Rich Froning | The Right to BEAR Arms

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Dude, good to see you.

Rich Froning (00:01):

Good to see you. What are you doing?

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Just hanging out. Hotel room. Hotel room living. Hey, do I look red? Why do I look so red? I look orange to you guys. Look good. Okay, good. Okay, good. I got feel good. It’s a little early for me, but I feel great.

Rich Froning (00:15):

Where are you at?

Sevan Matossian (00:18):


Rich Froning (00:19):

Arizona. Are you doing in Arizona?

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

Greg lives here.

Rich Froning (00:22):

Oh, nice.

Sevan Matossian (00:24):

Hey, guest today. Rich phoning

Rich Froning (00:28):


Sevan Matossian (00:29):

Matt Souza is here also. That’s pretty cool. I want to tell you guys something real quick. Is my mic too loud? How’s that better? No, it sounded good before.

Rich Froning (00:40):

You sound great. You sound great. Who being so self-conscious,

Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Full blast. I’m just got a new setup here. I have to be self-conscious. I’m concerned about the masses.

Rich Froning (00:47):

Cared about what you look like.

Sevan Matossian (00:50):

Phone works. This is my first little run with this particular movement. Listen, throughout the day, I think about you guys. Thanks. Not you, rich. I think about Judy, I think about cave gastro. I think about all you guys throughout the day, right? But you have to remember, I don’t really expect you guys to have a level of the detachment from the show, Audrey. Of course, yeah. Think about you when I tell you guys that if you send your kids to school, you’re a shitty parent. You just drop your kids off at school. Rich.

Rich Froning (01:27):

Yeah, I did. We’re actually looking at homeschooling, I think.

Sevan Matossian (01:30):

Did I lose Rich? No,

Rich Froning (01:33):

I’m here.

Sevan Matossian (01:34):

Oh, I can’t hear him. Can you guys hear me? We lost

Rich Froning (01:37):

Rich. I

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

What the fuck happened to my, what’s going on with my shit?

Rich Froning (01:41):

I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (01:43):

Yeah, I can hear. I’m good.

Rich Froning (01:46):

I’ve got these wired in Apple headphones.

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

Could you guys hear me?

Rich Froning (01:51):

Yeah, I can hear you.

Sevan Matossian (01:52):

Okay. Okay. Okay. So when I tell you that you’re a shitty parent, if

Rich Froning (01:58):

You I’d agree with that. Yeah, I agree with

Sevan Matossian (02:00):

That. Listen, I expect there to be half of you to be out there to be so confident in your choice of sending your kids to school that you’re like, Hey, I’m letting that slide. I’m totally open to being wrong, and I’m totally open to speaking in hyperbole. Don’t anyone get, and if you guys are DMing me or texting me, I’m,

Rich Froning (02:25):

I’m going to unfollow you

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

Anyway. I love you guys. Enjoy the show. Take what you want from it and throw the rest away. I mean, I have a blast with you guys. And some of you probably have found the greatest school ever. That’s a thousand times better than anything that I’m doing with my kids.

Rich Froning (02:39):

Are you apologizing right now?

Sevan Matossian (02:41):


Rich Froning (02:42):

Not account for that. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (02:43):

I hope not. Is that what I’m

Rich Froning (02:44):

Supposed to be doing on here? Do I need to have my apology ready? Is that what

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

Greg? What do you have to say to the masses for killing that bear?

Rich Froning (02:52):

Nothing. I can’t wait to eat some bear meat.

Sevan Matossian (02:55):

Hey, they’re really going to make sausage bear sausage.

Rich Froning (02:58):

Yeah. Yeah. Chorizo and other things, other sausages and soap and all kinds of stuff out of the fat. It’s pretty versatile meat. Pretty versatile animal. Versatile animal.

Sevan Matossian (03:08):

What’s the guy’s name that makes the sausages? Is it Carlos?

Rich Froning (03:13):

No, his name’s Dave. Dave Curtis.

Sevan Matossian (03:15):

He needs to change his name to Carlos. He’s such a Carlos dude.

