Review of the Dave Castro Week in Review Show | November 6, 2023

Andrew Hiller (00:01):


@coffeepodsnwods (00:02):


Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Talking keto talk, what

@coffeepodsnwods (00:03):

His diet is like. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

Okay. So we’ll do the first portion at one and a quarter speed. And you tell me Pedro, I haven’t seen it yet, but you tell me when to go to 1.5 speed

@coffeepodsnwods (00:18):

From 13 minutes or 14 minutes.

Andrew Hiller (00:20):

That’s right where I got here.

Sevan Matossian (00:22):

Cheaters. You idiot. Andrew Hiller from

Andrew Hiller (00:27):


Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Andrew Hiller from Hiller Fit. Are you juiced up or not natural? Fuck. Well, but the box isn’t checked though. Not natural

Andrew Hiller (00:39):

Video coming out tomorrow on that

Sevan Matossian (00:41):

Surprise. Tomorrow you’ll find out

Andrew Hiller (00:43):

If Andrew’s not much of a surprise. The head tells you everything you got to know.

Sevan Matossian (00:46):

You’ll find out if Andrew Hiller’s natural. You think that guy? Did you see my show this morning?

Andrew Hiller (00:51):


Sevan Matossian (00:51):

All the assholes in the comments were like, ask him if he’s Natty. My god. No,

Andrew Hiller (00:56):

I would bet that he’s probably natural. He’s a freak.

Sevan Matossian (01:00):

Oh that is one of those, right? He did have some like Tony Robbins shit going on. He’s a big dude.

Andrew Hiller (01:05):

Yeah, he got a big head

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

Voice. Like Christophe Horvat is, he’s like 10% of the way to having some tism. Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (01:15):

He’s massive.

Sevan Matossian (01:16):

I bet you Christophe has a huge dong.

@coffeepodsnwods (01:19):

Welcome to the show

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

Pedro. Good to have you. Coffee pods and wads. Hello.

Andrew Hiller (01:24):

I bet he doesn’t

Sevan Matossian (01:25):


Andrew Hiller (01:29):

All about

@coffeepodsnwods (01:30):

You. Just tear him right back down.

Sevan Matossian (01:31):

Hold on a second. Fuck you Dave. You think Christophe doesn’t have you think it’s a normal dick or a small dick?

Andrew Hiller (01:37):

Normal but he’s huge so it looks smaller. So it’s just, it’s relative. It’s like bodybuilders and quads get huge. Their penis looks smaller. You ever experienced that?

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

No, but I just really disappointed. I want Christophe to have just a Coke bottle down there. That’d be

Andrew Hiller (01:54):


Sevan Matossian (01:56):


Andrew Hiller (01:57):

Like a showed. You ever hear about that? Those the worst types of penises?

Sevan Matossian (02:00):

No, not like a Coke bottle. Like a Coke bottle.

Andrew Hiller (02:04):

All the long ones?

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

Yeah, just like one of those glass ones from back in the day. Thick in the middle. Magnus, homegrown Irish guy being the sensitive person. Wow, that’s not normal. I don’t even understand that. Is that facetious?

@coffeepodsnwods (02:20):

Is that like Felicia or different?

Sevan Matossian (02:23):

Correct. Wa zombie. Pedro, come back to the states please. You need sun. Damn.

@coffeepodsnwods (02:28):

I saw a video of myself last week and I was like fuck. I am so pale. So pale.

Sevan Matossian (02:34):

I like it.

@coffeepodsnwods (02:35):


Sevan Matossian (02:37):

Translucent. Okay, we don’t have time to small talk. Let’s get to this. I have a day. So like usual we have week. This is the review of the week and review from Dave Castro. This is the premier communications that comes out of CrossFit hq. It is some of the most authentic interaction I think that any fucking corporation, anywhere on fucking planet Earth has with the world. If you don’t know Dave’s background, he is a man of profound integrity, service, complex, very, very complex life. I don’t even think anywhere has a story been told publicly, but he’s beloved even by those who can’t stand him. They love him. It is a very unique character. And this is his weekly comms as the head of the training department at CrossFit HQ and the head of the games. And he’s been there since Mossel Mannos day one. Okay. Oh, you know what I want to do really quick. Can you guys lower your, sorry speaker? Yeah, not your speaker. Your audio lower your audio to take it off automatic and lower it to 30 and make people really have to turn up their TVs.

