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Sevan Matossian (00:04):

Susa, you’re getting very sleepy.

Mattew Souza (00:07):

No, now that I’m up, I’m up. You’re

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Very sleepy. Susa,

Mattew Souza (00:12):

Double fisted.

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

Your toe spacers have never felt better.

Mattew Souza (00:17):

I do need to put my toe spacers on. The

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

Sheets are clean. You’ve taken one out of the chamber. I would like to start the morning in the same place that we left off yesterday. No, not where I left off. I’d like to start take two. Good morning, Bernie. How are you buddy? How are you? I appreciated your comments about the 1977 Volkswagen Rabbit explaining how it didn’t fit the story of evading arrest. It’s only 64 horsepower under the engine. The wheels on the thing were like this big, smallest tires in the world. Yesterday we started the show about keeping your own power. Want to align. You want to align who you are with taking all responsibility, all accountability. You want to behave the way God would behave, the way you guys explain to me, the way God behaves. He knows everything. He knows every hair on your head. He knows what you’re going to do tomorrow, what you’re going to do the next day.


He knew you before you were born, right? There’s all these cool lines in the Bible, right? You guys are always sharing with me. So lemme tell you the part that I know about behaving like God and taking personal responsibility and accountability. Mirroring the great one. Yesterday my son says to me, we’re in Newport Beach. We’re away from home from the week before this. We were in Scottsdale for a few days, so we’ve been away from home for a while. And before we left on the trip, he said to me, Hey, that means father in Armenian. Can I bring my drone with me? And I’m like, no, buddy, we’re not going to have any time to fly it. And he said, okay. And in my head it was because I forgot that we were coming to Newport. Newport’s a great place to fly the drone, but in Scottsdale we were going to be so busy.


We had so many things lined up to do and party and play, and it was just going to be a rager. And I didn’t want to add more stuff to bring his little hard case with his drone. He says, okay, no problem. So we get to Newport and they have a huge firework show here a couple nights ago, and he’s like, oh, I wish I had my drone. And he starts getting a little whiny. Not in a bad way, but just when he’s whiny. Oh, I had my drone. Why did you tell me not to bring my drone?

Mattew Souza (02:49):

Would’ve been a dope shot.

Sevan Matossian (02:51):

Thanks Susa. And he has friends like Susa who support his whi.


Suzy’s not wrong. And so I say to him, he calms down. I say to him, not that he got wound up or anything. I said, Hey buddy, just so you know, you ever ask yourself, are you upset that you don’t have your drone? Or what’s the root of that? The root that you’re expressing, that you’re upset, that you don’t have your drone? And you’re saying it’s, I told you not to bring your drone, but do you think maybe that the root of it could be, which what I suspect it is, is that you want your drone, that you want your drone, you’re having a thought that you want your drone, and that’s the root. And so you’re responsible for that. That’s your thought. You want your drone. That is your thought. Now, I don’t know. I don’t know. Maybe he’s faking his bother, his annoyance by it. I fake so much shit on this show that you guys buy into when I have my little temper tantrums and get angry, or I tell jokes or I say stuff, you guys think it’s real? And I’m like, wow, they bought that. And it’s really just, I’m just acting. No one knows if anyone’s acting or not. Right?


You just don’t know. Only the person knows. By acting, I mean reacting to something with a conviction and intention. I’ll give you an example of that. The other day I said something about I make $89,000 a year and I can’t even afford. And someone’s like, dude, why are you complaining that you make $89,000 a year? I’m like, dude, I thought that was obvious. That was an act. That was like, that’s the, yeah, that’s the bit. That was the bit. So I don’t know if he’s doing a bid or not, but I assume he’s not because we’re just regular interaction. So he says to me after I tell him, I said, do you think it’s the thought you’re responsible for that thought you’re having, that you want your drone? And yet you’re saying, I told you not to bring it. Do you think that maybe that’s the actual source? And he says to me, I have no idea what you’re saying.

Sevan Matossian (04:57):


Sevan Matossian (05:08):

And I was impressed, right? I’m like, wow, okay, cool, cool. He understood enough to know that he didn’t understand. Yeah. Alright, cool. I don’t have no idea what you’re saying. Okay, cool. Now hold onto that story here a little bit. Look at Christine Young. Same. Alright, fine. Okay, cool. Hold onto that story here a little bit. So yesterday, I, I’ll tell you this other story. First, I’ll tell you this other story. First, I pulled this story on the air before, and I’ll tell you again yesterday I’m, or no, sorry. There’s this story about these two monks and they’re walking along and they’re out in the woods and they come across this stream, and as they approach the stream out in the middle of the woods, they see there’s a woman there and she can’t figure out how she’s going to cross the stream. She doesn’t want to get dirty. She’s wearing her fancy clothes. So one of the monks says, ma’am, jump on my back and I’ll carry you across the stream. So the lady jumps on the monk’s back and they cross the stream. He sets her down and they go on their way as the two monks are walking.


