Ryan Hughes | Greatness Lived and Defined

Ryan Hughes (00:00):

Didn’t get many specifics on how or what if it’s going to be video, just audio, stuff like that. So maybe

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

We’re a live video. Can you do it like this? Are you comfortable?

Ryan Hughes (00:13):

Yeah, no, I’m comfortable just making sure that I have the right background and nothing’s showing. That shouldn’t be showing. No.

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

Oh, let’s party.

Ryan Hughes (00:23):

Yeah, so let me see if I can get you a little bit bigger somehow. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (00:30):

Your connection’s. Great. If you could turn the phone sideways, that’d be great. If not, no problem. I know it could be a lot to hold it like that. There we go.

Ryan Hughes (00:36):


Sevan Matossian (00:37):

Yeah, if you need to move or anything, it’s my show. It’s a chill show.

Ryan Hughes (00:43):

It’s the

Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Best show. You just rock and roll and do you and have fun?

Ryan Hughes (00:47):

Yeah, maybe. All right, let’s do this. Let me get some coffee. I’ll run outside because it’s nice outside. So all the fires are gone and everything, so we’re good.

Sevan Matossian (00:58):

Ryan, where are you at right now?

Ryan Hughes (01:01):

I live in Southern California, so down towards San Diego area.

Sevan Matossian (01:09):

Okay, cool. I’m in Santa Cruz.

Ryan Hughes (01:13):

Okay. Yeah, Santa Cruz is beautiful. Yeah. I live just outside Temecula in a place called AW Wonga. So I live on 30 acres off grid and live out here solo. Not a friend, not a mate, not a dog, not a cat. Completely solo.

Sevan Matossian (01:31):

Yeah, you’re doing it. You’re doing

Ryan Hughes (01:33):

Welcome to yourself.

Sevan Matossian (01:36):

And we are pretty much the same age. I’m born 1972, March of 72. And you’re born in April of 73.

Ryan Hughes (01:43):

Yep. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (01:45):

And if I may, we’re two guys who’ve really, really lived a good real life. Lots of stuff. You have been in the two-wheeled, motorized sports, committed for 40 years. You have kids, you’ve traveled the world, you’ve been at the top of your game, you’ve been married, and now you’re doing something that’s kind of a dream for, I guess, for a lot of human beings living off the grid. And I’m getting just really deep diving into yourself.

Ryan Hughes (02:22):

Yeah. Well, for me, I’ve never really had a plan in life or a goal in life. I’ve always just done the things that make me tick, things that I love to do. So I was younger, soccer, football, oh my God, I’m going to be a professional this. And I found motocross, and instantly I was great at it. And so

Sevan Matossian (02:44):

I made a really, how old were you, Ryan, when you found it?

Ryan Hughes (02:46):

I started when I was 11.

Sevan Matossian (02:48):


Ryan Hughes (02:49):

So I played soccer, football, and I just have the mentality if I do something, even when I was younger, that I’m going to be the best at it. So I played soccer. I want to be the best found football. Oh, I can hit people and not get in trouble. So I like this. So I want to be a professional football player. And then I always rode motorcycles, but just rode ’em. And then my brother raced and they wanted me to go race, and I never wanted to. I was too scared. They finally got me to race. I won my first six races and turned pro in three years. So it went really fast. And then so I was able to build a career, build a life, being taught motocross and going around the world and being able to experience people and destinations and experiences that from highs to lows that people would never be able to imagine winning some of the biggest races on earth, but also laying on the ground, being completely paralyzed from neck down

Sevan Matossian (03:47):

More than once.

Ryan Hughes (03:49):

Yeah, four times. So with that, just kind of, you go through life, and then you got married with my ex at 21, so I had a 24 year marriage with her. My son will be 26 this year. My daughter will be 22. And so kind of did that whole thing. But then life wants changed. Life wants something different, and so we decided to put a little bit of a bomb in my life, and then divorce happened, sell the house, lose the money. You know what I mean? Then it’s like, okay, here comes the real test. So I kind of found myself out here on this property not knowing why, but now I know exactly why and it’s healed me from a lot of situations from divorce, letting family go, and also pretty much being paralyzed four times in the last 10 years.