@coffeepodsnwods (03:55):

You have a much fancier system than I do.

Sevan Matossian (03:58):

I think that’s

@coffeepodsnwods (04:01):

Probably okay. It

Sevan Matossian (04:02):

Do you guys both lower yourselves to 30? I did.

@coffeepodsnwods (04:04):

I’m lower to something. I dunno.

Sevan Matossian (04:06):

Okay, good. Alright. And let me make sure Dave is full blast and then you guys complain in the comments if you if can’t hear Dave. Good. Okay.

Speaker 4 (04:14):

Can review November 6th, 2023 at coffee pods and wads.

Sevan Matossian (04:23):

Oh wow. And Dave has his headset on.

Andrew Hiller (04:28):

Hey, I don’t think it’s working though. I

Sevan Matossian (04:31):

Think he has it on but

@coffeepodsnwods (04:33):

Yeah, he has it on like John Yung has it

Sevan Matossian (04:35):

On. Right, right. Okay. It’s

Andrew Hiller (04:36):

Recording through the computer.

Sevan Matossian (04:38):

Yeah, that’s too bad. Alright,

Speaker 4 (04:41):

How many athletes have been tested as calendar gear by CrossFit and do you think this number should can be increased to similar levels to other sports?

Sevan Matossian (04:48):

The question was, I have it sped up. It was kind of hard to understand. That’s not helping. Are you testing? Basically Pedro asked him, put him on the spot. Are you testing enough athletes? Here we go, you dickhead Pedro, what

Speaker 4 (05:04):

Did you that question? I dunno what similar levels are to other sports today. So I don’t know what that represents. Why don’t you come back and tell me how many people are tested in other sports and specifically the other sports that you are referring to? Because I don’t know what other sports you might have in mind. I do think we could probably increase the number of people we test. It’s not cheap, it’s not easy. I would like to test way more people, but there are a lot of constraints and a lot of restrictions or a lot of financial implications in making a decision like that. But I would like to see the testing increase. We do a lot of testing, we do a lot of out of season testing. Regardless of how much we do at this point, I still like to see an environment where we had more and maybe we will get to a place where that is possible.

Sevan Matossian (05:47):

On the thread we’re on today, someone said that there’s been only 13 out of season tests in CrossFit and I don’t know if that number’s accurate or not accurate, but on top of that, so then we looked at the UFCs had 2,750.

@coffeepodsnwods (06:03):

If you scroll down, I commented some numbers to him, but I dunno if you’d read it, but I gave that one the UFC tennis golf.

Sevan Matossian (06:11):

But all of that being said, I’m completely happy with his answer. We just don’t have the money to do it. And here’s the reason why. I’m happy. They sell $10 billion worth of golf balls, golf balls, golf balls a year, golf balls 10 billion. The UFC I’m sure is worth over $5 billion, maybe $10 billion and they do 2,700 tests in CrossFit. You have to guess the revenue’s, let’s say a hundred million a year at max. So I am perfectly okay with the testing. And let me put a caveat to that too. I don’t give a shit anyway. Hiller thoughts on testing? Are they testing enough? Do you like his excuse that we just don’t have enough money? I mean that’s what he said, right? We just don’t have enough money to test more. He said, I want to test more. We don’t have the money in a gentle way.

Andrew Hiller (07:06):

I think you said it on your show this morning, the how you do anything is how you do everything statement. I don’t remember what it was in relation to, but all I can think about is what seemed to be going mile for them to get someone to go record with Tyson and how hard it was to get that one piece of content out on Tyson. And now they had to do it by five in relation to the drug testing, which every single time they drug test these people, they never catch anybody. And the only thing that would make

Sevan Matossian (07:38):

That’s not true. That’s not true. They catch people out of

Andrew Hiller (07:40):

Season. What’s the last big name athlete you think has gotten caught out of season?

