Review of TDC WIR 12/18/23 – Did Dave start a war?

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Doing that. Five.

Brian Spin (00:02):


Sevan Matossian (00:03):

The Savon podcast. The Savon podcast. Where is it? The Savon podcast? Yeah. Somewhere back. Oh, it’s up there. And Barbell Spin Brian Spin from the barbell Spin. Good to have you. Thanks for doing this late night for you, huh?

Brian Spin (00:16):

Hey, no problem. Happy to be here.

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

And oh, maybe my mic is off because I have the wrong settings on. Oh, I do have the wrong settings. Better.

Brian Spin (00:28):

It’s clear. Just turn it up a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (00:30):

There you go. There you go. Thank you. I knew something was wrong. I went to the movies today. I went and saw Trolls three with my kids and I started talking back to the screen. The movie theater was empty. I was like, oh, holy shit. And I was like doing that and I’ve never done that in a movie theater before

Brian Spin (00:55):

Getting old.

Sevan Matossian (00:56):

No, it’s my blackness coming out. Oh,

Brian Spin (00:58):


Sevan Matossian (00:59):

Settled in. You been movie? You ever gone to the movies in all Black Neighborhood where you’re the only person and they talk to the screen? Right? Oh

Brian Spin (01:07):


Sevan Matossian (01:08):


Brian Spin (01:09):

I didn’t go to the actual movie, but in that theater it was was it me’s, whatever show and it just came out and the line was, we were the minority there for sure.

Sevan Matossian (01:23):

The show and you made it into the theater.

Brian Spin (01:24):

It was a different movie. But yeah, it was definitely an interesting experience.

Sevan Matossian (01:29):

Yeah, and I was talking to this screen and shit and answering my cell phone. I was I culturally appropriated. Well, I mean it would’ve been, except I know Save on, save on Went and saw the movie. My kids love seeing that side of me. I think that shirt proves that you are not black. No, I heard that. This video, Courtney, I heard that. We’re going, go ahead. Caleb Ogle. I heard that. Dave’s, I’m going to be going to war tonight. I’ve gotten some warnings. So I put on my war shirt.

Brian Spin (02:03):

I am very curious to hear what you have to say.

Sevan Matossian (02:06):

I’m putting on my war shirt and Caleb’s put on his jacket.

Brian Spin (02:14):


Sevan Matossian (02:15):

Caleb’s here. Brian Spin is here. I am here. This is the week in review of the Dave Castro week in review. Dave is the voice of CrossFit hq and I am the voice of all of CrossFit after I plagiarize from the fastest source for CrossFit news in the space, the barbell spin. There’s not even a close second place, it’s just him and then a bunch of plagiarizer

Brian Spin (02:41):

If they even could try to do that.

Sevan Matossian (02:42):

I do. I’m fucking great at it. Plagiarize the

Brian Spin (02:44):

Fuck. I know you do. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (02:46):

Plagiarize the

Brian Spin (02:47):

Fuck. Go for it.

Sevan Matossian (02:49):

Josh Bray Sevy is half black, half Anglo, half Hispanic. Caleb, by the end of the show, I want you to, I want to know if that’s legit math right there. Half black, half Anglo, half Hispanic. You don’t have to answer quickly, but get some pencil and paper and find out.

Caleb Beaver (03:06):

I’ll think about it. Long division here.

Sevan Matossian (03:07):


Brian Spin (03:08):

Do some math checks out. It’s about a good spelling.

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

This shirt. We should do a spelling bee. Someone’s idea was that we should do a spelling bee. The Illuminati spelling bee.

Caleb Beaver (03:23):


Sevan Matossian (03:24):

And hey, you know what? We should all come on the show. We should do that. And we should all be wearing masks so no one can see who’s who.

Caleb Beaver (03:31):

Ski mask.

Sevan Matossian (03:32):

Holy shit. This shirt was not a 50% off. This shirt was $155 at the Scottsdale Mall. And actually now that I think about it, the lady said since it was my first purchase there, I could get 15% off. Okay, so this one’s going to be, for some reason, I guess Dave gets a little squirly here. I don’t know what he says exactly, but a bunch of people have called me and texted me and been like, oh shit. This says we can review. Greg competing with us. Okay. Alright. My thoughts competing with us. I wonder what that means. Greg competing with us. My thoughts, all of oil update and other comments. We’ll give this a thumbs up before maybe I have some Ill will told towards the old TDC. Have you guys listened to it?

