Are you back at Mayhem?
Sam Cournoyer (00:02):
No, I’m at my home right now.
Sevan Matossian (00:05):
Oh, I see the piece of plywood. You got a gym there, SAMO?
Sam Cournoyer (00:08):
Yeah, it’s my home gym. Look.
Sevan Matossian (00:11):
Oh my God. Wow.
Sam Cournoyer (00:15):
This is where I train every day.
Sevan Matossian (00:18):
Wow. Hey, so when you’re not there, that thing just sits empty.
Sam Cournoyer (00:24):
I mean, my wife workouts every day at lunch, and I got a couple of friends who come at nights. So mostly of the time in the day, it’s empty if I’m not there. But there’s some people at night come here and train.
Sevan Matossian (00:39):
What a beautiful place. Did you build that yourself, SAMO?
Sam Cournoyer (00:42):
Yeah, I did that with my dad two years ago, actually.
Sevan Matossian (00:46):
Crazy. Do you own your house?
Sam Cournoyer (00:49):
Yep.
Sevan Matossian (00:50):
Oh, that’s nice. Wow.
Sam Cournoyer (00:53):
No, yeah, it’s pretty cool. I’m happy with it.
Sevan Matossian (00:56):
How old are your kids?
Sam Cournoyer (00:59):
Liam is the six and a half now. And then Mila, my daughter is a two and a half.
Sevan Matossian (01:05):
Oh man. They’re stoked. So they basically are growing up in that gym.
Sam Cournoyer (01:10):
Yeah. Oh yeah. They’re having a blast in here. They love the hands and walk ramp. That’s kind of like their thing, just going on it with the bike and jumping on it and running on it and all that
Sevan Matossian (01:22):
Stuff. Hey, did you already get at it this morning?
Sam Cournoyer (01:26):
Yeah, I did the early session this morning. I usually train early on Tuesday and Thursdays because we got baseball tonight with lamb, so it’s just easier for me to just train a little earlier on Tuesday morning and get it done by the end of the day so I can go to baseball with him and stuff like that.
Sevan Matossian (01:46):
Hey, I was thinking somewhat when I’d be in the third grade and I would be in a class and my best friend would transfer out or I would transfer out, or even on the days, if they didn’t leave altogether, there’d be days I’d get to school and my best friend was sick, he wouldn’t be there, and that followed me all the way through life, even when all the jobs I had, I never looked forward to my job or the activity. I always looked forward to the people I would see there. Even in college or even when I worked at CrossFit, I had my friends there that I would go into work and oh, those are my friends, and I saw it as a place to see my friends. Are you done with mayhem in that way? Was that a hard, I mean, you’re in Montreal more. I’ve watched three interviews with you now, and it sounds like you’re at home way more. Are you missing your friends?
Sam Cournoyer (02:38):
Yeah, no, I mean, I do miss them for sure. It is just if I go back in time and the last couple of years, the kids was actually younger, so it was actually a little easier for me to travel and go there back and forth, be there full time when I was in team with Rich in 2022. But now that Liam is six and a half now, I mean, you know that you have kids and when I’m telling him, Hey, I’m taking the plane a couple of days and all that stuff, he doesn’t like it anymore. He understand the whole thing. So it’s just a decision that I make this year that at the stage I had right now in my career, the age I have, I’m a dad of two. He’s older, and I was grateful. I’m really grateful all the time that I had to just enjoy life and training and all that stuff, but now I feel like I got more important responsibility of these as a dad. So for me, just being here more often in the year and stuff like that, it’s me trying to be more present for him and still do CrossFit full time. So that’s why I haven’t been at Mayhem lately this season. Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (03:51):
And I guess now that you mention it like that, there’s no one I’d rather spend time with than my kids. Exactly. They kind of transcended my friends. Yeah, yeah,
Sam Cournoyer (04:00):
Exactly. It sucks. There’s a side that for me, it sucks because I made a lot of friendship and friends there at Mayhem, and I miss my people. I Ms. Tyler, I Ms. Rich. I miss Luke. I wish I could be there with them and train and hang out sometimes, but my life is here and my family’s here. I got friends here too. So yeah, I’m trying to focus more to be present here full time, but I’m still in contact with them and we’re still FaceTiming and stuff like that. I know that Tyler and Bailey are planning maybe to come at the end of the year to my house or for a week and just hang out. So that’ll be fun. So yeah,
Sevan Matossian (04:42):
At the end of the year, won’t it be cold? It’ll be freezing up there at that point, won’t it?