Sevan Matossian (07:44):

I don’t know, but they catch people. I don’t know if it’s out of season or in season, but they do catch people.

Andrew Hiller (07:49):

Yeah, they catch random people who finished 15,000 in the open.

Sevan Matossian (07:55):

They got Ricky.

Andrew Hiller (07:57):

Yeah, they got him at the games though. That was not a season. Okay. That was in 2017. He’s probably the last big name person to have gotten caught, if not the only big name person to have gotten caught. They didn’t

Sevan Matossian (08:06):

Catch Joe Montana. They didn’t catch Joe Montana.

Andrew Hiller (08:09):

I think it comes down to the testing agency, the type of tests they’re doing. And the only thing that would be better is if they were to test all 40, which we know that they can’t do. So no

Sevan Matossian (08:17):

Matter why can’t they do it because of money. That’s what I’m saying. Do you tolerate their excuse? Let me ask you this. Let’s say it costs $5,000 to test an athlete. It’s the excuse.

Andrew Hiller (08:27):

I don’t even hear it as an excuse. It’s just it is. It’s

@coffeepodsnwods (08:29):

How much do we know how much it’s

Sevan Matossian (08:30):

To test? I’m just wondering, are you critical of HQ for not doing enough testing? Because here’s the solution. Why don’t we take a hundred thousand dollars away from first place and do 10 more tests or let’s say we can do 20 more tests, that’s it for a hundred thousand dollars. Are we willing to do that? I say fuck that. Fuck no. Keep price

Andrew Hiller (08:50):

Money high. I say no as well. I say you’re probably better off doing none. Oh.

Sevan Matossian (08:55):

Oh shit. Oh shit. Dan’s fucking people up. Yeah, Hiller, take that Jason Smith big name,

Andrew Hiller (09:02):

Right? That’s good. Where was he caught? He was caught at the semi-final. That was not in season though.

Sevan Matossian (09:07):

Yeah. Why does that matter? What’s the implication of getting caught in season or out of season? Why are you tion when

Andrew Hiller (09:13):

It’s in season? They’re all at the event. You can get as many as you want and they still don’t take as many as they could. And when it’s out of season, they’ve got to get a drug tester to the place and schedule it with the athlete. So doing time and travel

Sevan Matossian (09:25):

And what you’re saying is that’s a more valid test because they don’t know it’s coming. And of course everyone with a IQ over 10 can avoid getting popped at the event because they know it’s coming. That’s why you’re saying there’s a difference though. Correct.

Andrew Hiller (09:38):

It’s that who came up to me who I claimed of using performance enhancing drugs at the games that chick ro the masters or Masters, yeah. And she goes, I tested negative here. And I go, well fucking duh.

Sevan Matossian (09:52):

Right? What Pedro, do you any Pedro, are you okay with this? With his, are we still, I guess what I sense that in our thread, I sense that people were being critical that CrossFit’s not doing enough and I just don’t think they have enough money and I’m like, yeah,

@coffeepodsnwods (10:09):

Fuck it. They don’t have enough money. But I suppose it would alleviate a lot of noise if they could test people more. It would appease a lot of people who would quieten a lot of people down.

Sevan Matossian (10:20):

Well let’s ask Hiller that. I don’t think I agree with that either. I think even if they tested, look at the Olympics, people are like, you don’t do what the Olympics do and everyone’s still critical as fuck of the Olympics,

Andrew Hiller (10:30):


@coffeepodsnwods (10:30):

True. But it’s the expense thing. So I heard that they tested an athlete that was visiting another gym, so it is not too difficult for them to keep an eye. Athletes are very obvious about where they’re going and when they’re going, they’re very open on social media and stuff, especially the big ones. So it’d be pretty easy to find out like, oh shit, we’ve got a tester based in fucking Seattle and Athlete X is going to Seattle. Let’s organize that instead of like, oh, let’s get the person travel from Seattle over to fucking Florida for

Andrew Hiller (11:03):

Hell in Seattle.

