Sevan Matossian (00:00):
Tin can. Bam. We’re live. O’Keefe, you look like you’re at the haunted house at Disneyland.
Matt O’Keefe (00:07):
Really? Okay. I’m in my dining room
Sevan Matossian (00:10):
With those curtains and that lighting and I feel like that there should be a ghost.
Matt O’Keefe (00:14):
You want me to shut these?
Sevan Matossian (00:15):
No, no No’s good. I like it. It’s framed very, very nicely. Nicely. Dang. Hey, is that east coast stuff? Those are some thick curtains. Is that to keep the heat in? Those are thick.
Matt O’Keefe (00:28):
No, I mean we have great windows for that to keep the heat in, but keep the light out. It is still a little cool here. I will say
Sevan Matossian (00:40):
That. See haunted house to keep the light out. Haunted house. Yeah.
Matt O’Keefe (00:44):
March is like fools gold in Boston. You think? Spring’s here and it is far from, so we’re, we’re in the gray days today.
Sevan Matossian (00:54):
Did you just come from outside? I mean, I think this morning when we were scheduling you were, you’ve already traveled quite a bit this morning, right?
Matt O’Keefe (01:02):
Yeah, I flew back from Columbus, Ohio this morning. I was at the Arnold yesterday, Friday and Saturday.
Sevan Matossian (01:09):
Dude, I want to hear all about that, but one second. Is that an HWPO vest?
Matt O’Keefe (01:15):
It is, yes.
Sevan Matossian (01:16):
Dude, that is sick.
Matt O’Keefe (01:19):
Thank you. I’m a big vest guy.
Sevan Matossian (01:21):
Yeah, I’m a big vest guy too. Why do you think you’re a big vest guy?
Matt O’Keefe (01:26):
It’s probably because of where I live and it keeps my body warm. That’s got to be it. I mean, I ski quite a bit and keeping that core body temp up.
Sevan Matossian (01:41):
Here’s why I like it. I think I can hide the imperfections of my body on it while still letting my arms and shoulders be seen. So I use it as, I kind of use it as a insecurity blanket, but over the years I’ve learned to appreciate it for its layering capabilities.
Matt O’Keefe (01:59):
Yeah, I get a lot of heat during the transitional seasons, which we’re coming into as I wear my vest with my short sleeve shirt underneath. Yeah, apparently that looks a little funny.
Sevan Matossian (02:11):
No, I do that. I do that. Yeah, that’s the way to go. That was my outfit at hq. Short sleeve shirt vest.
Matt O’Keefe (02:20):
Brooke Wells, every time there’s a photo posted of me in a vest with short sleeves or she sees anything like that, she finds it very funny.
Sevan Matossian (02:31):
Do you have a lot of vests?
Matt O’Keefe (02:33):
I do, I
Sevan Matossian (02:34):
Do. Do you have any dress vest, like dressy stuff or stuff like you could wear to a funeral or a church or stuff like that?
Matt O’Keefe (02:41):
Most of mine are just athletic or golf. I golf quite a bit in the summer and spring months here in fall and I mean because of the climate here. Our golf season’s really short so often I’m in a best, keep me super warm when I play golf so and
Sevan Matossian (02:59):
Loose and the arms loose and who cares if your arms are cold? You just can’t have the core be cold.
Matt O’Keefe (03:04):
Totally. Totally. I’m doing a lot of running right now. It’s been super helpful for that. So yeah,
Sevan Matossian (03:11):
No body dysmorphia. Someone suggesting that body dysmorphia. Body dysmorphia is when you miss understand your body. I’m fully aware that I look like a sack of shit. I don’t have body dysmorphia. I have deep insecurity. You great. Whatcha
Matt O’Keefe (03:24):
Talking
Sevan Matossian (03:25):
About two distinctly different categories. I look in the mirror and I see exactly what everyone else sees. I’m like, my God, how do I have any friends? I
Matt O’Keefe (03:35):
Never thought of it that way.
Sevan Matossian (03:38):
I’m an expert. Tell me about the Arnold. Why did you go? Was it a big CrossFit event? Hiller said he went and he had the pleasure of running into Emma Lawson. He said it was awesome.