Brian Spin (04:29):


Sevan Matossian (04:31):

Not. What do you think? Spin? Is he aggressive? Am I wearing the right shirt? Am I ready to go to war?

Brian Spin (04:35):

It’s why I said yes to come on this show.

Sevan Matossian (04:38):

Oh wow. Okay.

Brian Spin (04:39):

I wanted to hear what you had to say firsthand.

Sevan Matossian (04:41):

Firsthand. Okay. Alright. Oh shit. Historic fit and Woke Castro. Normally I would just get really pissed at you for saying that, but I’m going to let that one slide. Mike Pool. Boy, the last time I worked out in an affiliate a couple weeks ago, Mike was my partner. See how I said that? How I worded that? I was working out at the local affiliate recently with Bull Boy Stevon looks like a homeless Leonard from the Big Bang Theory with that shirt on.

Caleb Beaver (05:10):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (05:12):

How come? I’m always homeless. Oh, is that Leonard?

Caleb Beaver (05:19):

Yeah. On the right here.

Sevan Matossian (05:20):

I’ll take it. Basically Dave said, blame Greg. Blame Greg For what?

Brian Spin (05:32):

We’ll let you watch this

Sevan Matossian (05:34):

First. Oh, this is going to be good. Holy shit. I don’t know. I don’t know if that spoils. It blames him for what? Because the implications would be that if there’s something to blame Greg for that, Dave also thinks that there’s something wrong.


TDC, the Dave Castro continues the goodwill dump. Hey, how about all this shit that’s coming out? I guess I haven’t gone over there and looked, but I guess Romans, I guess that really attractive blonde lady that hangs out with Roman isn’t just his translator, but it’s his agent, which would then explain that. Well, when I had Roman on the show, so much of the shit wasn’t getting translated properly. She was kind of manipulating it to make him look the way she thought he should look, even though she claims she never has done that. But now there’s this big, I guess there’s a lot of eyeballs on Roman and what he said, how exciting for Roman.

Brian Spin (06:33):

You mean when he spoke for 10 minutes and then she answered in 30 seconds that she was summarizing and

Sevan Matossian (06:39):

That everywhere Roman supposedly said that Adler touched him or hit him or bumped him. But when I asked him face to face on the show supposedly he said no, but I’m pretty sure he said yes, but my Russians not so good. Oh shit. Dan Guerrero. Dave trying to secure that bag of cash. Alright, here we go guys. Maybe your mic is off because of your outfit. Maybe your mic is off. Is my mic on? Can you guys hear me okay?

Brian Spin (07:08):

No, you’re good. Sound good?

Sevan Matossian (07:09):

All right. I look good. I sound good. I don’t look fucking homeless. Fuck you. But it seems to be a theme. No one’s ever like you look like big bird. It’s like you look like homeless, big bird. No one’s ever like you look like Al Pacino. It’s always like you look like homeless Al Pacino. It’s like fucking, Hey dude. I just be just a, all right. Hey, Mr. Sloppy, how are you? Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (07:36):

Can review December 18th, 2023. Jumping into comments. Tony Minola 9 5 1 5, he’s CrossFit HQ or yourself concerned about Greg Glassman starting a new CrossFit company after his non-compete is up in August. So we haven’t talked about it at all. There hasn’t been any leadership discussions on this topic. Am I worried about it? No. I think

Sevan Matossian (08:11):

When he says we haven’t talked about it, does he mean him and Greg haven’t talked about it or him and people at HQ haven’t talked about it?

Brian Spin (08:22):

I took it as him and HQ have not been talking about

Sevan Matossian (08:26):

It. Okay. And then my next question would be or comment would be, well, of course you’re not worried about it, then you’d have fucking two companies you could work for. Fucking you’re titillated, you’re excited, but here we go. People at HQ Clock says, okay, so no one at HQ has talked about it. Okay. Alright, here we go. Tell me if it echos again. I’m not going to mute myself. I’m just going to keep the volume low. Let’s see. Here we go.