Sevan Matossian (04:43):

I just realized I was trying to figure out how you popped on my radar, and I just saw this guy in the commons, jetted Snelson. He’s a CrossFit games athlete, and he’s been on, he’s the show before. So he’s the one who introduced me to you through

Ryan Hughes (04:57):

The Yeah, that’s right. That’s right. That’s right. Yeah. Trying to figure out the connection also. And yeah, so myself and Aya, we did some work together. He was working for another rider that I was coaching, and we saw eye to eye, and then unfortunately he had a little accident in motocross, but the mentality and the work ethic and the heart that guy has that I see on Instagram is pretty amazing. Good guy doesn’t stop, so it’s cool.

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

Yeah. Great. Headspace too. Good, dude. I have him help me host a couple shows and just a bro can just hang. Can just roll?

Ryan Hughes (05:33):

Yep. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (05:34):

Hey, you said you started riding at 11. Can you tell me the first time, is that the first time you were ever on a motorcycle? And could you go back even further and tell me when you learned how to ride a bike, if you remember the first time you were on a two wheeled vehicle?

Ryan Hughes (05:48):

Yeah. I can’t remember the first time, but I started riding probably motorcycles when I was four or five years old.

Sevan Matossian (05:55):

How does that happen? Most people would be like, no, my parents won’t let me get close to motorcycle. But at four, you were introduced to this.

Ryan Hughes (06:02):

Well, my dad rode in the desert and my dad rode a little bit just for fun, just because again, back in the seventies you could ride anywhere nowadays, and then is two different worlds, so you could ride down the street, whatever. So motorcycles are rampant. So we had motorcycles and three wheelers, and we’d go to the desert all the time. So I just did it for fun. But then my brother raced when I was younger and I didn’t race. Then he had to quit because my dad had to work a lot. He used to work at power plant and then he started racing again, and that’s when they wanted me to come out and try it. I remember the day before the race, I was sitting in a truck just crying, no, dad, no, I don’t want to. I was so scared. And then they got me out there and I fell over and somebody, a big guy on a bigger bike stop and kind of helped me up. And I was like, oh, wow, these guys are nice. And that was just the clique for me because that’s a very shy kid for some reason you would never think of it, but very shy kid. But once I felt comfortable, then you saw myself shine, and again, I’d won my first six races, and then I went from starting racing in 1984 to finishing fifth and one of the biggest races in the world in six years.

Sevan Matossian (07:21):


Ryan Hughes (07:22):

Crazy. It’s very, very quick transition. But again, some people are born with that mentality of once they have something in their mind that they’re unstoppable, even if they don’t become the best or anything, they get to that destination. And I have that ability to put something in my mind and just tune everything of this world completely out until I get there. And with something that challenged you and brought you that thrill, like motocross, it was hard not to be. So just obsessed with it.

Sevan Matossian (08:02):

Do you have a second passion? Is there anything else that’s even come close to motocross in your life to riding bikes?

Ryan Hughes (08:12):

No, I guess.

Sevan Matossian (08:14):

Okay. Besides that. Besides that, that understand quick moment

Ryan Hughes (08:18):

For day.

Sevan Matossian (08:19):

Yeah, besides that,

Ryan Hughes (08:21):


Sevan Matossian (08:21):

That’s healthy though. That’s healthy. That’s good.

Ryan Hughes (08:23):

Yeah. So I guess to explain it is when I’ve got with my ex, ex-wife, when we’re younger, we’re sitting in the garage and we’re talking about going out in this, and I said, Hey, see that motorcycle in the corner? That was my bike, my practice bike. And she’s like, yeah. I go, that’s my first love. I go, nothing comes before that. I go, if you can understand that, then we can start dating. If you can’t, then we’re done because nothing will interrupt that. So I’ve gone through 24 years of marriage, kids, this, that, and after 40 years of being involved in the sport, I still have a lot of love for it. So that’s a blessing. That’s an absolute blessing to be able to have something you’ve been into for so long and still have a passion for it.

Sevan Matossian (09:16):

Is there anything about racing that’s a performance?