Matt O’Keefe (03:50):
Yeah, we saw her yesterday morning at the Rogue employee. Jim. Yeah, we go every year, particularly for Matt. Matt goes to appear for Rogue, but honestly it’s just one of those events on the calendar for me over, I think I’ve been probably the last seven or eight years. It’s just a great place to go see people. I mean there’s 200,000 people there on Saturday is what they say between 150 and 200,000
Sevan Matossian (04:21):
People. It looks like it. I used to go too for arm wrestling and it was absolutely packed.
Matt O’Keefe (04:27):
It is only more packed every year. I mean you can’t even move. It’s unreal. Yeah, I mean mostly it’s a sport rogue. They’re a great partner of ours. Matt’s we go down and they’re very involved and invested in the event. They help operate the strongman event, which is really the center. I mean I know the bodybuilding piece is probably the big centerpiece of the event, but I think Strongman’s starting take some of that limelight. I mean it is very well attended and engage. So we go to that and we always have a dinner with everybody, all the athletes from Rogue, all their partners. It’s awesome. Honestly, I really, really look forward to it every year. It’s always during the open too. So traditionally we’ve had a lot of great memories at Rogue HQ doing open workouts, so athletes active, we’ll do the open workouts. Just a great week.
Sevan Matossian (05:30):
And did you see Snorri too? Hiller said he ran into Snorri.
Matt O’Keefe (05:33):
I did. Yeah, I did. I had dinner with him, Emma, a bunch of the athletes that were in town last night. Oh, that’s fun. We worked out yesterday at the gym in the morning at Rogue and Snor and snoring them over there. Yeah.
Sevan Matossian (05:48):
Who else did you see? Did you see Tyson Beget and Travis Beget?
Matt O’Keefe (05:52):
I saw Travis. The first person I saw was Travis. We got to the hotel and he was coming out of the elevator as we were getting in, so it’s great to see him. I haven’t seen him in person in a long time. I’ve talked to him a bit and we didn’t see Tyson. They left. I didn’t realize they were leaving I think yesterday morning and we were just getting there Friday afternoon, so we didn’t get to see him. I was hoping him and Matt could meet,
Sevan Matossian (06:21):
Which
Matt O’Keefe (06:22):
We’re going to make happen at some point, but he was tied up when we had got there Friday, so we’re going to make that happen though. It was good to see Travis and yeah, that’s kind of what it’s all about. There’s just a lot of people in town for that event. Honestly. Always.
Sevan Matossian (06:38):
For sure. Always you see people you haven’t seen in 10 years and then you’ve seen people that you only see there every five years. It’s like, Hey, good to catch up. Or every year, every year. You’ve seen ’em there for the last five years.
Matt O’Keefe (06:49):
Yeah, we saw our Steph Cohen yesterday. We, oh, work with those guys and Steph is a really good longtime friend. She’s just been super busy. She was boxing and haven’t seen her in a couple years. Just like that. A hundred percent. It’s awesome.
Sevan Matossian (07:04):
Are any of the old school guys there? Do you see Speer or Chan or any of the old school athletes
Matt O’Keefe (07:12):
Off and on? Yes. Neither of them were there this year. Josh comes in, usually Rich. I’ve seen Speer and Chan. None of those guys were there this year, but generally, yeah, you’ll always bump into somebody like that. Camille and Dave are usually around. I think Dave has an activation there. I think he puts a booth up for Thunder Bros. And
Sevan Matossian (07:39):
Did Podium have a booth there?
Matt O’Keefe (07:43):
They did not, no, not this year. Maybe last year. Not this year. They’re busy. I mean everybody is. That’s not the real reason, but I think they got a lot going on. Choose your
Sevan Matossian (07:55):
Battles. You have to choose your battles, right? Where to spend your money, where to promote, where to. I wonder if people get lost in that group too. There’s got to be some, although it’s the biggest gathering, one of the biggest gatherings in the world. I mean, as I remember the Arnold and Mr. Universe, I used to go there and film arm wrestling. I saw them more as, there’s a word for it in the business. You know how there’ll be electronic shows or car stereo shows or what are those called? There’s a word for
Matt O’Keefe (08:30):
It. Convention.
Sevan Matossian (08:32):
Convention around specific things. I see it more as I was always excited to go there for vendor Village and that’s what I assume most people were. That’s what it is. It’s like a thousand of the top vendors in the space or the guy who has the newest and greatest rubber band or shoot. Oh, trade Expo. Yes, expo. Trade show. Thank you. I see it more as a trade show. I was never into bodybuilding, but I see it more as a trade show than Absolutely. Yeah. I always wonder if
Matt O’Keefe (09:02):
People who,
Sevan Matossian (09:03):
Go
Matt O’Keefe (09:04):
Ahead. Go ahead.