Speaker 4 (08:53):

Let’s do, I don’t think I know Greg. I still talk to him. Haven’t spent a lot of time with him recently. We’ve both been really busy. I think he’s really happy. I don’t think he wants to compete with CrossFit on a fitness level. And here’s one of the reasons why I say that. Even prior to Greg selling

Sevan Matossian (09:13):

Greg, Greg has straight up said on this show several times that if anyone wanted to start some sort of business that involves the affiliates, that he would help them. He would be in support of that, what that means or looks like. But I do think that the other part is accurate. What Dave said, that Greg has made it seem like he has no plans to lead. Something like that. But also maybe Greg’s just saying that because his non-compete is not up yet. I dunno. It’s also weird how much he has talked about it. He’s being more vocal than ever around the $1,500 increase. His whole thing was, Hey, these fucking people had the NSCA, your biggest enemy up against the ropes and they let them go and now they want more money from you. That’s weird. I mean, that’s kind of a nail in the coffin. That’s a hard one to push back on.

Brian Spin (10:09):

Yeah, I noticed that he was talking more bluntly about CrossFit and how it’s being managed and run lately, which I thought was interesting.

Sevan Matossian (10:20):

The organization that was spreading lies about CrossFit that’s been cited 500 times or whatever, that it’s dangerous CrossFit had against the ropes and that only hurts the affiliates. CrossFit HQ had them against the ropes and could have taken them out of existence forever. And instead, CrossFit HQ took money from them that they did not give to the affiliates. That’s a really fucking strong point. Here we go.

Speaker 4 (10:53):

CrossFit. The last few years leading up to that, I feel like he had moved on from fitness in his mind. He’d been there, he’d done that, he’d solved the fitness dilemma, and he was really intrigued by and dedicating his time to the science, the science path, and the flawed science and broken science and all the stuff he’s doing there, educating people on why consensus science really isn’t science and all the topics related to that.

Sevan Matossian (11:20):

Yeah, a hundred percent. Greg said that, Hey, I’m swimming upstream. This was just fucking, I’m paraphrasing and being a little hyperbolic, but this fitness stuff is just baby stuff that was prepping me for the big picture.

Speaker 4 (11:32):

And so that’s where his passion was, even as he owned and was running CrossFit and to this day, that realm has taken more of his focus and interest. So

Sevan Matossian (11:44):

Greg, all of his focus and all of his interest, I don’t hear him really talking. The only time I ever hear him talking about fitness at all is when he’s on this show and people ask questions

Speaker 4 (11:53):

Coming back to call it the fitness world and creating a fitness entity to compete with us. The Greg I know I just don’t think is interested in going down that road or going that route.

Sevan Matossian (12:06):

I will say this, Greg is looking for an audience that he can share these tools with and this audience and this community is always very excited to hear from the creator Greg Glassman. And he knows that these people, one of the reasons they liked them is because he held the middle finger up in the air to the world and people like that. And it doesn’t hurt the fact that we just had all this propaganda for 9 billion people to take drugs from Pfizer and Greg was against it and they were looking for a hero. So I think Greg has transcended, I think the affiliates and Greg have transcended the quote fitness space. A lot of them have. Do you agree with that?

Brian Spin (12:51):

Yes. And I guess my question is do the affiliates need help on the actual fitness piece of it? Everybody can teach the movements. There’s a way to teach the fitness easily, but if you have 10,000 affiliates that are helping spread Craig’s new passion or what he’s really focusing on now, it expands. It kind of takes what he did in 2019 when he blew it up and was just focused on health and he got the doctors involved,

Sevan Matossian (13:33):

The corruption, the ills of modern medicine. Yeah, right.

Brian Spin (13:36):

Now you take it and you flip it and that’s the most important piece, but there’s also this fitness component that’s with it, and you bring people in both from that direction, almost opposite way of what CrossFit’s doing now.

Sevan Matossian (13:48):

Hey, it’s kind of like I’m getting ready to sell toothpaste to you fuckers, and Dave’s selling fucking olive oil to you, and I don’t know, car Saunders is selling stringless tampons. I mean, I don’t know. Everyone’s got their thing that they’re trying to push on their crowd. This is the crowd, right? Look it, I found a toothpaste. That’s perfect. Dave found the olive oil. Greg found some more smart shit to say.

Brian Spin (14:12):


Sevan Matossian (14:14):

All right.