@coffeepodsnwods (11:06):

Yeah. I dunno. Like you say, I never thought about that, about people can skip tests or fake tests or whatever, get away with things, workarounds get different, whatever they need to take that won’t be traceable and stuff, so maybe it won’t. I just think five is a very low number throughout a season, you’d nearly prefer more out of season testing rather than not semifinals and games because you can, I don’t know much about it, but I’m assuming you can taper off far enough away to a semifinal that you could be clean at the semifinal, but you could have been juiced in February

Andrew Hiller (11:39):

Or March yesterday. I would’ve passed a drug test.

@coffeepodsnwods (11:43):

Why’d you say yesterday

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

And action.

Speaker 4 (11:49):

And maybe we’ll do it next year at Cedric Getty. Hey Dave, thanks for your comments for the open. Is it time to ditch the specific layouts? These can be quite difficult for gyms, pending space, et cetera. I appreciate that Quarters and semifinals might require more standardization for the three weeks. Is it really necessary? Great comment, great point. We are definitely taking a look at evaluating the necessity of those layouts.

@coffeepodsnwods (12:11):

He didn’t say that from I comment.

Sevan Matossian (12:14):

So what’s the question here? Hey, can we have a little wiggle room for the layouts for the open? Yeah,

@coffeepodsnwods (12:18):

I know they have the tape and specific diameters or whatever. Can you get rid of that?

Andrew Hiller (12:24):

Last year the biggest thing was the, oh,

Sevan Matossian (12:26):

Sorry, go. No, no, you go ahead. Go ahead.

Andrew Hiller (12:28):

It was the shuttle runs and I remember I tried to talk about what, there was a person who put up their video for review and there’s 50 athletes doing shuttle runs in a narrow corridor. It’s like, which one is it?

Sevan Matossian (12:43):

So the expense thing was an excuse for the last 10 years. I know it’s valid, but still, here’s the thing, and Dave has alluded to this a thousand times, the games grew too fast. The games grew too fast. They grew it fucking a million times faster. Go back and look at pro football or basketball. They didn’t have the subsidies that this fucking sport had. This sport fucking exploded onto the scene. Expect why is that? Because the expectations are massive and those

@coffeepodsnwods (13:14):

Expect So they’re no infrastructure? No. Is that what you

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

Mean? No, we were able to grow something that couldn’t pay for itself. It’s kind of like ESPN. There’s a book about the founders of ESPN. It’s called ESPN. Those guys have all the fun or something. And that was 30 years of Getty money of just straight oil money being pumped into ESPN. That thing was a fucking complete disaster for its first 30 years. It was nothing but siphoning off cash. This idea that you could fucking play sports 24 hours a day on a network, but they had oil money and this fucking sport had affiliate money. You have to remember all Greg was selling was a fucking ip. The CrossFit’s not producing anything. People are just fucking dumping fucking cash to take a fucking L one and put a sign on their door. This thing’s a cash cow. It’s not selling m and ms and so

Andrew Hiller (14:08):

Not yet.

Sevan Matossian (14:09):

So just take that into, not yet. They will have the CrossFit m and m. So just so you know, take that into expense. I mean understanding that the excuse is valid. And I know you weren’t attacking Allegra, you’re just giving perspective, but I just wanted to add that on there. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (14:28):

Are there specific movements that you steer away from in competitions or qualifiers due to difficulty maintaining movement standards? Example, I think pushups are great for training, but terrible for competitions. I’m afraid deadlifting is trending that direction as well. Well for sure. Your example pushups is a great one. We actually use it in the open once we’ve done it in the games a number of times, specifically with Murph, pushups is really hard to judge. So here’s the deal, we did it in the open and then after the

Sevan Matossian (14:51):

He’s saying, are there movements you don’t use because they’re too hard to judge

Speaker 4 (14:55):