The monk that didn’t carry the girl stops. This is after 10 minutes after they’ve crossed the stream and he turns to the monk who carried the women with the woman. And he said, Hey, you’re not allowed to do that. You’re not allowed to carry that woman. And the monk said, yes, I know, but I’m not carrying her now. And you should stop carrying her too. And you tell that story to a friend and you’re trying to explain something to them about how the mechanism of the brain works. And your friend says to you, well, what if there was no stream? And you’re like, oh, fuck, that didn’t work. I’m trying to explain something to you about how thoughts work. And he held the woman for a second, but his friend is still holding onto the thought for 10 minutes that he held the woman, and that at the root of what’s going on, you have a thought or a sensation before you act. Always, every single one of us is acting out of some sort of discomfort that we’re avoiding and the person who asked, what if there is no stream? They haven’t cultivated the awareness, enough awareness in their being to see the distinction between thoughts and sensations and their reactions. They only know reactions.


You don’t have to, can cultivate enough awareness to see where your actions come from, and then you can decide whether you want to do them or not, or you can play with them or you can have fun with them. There was a good one. Yesterday, I was on a thread with Matt Souza and I told that story about the drone to a friend that I was trying to explain to them how thoughts work. And they said, well, what if your son didn’t have a drone? It’s like, oh man, there’s this. Dao is saying, if I said to you guys, Hey, look at that, and I pointed at the moon, or let’s say I pointed at an airplane, and no matter what the person’s like, Hey man, are those fingernails on the tip of your finger? Are they dirty? When’s the last time you cut them? And you just cannot get them off of the person. They cannot for the life of them, get out of their head to look up. They’re always fucking reacting and yeah, sebi on Sunday trying to tell parables, thank you. That was, if I fucked that one up,

Mattew Souza (09:05):

Should have pressed better.

Sevan Matossian (09:09):

Jason Miller Krishnamurti has good discussion clips talking about the thought movement of desire for anyone. If you’re really just like, what the fuck’s he talking about? There’s some really simple things you can do to yourself. Just lie down on your back and just don’t move. Set an alarm for two minutes and absolutely just do not move. And if you scratch your forehead like that, you did it, you went unconscious because you’re supposed to be guarding yourself to not move. Just do not fucking move. And then do it for three minutes and do it for four minutes and see if you can just focus on your being enough so that you don’t react. And it’s going to be really hard for some of you really, really fucking hard to make it to The five minute market might be a lifetime of practice, but this is where you will cultivate enough awareness to take control of your life cock. I’ll do it if you wipe my ass. Yeah. Awesome. I wipe ass every day, buddy. Fucking, I’m an expert

Mattew Souza (10:18):

Cock. Got it. Clearly,

Sevan Matossian (10:22):

I don’t know if this is true, but I like the discussion. What Stephan is describing is a primary difference between us and other animal self-awareness and the ability for discernment to choose to be better than our instincts. I don’t know if it’s relevant to say that other animals can’t do it, but there’s good imagery there. At least that’s the thing. I hear you and I know wa, zombie party’s joking, but to do it around my kids is a great place to do it. I do it all the time around. My kids just open up. It’s called Holding the space. I just open up crazy space, crazy stillness. Crazy, crazy, crazy stillness. Sometimes people will get really upset if you do that too. If your wife wants to fight with you and you’re just like, you go into a place of stillness, she get pretty wound up.

Mattew Souza (11:17):

Has the opposite effect on her. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

Can’t you can’t. When I used to do yoga. Wow. What is Judy wearing? Judy. Judy embracing her Asian roots. Look at that hat.

Mattew Souza (11:30):

I was going to say across mayhem sweatshirt.

Sevan Matossian (11:35):

What if I told you

Mattew Souza (11:38):


Sevan Matossian (11:39):

I’m going to read some quotes to you here.

Mattew Souza (11:43):


Sevan Matossian (11:44):

Okay. You ready?

Mattew Souza (11:45):

Yeah. Fired up. Responding to ’em, or just taking a minute.

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

Justin Eros just came through because of luck.

Mattew Souza (11:56):

Okay. Untrue.

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

Ricky came back and it’s not easy for him, and next year we’ll lose him all together.

