can’t say if it was a lie or not. I don’t, it, it, I don’t think it is a lie. Um, but what may have happened, well, we

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Made the assumption when they said that we thought they meant physical. Maybe it was

Bill Grundler (07:44):

Physical, maybe it was physical. She was, maybe there was some mental stuff being seen that the team was looking at, and it’s like, Hey, maybe we need to settle you out, settle you down a little bit. The hard part of that is I watched her at the, um, when she did the open, um, announcement. I mean, she looked like fucking nails against, oh,

Sevan Matossian (08:01):

Against Miss Brandon.

Bill Grundler (08:02):

Yeah. So, I mean, but it’s really, it’s a, it’s a trip because like Mel’s game face, you see zero expression. So I don’t know if we would see frustration, excitement, nervousness, cockiness, like she has no expression.

Sevan Matossian (08:18):

God, that’s a beautiful picture right there, by the way. Who, who’s the girl on the right?

Bill Grundler (08:24):

Uh, uh,

Sevan Matossian (08:26):

I don’t know who took that. Does it say who took that? God, that’s a good best picture. All right. Uh, okay. I mean, maybe,

Bill Grundler (08:35):

Maybe some, maybe something was going on there, you know what I mean? And maybe,

Sevan Matossian (08:38):

And, and we assumed it was physical that she was like maybe working on some sort of physical stuff, but it could have been mental, which it means, well,

Bill Grundler (08:44):

Why I break myself down for the rogue? That doesn’t count.

Sevan Matossian (08:46):


Bill Grundler (08:47):

You know, maybe, I mean, again, it’s, it’s all speculation, but, uh, gosh, she’s a beast. Yeah. How the hell are you that young and that Beasley? That’s insane. Two weeks

Sevan Matossian (08:58):


Bill Grundler (08:59):


Sevan Matossian (09:00):

That’s another fucking great picture of her. Holy shit. God, I wonder if it’s like, those are good pictures, Eric. Um,

Bill Grundler (09:09):

Yeah, because I think, check this out. So check this out. So you look at Laura Horvath mm-hmm. <affirmative> second, her, her rookie year. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then she’s not in the game nearly as much as she wanted to be, or was expected to be, kind of is in there out of there, gets the handstand pushup, and then all of a sudden just gets slapped by that handstand pushup every single time it comes out. You know, Dubai, she’s out there just sitting on the, sitting down cuz she can’t do anymore. Uh, rogue, it affected her there too, uh, in the, at the first rogue, uh, competition. So, I mean, you saw a lot of those types of things, but what I, what was interesting with, with Laura is she didn’t seem, at least from outside looking in, very obviously, didn’t seem to affect her as much. She seemed to take it in stride. She seemed to be like, well, okay, it didn’t work, but that’s fine. You know, I’ll just get better for the next one. And then, you know, she’s, but she

Sevan Matossian (10:01):

Didn’t. Right? She didn’t. Well,

Bill Grundler (10:02):

She didn’t, but that did. But she didn’t stop either. Right? Right, right. But you can’t not, you can never take her out. That’s the thing, like with her Sarah, it’s like, okay, is she gonna be good or bad? Who knows what’s gonna happen, mal? It’s like, we never thought there was gonna be an issue, but now all of a sudden, okay, now there’s that possibility. Laura, no one ever took Laura out of the picture. No one ever like discounted her, even though it was like handstands, handstands, handstand, handstands. She’s still there. And depending, I mean, if they don’t have handstands,


I mean, even with, you know, with Tia out, mal still in, there’s still, okay, well who’s the one that’s gonna win Mal or Laura? You know, there’s still, there was still that discussion. So it’s really interesting watching, I think a lot of the, the, um, the mental grit on, on some of these different athletes and what they do, what they do to try to stay in the game. Because that is, um, that is a very, I think that’s, honestly, I think that’s kind of the, the last frontier for athletes. All the athletes are physically badass. I mean, unless, well, particular, unless there’s a particular skill that they, that they have an issue with. Like one particular skill. But dude,

Sevan Matossian (11:09):

That must be crazy for Laura to walk out on the floor knowing, oh fuck, I can’t do this. That must be crazy.

Bill Grundler (11:17):

But do you see? But what I, what’s crazy is when you watch, it’s like, do you see it in her face?

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

No. Mm-hmm.

Bill Grundler (11:21):

No. Do you see it on her? But I

Sevan Matossian (11:23):

Did see it in Haley’s face when she couldn’t lift the weights that year.