Sam Cournoyer (04:46):
Yeah. I mean, I’ll try to bring them here before the winter, so maybe something around, I don’t know, October or something, so we’ll see. But no, I’m not going to bring them here when it’s three feet of snow and fricking cold.
Sevan Matossian (05:00):
Cory Leonard, Sewell corn, YA.
Sam Cournoyer (05:04):
Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (05:05):
It’s pretty good. That’s not how you spell it though, right?
Sam Cournoyer (05:07):
No, it’s not how you put it, but it’s pretty good. But I think the best way, I don’t remember if I told you that before, but I think the best way will be to say core, your core. When you say people, no and yell. Yay. So just put little three words back to back and you’ll be fine.
Sevan Matossian (05:26):
Awesome. Hey, was moving to Mayhem an option? Just take the whole family down there. How long did you train there? Six years
Sam Cournoyer (05:39):
Almost. I mean, not six years, almost five. I mean, we did think about it, but my parents are here, my wife’s parents are here, grandma grandpa are still alive. We have a lot of family here. So I felt like if us moving full-time in Cookville would’ve been kind of selfish, just separate the kids from the family and stuff. So at the time it was just more easier for me to just say, go do your thing. Go train full-time, do your stuff, and we’ll have a life later with everyone. So it was just easier for me to travel back and forth.
Sevan Matossian (06:16):
Hey, is there a cultural difference? Are you in a small town outside of Montreal or are you in a similar rural area like Nashville, or sorry, Cookville.
Sam Cournoyer (06:32):
It doesn’t look like, but it feels kind of the same. I’m living 40 to 45 minutes up north from downtown Montreal, so it’s called a little city called Saint J Rome. Here. It’s a small town. People almost know everyone’s kind of like, so it does feel a little the same. Yeah.
Sevan Matossian (06:54):
Are the cultures significantly different? Is there some culture shock?
Sam Cournoyer (06:59):
I dunno. I don’t think so. I don’t feel so, but at the same time, I don’t go out out. I just feel like people in Coville have more respect for each other. If someone by the road have a flat tire or something, I feel like people in Ville will stop and ask around and give the help if need. But I feel like here in Quebec, people are maybe a little more selfish. So if you have a flat tire by the road, even if you try to do something, stop someone, you might not have a good shot, but yeah.
Sevan Matossian (07:43):
Has anyone noticed that you’ve changed from hanging out with those guys with the country folk, and then you come home and your wife or your parents or anyone’s like, wow, you’re changing?
Sam Cournoyer (07:52):
Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, I think my wife, my parents can tell this Sam back in 2020 and to the Sams now, I’m for sure different. I learned a lot from people there in Cookville, especially relationship to Gods and stuff like that. And that was new for me, but I really liked it and I still learn about it. So it’s cool. I did change. Yeah, I did change.
Sevan Matossian (08:16):
Hey, does that freak them out? Do you have any people in your family who are against religion or don’t understand religion, or did it freak them out that you got closer? No,
Sam Cournoyer (08:26):
No. I mean, my grandpa who passed away last year, he was a believer of God. So it’s just like things are different around here. Back in the days they were teaching it the Bible stuff and everything, but with the modern time now, it just kind of went away. So people still know about it, but it’s not as much as important. Let’s say people in Cookville and stuff like that. So people still know who God is and Jesus is, but it’s not like there’s no church on Sunday here. It’s like that time is gone,
Sevan Matossian (09:03):
But your family doesn’t freak out at all. I remember my sister’s over 20 years sober, and she went to AA and she became a Christian, and I remember the first 10 years I was like, oh shit, what happened to my sister? Almost like I was opposed to it.
Sam Cournoyer (09:21):
Yeah, no, I mean, we don’t talk about it, but they know that I’ve been studying a little bit what the Bible is and stuff like that. If they ask me questions, they love when I talk about it. And like I said, my grandpa was a God believer too, so they’re not against it. I’m not going to be the guy who force it to them, and I don’t want them to be like, Hey, you don’t need to do that, or stuff like that. I feel like we have all our life, and if I want to believe in God, it’s my choice. If they don’t want, it’s their choice.