Ryan Hughes (09:22):

Yeah, it’s a dance. It’s a dance. When you watch with

Sevan Matossian (09:25):

The other guys or with yourself,

Ryan Hughes (09:27):

It’s a dance with the bike and the track. And so when you’re able to, because I do a lot of coaching now, I do a lot of coaching and teaching and things like that and lead the sport with technique and positioning. And so I coach a lot of different levels of riders. And so when I coach the guys that don’t have the skill, it’s like they’re reacting. So the bike does something, then they react to it. So they’re always behind it a little bit behind it a little bit. You get someone really, really good. Well, they initiate everything. So their body’s moving before the bike is, or if the bike moves, they’re moving in a direction, they know what’s going to happen. So it turns more into a dance. A dancer is never reacting to anything. A dancer’s always initiating next move, his next flare performance. And so the same thing with athletes is that you should never be in reaction mode because that is defensive and something’s already happened.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):


Ryan Hughes (10:25):

Need to be in initiation mode because that’s instinct intuition where you don’t have to think about it. Right? Then that softness comes out, that trust comes out, that dance, and you see it in Kobe, you see it in See it in soccer players, Michael Jordan, whatever it is you, that level, there’s that dance, and that’s what I see.

Sevan Matossian (10:51):

There’s this famous fighter named Israel Nia, he’s in the UFC now, and he was saying that the reason why he thought Jordan was better than LeBron was because of the emotional attachment the audience had to him. And that, I’m paraphrasing what he’s saying, of course, the emotional attachment the audience had with him because of his performance, and as a fighter, he wanted to be the same way. If there was ever a question, if it was a tie, he wanted the audience to be on his side emotionally because of his performance. Driving’s kind of like that, Ryan, I drive, but a lot of people don’t drive. They’re just out there and they do everything segmented. For me, it’s just between point A and point B. It’s all one movement. There’s not right turn, left turn, stop, start. It’s all even how I’m braking, slowing down. I’m just constantly, I’m driving,

Ryan Hughes (11:43):


Sevan Matossian (11:43):

Like the car.

Ryan Hughes (11:45):


Sevan Matossian (11:46):

There’s people who don’t do that.

Ryan Hughes (11:48):

Yeah, well, the thing is, it’s just like motocross. So I explain, I go look, driving a car and riding a motorcross, the mind can’t keep up with how fast it’s happening.


So if you’re trying to keep up with how fast driving a car, riding a motorcycle is happening, you’re always going to be behind it. You can never think of right now, impossible. It only can think of future and past and surroundings. So if you’re thinking about anything, it’s always going to be away from what’s happening right now. And so if my mind is wandering while I’m driving or riding, well then I only can hope that my line is where it should be and I’m set up for that next section. And if there’s any hope in me, well then there’s fear and there’s fear, there’s hesitation. But if I learn to learn how to feel the drive, feel my seat, feel my tires, feel my wheels, feel my whatever, well, you only can feel right now. You can’t feel future past or surroundings. And so if I can feel what’s happening right now, well then I can trust that I’m in this line set up for this next section. And if you have trust in you, you relax. If you relax, you flow. So everything that we do at that level has to become a feel. It cannot be a thought, but we also bring thought into it because what are you doing? You’re identifying where you want to be, so you can set up where you should be down the next corner, but then your focus goes right back into where you’re at right now. That make sense?

Sevan Matossian (13:12):

Oh, a hundred percent.

Ryan Hughes (13:13):

If I’m coming into a corner, I’m focused on, okay, I need to hit this line because I need to square this up and then swing this wide in two more corners. Got that. But then my focus goes right into making sure I hit that point so the rest of it plays out together.

Sevan Matossian (13:34):

The audience se you drive a minivan, you drive a minivan, dude, you drive a dude, you drive a minivan. I know I’m in the arts of minivan driving. He’s in the motorcycle lot time in the art. So

Ryan Hughes (13:48):

I drive a small little Toyota, but nobody can keep up with me in that thing. Boy,

Sevan Matossian (13:55):

Do you drive an automatic or a stick?

Ryan Hughes (13:57):

I drive an automatic. I got to have my friend. I got my hand free for the lady.

Sevan Matossian (14:02):

Of course. Of course. Yes. Do you downshift if you’re getting off a freeway exit and you drive an automatic, do you downshift?

Ryan Hughes (14:13):

No, I just hit the brakes. It depends on what exit I’m coming off of.