Open. Stop doing it because it is incredibly hard to judge and standardize the range of motion visually so a judge can make a good call also. But at the games a few years later, even after we had in the open, we felt comfortable bringing it there. It was a way more controlled environment, meaning we have a few hundred athletes or a hundred athletes that’s than a hundred athletes on the individual side. But in the open we have several hundred thousand. So doing the pushups in the games with more with a tighter field and with our judges we felt comfortable doing even then it’s still a really challenging movement to do at that level. So something like pushups is definitely challenging. In regards to other movements, I steer away from the competitions like look, I’m a purist, I’m an old school. So I bias towards, and I’ve said this in other weekend reviews or other platforms, the core concepts and the core principles of CrossFit basically steer how I program and how I create the test and how anyone who’s creating a test like this or programming like this to find the fittest in the world should program.


And fundamentally we use movements that move large loads, long distances and quickly. And so when you break those aspects down, movements that generate power, high expressions allow the athletes to have high expressions of power. Something like the Turkish get up doesn’t move, it moves a relatively small load relative to what athletes can do a long distance. We’ll give it that, but not quickly. So two of the three right there, it doesn’t fulfill large loads, no long distance, yes, quickly, no. So that’s a movement I typically wouldn’t use. Now of course you could apply that to a few other odd movements or for an example, I’m not a huge fan of man makers and basically because it falls into that, it’s not a large load, it’s not a super long distance and it’s not quickly. Now here’s the thing to that, there’s still great training movements, there’s still good things to do.


I’m not against Turkish shadows, I’m not against man makers, I’m just kind of against having them in competitions, especially in a competition, especially like the games where as many events that we do have, there’s still super limited amounts of opportunity to have a wide variety of movements that are super impactful. And what I mean by that is anytime we put something in like a trigger, she get up or a command maker to use this. Two examples, something else is being left out, meaning maybe a snatch is being left out, maybe a back spot is being left out, maybe bar muscle up. So movements that are effective at moving large loads, long distances and quickly. So there’s a compromise and when you make that decision, something is out. And so that’s why I bias more towards those core movements. That being said, there are always exceptions to the rules and there’s always a reason to kind of break the mold and have something unique, but definitely not too many of those or not on a regular five movements like that. So if you end up seeing if get up in the games once, then I’d really like to see everything else in that same year have more of the core concepts and the core movements supported.

Sevan Matossian (17:48):

So the question, do you avoid using certain movements for competition? He says yes. And then he explains a bunch of different reasons. One of the principle ones was the size of the competition. You’re not going to use something like a pushup maybe in the open where you have fucking a hundred thousand judges and fucking 500,000 participants and it’s just going to get squirly. But you might use it at the games where you can control it. You can still do Murph and you can put more pressure on the judges and on the participants and you can up the level of quality control. That being said, then it goes into some other shit, which I found fascinating thoughts on that. And I would love to see, I mean me personally, I’d love to see a one rep, a max Turkish getup at the games.

@coffeepodsnwods (18:27):

They do that at Water Palooza like

Sevan Matossian (18:29):

They did with the bag lift. Go ahead Pedro.

@coffeepodsnwods (18:31):

They did that at Waterloo 10 years ago or 11 years ago or something. Turkish one rep, max Turkish getup with a barbell. They post it a week ago, a throwback

Sevan Matossian (18:41):

I’D to see like to

@coffeepodsnwods (18:42):

It with it’s, it’s on their page, even know Caleb, but it’s on their Instagram page. The thing is, if you start removing things that are hard to judge, then you narrow so much what you can test. Think of all the videos that Hitler’s made. Most of the videos that he’s made are consistently hard to judge or maybe not necessarily hard to judge, but harder to do correctly by the large population of people. So ring muscles up are a thing you often see no rep videos on and they’re, if you walk into a gym, you’ll often see someone. Another thing that I consistently see on Instagram is wall walks like the moving the foot before the hand or moving the hand before the foot, whatever. Every fucking time I see someone do a wall walk, they do it at least one incorrectly. So if you start wiping out stuff like that, like, oh, that’s too hard to judge, that’s too hard to judge. Deadlifts are too hard to judge. The pushups are too hard to judge. If you start removing everything, you’re really narrowing the possibility of movements for the open. And I think as well as anything else, you’re taking hiller’s fodder away from him where it’s just like, oh shit, there’s next.