Bill Grundler (11:26):

A hundred percent. Well, that, that’s what I mean, that’s, that’s like that difference that, that I’m talking about. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Okay. You know, and, and why, you know, why, why she has that. I’m not really sure. Maybe, maybe it was her competitive, uh, rock climbing stuff in the past. Who knows.

Sevan Matossian (11:39):

Se and AI savvy

Bill Grundler (11:41):

<laugh>. My, I’m the, I’m the much less gray, much taller, much stronger.

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

Said what? All, all of that is true. Um, uh, what about, um, what, let, let’s, this wasn’t gonna be the, uh, point of the show, um, but, uh, what about Laura? Is is, will she, will she go down in history as just never having handstand pushups? Or is there still a chance that well, we could see her fix that? Or is it That’s it, that’s what we have. We have a car with, it’s always, it’s, it’s like a great quarterback that throws a lot of interceptions or something. You know, it’s like, that’s just the way it is.

Bill Grundler (12:19):

Um, the, the hard part is that I, you know, she’s working on it. She says, dude, this video’s amazing. We’ve seen her doing all kinds of crazy stuff. Yeah. Um, the hard part is, is that as she’s getting better, they keep ramping up the skill. That’s the hard part. Like, she’s not able

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

To catch up almost.

Bill Grundler (12:37):

Yeah. So it’s like right when she gets, okay, she’ll get decent at deficit handstand pushups, and then all of a sudden it’s like, okay, well now it’s wall facing deficit handstand pushups. Mm-hmm. And then it’s par deficit handstand pushups against, you know, wall facing, I mean whatever. It’s like that’s, it’s tough. And what’s weird is she doesn’t, she’s not bad at handstand pushups until it gets past the floor. Like her regular handstand pushups, she’s not bad at, no, she’s not like the best, but she’s not bad. Like no one would be like, uhoh, she’s out. It’s a second. It goes to deficit where she has, you know, those issues. Um,

Sevan Matossian (13:09):

Hey, go back. Go back to that. Go back to that work. Uh, that vi that post. Did anyone like my, um, comment? I wanna see if anyone like, no. Nope.

Bill Grundler (13:17):

<laugh>. Oh, congratulations. Nice job. Nice job. Nice job. Golf clap. I,

Sevan Matossian (13:25):

I, every time I comment there, I just, I just pray she sees it. We got a, we got a weird relationship. <laugh>. We have a weird relationship cuz I want to have one and she doesn’t. Uh, Eaton Beaver. $2. Thank you.

Bill Grundler (13:36):

Nice to,

Sevan Matossian (13:37):

Uh, no, uh, Mitchell up please. Yeah, you can put pipe down. Uh, Hey, Suza, chime in buddy. Don’t let these guys blow you. Shut it. Mitchell. Shut up. How was it?

Bill Grundler (13:44):

I didn’t have my notes for the show. I didn’t even know where to show, I didn’t know we were doing the show either. Hey, let’s go test it. Okay, cool. Bill, I got a big question for you right now. I’m like, fuck.

Sevan Matossian (13:53):

Hey. But, but, um, but there is, there is that piece, right? There’s if, if you ask Jeffrey Bezos right now, um, Hey Jeffrey. Um, now we’re talking, I’m sorry. I said,

Bill Grundler (14:05):

Now we’re

Sevan Matossian (14:05):

Talking Yeah. If I ask Jeffrey Bezos thank you, please don’t talk again, Susan. Oh, okay. Byebye, uh, Jeffrey Bezos, if, um, uh, oh, I should do this. Sorry. Sorry.

Sevan Matossian (14:15):

Oh, Jeffrey, this is God speaking. I’m you, Jeffrey, an additional 70 years of life, but you have to Amazon to,

Sevan Matossian (14:42):

Uh, absolutely. God, I’ll take it. <laugh>

Bill Grundler (14:46):

Was that God or was that Satan? He was getting that too.

Sevan Matossian (14:48):

Uh, that that’s a done deal. That’s a, that’s a And so what I’m, what I’m expressing here is, is that, um, mall O’Brien has just, it, it’s just, it’s it’s perspective.

Bill Grundler (14:56):

Hundred percent all of each. Each athlete has that though. See, I, and I think that’s, I think, but

Sevan Matossian (15:01):

Sarah’s willing to go to Waap Pza and not win and drag all. She has so much fucking attention. Right. She’s ready to put it all in the line, expose herself, cry on the field to one year, then come back the next year and, and, and with a smile on her face. Because to her, she has the perspective of like, dude, I’ve been out of the game because my body stopped working. Right. That, that’s what I’m saying. And, and it’s fascinating to see both of these at this high level.