Rich Froning (03:20):

Dave’s the man. Dave’s the one that talked me into doing Leadville last year. And what’s crazy about how we met Dave Curtis was, remember we did that Modo tour a couple of years ago with Castro? When we were in Leadville?

Sevan Matossian (03:35):


Rich Froning (03:35):

Okay. When we were in Leadville, it was like me, Dan, Josh, Dave, who else?

Sevan Matossian (03:41):

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. I remember

Rich Froning (03:45):

Was there

Sevan Matossian (03:46):

That pretty much ruined your guys’ friendship. That was cool.

Rich Froning (03:49):

Yeah. Yeah. For about a week. And then we were good.

Sevan Matossian (03:51):

Yeah, that

Rich Froning (03:52):

Was cool. Dave would just get so mad that we just wanted to hang out and Dave wanted to ride 1 million miles a day and we wanted to work out. He didn’t understand that. And so we were in Leadville, Colorado at a campground and we posted a video. Dave posted a video or a picture or whatever, and next thing we know we’re sitting at this fire and somebody just walks out of the darkness and he is like, Hey, this is really creepy. But I literally live right next door and just wanted to bring you guys some beer and hang out. And so that’s how we met Dave Curtis. And then we’ve become friends throughout the years and hunting buddies and yeah, really cool. Kind like full circle story a couple years later.

Sevan Matossian (04:33):

Wow. That is a trip. Now guys, listen, rich is claiming this guy’s name is fucking, what’d you say? Dave Curtis.

Rich Froning (04:41):

Dave Curtis.

Sevan Matossian (04:42):

Listen people, this is not a Dave Curtis. There’s no Dave Curtis that looks like this. This is straight Carlos. Wait, hold on, hold on. There he is,

Rich Froning (04:51):


Sevan Matossian (04:51):

There. Look at please.

Rich Froning (04:54):

I’ll tell

Sevan Matossian (04:54):

Dave. Carlos we’ll have him

Rich Froning (04:56):

Change his name. Are you kidding me? Making some chorizo.

Sevan Matossian (05:00):

Dude, that’s Carlos. Carlos Hernandez. First generation Ecuadorian. Holy cow. That is also, that looks like the guy that works at the Hawaii Trail Run. You know what I mean? The guy at that gym. What’s that guy?

Rich Froning (05:17):

What’s that guy’s name?

Sevan Matossian (05:18):

Juan. Juan, yeah. Yeah. Carlos and Juan are brothers.

Rich Froning (05:22):

Long lost brothers. I’ll see if Dave has his brothers name’s. Juan.

Sevan Matossian (05:26):

Dude. There’s no way. His name is Dave. Maybe that’s part of his,

Rich Froning (05:32):

Maybe he is witness protection. I would believe that. That’s

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

Exactly what I was thinking, dude. That’s exactly what I was thinking.

Rich Froning (05:41):

My name is Tom.

Sevan Matossian (05:43):

Oh my goodness, David. I mean, you see it, right? There’s no David there. That guy’s ethnic is a mofo. Yeah. My name’s Charlie, by the way. I’m Charlie

Rich Froning (05:55):

Ben Davidson, who’s on our media team. He’ll ask you whatever question, anything, there’s nothing off the table. And he just looked at Dave when we were hunting in archery season. He looks at him and he said, what’s your heritage? And Dave’s like, what are you asking? And he is like, well, what are you? So it was pretty good.

Sevan Matossian (06:14):

And what is he?

Rich Froning (06:16):

I think

Sevan Matossian (06:18):

You were too busy enjoying the question to hear the answer. I think

Rich Froning (06:20):

He’s Mexican and then I think he’s black too. So I think he said Latin American and Ben’s like, what does that even mean? Asking him what it was. Ben wanted his

Sevan Matossian (06:40):

My takeaway from that whole video is what’s the cook after all that shit you guys go through? What if is the cook? That’s the only

Rich Froning (06:49):

Thing. That’s all. You got anything

Sevan Matossian (06:52):

About the same clock?