Sevan Matossian (09:05):
No, you go. I wonder if CrossFit’s headed that way sometimes. I really like Vendor Village. I really like Vendor Village at the games too. That’s one of my favorite parts.
Matt O’Keefe (09:15):
It is awesome. Yeah. It’s obviously a little smaller than this, but it’s getting there and CrossFit has activated there. I don’t know if they were this year we were really running around and our schedule was tight. I didn’t get around to see if they’ve traditionally run a CrossFit event, like a competition there and CrossFit’s activated. They’ve had a traditional affiliate lounge. But yeah, it’s exactly what you just described. I think it’s, at least from a fitness perspective, it’s the biggest sampling, like cans and hands, handing out single servings. People
Sevan Matossian (10:01):
Basically pull of bars, hang off the back of your car racks that unfold out of your wallet. Just all that weird shit, right?
Matt O’Keefe (10:07):
People carry bag around and they’re just grabbing stuff as they go by. I mean, honestly, I don’t know the right proper word to describe it is the best people watching environment I go to every year. By the way,
Sevan Matossian (10:21):
When I went, it was a freak
Matt O’Keefe (10:22):
Show.
Sevan Matossian (10:23):
It’s a freak show, right?
Matt O’Keefe (10:25):
Yeah. I mean they’re doing a karate exhibition, sword fighting. I mean it’s truly a festival on that side. Any sport essentially could go represent themselves there
Sevan Matossian (10:37):
Somehow ping pong. One year I was there and they had insane super high level ping pong.
Matt O’Keefe (10:42):
It is cheerleading.
Sevan Matossian (10:44):
Cheerleading. You
Matt O’Keefe (10:45):
Walk in and there’s like people jousting and karate kicking the boards 20 feet in the air and doing flips and landing on their feet and strongman and weightlifting and powerlifting. I mean, I think they powerlift and weightlift 2000 people each throughout that weekend. That’s wild.
Sevan Matossian (11:10):
Competitors.
Matt O’Keefe (11:11):
Yeah, it’s something like that. I think USA weightlifting puts like 1500 or 2000 people through a competition. Powerlifting organization puts the same type of numbers through. It’s pretty cool. It’s a lot of people’s Super Bowl for what they do,
Sevan Matossian (11:27):
Right? Hey, O’Keefe is rogue, the giant of all giants. When I used to go there, I don’t know if this is true, but there was some supplement company there called EAS or something and they had the biggest booth and there’d be a line that was 10 people thick, a mile long to get free stuff. And when I hear you talk about there strong man being so huge in my mind, and I could be totally wrong, I automatically give rogue credit for all that. Are they the biggest thing at the convention? Do you see Rogue? For sure. No matter what, if you go there,
Matt O’Keefe (12:10):
It can’t get away from it. Awesome. Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (12:18):
Because I’m proud because it comes out of our community. You know what I mean? Hey, look, we grew the biggest and baddest thing. I take pride in that.
Matt O’Keefe (12:29):
You couldn’t put it better. That event, and I’ve seen that evolution for whatever the last seven, eight years and for Arnold, the Arnold Classic and the team that runs it, I mean they couldn’t do it without them at this point and strongman, I’ve seen the size of the arena they built for that. Every year has just continued to evolve and grow and the broadcast is getting more and more engaged in broadcast. If people didn’t watch it the last couple days, it was really good badass. They did a great job with it, familiar faces. Sean Woodland hosts it. It’s, yeah, rogue has enhanced that show and taken it to a level. I bet that that team that owns and operates it never thought it could get to, honestly. I mean they’re just such a key ingredient. I mean the broadcast is awesome.