Speaker 4 (14:16):

I believe there’s external forces and people really pushing him to include those in his inner circle to include maybe someone like Savon to,

Sevan Matossian (14:26):

Wait, what the fuck? Did he just say? You’re included Sivan? No, listen, I am not pushing Greg at all. Zero to build a competing company at all. None. 0, 0, 0, 0

Speaker 4 (14:50):

To include even that are pressing and pushing him to do something, to create something to compete with us. Yeah, for sure. I still don’t think that Greg’s heart or interest is in that now. So let’s say he were to create college.

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

Did he say that he knows that I’m doing that or did he speculate?

Brian Spin (15:09):

I think it was speculation that others around him, including you, are

Sevan Matossian (15:17):


Brian Spin (15:17):

For that in some

Sevan Matossian (15:18):

No, no, no. I liked Greg Jess, right where he is at. I like him. I don’t want to make any fast movements. I’m good. I’m good. But also if Greg decided to fuck, it’d be great for the podcast,

Speaker 4 (15:37):

Let broken science affiliates, I think that his message and his recommendation would be for people to do CrossFit style training, which at the end of the day in that would be pushing people to do CrossFit. So I don’t worry about him competing against us or I don’t see it as an outcome here. If he did go into fitness and create another fitness brand and try to run seminars for fitness and try to run affiliates for fitness, I’d be tremendously disappointed in him. I would think it’s just vindictive and not genuine because also at the end of the day, I feel like there’s a lot of false narratives out there on what happened. You do have to remember, and we do have to acknowledge, Greg voluntarily sold the company. He had a choice. He had a choice in this, and he chose to make a lot of money and to walk away, which fine, great, that’s awesome. And that’s the path he went. But I think a lot of people want to paint this picture that he was driven out. Oh, sure. If there was a lot of community sentiment that was

Sevan Matossian (16:37):

Okay, hold on. I think he’s doing a little sleigh of hand here. I think he’s doing a little bit sleigh of hand here. He’s basically saying that one thing he’s saying the first light of hand is he’s saying is that Greg wouldn’t, if Greg did start something up, it would be CrossFit like, well, yeah, he fucking invented it. It would actually be not only CrossFit like, but it would stick to CrossFit and we would do constantly very functional movement, executed at high intensity, observable, repeatable shit. We would probably cut, wouldn’t do exactly what CrossFit’s doing now, because we wouldn’t be doing lonely. That would be the byproduct. We wouldn’t be doing happiness. That would be the byproduct of doing it. We would go back to that. We make planes so that they fly. We don’t worry about making planes so that you’re happy. We don’t vote whether a plane can actually fly or not.


If it flies, we get behind that in that regard. Yeah, of course. He’s trying to make it seem like it’s not his anymore because he sold it. Okay. On one level, wholehearted, he hasn’t said anything. That’s not true, but it’s the way he’s framing it. Greg came up with those ideas. Of course he’s going to do it, and now I think where he is going to go is because he sold it. When he sold it. Part of that was that his non-compete would be up in four years. That’s part of the sale. It’s fine. That’s part of the sale. If the people who bought it didn’t want ’em to compete for 10 years, they should have put 10 years if they didn’t want ’em to compete ever. They should have put ever am I.

Brian Spin (18:18):

What is CrossFit doing today that has taken what Greg built and advanced it forward?

Sevan Matossian (18:34):

Is that a trick question?

Brian Spin (18:36):

No, I mean, it’s

Sevan Matossian (18:38):

Okay. Can Caleb go first? Well, I think of something

Caleb Beaver (18:43):

I don’t have a hard time answering too. I feel like a lot of the only thing that really hasn’t changed is the education. You’re still getting the same education whenever you take it L one. Whenever you take the L two, you take the L three. Any of the, I mean, I guess I don’t think they’ve added any new

Sevan Matossian (19:00):


Caleb Beaver (19:00):


Sevan Matossian (19:02):

The CAP program. I mean, we flirted back and forth with that stuff. So they added a DEI council. They started hiring people and they added racist council. They added that hiring, firing, and facilitating relationships based on genitalia and skin color. So they did that. They did bring that they fully heartedly embraced racism. So in that regard, they brought, that brought the CAP program, which I heard is a fantastic program. They raised affiliate fees by a significant portion. They’ve reduced the media team even further. Just when you thought that it couldn’t be any worse than when it was in 2018. So I don’t know. I don’t know.