Sevan Matossian (19:45):

Get long to do that though. Do you think mean, are you being critical of that?

@coffeepodsnwods (19:49):

I think getting rid of, I think leave the stuff

Sevan Matossian (19:50):

Or do you think it’s okay to get rid of it?

@coffeepodsnwods (19:52):

No, I think leave the stuff.

Sevan Matossian (19:53):

Oh, leave it.

@coffeepodsnwods (19:54):

I think leave it and leave it up to you need to improve the quality of standards in the affiliates and you need to be harsh. I remember having a conversation with hitter about at his house and he was like, just ask why, just ask. Why are you letting that person away with that no rep or ask why is the person doing and not valid rep? And it just forces the person to say, well shit, I didn’t realize I was doing it, or well fuck you and then you have your answer either way. But I just think narrowing the field too much just, I dunno. I’d rather see wall walks and watch a hitter video about it than never see wall walks in the open.

Sevan Matossian (20:31):

Andrew, any thoughts on what Dave’s saying?

Andrew Hiller (20:34):

I think what’s interesting is I think that the question was asked in the light of movement standards and he started to go into the root of prescription about why or why not they would be there and brought up the large loads over long distances and how quickly and how much power you could get out of those movements and why a Turkish getup wouldn’t make any sense because the only thing it accomplishes perhaps a large load and the difference between that and a set bunch of dead lifts is how much power you can get out of it. And it kind of seemed like he didn’t answer the question, but he gave an interesting response. And I still want to know why he wouldn’t put pushups in the open night. He brought 2012 and he never really said why, other than perhaps it’s hard to judge, but so is it. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (21:22):

That is the reason. That’s the sole reason

Andrew Hiller (21:24):

Somebody sent me a video of a deadlift today.

Sevan Matossian (21:26):

That’s the sole reason though. He said it, Andrew. That’s the sole reason that no pushups in the open. I mean I’m being hyperbolic here, but no pushups in the open because they’re hard to judge and we don’t want to deal with a hundred thousand different variations on it with a hundred thousand different judges. But at the games, even though it’s hard to judge with fewer judges and fewer athletes, we think we can do it. I mean that was the answer he gave.

Andrew Hiller (21:49):

How about what Pedro just said though? Because if you got rid of pushups, you should get rid of deadlifts and you probably should also get rid of power cleans because I just saw a bunch of power cleans at the mentation where there are judges right there and they weren’t reps.

Sevan Matossian (22:01):

Well. Do you think that those are all equally hard to judge? That’s what it would come down to if you want to use Dave’s criteria. Do you think that in the order of power, clean deadlift and air squat, which one’s the hardest to judge? Or do you think they’re all equally hard to judge or equally easy to judge? I don’t care

Andrew Hiller (22:17):

How you were. Depends where sports set, because there was a point in time where the power clean was easy to judge, and now the athletes are all letting the bar fly off of their shoulders before they hit hip extension and their elbows are behind the bar before they’ve hit hip extension because they’re so proficient at it and they’re trying to get to the next rep as fast as possible and they watch froning do singles for a year. So they’re all doing singles, but you just got to be firm about what a pushup is and then you’ve got to be ready to dish out the penalties, which they don’t do in the open

Sevan Matossian (22:45):

Or in the quarterfinals.

Andrew Hiller (22:47):

And I suppose everyone’s getting away with power cleans now, which we saw at Rogue and then not everyone, I would say probably a third of the athletes were doing repetitions that weren’t finished. And then the deadlift, a games athlete today sent me a video of another games athlete doing deadlifts.

@coffeepodsnwods (23:04):

I love

Andrew Hiller (23:05):

It. And I’m like, this is great.