Sevan Matossian (10:00):
Hey, when you went team, obviously, I’m guessing you trained a lot with Rich.
Sam Cournoyer (10:07):
Yeah, I mean all the time.
Sevan Matossian (10:08):
Okay. And then all of a sudden, then you go back to individual and he retires. Was that weird too? Was that shitty too? Was it like, oh, my friend’s not around to train with, or did Luke automatically just fill in the void?
Sam Cournoyer (10:24):
No, I mean, it was hard. It was hard, actually. It’s growing up. I played team sports all my life. I played hockey all my life, but outside of hockey, I did some boxing for training with my dad, but I played basketball, I played flag football, I played baseball with friends for fun. So I always been a team. So when I went back to team with Rich and the girls, for me it was kind of like, I mean, it’s going to sound weird, but falling in love with sports back in the days when I was a kid. So when R retired came back home and started training alone by myself again, stuff like that, I was kind of like, oh, shit, I did not miss that. And going back to Mayhem, I mean, yes, I was trained with Luke and Tyler and stuff, but it was definitely rich.
(11:12):
I knew with Rich, I just had to get the barn at eight 30 in the morning. He’s got everything figured out, just talk and hang out with him, train all the time. Everything was smooth and easy. So training was hard, but the whole process was actually smooth and easy. So I do miss that. I do miss that. Even here right now, I train, I would say 50% of the time by myself and other 50%. I got some friends coming with me, but I’m grateful to have those friends, but they’re not fit enough to keep up with me or push me. So it’s still, I’m not alone, but it’s all me by myself pushing as hard as I can. So I like it, but I’m not going to lie that I do miss training with teams.
Sevan Matossian (11:57):
Hey, hey. I watched the interview you did with Scott Schweitzer on the Clydesdale Media, and you actually just flat out said you enjoyed team. What did you say? Basically you enjoyed team more, but I forget what the exact words are, but you’re doing individual because I guess there’s some goals you want to reach there. Why not just do team?
Sam Cournoyer (12:20):
I mean, that’s the plan in the future, that’s for sure. I’m definitely going to go back to team when I don’t know if I have a good opportunity next year, let’s say I have to have a really, really great team. I’ll go back team. I’m not set myself to be individual for the rest of my career until I’m done with that and just move team. If a team approached me next year, I’m like, Hey, you know what? If I go with that team, I can maybe win another title. I’ll go, I don’t care. I want to be an individual too, just because there’s accomplishment. I set myself to when I started that journey years ago that I feel I didn’t feel out yet. So I just want to be able to maybe go out there and perform the way I can, and I mean the way I know I can and enjoy it actually. So Andrew’s goal is just like there’s something that you’re doing it for yourself, and when you’re a team, there’s always a side of viewers doing it for your teammate. So it’s a different game. I love both, but yeah, if you have to, let’s say I have a choice to be a full-time team athlete for the rest of my life, and Joel, I will pick team, that’s for sure.
Sevan Matossian (13:39):
So you have that, you win, and it’s you and Taylor and Andrea and Rich.
Sam Cournoyer (13:46):
Yep.
Sevan Matossian (13:46):
Why not? And then Rich retired. Did you ever try to talk Rich into staying?
Sam Cournoyer (13:52):
Nah.
Sevan Matossian (13:53):
No.
Sam Cournoyer (13:54):
I mean, I never tried, but I mean, I just knew being there to hold the last season. I knew that it was his last time, not because he’s just tired of it. He’s been in the game for so long now that I’m going for my six CrossFit games right now, and I’m wondering how guys, big Ki G, coach Stagers and guys that are doing it for 10, 11 years now, it’s a long process. It’s a lot of pressure. And I feel like Rich was at the point where he did so much for the sports and for him and his family that you actually want to enjoy all the sacrifice now he’s doing right now with the kids and family and just enjoying time in life. So he deserved it, and I never even came to my mind to try to like, Hey, let’s do it one more time.
Sevan Matossian (14:45):
So did you and Andrea and Taylor ever get together and be like, okay, rich is leaving, let’s call Scott, or you know what I mean? Let’s find another really well-rounded athlete and just do this again.
Sam Cournoyer (15:01):
The girls were supposed to retired. I feel like Taylor did get out of CrossFit, but now Andrew is going back to games as a master, I think if
Sevan Matossian (15:11):
I’m right. And she looks incredible, right? I mean, she looks unstoppable.