Mattew Souza (12:06):


Sevan Matossian (12:08):

All the athletes are injured. Pat. 100%. Pat Vellner with 100% guarantee won’t be on the podium next year. These are all quotes from a Roman Koff interview that just went down.

Mattew Souza (12:24):

Oh, no shit.

Sevan Matossian (12:25):

Yeah. What a stud. He’s putting it fucking out there. Here. Lemme see. I’ll pull up the interview so you guys can see it. Look at this shit.

Mattew Souza (12:37):

You said notes. Sorry, I didn’t even check. Look at

Speaker 5 (12:39):


Sevan Matossian (12:40):

No, I didn’t send notes. I didn’t send notes. And YouTube transcribes it, I guess. Translates. Translates crazy, right? The YouTube channel, CF 92, it has 30 comments. They’re all in Russian. This video has 7,400 views in two days. That means CrossFits pretty popular in Russia.

Mattew Souza (13:18):

Yeah, 17,000 subscribers.

Sevan Matossian (13:21):

Christine Young. I’m sure it was a miscommunication from Roman’s language barrier. By the way, this is reporting that I got from the great Pedro White or Irish brethren or European correspondent from Coffee Pods and Wads was sharing some of these tidbits this morning, which is evening for him. Oh, I was going to send Pedro an invite just in case he said he was visiting Santa with this kid today. I’m going to tell you some more good quotes too. You’re not even going to believe crazy Roman’s on fire. You think these things are true. You think, Pedro, maybe just your YouTube just didn’t translate it right?

Mattew Souza (14:06):

I think they’re a hundred percent true. I mean, I think he’s got a lot of confidence and I think that he wants to create some waves in the space.

Sevan Matossian (14:17):

I can’t find Pedro’s. I can’t find his, oh, here it is, Peter. Oh, I always fuck up. I have him as Peter. Oh, you think he’s doing it consciously? He’s not reacting to something he’s chosen?

Mattew Souza (14:32):

I think so, and I think he speaks a lot more English and I for sure, he understands a lot more English than he lets on, I would say with a few exceptions. He probably doesn’t need that translator as much as he leans on that translator. And I also say that’s just because last year I had interaction with him at Waza.

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Oh, with Roman?

Mattew Souza (14:54):

With Roman, very little. And half the time he would position himself and then I would see him walk and he was looking over my shoulder and he would peek in and watch my phone. It has all this background on it, and there’s lot of, there’s multiple times where people would be talking or something, and I would turn and he would say one word back to me in English that was completely funny, irrelevant to what they were talking about. And so that’s when I started to be like, okay, you understand a lot more than you let on to

Sevan Matossian (15:24):

Caulk a dude. Dude, we cannot pretend to be peers with what Russians watch, happy people. Documentary Zen is full

Mattew Souza (15:38):

Ian’s comment. If you were a Russian spy, why would you let us know how much English? You know?

Sevan Matossian (15:47):

Good point, good point. All emotions fall under this category of being able to watch them. That’s the trick. That’s why people think emotions are real. And by real, I mean if a car hits, you have to react to it hits you and you fly through the air.


And because emotions arise so fast and people don’t see where they come from, they haven’t cultivated enough awareness, they think they’re real. That’s one of the things that’s invaded the sciences and fucked up everything. Sevan, what are you talking about? For instance, there’s this confusion in the sciences between scientific work and surveys. If I do a study and I ask a hundred people, if CrossFit helps you with your loneliness rank on a one to 10, that is not science. You’re not participating in science. You’re doing a survey, and if I have it peer reviewed by a thousand people to see if my math is right, it is still not science.

Mattew Souza (17:00):

It’s a survey. Your cord’s wrapped around your headpiece too. I dunno if you feel

Sevan Matossian (17:06):

Oh, yeah. Oh, has that been bothering you, the whole show?

Mattew Souza (17:09):

No, actually I didn’t. I couldn’t tell what was going on. Then when you turned to the side a second ago, I was like, okay, it’s wrapped around.

Sevan Matossian (17:14):

I put this yellow bowl here with a little, with

Mattew Souza (17:17):

Skateboard in the bush on the other side.

Sevan Matossian (17:21):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You like that zen as fuck today as a caulk would say,

Mattew Souza (17:26):

I was like, did you move those? Yeah, those nice set.

Sevan Matossian (17:29):

So when these emotions come up, you don’t have to react to them. I mean, most of you do flies and insects. You have to and you’ll defend it. What’s crazy too is if I tell you that you don’t have to, you’ll defend it. You will defend it with your fucking life. That you have to be unconscious in the matrix.