Sevan Matossian (23:08):

Sle. TDC uses a lot of words and still never fully answers the question. I think he fully answered. It’s the thing. Here’s the thing, I think first of all there, there’s a secrecy behind what he’s, he’s not going to say, Hey, we’re never going to do pushups. I think he answered the question very clearly. I think he basically said, Hey, here’s the criteria we use. Could there be exceptions? Yes, but he answered the question specifically. He’s not going to be, Hey, these are the eight fucking moves that you’re going to always see in the open.

@coffeepodsnwods (23:34):

He answered the question specifically and then after that he went off on a tangent about the why behind choosing specific movements. But he did say at the start, big field, hard to judge small field at the games. Maybe that was basically what he said.

Sevan Matossian (23:47):

Yeah, and I’m not saying whether you like the answer or not. It’s right. I mean, Hiller’s saying that, he’s like, where do you stop with that? But you still got an answer, don’t you think? Killer.

Andrew Hiller (23:57):

What? We got an answer. I think we got an answer. It’s just more long-winded than where you used to from him

Sevan Matossian (24:03):

Anyway. I like the tangent too. I never thought of the Turkish getup like that, but okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (24:07):

So that’s my thoughts on that topic.

Sevan Matossian (24:11):

Oh, I do not like a plastic bottle to Petco. Fuck.

Andrew Hiller (24:15):

Hey, this dude drinks so much water.

Speaker 4 (24:17):

You end with saying, I’m afraid deadlifting is trending that direction as well. I don’t know if it is. I still think it’s an appropriate movement for competition. It is challenging, especially with people still being leaned forward over the bar. So it’s definitely one that we are looking at and considering at the individual competitions where you have a, they call it a more experienced judge, I think it’s fine. It’s still still some issue there, but I think it’s still okay to have lightweight deadlift is really where it becomes driving lightweight. People just rep it out so fast. Heavier deadlifts typically aren’t ripped out as quickly.

Sevan Matossian (24:48):

Yeah, I think I was going to bring that up earlier. I think speed’s also a problem. I think a lot of us who aren’t games athletes don’t realize how fucking fast the top 1% are moving and that it really does make judging a different, I dunno, a different sport. Sport of its own.

Andrew Hiller (25:05):

I don’t think Dave realizes that the world watches them move that fast, not getting no rep, so everyone tries to get away with it.

Sevan Matossian (25:12):

Yeah, fair.

Andrew Hiller (25:14):

I think Dave probably realizes that, but he is not saying it.

Sevan Matossian (25:17):

I understood what you meant. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:19):

Usage of that movement. Good question. I enjoy that one. Tyler.

Sevan Matossian (25:24):

I don’t believe that

@coffeepodsnwods (25:25):

He’s fucking said that to the last two questions and he didn’t say why

Sevan Matossian (25:27):

I don’t think care what? That he enjoys the question. He doesn’t enjoy any questions. Get the fuck up

@coffeepodsnwods (25:31):

If he says it after the next question. I swear to fuck

Speaker 4 (25:33):

Aris. Dave, how do you manage your professional duties and CrossFit leadership intersecting with your personal relationships with folks such as semi? Great

@coffeepodsnwods (25:40):


Sevan Matossian (25:41):

Oh shit. Who asked that?

@coffeepodsnwods (25:45):

No, he did say go back.

Sevan Matossian (25:47):

That is such a fucking, are you fucking kidding me?

@coffeepodsnwods (25:51):

He talks a lot about this.

Sevan Matossian (25:53):

What are the fucking implications that you would be friends with me? That would be a problem. You fucking scumbag Who asked that? God, I hope this isn’t someone I like

Speaker 4 (26:03):

At Tyler Riss. Dave, how do you manage your professional duties?

Sevan Matossian (26:07):

Is that a Chinese dude? Tyler Ching at

@coffeepodsnwods (26:09):

Tyler Watkins?