Sam Cournoyer (15:14):
Oh yeah, she’s fit. She’s still super fit. And it’s funny because I think a couple months ago, maybe two months ago, I talked with both of them and Hey, if I’m going back to him, would you be interested to cut back from your retirement? And Taylor did not say yes, but she did not say no. She was like, I have to think about it. So we’ll see. It’s far away. But if the girls, for some reason, both of the girls would love to go back to him, I’ll be down to go back with them and find a guy who can keep up with us and try to win another title, that’s for sure.
Sevan Matossian (15:50):
Or I don’t know how long Ricky’s going to go individual, but Ricky could fit in nicely there. Mr. Gerard?
Sam Cournoyer (15:56):
Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Ricky Fit. Oh yeah, Ricky’s good right now. I mean, we all know that
Sevan Matossian (16:04):
When they picked you, Samwell you, when that team comes together, is it really casual? How does that happen? Are you just sitting? How does that team come together? You’re just doing curls one day in the mirror next to Rich and he goes, Hey dude, do you want to do a team? And you’re like, yeah. He’s like, alright, I’ll call Andrea and Taylor. Let’s do it. Is it super casual or is it
Sam Cournoyer (16:26):
It’s almost like that. I remember the first time we talked about, it was in 2021 games prep. So I was going in digital. They were going team with Chase that year, and I can’t remember exactly what the conversation was, but I just remember him saying in the car that, yeah, we’ll have to find another guy for next year. I think Chase is not coming back or something like that. I can’t exactly remember. So when I heard that I wasn’t back in the car, I was like, Hey, if you really looking for a guy next year, let me know. I’ll be down. So he just turned around and you’re serious, you quit in? I’m like, yeah, I mean, for a year, why not? So I think after that back end of September or October, he called me. He was like, Hey, what’d you said to the car? You want to go team next year? I’m like, all right, let’s do it. For sure. I’m down. So that’s kind of how it happened. That’s it.
Sevan Matossian (17:23):
Okay. I want you to be really honest.
Sam Cournoyer (17:25):
Yep.
Sevan Matossian (17:26):
I know you like team now that you’ve done it, but before, was any part of you like, fuck, I wish I wouldn’t have said that in the car?
Sam Cournoyer (17:35):
Oh, no, no, no, no. Going team was one of the best decisions I made in my life that year. I mean, let’s be honest.
Sevan Matossian (17:43):
I agree. It’s cool to win it. But how about at the time were you kind of bummed? Were you like, no, not at all.
Sam Cournoyer (17:51):
Maybe the only part of me was Bumed, but I didn’t know that until the games. But when I started the programming for the individual that year, I was like, oh shit, that would’ve been a great games for me. But outside of that, I mean, I don’t regret anything. I mean, I got the best experience possible going out there with the Goat Ridge Froning, the best thing that ever been put together. We crushed everyone, break records for seven or eight straight win workouts, win the title can really has for better than that. Even with a day I would go back team, I got to be okay with like, Hey, it’s not even going to be close to be the same way that it went last time. So no, I mean, I don’t regret it for sure. It was fun. We just had a blast.
Sevan Matossian (18:48):
Samwell. The first time I interviewed you, I could not believe how confident you were. You were just supremely confident. You seem just incredibly focused. Is that the same samwell you are today? I mean, you truly believe you could win the CrossFit games. Are you still the same guy?
Sam Cournoyer (19:05):
Yeah, I mean, I believe that I got everything physically. I can’t win the CrossFit games, that’s for sure. But now it’s just compared to a couple of years ago, I feel like the game is so tight right now, especially on the men’s side, I feel like to the men’s side, the top 10 guy could win the CrossFit games easily. It will depend on programming and luck and things that we can’t really control. So I mean, physically I can win the CrossFit games, but at the same time, if they put five workout of running in the CrossFit games, it would be hard for me to win.
Sevan Matossian (19:46):
Right. Hey, so you’re 5 10, 2 12. Yeah,
Sam Cournoyer (19:54):
2 12, 2 15 right now.
Sevan Matossian (19:58):
And generally speaking, a guy who was your size, who was competing at the highest level of CrossFit, the heaviest he would be would 200 pounds. So 12 to 15 pounds lighter than you. Is that true? Is that fair?