Sevan Matossian (13:20):
Yeah, it’s a beautiful layout. Hey, and I wonder if this too, I wonder if the more that Sean does events outside of CrossFit like this that it allows both sports to grow, right? Allows lazy CrossFitters to become strong men. You like that jab and strong men who want to get healthy do CrossFit, but I bet you he’s been a catalyst for a lot of people going back and forth, just seeing him be the commentator for both
Matt O’Keefe (13:50):
For sure. He’s great at what he does. I think this is, I’m sure it’s stuff we’ll talk about when I look at what you’re describing there is I think these sports feeding off of each other is the answer to these sports emerging more and more over time, and I think you’ve seen some of that with where everything is at right now. The more we can collaborate with strongman and high rocks and things like that, getting more people or giving people more options to use their training and fitness, which is having goals for people to point towards and do different things and find their sweet spot. I mean a hundred percent strong man’s cool. I mean it’s so fun to watch. Matt and I, he did his appearance yesterday and we ran over to watch what’s, I’m going to probably screw it up. It’s like the demi stones or something. So there are these two one’s like 350 pounds, the other’s like 415 pounds and they hold ’em in their hands. I think the origination of that in Scotland, because the actual stones are in Scotland. I think these are replicas. Maybe I’m wrong if I’m wrong. Sorry. Anybody
Sevan Matossian (15:10):
Ro can afford to bring the real ones. Those were the real ones. Let’s say they were.
Matt O’Keefe (15:15):
Yeah, so
Sevan Matossian (15:16):
They have to return them. They have to return them.
Matt O’Keefe (15:19):
So they had a walk with these this year. It’s great. You got to look back too. We can go on for this forever. There was a girl that come from Scotland last year with 120 pounds soaking wet and she lifted those two things up and has the world record for the female hold of those, but these guys were picking these things up and walking 15 to 40 feet. I think Mitch Hooper might’ve won and got the new world record. He walked with those two stones for 41 and something feet, but I mean it was bumping in there. We were having a block. I mean both of us found ourselves screaming for these guys as it was just really exciting.
Sevan Matossian (16:03):
Honestly, look, one dude carried it 10 inches and another dude carried it 31 feet, 11 inches, so that’s wild.
Matt O’Keefe (16:12):
I’m watching it more and more, which I am incredibly excited about this portion of the Rogue Invitational in Scotland. I mean, it’s sort of the home of this, right? I think it’ll be incredible. It’s interesting you watch Thor deadlift 1,006 pounds very easily, not to say it’s easy the first day and then the last event was a pivotal event. He was in second and Mitch was in first and they did this stone event for the last event and he couldn’t get any reps and Mitch got a bunch and my point being is I’m trying to learn the nuances of these guys strength and why they sort of thrive in one and not another. Because I mean they had an axle bar with this historic object was 400 pounds. Mitch Hooper did in the time allotment, which was like a minute or 90 seconds, five cleaning jerks with a 400 pound axle bar. I mean, it’s crazy what they do.
Sevan Matossian (17:12):
Did he win? Did Mitch win?
Matt O’Keefe (17:15):
He did. He is emerging as a dominant, I mean not even emerging. He is the dominant figure in the sport right now and he’s inching towards a lot of historical stuff. I mean, he’s so good. I mean that guy was a marathoner at one time. Scratch golfer. He ran like a three minute, three hour marathon, which is, I’m training for one right now that is aggressive and
Sevan Matossian (17:39):
Hey, not even that long ago too. I think someone’s told me it was five years ago, this dude could run a marathon.
Matt O’Keefe (17:46):
You can find him on the web pitchers. He’s super lean, like 180 pounds running marathons. It is fascinating. Yeah, he is a real talent. He bounced around last summer a bit with one of his partners and so he came to our headquarters and because Jason Hopper and he had a sponsor in common and they worked out together for a day. I mean, look at that. It’s crazy.
Sevan Matossian (18:12):
Hey, this guy has the most crossover. I see him at a lot of CrossFit stuff. I see him in a lot of videos with CrossFitters. I saw him on stage very attentively watching WA Palooza. This guy’s the most integrated with our community, right? Yeah.
Matt O’Keefe (18:33):
That run that he went on last year, he was just filming content for his YouTube and then with people that had common partners and basically going and doing a day of training with him. I was fascinated. He did a day of Jason’s training, which involved 7,000, 6,000 meters of running on an air runner, some gross CrossFit workouts with 1 35 snatches and burpees. He’s fit too, like real fit. I wonder, it’s so funny you say that. We were talking about this yesterday. I wonder if he’s watching, looking, learning and maybe that’s his next move. He wants to try to see if he can compete in a sport like that. Cause he has bounced around.
Sevan Matossian (19:19):
That’s insane. How old is he?
Matt O’Keefe (19:22):
That I don’t know. I’d assume he’s in his twenties, like late twenties if I was guessing, but I have no, that’s just a shot in the dark.