Bill Grundler (15:30):

None of the athletes, uh, from her timeframe felt the need that like, Hey, I can’t not compete. I have to compete. I gotta get in there and compete. I gotta get, I gotta compete so that I can get money till I can go here. Mouse’s in the new group where it’s like, she didn’t come up with that. So it’s real easy to be like, once you get in, Hey, you know what? You got Matt Fraser telling you, Hey, you don’t need to do this competition. Oh, okay, cool. I don’t have too sweet everyone else. I mean all, all the older and I, I, you know, you gotta air quote Sarah Sigmans auto being an older athlete, but like all of the ones that have been there for a handful of years, they were of the camp of, all right, what’s the next event that I gotta go to, to be on there?


And maybe for her it was even a, I need to make sure mentally I can do this. So I have to get back out there. I was afraid before, uh, I didn’t know if I could do it. I didn’t know if I was gonna be strong enough, tough enough, whatever. I need to hop back down there and prove it to myself that I can do it. I mean, I’ve seen her in Dubai not lift as heavy as she needed to, to win an event, but to tie an event. And then you see her in Waap Polooza when she doesn’t need to lift as heavy and she over lifts what she needs to do and then hurts her knee. So that’s like a really weird balance I think that she’s trying to figure out. And I think for each of the, each of the individual athletes, you can’t just put a, um, this is the pattern.


You’re a good athlete. So this is the, the formula, this is the pattern. Every single one of those athletes are coming into it with their own, you know, wins and losses, their own fears and successes, their own, their, their point of view, their perspective of whatever it is that they’re looking at to try to make it work for them. So I I I think it’s, it’s not just an easy, do they have the head, the headspace or not. I think there’s a lot of other variables that go into it, but that Headspace is gonna be way different between someone like Sarah, I think, and someone like Mal.

Sevan Matossian (17:20):

Do you think that someone, do you think that the people in MAL support tried everything? Like, okay, uh, we’ll get you a therapist, uh, we’ll get you a C N I dog. Um, we’ll, we’ll, um, uh, we’ll give you a two week break. And, and, and do you think that someone also may came up to her? Like, like do you think maybe her dad or, or, or maybe someone who’s expendables like, yo, are you fucking kidding me? Sack it up, motherfucker go out there and win this shit. You’re gonna look back and next year and regret this shit. You think that they, not that any one of them if that ever worked <laugh>, not that any of them, one of them is Right? Well,

Bill Grundler (17:54):

It does work for some people.

Sevan Matossian (17:55):

I, I think that I, I

Bill Grundler (17:56):

Think there’s, there are some people that,

Sevan Matossian (17:57):

That wanted to pull out after four years as Champ. Can’t blame ’em. And I think Matt O’Keefe gave him the talk, like, listen, numb nuts, just fucking go out there and put it to Rich. And, and, and I think he did. No, Susan, tell me No, I,

Mattew Souza (18:08):

No, I just don’t think anybody gives Matt the talk. I think Matt talks.

Sevan Matossian (18:12):

Oh, okay. And,

Mattew Souza (18:14):

And, um, I think the formula or the headspace or the mentality that works for Matt is not gonna work for everybody.

Bill Grundler (18:20):

Okay. Oh, so look at

Mattew Souza (18:22):

That. By the pressure of her looking up to him and feeling almost like, you’ve given me all this opportunity, given me all this, I can’t let you down build in the same way resentment would build. And when we stop communicating about issues that I’m having with you mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So if that pressure is mounting the whole time in Matt’s feedback from her is, Hey, this is working. We’re, we’re American, these markers, you’re a champ, you’re awesome. And meanwhile, the whole time she’s like, I can’t deal with this pressure. At some point that just feels too much. And then she breaks.

Sevan Matossian (18:50):

Look at, I don’t blame any of that. I don’t blame any of that on Matt either, by the way. Either. Do I, I think you have to have that if you’re gonna be a

Mattew Souza (18:55):

Champ. I’m not blamed on Matt obsessed.