Rich Froning (06:53):

Not anything about the story. Not anything about any of the cinematography, anything? Nope. Not me and Matt fighting back and forth. Hillary watched it yesterday. She usually doesn’t watch the videos and she’s like, you and Matt are so mean to each other. And I was like, yeah, we’ve, we’ve been best friends for 30 years. That’s just what you do. You just talk shit to each other.

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

In the beginning, there is that scene. It seems like there could be a little tension. Oh no. We don’t normally see people push back on you. You’re

Rich Froning (07:22):

Like, Hey, let’s this way. And

Sevan Matossian (07:24):

He’s like,

Rich Froning (07:24):

No. No. Me and Matt, I mean literally we’re brothers and it happens all the time. We were working bison yesterday and we’re dog cussing each other and just is what it is. And then you walk away and everybody’s like, are you guys still friends? And we’re like, yeah, absolutely. There’s no part of me that would even question that.

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

What’s dog cussing?

Rich Froning (07:43):

Just lots of cussing.

Sevan Matossian (07:46):

Someone do

Rich Froning (07:48):

A of that. This is a family friendly podcast. I can’t say any of the words, but yeah, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (07:52):

Yeah, please. So it’s a lot of cussing. Someone would, not

Rich Froning (07:57):

Cus but cussing. Yeah, like dog. You’d yell at a dog. Dog does something bad.

Sevan Matossian (08:01):

Is it the same word? What? Go ahead Susan. I said you stupid. SOB. Why would you put it that

Rich Froning (08:07):

Way? Yep, exactly.

Sevan Matossian (08:10):

But it’s dog cussing. Dog

Rich Froning (08:14):


Sevan Matossian (08:14):

But it’s from the word cussing.

Rich Froning (08:16):

Yeah, for sure. You just put an apostrophe, you drop the G and put an apostrophe over the end. That’s what we learned in Tennessee schools.

Sevan Matossian (08:24):

Yeah. Cussing like busting. Dog cussing.

Rich Froning (08:27):

Dog cussing.

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

Someone would just unleash on their dog. I actually have a friend or two that every time I’m on the phone with them, they’re yelling at their dog and it’s crazy.

Rich Froning (08:37):

I got a dog like that. His name’s Bill

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

To berate in a hateful or vicious manner using various and sundry profane word sundry.

Rich Froning (08:49):


Sevan Matossian (08:50):

I don’t even know. Click that word. Seriously. Let’s see what that is. The fucking vocabulary lesson

Rich Froning (08:54):

Here. This is Oh, urban dictionary. Yeah. This is a real vocabulary lesson. Yeah, this is real. This is real. It’s got to be real. Is this

Sevan Matossian (09:00):

Various items not important enough to be mentioned individually? Alright.

Rich Froning (09:06):

Yeah. They don’t really make sense.

Sevan Matossian (09:09):

I wonder if my mom knows that word. Yes. So you guys were rolling. Tell me about this. How much is a bear tag?

Rich Froning (09:19):

So the elk tag was I think $700 and then you just do an add-on bear tag. It’s an over the counter tag. I think it was $114. Depends on what unit you’re in,

Sevan Matossian (09:33):

Meaning geographically where you

Rich Froning (09:35):

Are. Yeah, so basically whatever state, we’ll take Colorado for. Oh, balloons, happy birthday. We’ll take Colorado for instance. And it’s divided up into different units and so some units are what they call over the counter where any old jackass, like myself, you could just show up and get a tag depending on how many are left. And then some units where either there’s less animals or more high quality trophy animals might cost you points and you can apply for points and get points. It’s really a very confusing system unless you know somebody that knows what the hell they’re doing.

Sevan Matossian (10:14):

Okay. Let me ask you this question. I’m poor as shit. I only make $89,000 a year. I mean, I am poor.

Rich Froning (10:22):

That’s California poor for sure.

Sevan Matossian (10:23):

I’m fucking poor. I’m picking up. I saved my cans. Yep.

Rich Froning (10:28):

You get 5 cents in Colorado. I mean California or you get

Sevan Matossian (10:30):

Ten three dollars a can.