Brian Spin (19:56):

It’s not made anything that would say that. It’s different from when Greg ran it in a forward, positive way. It’s still the exact same thing,

Sevan Matossian (20:09):

Right? With some, yeah. Okay. I’ll give you that. Okay, let’s go there. Let’s go there. Okay. Yeah, I like that. Okay, so same thing. Okay, but he’s saying that he would be disappointed in Greg if Greg started a competing company

Speaker 4 (20:29):

Against him. There was a lot of momentum where people were very vocal and he didn’t feel supported, but fuck man. Greg’s been attacked and not supported for decades and he had no issue with that shit. Hitting him on the back and just rolling off all of a sudden to think now, he was so devastated that he had to walk away. He didn’t walk away. He had a really big offer. He took it and he stepped away. He sold CrossFit. He sold the methodology. He sold the company. He sold what he created through that time, during that moment.

Sevan Matossian (20:55):

Hey, that’s very accurate. That’s all very accurate. This was the biggest thing. That obstacle, I think that Greg hit. It was the closest thing to home, but Greg did sell it. I’ve said that on this show 20 times when people are like, but he was canceled or this or that. I’m like, nah, he sold it and he sold it for a shitload of money. I agree with Dave, but I think Dave is trying to say that in the sense that then he shouldn’t be allowed to start something new, and I just don’t see the leap he’s making there. Some people, a lot of people turned on him, not that many, maybe 500 affiliates, and we know now that a lot of the people who turned on him, like this guy Andrew Charlesworth that was interviewed by Hillary, he is like, I don’t

Sevan Matossian (21:40):

Even know why I posted the Black Square some hon player at my gym told me to do it. So I did it. I just did it.

Caleb Beaver (21:51):

That was good.

Sevan Matossian (21:52):

Thank you. It was kind of like a penguin. It was kind of like a Batman character. I was doing WC Fields Penguin type, right? I think I was only like 20% there. I was really going to start feeling that character. I might introduce that character into the show. Andrew. Charles, you should play that

Caleb Beaver (22:09):

Out some more. Yeah, I like that.

Sevan Matossian (22:11):

Hey, if we don’t have a guest tomorrow, maybe you and I could do something with you. No.

Sevan Matossian (22:19):

Oh, oh, there

Caleb Beaver (22:21):

You go.

Sevan Matossian (22:23):

Thank you, Courtney. More. Courtney. More Courtney who caress what she says. Just bring it up. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 4 (22:37):

In history, he had multiple offers that were frankly an eighth of what he ended up taking, and he said no to all the time.

Sevan Matossian (22:44):

Holy shit. Dave’s fucking letting it fly. Devin, what do people who canceled Greg think would happen in a post Greg era? Some new owner would pay millions of dollars and not put money first. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Amazing picture in defense of the people who own it. Yeah, that’s exactly, I used to say this when people would get upset with what Greg did, dude, it’s fucking his, and you know what? It’s fucking theirs. If they want to raise the affiliate fees to $10,000. Yeah, I like the way Andrew Hiller said it and Susa said it like, Hey, either pay the fee or don’t, don’t trip. We got shit to do. Yeah, of course. Yeah. They want to make cash, and Don was fucking great in that interview on the Lone Ranger podcast. Did you see that spin? He said they want to make 20% return. They want to make 40 million every single year. I ain’t hating on that. I’m make 40 million too.

Sevan Matossian (23:45):


Sevan Matossian (23:46):

I just bought a new movie theater. That shit ain’t cheap. Do you have the nice chairs, the reclining ones? No, just your standard. They reclining. They lean. They lean. They’re not reclining. You know what I mean? Still better than what they have in my town. I’m Andrew Charlesworth.

Sevan Matossian (24:10):

We sit on wooden boxes in my, I’m from Flint, Michigan.

Sevan Matossian (24:17):

Here we go.

Speaker 4 (24:19):

I was around at this point. I witnessed it all happening. The offers were very insulting, and at one point he created a number in his mind and he said, this is the number I will sell for and if anybody hits that number, I am going to sell CrossFit. Then Eric Rosa came along and Eric Rosa offered him something that was not within the realm of Greg’s number, and Greg said, no way. Here’s my number. And I think that number was even high in Greg’s mind relative to all these other offers that he was getting that nobody was going to need it. Well, then Eric came back and said, Hey, he got private equity involved. He came back and said, Hey, we can make that number happen. And through all of this, this is actually when I was, for this brief time running, I was the CEO of CrossFit. I saw what was going to happen. We were going to get through it. We were going to finish, we were going to get through on the other side, and the heat against Greg was going to diminish. I actually really, for Greg’s legacy, it would’ve been tremendous to see him stay and us get through that because through Covid, it would’ve done so much for his legacy and for CrossFit.