Sevan Matossian (14:17):

Yeah. Oh yeah,

Ryan Hughes (14:18):

My exit, if my exit coming off mine into onto there, I’m pretty much all sideways passing everybody on the outside third lane.

Sevan Matossian (14:25):

Wow. Wow, wow. Alright, alright. I used to drive a, I probably shouldn’t say this out loud either. I used to drive a 77 Volkswagen Rabbit that was a stick. And then I had a Toyota pickup truck that was a stick. And so now my minivan, my Toyota minivan, I downshift. I drive the manual like it’s a stick.

Ryan Hughes (14:45):

Oh, you put it over in the left or whatever. So you use the shifter?

Sevan Matossian (14:49):

Yeah, especially anytime I’m getting off the freeway and I’m merging with the traffic. I like to keep it nice and tight.

Ryan Hughes (14:56):

Yeah, I get in there. Yeah, I always have to pass that last person. For some reason, the racer comes out me everywhere, so I can’t race anymore and do all that and wild stuff because of the injuries that I’ve had. But AF one, a simulator, I have a simulator in my place with the wheel and the 48 inch screen and Oh yeah, it’s amazing.

Sevan Matossian (15:16):

Do you like it?

Ryan Hughes (15:17):

Yeah, it’s pretty cool.

Sevan Matossian (15:19):

Do you wear the Oculus glasses? That thing?

Ryan Hughes (15:21):

No, this has the wheel. Just the wheel alone is 2,500 bucks. It’s a real deal, but I haven’t done the virtual one. I hear sometimes it screws with you, I guess, and I don’t want to get too addicted to it. Dammit.

Sevan Matossian (15:40):

I understand.

Ryan Hughes (15:43):


Sevan Matossian (15:45):

Ryan, there was this line, you said in an interview that really, I had never heard this before and this made so much sense. You said, and I think I got it close. You didn’t want to be a champion, you wanted to go fast, and that desire to go fast and mastering your art is what turned you into a warrior. And then once you turn into a warrior, your natural instinct is then to go out and get it, which is a synonym for compete.

Ryan Hughes (16:20):


Sevan Matossian (16:20):

I thought, wow, that’s, that’s fascinating because so many kids miss that part because they already want to be Michael Jordan or they want to be something. And it seems like you didn’t want to do that, you just wanted to go fast. And then without even knowing it, you transformed into this high level racer. And once you started, I guess feeling like eminently competent around that skill, you wanted to test it against other humans.

Ryan Hughes (16:52):

Yeah, I guess the thing is I’ve never really wanted to be anybody. I guess became somebody, but never wanted be anybody. I never looked up into anybody and wanted to emulate them or be anything like anybody. That’s the thing is I’m 100% happy, confident, and secure with who I am. There’s nobody on earth that I wish I could be like, and that’s not an egotistical thing, it’s just I’ve been tested and tried and tuned myself into who I want to be, even though that means I have had to push a lot of shit out of the way or not have some things that maybe I should. So with that, having that mentality that just starts coming out everywhere wear. And so that warrior mentality of just going, like I said before, once I have something in my mind, there’s no way that anything’s going to get there until I get to that destination.


And so having that just again, unfortunately it comes out everywhere. Sometimes it comes out in relationship and it comes out in life just trying to have fulfillment. You start chasing and chasing and chasing and chasing and chasing because that’s how you got your fulfillment is by accomplishment in racing. And so when that racing’s gone is when that real struggle, I feel happens for a lot of us athletes is because we’re so used to chasing something to get what we want. But the only thing that you can chase in life after competition sometimes is the negative of life, because giving you a little quick fulfillment, little quick fulfillment. And so that’s where I feel a lot of it can help you when you’re trying to achieve a goal and become something and compete. But when you’re done with it, then it can almost be the worst thing that you’ve ever brought onto yourself because you’re never going to be satisfied. There’s always unfulfillment, there’s always more. There’s always next. There’s always What if maybe.

Sevan Matossian (19:04):

Do you still ride any two wheel vehicles?

Ryan Hughes (19:07):

Nah. I mean, I ride every once in a while just to scratch a itch. And like I say, the last two years I broke my neck twice. And to be able to walk away from the things that I’ve experienced as is I don’t have an answer for, I really don’t. And so I have to respect that honor that and yeah. Yeah, I

Sevan Matossian (19:37):

Love it. You described one of your breaks as being capitated.