Rich Froning (10:32):

$3 a can. Wow. Hell yeah. Good job. Newsom. Man.

Sevan Matossian (10:36):

After taxes, you pay them though,

Rich Froning (10:39):

You get $3, but they get $5. You have to pay them $5.

Sevan Matossian (10:44):

I am poor as shit. I make $89,000 a year. I’m driving my car down to where I see the, what’s the shit in the tire? Low fuel

Rich Froning (10:54):

Light. Oh

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

Yeah, that too. Like your wire. Oh

Rich Froning (10:57):

Yeah. Yeah. You’re No, but you’re just being environmentally responsible there. Right?

Sevan Matossian (11:08):

I’m six months late on paying my gardener who I pay $500 a month to keep the property nice. You know what I mean? Carlos? Yeah. Carlos actually, what is his name? Carlos. David, Javier. Javier. Javier and Javier too. I have the cheap, dirty, cheap cable package. Why aren’t

Rich Froning (11:27):

You using your kids to do your lawn, cut your lawn?

Sevan Matossian (11:30):

2 75 a month. I have the cheap cable package. I can’t even watch all the football games. Only 2 75 a month. Why the fuck would I want to spend $700? Why can’t I just go shoot an elk for free? It sounds like a fucking racket. Why do I have to spend seven? I need food for my family.

Rich Froning (11:46):

Well, because

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

I don’t want to spend $700 to shoot an elk. That’s bullshit. I should be able to do that for free.

Rich Froning (11:52):

You should go buy, if you go buy a house in Colorado, you can get a $50 elk tag. But since you’re coming from out of state, you have to pay more and all that money goes back into their state.

Sevan Matossian (12:02):

Oh. If you live there,

Rich Froning (12:06):

Or you could Could donate. Yeah, donate conserv to their conservation fund. That’s what all the vegans do, right? That’s what they’re doing for the environment is they’re donating all their money. Right?

Sevan Matossian (12:17):

Do they know where that really goes? The bullets

Rich Froning (12:22):


Sevan Matossian (12:24):

Hey. Okay. Is that true for every state?

Rich Froning (12:27):

Yeah. A lot of states, well, I’m pretty sure every state, every state that I’ve ever hunted in, you pay way more as a resident. You get some type of break. Don’t quote me on the $50, but I’m pretty sure it’s close to $50 to apply for tax. Okay. I feel better about that. But if I’m coming from a different state, they’re going to gouge you, which I mean, hey, if you’ve got the funds or if you want to raise some money for your supply and demand,

Sevan Matossian (12:54):

Okay, that makes me feel way.

Rich Froning (12:57):

Way. And that money goes back into the habitat for the animal. It goes into paying for people to do studies, watch out for the animals, bag limits, all those types of things.

Sevan Matossian (13:10):

Yeah. The other day a rat climbed into my van.

Rich Froning (13:17):

You could shoot that.

Sevan Matossian (13:24):

I took it to the Toyota dealership. It got caught in. That was $1,500. I’m like, did anything break? Nope. No sir. Nope. Why is it 1500 bucks? We got to sanitize that.

Rich Froning (13:37):

Got to sanitize that.

Sevan Matossian (13:39):

Someone got

Rich Froning (13:39):

In bubonic plague.

Sevan Matossian (13:40):

Someone got know with some Windex and a rubber glove and did that.

Rich Froning (13:44):

Hey, service fee, man. Service

Sevan Matossian (13:45):

Fee. We changed your cabin filter. Yeah, you did. That’s cool.

Rich Froning (13:48):

Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. Did you get to keep the rat, bring it home and eat it?

Sevan Matossian (13:54):

No, but you know what the guy actually did say? He’s like, Hey man, when I came in there, he is like, oh, you’re so lucky. I go, why? He goes, there’s a guy working a mechanic here today who just specializes in this. He loves it. It’s like when your kid gets in an accident, every parent says the same thing. Oh, we’re so lucky. The best surgeon in the world was there today for that. Right. You know that story? You’ve heard it like a hundred people. He

Rich Froning (14:17):

Specializes in this.