Sevan Matossian (19:32):
I can’t tell with the strong man. I can never figure out their age. Oh, 28. Okay, so he’s still young. Geez.
Matt O’Keefe (19:38):
He is, yeah. Yeah. Interesting character too. He’s very cerebral, he’s very analytical and he’s also, I think he’s like an osteopath or a pt. He’s very knowledgeable too. He’s an interesting cat.
Sevan Matossian (19:58):
Did Matt have fun? What’s Matt think about the meet and greets. Does he enjoy those?
Matt O’Keefe (20:03):
Yeah, I think more as he’s in this next phase of his life. Yeah, we had a great day and it’s interesting you asked that because crowds can be overwhelming for him in spots where he’s very popular in fitness and CrossFit, whatever. He loves going down there and that appearance is
Sevan Matossian (20:25):
He walk through there. Can he walk through there, Matt, or is it too crazy for him? Could he walk through vendor village or no?
Matt O’Keefe (20:33):
Yes. Yeah. There’s so many people that you really aren’t paying attention to who you’re walking by. It’s like head down, moving through. I mean, you’ve been there, it’s like these big wide 20 foot lanes that it’s shoulder to shoulder moving. You’re just moving with the tide. So uniquely, yes. When you get to a spot where you’re at strongman, people then notice they’ll come over,
Sevan Matossian (20:56):
Or if he was waiting outside the bathroom, he would get crushed.
Matt O’Keefe (21:00):
Yes, but he loves it. He did his appearance with Justin Maderis yesterday at the Rogue Booth. Oh, that’s cool. We’re close with Justin and we worked out at the gym in the morning and had breakfast at one of our favorite spots. It’s just a fun trip like that every year. We just have a great routine and Rogue honestly makes it super easy on those guys. Takes incredible care of them. It’s really a fun week.
Sevan Matossian (21:27):
Hey Matt, from what I can just see on social media, he’s really taken to being a dad. He’s just fully embraced the baby. What are you seeing? Does he bring the baby there or is he just can’t wait to get home to get back to the baby? What’s his deal?
Matt O’Keefe (21:44):
Yeah, the baby, we’re traveling the full unit every once in a while where we can, but they were in Hawaii for a bit in the winter and came back and I think really intent on getting her in a routine and being home. But yeah, it’s mostly him just chomping to get out of there and get home. Once his work’s done, you couldn’t have put it. I mean, he is loving this phase of his life. I mean, she is amazing by the way. I mean,
Sevan Matossian (22:11):
He got a good one,
Matt O’Keefe (22:13):
Great personality and you know, leave for two days. Your kids grow and they learn a new facial expression or whatever it is. But yeah, she’s waving and she’s coming a little bit of a ham now and she’s awesome. Honestly, they’re doing unbelievable parenting gets an A plus right now, so they’re having a blast
Sevan Matossian (22:42):
And he’s fully immersed in it, huh? Yeah, he’s doing it. Look it,
Matt O’Keefe (22:46):
I mean that’s not for a camera, I promise you that.
Sevan Matossian (22:49):
That was going to be my question. So he’s fully like, wow, when you have a kid, you have these moments where you’re like, okay, this is actually what I was put on earth to do to take care of this human
Matt O’Keefe (23:00):
Matt yesterday. So we were gone for about 30 hours, whatever, 30 to 40 hours, and he is getting videos all day from Sammy. He’s die engaged and often 50% of the time he’s got a tear in his eye when he is watching stuff. Eddie has all his heart at this point. It’s so fun to watch. I mean, it’s interesting you watched him, this hard guy that was tunnel focused on this thing for so long. That’s sort of how we’ve all engaged him as fans. I mean, he’s got a great soft side and it’s really emerging right now. Yeah, that stuff, I mean, if he really told the story on social, people would be like, all right, we get it. You got a kid,
Sevan Matossian (23:50):
It would be going over the old days when you go over to someone’s house and they show you on a real projector, their family vacation. Yeah, you’ve had enough. Totally. Okay, good. That makes me happy to hear. He is obsessed like that.
Matt O’Keefe (24:02):
Yeah, great. They need to have more kids. They make great kids and now they’re great parents.