Ryan Hughes (19:44):

Yeah. So again, I broke my back in 2013 in a crash. And I mean the stories that I have, if I don’t know how long you guys want to talk, but anyways,

Sevan Matossian (19:57):

I’ll hear ’em. I’m game. I’m game. Everyone

Ryan Hughes (19:59):

Likes. So thousand 13, I was coaching these riders and we’re working on a section. I said, okay. And I always would demonstrate, we want to do it like this, we want to do it like this. And I was going through this section, and again, at this time in my life there was transition. I was coming off of being this really, really competitive high world-class racer and now retiring and going through the, okay, who am I now? And the only time that I would have satisfaction if I went out there and went fast on a motorcycle and proved how good I was, you know what I mean? So it’s just ending a persona and finding out that you have a big ego, I guess this turning point in men around like 40 ish. So I’m just explaining where I’m at in my life. And so I went through the section and the bike went a little bit sideways. And at that speed as racing cars, driving cars, you don’t have time to make decisions. It comes from instinct. But time stopped, it fucking stopped and it stopped and it gave me a decision to turn the gas off or turned the gas on, and the section wasn’t too bad and it’s my mentality. And so right when I made the decision to gas it, it felt like something just threw me off my bike pulled me off my motorcycle. I went headfirst into a jump and all of a sudden, boom, I was paralyzed from neck down.

Sevan Matossian (21:25):

Ryan, hold on just a second. So a jump looks is like basically you hit a wall when you say you went hit first, instead of going up it, you just drove into a wall.

Ryan Hughes (21:33):

Yeah, I drove into the wall, I tucked my head and I hit the wall. Boom,

Sevan Matossian (21:37):

Okay, thank you.

Ryan Hughes (21:38):

The face of the face of the jump. And then I rolled down it paralyzed from the neck down and just looking at my arms and my legs just screaming at the top of my lungs like, oh my God, it finally happened. Oh my God. Oh my God. Because every racer, that’s their worst nightmare where worst fear. And so I laid there for I don’t know how long, because again, shock and all these different things. And then finally, excuse me, the little bit of feeling started coming back through my toes and up through my body, and I started kind of getting feeling back, and then it all started coming back and I’m like, okay, okay, okay. They loaded me up, went to the hospital, they found out that I broke T 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Oh my goodness, they’re all broken. Four was gone. They don’t know how. I was really even walking later in the time. Then I went paralyzed from chest down the hematoma, grew on my spinal column, and I went paralyzed for 10 hours in the hospital from chest down before they rushed me into the emergency room to take off the hematoma. What

Sevan Matossian (22:44):

Did they do? They just drained it. It was a

Ryan Hughes (22:47):

Blood. Well, they sliced me open and took out the hematoma and then all of a sudden I started getting feeling back in my movement back in my legs.

Sevan Matossian (22:55):

That one wasn’t from an accident. That one was just from that.

Ryan Hughes (22:58):

No, that was the same thing. So I went paralyzed, got back, and then when I was in the hospital, I went paralyzed again.


And then they put two rods, 11 screws in me, fused me from two to seven, and then I was out of the hospital in a week and never went to pt, never went to physio. I asked them, how do I heal? And they said, well, the best thing you can do is walk. I walked a hundred miles the first month. I won my first mountain bike race three months later and healed myself. And so long story short, three years later, four years later, I was walking through the track and I saw one of my friends that I’ve known for a long time, and we hadn’t seen each other in a while, and he’s like, Hey, man, good to see you. He goes, you know what? I haven’t seen you since that crash when you broke your back. And I was like, yeah, I was pretty gnarly.


And he goes, that was probably one of the scariest things I’ve ever seen in my life. He goes, I was a hundred feet away from the jump, and I felt the ground shake when you hit the ground. He goes, you know what? He goes, I hate to say it, but he goes, I just walked away. He goes, I just fucking walked away. And I go, I know it was gnarly. And he goes, but he goes, the weird thing, he goes, it looked like something pulled you off your motorcycle. The hair on my arm just stood up because again, I have this idea, this feeling, this thought, this memory of this happening, but there’s no way that I could ever can prove it when someone four years later, four year later from the outside says, it looked like something pulled you off your motorcycle. It was a point in my life that I could close a book on questioning the direction in my life or what happened in my life or who I am. You know what I mean?