Sevan Matossian (14:21):

I was so lucky. $1,500 later.

Rich Froning (14:24):

15. You lucky. SOB

Sevan Matossian (14:26):


Rich Froning (14:28):

Oh, it was a $1,500. You’re

Sevan Matossian (14:30):

Lying. I

Rich Froning (14:31):

Know. 1498

Sevan Matossian (14:32):

Hyperbole. There are some good parents that send their kids to school too, but

Rich Froning (14:38):

Man, what did you do? What’d

Sevan Matossian (14:40):

You do? Oh

Rich Froning (14:40):

Man. You go all assault on the public school system or public and private?

Sevan Matossian (14:45):

I always do. I say all sorts of weird shit. If you have a tattoo, you have mental

Rich Froning (14:48):


Sevan Matossian (14:48):

Issues. If you have a septum ring, you have mental health issues and these people fucking flip out and it’s like, Hey, you’re the one. If you don’t, then you don’t just be cool. Just be confident in it. You’re like, oh, someone got that one wrong.

Rich Froning (14:59):

Yep. I know how that goes.

Sevan Matossian (15:03):


Rich Froning (15:04):

Post one dead animal and people lose their mind

Sevan Matossian (15:07):


Rich Froning (15:08):

You, or five

Sevan Matossian (15:11):

When you are thinking about, I know you take Scott everywhere, so everything can be a fucking write off. Oh, let’s start here. Why not start a hunting channel like TDC did?

Rich Froning (15:21):

Maybe that’s what we’re doing.

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

Oh, okay. Oh, you’re pivoting the one you have.

Rich Froning (15:26):


Sevan Matossian (15:27):

Why though? Why not keep that one? Why not start a new one? I think

Rich Froning (15:30):

We are. No, we are. We’re going to start a I.

Sevan Matossian (15:33):

I’m not saying because people are offended either. I’m just thinking it’s nice to have

Rich Froning (15:36):

Other properties. That’s where stuff will go. There’s such a value I think in fitness and hunting. Some of these guys go out there just ill prepared. And when you get out there, it’s a mental physical grind. And so we want to push, use CrossFit for the hunting space. And so a lot of guys are immediately, they’re instantly turned off when they hear the name CrossFit. So if we can kind of ease them into our side and bring them to the dark side and show them how much benefit there is if you actually do it the right way. And so yeah, the idea is to just get more people, even it’s a big large community of people doing or that are hunting and we want to show them how awesome it is that if you go out in the woods and you’re not necessarily worried about getting this thing out because I physically can’t do it or getting to wherever that animal is, then the more confident, more prepared you are in the mountains or in the woods.

Sevan Matossian (16:39):

Dude, tell me if I’m wrong, but it’s clear as day to me that I don’t want to ruin the video for people. But as nightfall is coming, you’re still in pursuit. Oh yeah. And that if you weren’t a CrossFitter, there’s no fucking way you’d have done that.

Rich Froning (16:55):

No way. No way. Yeah. No. Your

Sevan Matossian (16:56):

Average dickhead hunter is not with the fucking beer. Gut is not doing what you did. But I think if average CrossFitter actually, I don’t think it would be the fittest man in the world, dude. I think if I was there, I could have done it. Yeah, I think so too. It just seemed like just CrossFit shit. Like, hey, you just put your head down and just

Rich Froning (17:10):

Go. Just go. And that’s awesome about me and Scott. We train regularly for those types of things. And so at no point am I ever thinking about, Hey Scott, can we do this? Are you in shape enough? If I say it, Scott’s right behind me. And we’re at one point I wish I had a camera going up and we were going after that bear in the north facing slopes. There’s still some snow. And it was some of the thickest, nastiest, just awful hillside. My knuckles had just scratches all over. There were thorns and stuff. And I look and is face down in the snow punching the ground.