Sam Cournoyer (20:10):
I mean, I don’t know the average body weight on the man’s side, but I feel like right now me at around two 12 to 15, I’m one of the biggest dudes out there, that’s for sure with Roman and Faki and guys like that whole, but those guys have, they’re taller than me a little bit. So
Sevan Matossian (20:30):
Yeah, like Gray Shaver’s, probably three inches taller than you. He weighs two 15 and he looks huge.
Sam Cournoyer (20:37):
Yeah, no. So those guys have, I’m a big guy, but they’re taller than me. So everything machines, it got some compared to me where I’m five 10, but at the same time, I got strong shoulders. If there’s instant pushup workout, I’ll crush those guys. So it’s fair at the end. It’s a balance. But do
Sevan Matossian (21:03):
You ever consider losing weight? What would happen if you dropped 10 pounds? What if you got down to
Sam Cournoyer (21:07):
300? I tried, actually. I think I tried after 2021 games, kind of like my off season before going team. I did drop it to 2 10, 2 0 8. I mean, I was swimming and running away faster. Everything felt good, but the sandbag was feel like a hundred pound more. The barbell still was so much harder,
Sevan Matossian (21:31):
And
Sam Cournoyer (21:31):
My nervous system was just not liking it. I feel like naturally, if I just stop training, let’s say I stopped training for a year and I just move around and be careful with my food, I’ll still be two 15 or two 12. That’s kind of like my normal body weight.
Sevan Matossian (21:48):
Is your dad thick? Is your dad big dude? Yeah.
Sam Cournoyer (21:51):
Yeah. My dad is a big dude too. My dad is probably around 2 0 5, I’d say 2 0 5, 2 10, maybe 200 around that weight. So yeah, he’s a big dude too. We have exactly the same shape, so kind of like short arms, short legs, big core here. So yeah,
Sevan Matossian (22:13):
So there’s nothing revolutionary there. It’s some textbook shit. You can lose weight and you’ll get better at running or feel better at running in gymnastics, but you’ll lose strength
Sam Cournoyer (22:25):
At this point. Yeah, it’s that simple. So you got to make a decision about what would be the best case scenario to be, what would it be? Your best version of the game. So do you want to be actually lighter? And when that running workout, you might do better, but after that, when the lift comes in, you’ll get crushed. And that even if I, let’s say I’ll go the games at 2 0 5, 2 10, me being a better runner will not make me winning the workouts. If we look at Jeff er right now, Jeff is an crazy incredible runner. We don’t even understand how he’s running that fast right now as a CrossFitter. So even if I drop my way to be a better runner, I will not win the workout. So I feel like it’s just for me, we made a decision like, Hey, let’s stay that way, then just try to make you a better endurance runner. That’s it. And we already know if it’s just a pure running workout, it wasn’t semifinal, well, it’s just like a damage control. But if more, let’s say CrossFit workout comes in where it’s running and squash knock and leg roll climb back in 2019, well, I’ll be fine with that. It’s not too much running. So yeah, I mean, it’s a decision that I have to make and just I feel like being a 2 15, 2 12 is the best decision I can do to be the overall best athlete possible for the
Sevan Matossian (23:51):
Games. When you say we, who else is involved in the decision?
Sam Cournoyer (23:56):
I mean, me and Jake, Jake locker at Mayhem. He’s the one who’s been helping me for the years, mean, so that’s why, I mean, when we draw that weight, we saw incredible time in the pool and in the running compared to now. But I’m like, it doesn’t matter because I cannot lift 2 75 right now. I’m barely dying with the barbell. So it’s, it’s not worth it at the end. I went to the track last week, no, two weeks ago at two 15, I ran a mile. I didn’t have a workout at 5 32. So it’s not Jeff at time, but it’s not Jeff at time. But I know I can still be a good runner if I want to. Like I said, it will just, it’s going to depend on the programming and stuff like that.
Sevan Matossian (24:42):
Did that hurt at the end of a workout to run a 5 32 mile? Did that really hurt? Yeah. Fuck yeah, it hurt,
Sam Cournoyer (24:48):
Man. I like running. My body doesn’t like it. I do love the sport of running it just for some reason, I mean, every time I run, it feels like I just did my snatching clean jerk, and my nervous system is gone. So yeah,
Sevan Matossian (25:09):
I’m happy with
Sam Cournoyer (25:09):
That.