Sevan Matossian (24:48):

You have an explanation for it. You think it’s like

Ryan Hughes (24:51):

It was a turning point, it had to happen, or I probably killed myself, or I was just going the wrong direction in life. Not by wrong, not by doing anything negative, just mindset, direction, who I thought I needed to be instead of who I should become. We get stuck in this persona, this rhino, this I need to always prove, I always need to be the best. I always need to be the fittest. I always need to conquer where everybody sings me praise,

Sevan Matossian (25:22):


Ryan Hughes (25:22):

It’s so easy for me to do that because only they got to do is try. But there’s a point where that’s never going to grow that man. And so if you don’t have these changes, if you don’t have these kind of forks in the roads, then you’re never going to grow as a man or progress. And so that was a blessing in my life to be able to, I guess, kind of experience that.

Sevan Matossian (25:50):

There’s this guy running for office for the president Indian cat named of Vek, Ramas Swami, and I heard him talking about wanting to put a limit on how long people can be in office, and his explanation was is that the nature of man is that we go through self-serving or serving ourselves and then service of others, and we go through these waves of it. And that when you have someone who’s in office for 40 years, that’s where the corruption sinks in because you may be in a giving phase and then you may turn into a self-serving phase. So you think you’re going to go there and help your community, but next thing you know, you’re swinging a deal and taking some money on the side from some guy who’s a construction worker who wants to build homes, and you’re pushing through his shit for an extra 50 grand in your pocket. It sounds like that. When I hear you talk about your life even here and all the stuff that I was watching prior to you coming on, you have those two phases at pretty far extremes. You have the party that’s like you can be a real of real service, and then there’s times when you are really serving you like you’re working on yourself.

Ryan Hughes (27:04):


Sevan Matossian (27:05):

Does that resonate with you? I had never heard anyone say it like that, the way this Vivet guy had said it, but I really liked it.

Ryan Hughes (27:09):

No, that makes complete sense because after a while, let’s say being in an office and you’re doing this and doing this, and after a sudden you’re like, okay, hey, where am I going to get something out of this? And then it’s easy to be corrupt, right?

Sevan Matossian (27:20):

Yeah. So

Ryan Hughes (27:21):

Same thing is I serve myself, and that’s what every man does in the beginning is serve themselves to be ACEO to be important, make money accomplished, whatever. It’s you have to have be self-centered, greedy, selfish to be the best, impossible not to be. But once that’s done well, then you have to be able to take off that costume and see what’s underneath it, because now here comes your true colors, here comes your true nature. So for me, I feel like this big giving phase, this big serving phase in my life has come from being humbled so deeply. I’ve had to just give up. I’ve had to just say, I’m done. I don’t know. Just take me whatever the hell it is. From the places I’ve been in, from breaking my neck two times in a year. So that one time was when I was up in Washington. The bike flipped up, landed on my head and internally decapitated me. And so my whole left side of my body was

Sevan Matossian (28:28):

Internally, internally decapitated you, meaning your head was just attached to your body, like being held on by the skin.

Ryan Hughes (28:34):

My neck. My neck, my spine was dislocated, my neck was dislocated.

Sevan Matossian (28:43):

So spine

Ryan Hughes (28:44):

Gone, it’s pretty much dislocated. It just was hanging on there. So when they came in the room, they said, Mr. Hughes, do not move a muscle. Do not wiggle. We don’t know how you’re even almost even alive. He goes, we can fix this. But so, and then I’m up there by myself in the covid phase and nobody’s allowed to visit me and just completely solo. Completely solo. I mean, that was so gnarly to be in that position. So they put the plate in there, they put six screws in there, everything was solid there, but I still didn’t have feeling in my left side of my body. My leg came back, but my left arm was completely dead. And then I’m up there by myself and then crazy me said, well, I’m good, right? And they’re like, well, yeah, you’re good. You’re solid, and you could get back into what you’re doing probably in about three months. And I said, okay, so I can go home. And I’m like, well, we wouldn’t suggest it, but if you can handle the pain in the age UR, you can check yourself out. I said, okay. So I had an Uber meet me at the bottom of the hospital the next day, made a flight home.

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