Sevan Matossian (25:23):

I mean, now he’s just, some of the details are off, but now he’s spot on. There’s a guy who works at CrossFit now, I’m pretty sure. He reached out to me on my Instagram. He said, Hey, I have a buddy who will give your buddy 10 figure deal for CrossFit. I got out a pencil and paper. I looked at what a 10 figure deal is, and I told Greg, I said, Hey, dude, some dude said that they’ll pay you a billion a bill for CrossFit. You want this dude’s number? And he said, yeah. And then Greg realized they had been trying to contact him through other ways. They met Greg gave him the number. The guy said, cool, don’t take any more offers. I got it for you. And that’s what went down this guy, and I didn’t get a cent. I got fired,


Stupid, and I was accused of all sorts of crazy shit trying to sabotage the deal and just insane shit. Rosa was a complete fucking idiot, retard, and when I met him, it’s clearly obvious. He’s a complete idiot. Retard. He is as smart as a Texas Instruments calculator. He is just a broken dinging dong. You open up to play games on it? No, he can’t. I would tell you some stories about hanging out with his kids on the first day I met him that are just fucking absolutely insane. Some of the most insane shit I’ve ever seen. Some of the behaviors between him and his kids. I think something’s off with Rosa.

Caleb Beaver (26:48):

He’s got mental health issues,

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

Obviously, but I mean, more than that, something’s off. But I do agree with Dave. We would’ve come through this and who gives a fuck? If there would’ve only been 7,000 gyms, it would’ve been insane. I totally agree, and Greg, this brand would be so strong. It would be mind boggling because Greg would’ve gone through two years of saying, fuck, you have to remember, this was right at the pandemic. The so-called pandemic, everything was closing.

Caleb Beaver (27:19):

You think that would’ve changed the outcome of the reaction from the United States if he would’ve stayed on?

Sevan Matossian (27:25):

I don’t know. I think we’re really small fish in a really big pond, but it would’ve galvanized this community. It would’ve been like you’re in a fight with your neighbor and the power goes out for a week and you guys are best friends cooking at each other’s house and shit. You know what I mean? I really agree with Dave. This thing would’ve been nuts.

Brian Spin (27:46):

I think you would’ve gotten people who aren’t into the fitness realm who agreed with his ideology and moved into that fitness realm.

Sevan Matossian (27:57):

Oh, yes. You mean just people who just saw him stand? Yes.

Brian Spin (28:01):

That were anti 49 er, and now they’re like, oh, I like what this guy’s saying. Let me hear more about it. Oh, he’s running CrossFit. Lemme go check it out. I never thought I would like it before, but I agree with him on this point. So lemme do that.

Sevan Matossian (28:17):

I think, lemme tell you a brand that went the other way. If I see someone wearing Noble or Cartwright, I just think they’re a tool just right away. Oh, you’re a tool. Now they can work themselves out of being a tool, but I just think they’re a tool because I just know what those countries companies stand for and the fact that you would give money to them is horrible. I think CrossFit would’ve been the exact opposite.

Brian Spin (28:38):

Now think about if he does create a competing entity that has that same ideology, who does he attract? Does that same thing happen?

Sevan Matossian (28:54):

I do agree, Dave. I don’t think he wants to do that, but we’ll see. Did and Dave’s wrong, and I’m not encouraging Greg to do that either, but if he did, it’d be good for the podcast. It’s fun to talk about. You think it would galvanize a bunch of really good people to come together?

Brian Spin (29:16):

Yes. Yeah. Those who would make that switch or who join or come back or create a new affiliate, the passion and the intensity that they would have for what he’s trying to move would be so much stronger.

Sevan Matossian (29:39):

He’s sharp as a rock still, ma’am,

Speaker 4 (29:42):

For him to have been involved at that time. But he made the choice, he sold the company, he took the money and he left. And to some degree, when I see people saying, Greg wouldn’t have done this, or This is not how Greg would do things or.

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