Sevan Matossian (24:08):
Matt, there was this interview that Lauren Khalil did with Ma O’Brien and there was a spot in there that really resonated with me where basically she describes the reason why she was, takes a break and maybe there’s many reasons, but this is the one that I glommed onto. The reason why she’s taking a break is because she couldn’t basically take her mind off of CrossFit. So it’s 7 45 at night and she’s taking a bite of a steak and she’s already like, Hey, I have 45 minutes to eat this. I need to be home and go to sleep. She’s doing one workout. The second she finishes, she’s thinking about tomorrow’s workout. It sounded like she could never just get to the present because she was so focused on what she needed to do, and I said, it’s reminiscent of Sundays for me. When I went to school, I never enjoyed a Sunday.
(24:54):
I always knew Monday I had school. I just could not get settled As a kid. That seems like that would be a big problem for every CrossFit athlete. I just love the way she articulated it. When you hear that, are you like, yeah, that’s a common, that’s a thing because you hear about even Rich Ronan when you’re at the games. He was sleeping in the back of his rv and I was talking to him and I said, are you sleeping good? He goes, no, I’m just sitting here running tomorrow’s workouts in my head over and over and over. I’m like, holy shit.
Matt O’Keefe (25:30):
Yeah. Actually, the experience with Mal who’s doing great I, and to hear her articulate that the way she did, well, first of all, it’s spot on and I would challenge anybody listening, you and I relate to this, it’s like we’re in the open right now. You can relate to what MAL has gone through on a daily basis for years. Matt, rich, any of these guys, because think about what we go through at the open. It’s like before you start you want to throw up and then you’re anticipating getting in the gym to do that, and then you do your workout and you’re like, shit, I could have done that faster. Do I do it again? That’s every day in a lot of ways for these guys, the metrics that the data they’re giving back is, am I progressing or not? A lot of times, and you work really hard as coaches to try to ground them in the journey and that there’s days we’re off the throttle and we’re not always going to be peak
Sevan Matossian (26:30):
Performing. Yeah, zero journey all destination. You nailed it. They get stuck in the destination. They’re just waiting.
Matt O’Keefe (26:38):
I mean, all of them I’m sure have some layer of this and some more intense. What’s interesting is going through the whole thing, the last year and a half or whatever with Mal, it kind of grounded me back to my experience with Matt in that Matt went through, I think they’re very prototypical, not prototypical, they’re very much perfectly alike. The
Sevan Matossian (27:03):
Mechanisms in the brain for all, we really are all the same. We all have the same CPU or it does plays the same tricks on us. I totally agree.
Matt O’Keefe (27:12):
I watched him go through this where it would be coming back and this rowing workouts he’d use as a, where am I at? And be like, shit, maybe I took too much time off living in the interval a lot of times and having days where it’s like, damn, I just lost a workout to TIA by minutes. But their body’s responding different to training and it’s hard to root them in that and be like, Hey dude, you’re just beat up or take a day off. He was really good at that listening to his body and using those metrics positively at times, but I watched him go through it and what you described about Rich is that is the games. It’s like Matt would always get, we’d get his own room, block it out between workouts, he’d go in there, what I would think sleep, and then I found out in the middle of his career, I’m like, what have you been doing?
(28:07):
And it’s that. It’s like watching back what he did the prior just to make sure he can pick up on some things that maybe he can get better at for the future and then yeah, going through what I know is the workout tonight and in his head, I mean that week’s wild or anytime they compete. So yeah, she did put it perfectly. You couldn’t have said it better. I can’t even do as good a job articulating it. It’s constant. Especially they’re all at the games at this insane world, elite level, but now there’s some layers and when you’re competing for or you’re in that conversation to be the best that year ever. I mean it’s even more daunting. It’s like you feel like you have to be more perfect, is really what I think happens to everybody in that scenario. It’s like, Hey, there’s no, I finished second. There’s no success unless it’s up from here. Flats even failure when you’re that elite. So yeah, it’s a battle, but I don’t think it’s unique to CrossFitters. It’s just I think what life is like when you’re in the public eye and you’re playing a very high profile or you have a very high profile role
Sevan Matossian (29:24):
Or your brain,
Matt O’Keefe (29:25):
The president
Sevan Matossian (29:27):
Also. Right. That’s wild. Being in politics also, it’s this too. They’re in a weird paradox. Oh, that’s a great picture of her. They’re in a weird paradox because when they are working out is probably when they’re set free for it, so the cure for their issue is to work out and go hard, but it’s kind of like being an alcoholic and you feel better when you drink. It’s like, well, therein lies the issue. Yeah, you’re stuck in this. Fuck.
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