Sevan Matossian (17:52):

Oh. Just because he’s so frustrated,

Rich Froning (17:53):

So pissed off. And I mean, that’s how I felt on the inside because I find logs and I’ll kind of catwalk logs up and Scott has, he is all go and NoShow. He’s going to fall off of every, there’s no balance beam or anything. He must’ve fallen 700 times when we were dragging that bear out. He just gets going and they can’t stop himself and falls. But like I said, Scott’s not going to ever say, Hey, we shouldn’t do that. He’s going to go. But it’s just funny. You turn around and he’s punching the ground. He’s got his camera in one hand and he’s just wearing out the ground. And so it’s not only physical, it’s mental. And just to know you have somebody like that, that’s going to go, there’s no question ever. The funniest part about that whole, I guess it was the second day, he’s like, Hey, all right, we do an end of the day wrap up. And that was in real time where he’s like, Hey, give me the end of the day. And I’m kind of cinching my stuff up and I’m like, it’s not the end of the day. And then as soon as I look, I see elk over his shoulder and they were straight line about a mile, mile and a half away. And I look at Matt and I’m like, we’re going. And so that actually happened the way it videoed out. And so it was cool.

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

They’re Ed, they’re a little bummed. Matt’s like a little like,

Rich Froning (19:09):

Oh, Matt wasn’t happy. Scott is, like I said, he’s in. He’s going in. And it was Matt’s day. That’s kind of the funny, we try to make it a switch where Matt becomes the main character for that day. And Matt’s come a long way. Actually, when we first went to Montana, the first time we ever went elk hunting, Matt was 99% sure he got rhabdo on the very first day. And for the next three days, just sat in

Sevan Matossian (19:31):

The tree stand from what?

Rich Froning (19:32):

We climbed a mountain with a guide. And the guide, he tried to take it easy, but the problem was I was right on his hip the whole time. And so we just kept climbing this mountain, kept climbing this mountain all the way up to the top. Well, about three quarters of the way he, he could tell Matt was slowing down a little bit. He’s like, Hey, why don’t you just hang here glass a little bit. If you watch this draw, maybe something will pop out. Me and him go back up or the guide go all the way to the top and we look on the backside of this hill. It starts getting dark. So we start coming down the hill. Well, we would walk 10 or 15 minutes and Matt would come sauntering in about five or 10 minutes later, and then we’d walk. We didn’t get back to camp until 10 o’clock that night.


And Matt all night was talking about how he thinks he’s pissing blood and the room is spinning. He’s like, I can’t. I’m like, dude, you got to eat something. You got to drink. I can’t do it. My stomach blah, blah, blah. And so I’m not kidding. For two days Matt laid the next morning he would not get out of bed. He was like, I’m going. We’d paid this money to go this first time. And me and the guide go. We come back middle of the day and the guy’s like, I can put you in a stand. So for the next two days, Matt sat in a stand and we always talk about it, but he was miserable. And so he’s, I’m

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

Surprised he went again. I’m surprised he not this time.

Rich Froning (20:48):

Yeah, no, he’s gone now. I think he went one time. We were all in the same group. He didn’t hunt really with me. This is the second time we’ve hunted together since that time. But he’s come to the gym some and actually gotten physically a little bit more physically prepared for it. So it scared him, I think that first time that, Hey, maybe I do need to do something. But

Sevan Matossian (21:11):

He’s not a CrossFitter rich.

Rich Froning (21:14):

I would say he dabbles in it. He is one of those that are hot and cold. He’ll do it for a while, get on a good kick. And then he, they’ve got a son that’s like a year old and he quit about the time bear was born, but now bear’s getting a little bit more. So he started to come and their daughter does CrossFit kids and all that type stuff. But he’s gotten a lot more physically active for sure.

Sevan Matossian (21:38):

Yeah, dude, even when I did the behind the scenes again this year, and I hadn’t done it in I don’t a few years. I trained for it just like I did the previous time. Fucking took 20 pound D ball and walked 10 miles with it.