Bill Grundler (18:57):

Look where Matt came from. Yeah. He, I mean, hi. His parents were Olympic. Olympic, uh, figure skaters. So he grew up in talk about a fucking,

Sevan Matossian (19:07):

A hard sport that’s big in

Bill Grundler (19:09):

An Olympic level. Like that’s the mindset all the time. So from a young age, he has

Sevan Matossian (19:13):

Pressure eating disorders, no money,

Bill Grundler (19:15):


Sevan Matossian (19:16):

You’re fucking coaches. He’s screaming at you and abusing you. Yet it’s fucking

Bill Grundler (19:19):


Sevan Matossian (19:20):


Bill Grundler (19:21):

In that world, that world is, there is no no. Suck it up, pussy. What do you mean? You’re like, you’re tied. I don’t care. Get out. I mean, that’s, so you start with that. And I’m not saying his parents did that to him, but like, that’s, that’s the old school way of, he started

Sevan Matossian (19:36):

That bill. He started to allude to the fact that his dad put a lot of pressure on him. Hey, his weightlifting coach, I’ve only heard it recently.

Bill Grundler (19:42):

And then weightlifting is the same thing. Same thing. He was at the Olympic Training Center. Same deal. So when that is your mold mm-hmm. <affirmative> like, and this is, and this is one of the things, like, and this is no, this isn’t a cut on Matt at all. I mean, Matt, I mean, not at all. God watching that guy do what he could do as an athlete was amazing. Um, but as a coach, like he kind of came from one mold. So now you have a young athlete and that’s not, like, that mindset is not the same. It is, uh, as it was then the way, the way the, the athletes are now, they, they don’t, I don’t think that they respond the same way. And that’s not a good or a bad. I think it’s just different. Whatever.

Sevan Matossian (20:19):

Oh, it’s bad. I’ll tell you, it’s bad. Okay.

Bill Grundler (20:21):

I, I, I don’t, it’s not my, it’s not my frame, but, um, I think that Bill,

Sevan Matossian (20:27):

You grew up with wrestling. You grew up with wrestling. You know what makes tough guys? I do. You don’t know what Nate Tate makes tough motherfuckers. People need to do get slapped around. So if you don’t get slapped around,

Bill Grundler (20:36):

You’re never

Sevan Matossian (20:36):

Gonna be tough. Right. Period.

Bill Grundler (20:38):

Oh yeah. You gotta get, there’s

Sevan Matossian (20:38):

Another road to being getting tough. I don’t think so. I think it’s a narrow fucking road.

Mattew Souza (20:42):

I think there’s multiple ways to slap somebody around though, to use your terms. Okay. I think the, the delivery matters. I think the message could be the same, but the delivery

Bill Grundler (20:50):

Matters a hundred percent. Now, when you only come from one mold your entire life, how do you have, like, a good teacher knows how to teach all these kids? It’s the way that they learn, not the way that they learn. Each of the kids learn not the way that they, the teacher learns individually. So maybe, I mean, maybe, I mean I sure, I’m sure that everyone in in mal camp tried all of the things.

Sevan Matossian (21:13):

Okay. That was,

Bill Grundler (21:13):

If they didn’t, if they didn’t, I would feel I would be upset with that camp. Like it’s, if that’s the case, then it’s time for her to get out.

Sevan Matossian (21:20):

Even if it means losing her. You gotta try everything. You gotta put, you gotta put the effort to. Okay. And especially if you believe it, cuz because, okay, let me ask you this. Do you think anyone in, in, in Sarah’s camp, Sarah has this story that she needs to compete in order to sharpen her sword in, in the Sarah way? Do you think anyone in Sarah’s camp last year at Waap, ALZA told her not to compete? Do you think she also has people being like, yo, you’re not ready. You’re fucking not ready. And then she went out there and remember she pulled, not, not this last year, but the year before and she pulled out right. With a potential injury.

Bill Grundler (21:51):

Yeah. Yeah. Um,

Sevan Matossian (21:55):

Excuse me.

Bill Grundler (21:56):

Uh, I think it takes time for a coach or a camp to really learn their athlete. And one year is a tough timeframe to really learn that athlete be, because like, you might see the, the basic, okay, they’re really good at this, they’re really good at that. This is how they warm, this is how they cool down kind of a thing. But like, where do they really, like, you have to be able to get deep within that, that athlete to really understand them. So I hope that they said, Hey, this, when you go to Waap Alza, it’s only for fun. Like, you don’t go unless you really need waap. Paoo like to, to put it all out and risk. Um, like what’s your risk ratio on that? Like, are you gaining a lot by risking a lot? Oh,

Sevan Matossian (22:39):

That’s a good, so yes, someone’s smart enough to pose you that what’s the risk to reward?