Sevan Matossian (25:09):
Hey, I heard you on that interview with Dave, say you guys were talking about Jeff running a sub five minute mile. Did he post that somewhere?
Sam Cournoyer (25:18):
I mean, we saw a picture of it with Chris and Sha, so he did a, what was the workout? I think he did some 500 meter repeat before he finished with a mile, but we have no proof of that. So we would like Jeff to just show his garment stats or something, a picture of him and Chris saying that,
Sevan Matossian (25:40):
And you could actually see a clock that said like 4 59.
Sam Cournoyer (25:43):
No, just in the Instagram caption.
Sevan Matossian (25:47):
Holy shit,
Sam Cournoyer (25:48):
Dude. I mean, I believe it’s true because I know Jeff fit, but it would just be nice to have some proof. So Jeff, have
Sevan Matossian (25:53):
You ever heard of any CrossFit games athlete running a sub five minute mile while they’re a CrossFit games athlete? I mean, I’m guessing some have done it prior to the CrossFit games career, but have you ever heard anyone doing that as an athlete?
Sam Cournoyer (26:06):
I mean, I don’t think we ever heard of it, but I mean, I did hear some stories. I mean, I can’t remember from who and where, but I think Chris actually, and just said that Matt back in the days did it, Fraser, and I believe the guy like Roman and probably Ricky, Jake Rauch, who are also a really, really great runner guy, they could do it too.
Sevan Matossian (26:31):
Even Roman could do it, you think?
Sam Cournoyer (26:33):
Oh yeah. I mean, Romans, that’s what’s impressive. Roman is a big dude. He’s taller, so he’s kind of having a little advantage of that. I believe women can run a sub 500 mile. It’s just, what’s crazy about Jeff is Jeff, he’s my size, just lighter. But Jeff runs a sub 500 mile, but can also freaking clean drink three 80 pounds. So that’s what, that’s impressive. Got to admit.
Sevan Matossian (27:04):
Yeah. God, that’s fucking crazy. Hey, SAMO, or anytime in your career, have you ever had a lot of people move around in camps or come and go? Have you ever been offered or tempted to leave Mayhem and try anywhere else?
Sam Cournoyer (27:20):
No, I never really talked. I mean, think, talk about it. I’m happy with mayhem, and I’m so grateful that they’ve been in my life, not just as an athlete, but as a friend, having Rich as a mentor, Jim. And so as a mentor, I got so much more benefits in my life as a human and as a dad. So they did a lot for me in my life as an athlete too. But I just, no, I mean, I never thought about it, just being with them. It feels like second family and loyalty for me. It’s a huge values of mine, so I’m loyal old to them.
Sevan Matossian (28:00):
Even after you won a team, did any teams try to recruit you that were temping? Yeah.
Sam Cournoyer (28:07):
Every year there’s people who are trying to ask me if I want to go team with them and stuff. I said, no for now, because like I said, I want to do those thing individually, but the day I’ll go back team. Let’s say Taylor and Andrea wants to do a team under their proven names. Well, I mean, I’ll tell Rich, but I don’t think he will be mad about it. If I have an opportunity to go team with other people that can help me with money and sponsorship and stuff like that, and maybe win another title, well, I’ll do it. It’s just a name at the end, but my loyalty will always be too many no matter what. Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (28:50):
I would think that anyone who’s been on a winning team, their stock would go up tremendously because they have that experience. And I think that this isn’t like a lightning strikes twice thing. People who are winners happen to be winners repeatedly. Even. What if you went even going to the Invictus team, who ended up being on their team? Did anyone did, they didn’t keep anyone the same, right? That team was Jorge and Devin Kim. They didn’t keep any of those people those. They all scattered to the win.
Sam Cournoyer (29:29):
I think they kept the one guy, Joshua.
Sevan Matossian (29:32):
Oh, Elsa.
Sam Cournoyer (29:32):
Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (29:34):
Sorry, Elsa. Yeah, Elsa. Yeah.
Sam Cournoyer (29:36):
Yeah. So he is there with gender, his girlfriend and Lauren Fisher,
Sevan Matossian (29:41):
If I’m right. Okay, so at that point, it’s not even close to the same team, but let’s say Jorge would’ve left, what a great place to plug in Samwell. Cornay, right? I would have to guess that you’re a hot prospect for people to grab
Sam Cournoyer (29:56):
Mean, let’s say that same team.
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