Rich Froning (21:49):

You have to, yeah, you really have to

Sevan Matossian (21:51):

A few weeks before. Yeah, you’ll fuck yourself up. Especially if you’re not used to being on your feet. If you’re not used to being on your feet. That’s

Rich Froning (21:58):

The biggest thing. That’s a lot. What we do is we use CrossFit, just plain old CrossFit. And then about six weeks out, we’ll start getting a little bit more specific on what we’re doing. We’ll push a ton of sleds. We’ve got a StairMaster. Everybody makes fun of us for having the StairMaster. But man, it’s such a good tool. We’ll throw up a ruck on and just walk on that for 30 or 40 minutes. CrossFit can prepare you really well, but if you want that next little spot, you got to specialize just a little bit on what you’re doing. We know that. And that’s what I did with mountain biking. I did CrossFit the entire time getting ready for Leadville one a day. And then my second session that was normally a CrossFit session was just supplemented with more bike riding. And it’s the exact same way we do it with hunting.

Sevan Matossian (22:44):

What’s their master? Do you have?

Rich Froning (22:47):

I don’t even know, to be honest.

Sevan Matossian (22:50):

Is it the one bill and Katie sell?

Rich Froning (22:51):

I think so, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (22:53):

Did you get it from Rogue?

Rich Froning (22:56):

I don’t know where Josh got it, but I’m pretty sure they got it from Rogue.

Sevan Matossian (22:58):

Do you like it?

Rich Froning (23:00):

I love StairMaster. It’s actually, if you are just kind of not really feeling working out at the moment and you just hop on that thing, your heart rate immediately spikes, starts burning your legs, and you feel pretty good about moving around. Man, it’s StairMaster. It’s kind of a hidden gem. I think

Sevan Matossian (23:17):

I want one so bad. Oh shit, that one’s expensive. Yeah, it’s almost eight grand.

Rich Froning (23:21):

They’re not cheap. Yeah, they’re not cheap.

Sevan Matossian (23:24):

God, I want one so bad. You’re probably going to used one too. Craigslist that

Rich Froning (23:28):

Bitch. You use it pretty more than you would think. Like I said, if you even just hop on it for 10 minutes and get moving, it’s surprising how high your heart rate gets. Like I said, I’ll throw a ruck on and we’ll just watch a movie or something like that. TV or whatever.

Sevan Matossian (23:44):

I like it. I could just be preparing for podcasts while I’m on it. That’s why the assault bike’s so good. You can go multitask and you can get shit done. Yeah. That’s fucking cool. Hey, how do you know how to do all that cleaning stuff? How do you know how to

Rich Froning (24:00):

Practice? That’s

Sevan Matossian (24:02):

Who teaches you that? Like the EL thing, the bear? How do you know?

Rich Froning (24:06):

Yeah, guys like Dave watching YouTube videos. Really? I’ve watched a bunch of YouTube videos to do it, and then it’s just hands-on, man, and you just got to have a stomach for it, I guess. I think having the background of being a firefighter and that type of stuff doesn’t really bother me, but they’ll get some people in there that just like, I don’t want to touch that. So yeah, it’s something you got to learn. You got to have somebody, like I said, the first couple times to kind of either guide you and tell you what to do. But the best way to do, it’s just to learn to do it. And I think it’s a skill. I mean, I had never really cleaned a large animal. I’d cleaned large or smaller animals like turkeys and stuff, but the first time you got out an animal and start quartering it up, you’re kind of like, oh man, this is a skill that is actually super beneficial. If anything were to ever happen or if you’re ever out somewhere, it’s something you almost take for granted in the world we live in now that everything’s so hands off, so easy. So

Sevan Matossian (25:12):

In the video, it’s just you and Matt and then, well, I guess Scott’s there and you get the Elk.

Rich Froning (25:17):

That was the first one me and Matt had ever done by ourselves. Matt’s gutted a lot of deer, and usually around here you just gut the deer and then you take it to a processor. So that was our first kind of solo mission, I guess, with just me and Matt doing it. And so we probably took a little extra, we could have hacked off the bottom of the legs and saved some weight and things like that, but we kind of just went for it and it was cold. So yeah, that was our first. So

Sevan Matossian (25:43):

You think on the safe side, do you think you brought back more than you needed to?

Rich Froning (25:47):

Yeah, probably. Or at least pieces in larger pieces than needed to be. We could have divided it up a little bit better, and there was only three of us to get that thing out.