Bill Grundler (22:42):

Yeah. Like what are we getting here? Like, you know, and that weight that she was lifting, that was a pretty heavy weight. You know, it’s like, did she need to go that heavy? Even, even for the crowd that she was with, it’s not like she was running, you know, for like first place or anything like that at the time. So why take the shot? You know? Maybe it’ll be like, hey, okay, we’ll go 85% and I don’t want you going like the coach. I don’t want you going any higher than that. Yeah, I know, but I wanna do. I don’t think you should. No, I mean, you gotta protect your athlete. You gotta protect your product, you know,

Mattew Souza (23:14):

From themselves. Because if you don’t know your athlete and you know that they can’t go 85%, they could get out the competition floor and something changes in their head and they go and

Bill Grundler (23:21):

There and there are, and that’s, that’s knowing that athlete, you, if there are athletes that don’t give a shit what the, what the stakes are, they’re out on, they’re out there on the floor. It’s, it’s, it’s old school CrossFit. It’s like, I’m gonna, we’re we’re just, what are we doing today? We’re just training. I’m at a fucking break, an arm trying to beat you. I don’t care. You know. So,

Sevan Matossian (23:39):

Uh, Thomas Fish, uh, Sarah doesn’t have a camp. Uh, then, uh, you can substitute the word, uh, circle of support, um, you know, trainers, uh, snowy, um, her boyfriend, whoever. Just circle support, I guess. Yeah. Um, uh, I, I I knew what you meant. Um, do you have any piercings, bill?

Bill Grundler (23:59):


Sevan Matossian (23:59):

Have you ever had any piercings?

Bill Grundler (24:01):


Sevan Matossian (24:02):

I like how he leaned in for that one. Uh, like he was like on the stand, your Honor. I did not see, um, I did not see, saw go down. Uh, I did not watch. Uh, and, and, and what do you think about, um, it, it appears I have not confirmed that Danielle, Brandon has nipple piercing from, from her mo uh, from some pictures I saw on her, uh, account. Did you find those, uh, this is a little off topic here, but do you find those, uh, attractive at all? Or do, what do you think about people who puncture holes in their nipples?

Bill Grundler (24:34):

I don’t have a problem with people doing whatever they wanna do. See, that was

Mattew Souza (24:36):

The delivery right there. You kind of skewed the delivery.

Bill Grundler (24:39):

You did. You did.

Sevan Matossian (24:40):

I fucked it up.

Mattew Souza (24:42):

Yeah. Maybe like an accessorizing feature.

Sevan Matossian (24:45):

Oh, thank you. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Take two. <laugh>. Uh oh. Maybe here. Here. Oh, blue

Bill Grundler (24:50):

<laugh>. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (24:51):

Uh, uh, I was just accessorizing my voice. Bill, what do you think about? Uh, let me, I love that orange shirt. God dang. She is something special. I can’t believe she’s gonna come on the show today. She punctured a hole in her, in, in both her nipples. It appears,

Bill Grundler (25:09):

I think it’s a little aggressive to say that she punctured a

Sevan Matossian (25:12):

Hole in her <laugh>.

Bill Grundler (25:15):

Not like she has like gauges in her. Like, you know, people get the gauges in their ears. Like she has that in nipples necessarily.

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

Have you ever had a girlfriend with uh, um, uh, uh, pierce nipples?

Bill Grundler (25:25):

Uh, no, I haven’t.

Sevan Matossian (25:28):

Maybe you and I are too old for that. Maybe. Maybe, maybe she will show you

Bill Grundler (25:33):


Sevan Matossian (25:35):

I love, I love what Danielle’s done with. Thank you Barry. I I love what Danielle’s done with their nipples. I’m a, it’s ab absolutely stunning. I it’s breathtaking and I am anxious. You could

Bill Grundler (25:45):

You like, could you like seeing six nipples instead of just two <laugh>?

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

I’m anxious to critique the, uh, <laugh> the work. I wonder if when they do that, if like, when the bars are sitting in there, if they’re, if they’re, um, if there’s like a straight line between ’em, you know what I mean? If they’re, if they’re leveled to the ground, if they’re parallel to the ground only,

Bill Grundler (26:03):

Only for the magnetic ones.

Sevan Matossian (26:05):

What if the one was tweaked like this and one was like this and you had O C D, would you be like, oh fuck.

Mattew Souza (26:10):

They do it with a label? Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

Bill Grundler (26:12):

A laser ca a laser thing. A laser laser

Mattew Souza (26:14):

Level. They just get the laser level and they shoot it across and then they got the markers. It’s all good.

Sevan Matossian (26:20):

I, um, uh, I, I, I wonder, I wonder if there’s a, can you think of any sponsorship deal she could get that would be May maybe there’s on Amazon, there’s a home piercing kit that could’ve sponsored her.