Sevan Matossian (26:11):

Oh, is it Watkins? No,

@coffeepodsnwods (26:12):

It’s not. It’s not. It’s not.

Speaker 4 (26:13):

CrossFit leadership intersecting with your personal relationships with folks such ass.

Sevan Matossian (26:18):

What the fuck does that mean? Just

@coffeepodsnwods (26:20):

Listen to fucking ex dicks.

Sevan Matossian (26:22):

He’s not allowed to interact with guys who have fucking monster Coke, bottled dongs.

Andrew Hiller (26:27):

God, this Coke Bottled Dong Top. That’s what I named

Speaker 4 (26:30):

Thiss has been a friend for almost a couple decades now for as long as I’ve, not as long as I’ve worked CrossFit, but for very long. I mean, I met him during the second games, so around that timeframe. And we’ve been friends since then. We’ve been close friends since then. Obviously with the changes of leadership. A few years ago he lost his job with CrossFit. He went and did his own thing. Actually he didn’t do anything for a while. Still close friends with him. Then he started doing his,

Sevan Matossian (26:54):

I can’t believe our friendship survived that why? I mean, our friendship was around CrossFit. And so when I didn’t work at CrossFit, I seriously thought, well, why would I ever fucking call him again? Why would he call me? I don’t want to fucking talk to you. We don’t talk about parenting or football or we don’t like any of, I don’t do shooting. I’m a fucking a dirt twirler. He’s a fucking fucking farmer. Mexican farmer. He’s a rancher.

Andrew Hiller (27:21):

Hey man, I believe you.

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

But we stayed friends. We still called and just talked for an hour every day. What

Andrew Hiller (27:27):

You told me once, we wouldn’t even be friends if I didn’t make YouTube

Sevan Matossian (27:29):

Videos. Yeah, probably not. We wouldn’t have

Andrew Hiller (27:31):

Anything to talk about.

Sevan Matossian (27:32):

And I go, well, now we got football. Now I’m a Chicago Bears fan. It’s all fucked up. Our relationship’s. Taking a weird turn

Speaker 4 (27:38):

Podcast, still a close friend with him and it’s just separate. I’m friends with him and then I have my CrossFit job, but I don’t, I’m not going to compromise my friendship just over or I’m not going to say, Hey, I can’t be your friend. Although he takes stabs at us sometimes. Although he’s doing a podcast about CrossFit at this point, I don’t think he’s done anything that I would feel like, Hey dude, I can’t be a friend him. What would that look like? Him directly coming after me. Hey, that wouldn’t be what I’d expect out of a friend. And he doesn’t do that. And there’s a line he could cross with CrossFit where I’d be like, dude, what the fuck are you saying that for? What are you doing? I’ve actually done that a few times. I will say,

Sevan Matossian (28:18):

Yeah, he has, if he watched more of my podcasts, he’d probably do it to me every day. Slap me around every day. I want to tell you guys something. I said it in the last show, for those of you who know, there’s nothing Dave could do to break my trust. He could steal my car and tell me he didn’t do it. And then I see him driving around and I would still trust him. There’s my parents, my mom and dad taught me to love everybody. That was the essence of my fucking raising, to fucking treat people how you want to be treated. And I really want to be treated with love. And I just love, one of my favorite pastimes is loving people. Then Dave came along and Dave unfucked me, and he taught me something about integrity. You can’t love someone at the cost of your integrity.


And I had to rework what it meant to love someone, what it meant to be nice to someone. I’m not one of these people that’s like, Hey, you don’t have to love everyone. For me, I do have to find a way. I’m pure. I’m my bests when I love everybody. And so even people I don’t like, I’m like, fuck, how am I going to fucking squeeze them into the love bubble? But what Dave taught me if to understand this at fucking 40 years old or 45 years old, 35 years old, whenever the fuck he started teaching me about integrity. Integrity means when you don’t lie. When you don’t kind of pinch. And my wife was always trying to teach me that, but it didn’t sink in until Dave because nice people are lying. Motherfuckers lying, lying motherfuckers. I need to clip that.

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