Sevan Matossian (25:59):

It’s so crazy that I don’t know how to do that. It’s so crazy that you could be a man on planet earth and not know how to skin an animal. When I saw you doing it, I’m like, God, that seems so weird that I don’t know how to do that.

Rich Froning (26:12):

It’s really, until you see it, you don’t really think about that, right? We’re so disconnected from everybody wants to hate on hunting and hate on that type of thing, but that eats meat. But where do you think that comes from? And the farm has helped a lot with that, I think too, is learning those types of skills or thinking about those things. And everybody wants to look at us at how we’re,

Sevan Matossian (26:41):

Are those all people who don’t eat meat?

Rich Froning (26:43):

No, that’s the problem I think. How

Sevan Matossian (26:46):

Do those people, what’s their justification? Why would you get mad at someone for hunting if you eat meat? Where do they think their meat comes from? I’m not trying to be a dick at all. No, I agree. Curious. I want to understand the mechanism or their thinking process.

Rich Froning (26:57):

They say there’s enough meat already out there that we don’t need to take more meat, which is kind of bizarre to me. So my aunt,

Sevan Matossian (27:06):

But wait a second, that doesn’t make sense. Because if those animals are, we all know those animals are abused already and have a shitty life. So if you reduce the supply on those animals,

Rich Froning (27:17):

You’re going to have to,

Sevan Matossian (27:18):

Then you help you actually. Then less animals are abused.

Rich Froning (27:22):


Sevan Matossian (27:23):

Am I thinking

Rich Froning (27:24):

Right on that? No, I think you’re thinking clearly. I have an aunt and uncle. My dad’s brother and his family are vegetarians. And so at Thanksgiving we’re like, they’re asking me questions about the hunt, and I’m kind like, this is, wait, who?

Sevan Matossian (27:37):

Someone in your family tree is a vegetarian?

Rich Froning (27:40):

Yeah. My dad’s brother’s a vegetarian. His whole family. Wow. Wow, wow. And so they’re asking legitimate, not rich

Sevan Matossian (27:47):

Sr. Has a vegetarian brother, rich, I’m processing this. Yep. The dude I know that I smoked cigarettes and drank beer with while you worked out in the

Rich Froning (27:56):

Bottom. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (27:56):

That’s him. That dude’s got vegetarian family.

Rich Froning (27:59):

Yep. Yep. My uncle Dave, his brother. All right. And I’m kind of like, at first, not awkward, but thinking I’m getting judged, but no, at no point. And then they were talking about how people at their church were talking about it and they were like, oh, we probably shouldn’t talk about this in front of you. And were like, my aunt was like, no, this is, I think hunting is 100% fine. The industry farms is the reason that they are vegetarians. So industrial farming. And so they were completely fine with it, which is, I don’t know, for me was just, it was a weird, I thought it was going to be weird and it turned out fine. So it’s cool to have those conversations. It is conversations. They know I’m not going to be a vegetarian, and I know I’m not going to force meat on ’em. And so it’s just, why can’t we just have a discussion instead of people freaking out?

Sevan Matossian (28:51):

I do have pretty, I do respect the fuck out of people who don’t want to kill things for their own existence. I think that that thought process is sound. Do you feel any emotional pain when Matt shot the animal in the video? You’re like, Hey dude, you got it. And I saw it roll down the hill and I thought, oh God, I don’t know if that part might, I might feel my tear ducts turn on if I saw a big deer roll down the hill like that.

Rich Froning (29:24):

So there’s an immediate, I think, excitement and then when you get to the animal, there’s 100%, there’s some remorse to it. There is, there’s some remorse and respect, I think at times. That is one thing that when people want to get upset about us posting or you see that emotional response, I understand them being upset about that. 100%

Sevan Matossian (29:50):

Homeboy’s done, his journey on earth is done well, as far as we know it’s done. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t dunno what happens to that. I don’t know what happens. It looks like it’s done.

Rich Froning (29:57):

It’s done. But so there’s an immediate.

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