Bill Grundler (26:33):

I don’t think that there would be any enough like a company big enough to, to think about that. Would there be companies that would do it? Yeah. But like, would it be worth her while to do it? Probably not. Hey, you know what’ll sponsor you with another piercing? Okay.

Sevan Matossian (26:46):

Yeah. Yeah.

Bill Grundler (26:48):


Sevan Matossian (26:48):

Don’t know. Oh yeah, I see what you’re saying. Uh, uh, yeah. Where there’s only so many holes you can put in you seon Oh, sorry. Se a nipple ring talk while fun to kick around is what keeps you at 21,000. So scar, listen, you jerk off. I’m growing at a perfect speed. I am not. I you act like, uh, there’s a connotation like that. There’s some, I’ve, I’m growing at an absolutely perfect speed. This is our biggest month ever, uh, by many by, uh, uh, subscribers, uh, hours watched, uh, views. We’re, we’re on pace. And, um, uh, if, if it’s good enough for Daniel Brandon, it’s good enough for me. Listen, so Oh, nipple spacers.

Bill Grundler (27:25):

I mean, I mean, yeah. Right. Wouldn’t that be a, wouldn’t that be a, a barrier? My cocker right? Between the nipples? Isn’t that what it would be? <laugh>. <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (27:38):

Uh, okay. It seems like the system is working. No, we need someone to call in. Oh, okay. Uh, can someone please

Bill Grundler (27:45):

Call in?

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

Um, how excited in, in all honesty, don’t gimme any fucking bullshit Samurai answer here. How excited are the girls that fucking mall and Tia is gone?

Bill Grundler (27:57):

Says the guy with the samurai hairdo Right

Sevan Matossian (28:01):

Top left. How fucking excited? Get your shirts Vn dk Purchase your CEO shirt now. Travis. Hi.

Travis (28:14):

There we go. I just had to get my read in.

Sevan Matossian (28:16):

Wow. Perfect. This is incredible. My shit’s working now. <laugh>.

Travis (28:21):

I said make sure everything was working

Sevan Matossian (28:23):


Travis (28:24):

Nobody else has the balls to call in.

Sevan Matossian (28:26):

Is the, uh, how’s the video videos? Good? Video call is good.

Travis (28:31):

Uh, yours since it’s smaller, it was hard to tell. But yours still grainy.

Sevan Matossian (28:35):

Oh, I am grainy. How about for sure. How about now?

Travis (28:39):

I’m not at my computer. All right. I’m actually going on a walk right now.

Sevan Matossian (28:43):

Alright. Right. What do you mean get em? Bill. Bill? Was Bill’s being chill?

Bill Grundler (28:47):

I’m pretty

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

Chill. Bill doesn’t beating anyone up. Okay, cool. Thank you Mr. Travis.

Travis (28:51):

I didn’t have any, I didn’t have any, uh, no audio issues when I was

Sevan Matossian (28:54):

Listening. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Kenneth De Lab video’s better. All right. Thank you. There you

Travis (28:58):

Go. All

Sevan Matossian (28:59):

Right. Cool. Bye.

Travis (29:00):

See you later.

Sevan Matossian (29:01):

I had, uh, I had serious issues with the, uh, show. I had Dave in studio and then this morning I tr was gonna do a show with Sarah Sigmund’s daughter and everything fucking came to a crash.

Bill Grundler (29:11):


Sevan Matossian (29:12):

So, um,

Bill Grundler (29:13):

I gotta go back and watch Ears and Dave’s.

Sevan Matossian (29:15):

Um, so here. Oh yeah, that would be good. You don’t even have to watch it. Just hit play and leave the room and let me get the view.

Bill Grundler (29:21):

<laugh>. I wanna, I wanna watch it though, dude. I like the, I like the Glassman one. I thought that was a good one too.

Sevan Matossian (29:28):

Thank you. Oh, I just, um, uh, I hooked up with a headset, a new headset, and Mike, so hopefully the audio will be better cuz people were complaining about the audio and he actually said he’d call in this morning and I waved him off cuz Sarah was gonna be on. And then Sarah didn’t come in. Sarah waved me. Everyone was waving everyone off this morning. A lot of waving. A lot of waving <laugh>. Okay. Um, so, uh, it looks like the schedule’s out for this weekend. Uh, the northwest, no, north America West, uh, semi-final. And it looks like we’ll be going on. Um, or what’s your availability this weekend?

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