Mattew Souza (17:50):

Yeah. Well, they have to defend that. The feeling isn’t a feeling. It’s guiding.

Sevan Matossian (17:54):

Yeah, it’s real.

Mattew Souza (17:56):

It’s real. Actually, that kind of ties in what Bernie had said, the separation.

Sevan Matossian (18:00):

What did he say? Tell me.

Mattew Souza (18:01):

Because animals are only going to act on instinct or emotion. Right? It’s scared it runs, but it can’t tell you why it ran. It’s like, I don’t know. I got this feeling and I ran. Have you ever listened to a Red Man search for Meaning by Victor

Sevan Matossian (18:16):

Franklin? Oh, pieces of it. God, yeah. Everyone always recommends that. So good. Right? You

Mattew Souza (18:21):

Should a hundred percent. Yeah, because he was a Holocaust survivor in Auschwitz, and he had wrote his whole manifesto on exactly what you’re talking about, which is actually widening the gap between what you feel and how you respond to what you feel with, and then recognizing that that’s actually the only thing you possess because everything else could be taken. But that’s the one freedom you possess

Sevan Matossian (18:49):

And you’re responsible for it and accountable to it. Yes.

Mattew Souza (18:52):

Yeah. So you could choose, even though they’re in the worst of conditions, he writes, I still was able to choose my attitude in the way I responded. I think his original question to himself was, why in the world didn’t everybody in here commit suicide? Why would you stay alive in the world’s worst circumstance knowing that it’s just going to be an agonizing death at the end of that road? And so it was interesting, but he had his whole manifesto taken and destroyed multiple times, and he just kept having to restart back over and rewrite it and restart

Sevan Matossian (19:26):

Back over. Oh, wow. Wow.

Mattew Souza (19:29):

So it’s a great book. There’s two parts of it. The first part is his steel stent titz and how the whole thing unfolded, and then the second part is his studies and realizations after that. It’s been a while since I’ve listened to it, so if you do it, I’ll reread it with you.

Sevan Matossian (19:49):

Okay. I’ll do it. I’ll start it today. I’ll

Mattew Souza (19:51):

Start it today. I think you enjoy it.

Sevan Matossian (19:52):

I’ll download it and listen to it today. It’ll probably change the whole direction of shows for two weeks. Every call I’ll be like, so

Mattew Souza (20:01):

Probably, but you’re already along the lines of thought there, so yeah,

Sevan Matossian (20:06):

Widen my depth, my breadth and depth. God. I like breadths breasts. God, I like breasts. There is a great example of this. I just remembered Hiller posted something talking about how Coke causes diabetes on his Instagram, and the first thing someone wrote is this coming from a man who drinks C two or energy drinks, and I’m like, holy fuck, dude. That person though thinks that that killer is pointing at two fucking oncoming trains that are about to hit and make the most amazing fucking explosion and show a fucking metal on metal explosion. And the person is like, oh, when’s the last time you washed your hands?

Mattew Souza (20:52):

It’s just

Sevan Matossian (20:54):

Fucking unreal to me. They mean I suspect they really mean it. They’re not trying to be funny that they really cannot do this. You guys have all seen it. You guys have all seen it. If you have a mate and you’ve argued with your mate, they do it to you all the time. Hey, you left the refrigerator open. Well, you left it open yesterday. It’s like, dude, really? I’m talking to you inside your head.

Mattew Souza (21:27):

Last night I was in the bathroom and I heard kind of this crash, and it wasn’t super loud. It almost felt like there was somebody left the water on and there was a stack of dishes, and the dish pile slid because the water weight was too much, but I knew we didn’t have a lot of dishes in the sink, so I was kind of like finished going to the bathroom and come out. There’s just a towel laying on the ground and just it’s already soaked in water, and Grace had taken out the water filter out of our refrigerator and was filling it up. I was like, oh no, what happened here? She goes, well, didn’t you hear the crash? You hear the crash and you didn’t even bother to check.

Sevan Matossian (21:57):

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mattew Souza (22:02):

I was like, so what does that have to do with what happened though? It was funny. Then she,

Sevan Matossian (22:09):

That’s when you look at the calendar. Oh, oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah,

Mattew Souza (22:15):

Yeah. She quickly came off it and she was just frustrated because all the water everywhere. I was just like

Sevan Matossian (22:23):

True caulk. I just think it’s ribbing, sarcasm. I don’t think it’s sarcasm. I think I know what you mean. I don’t think sarcasm is the right word. I think it’s just ribbing. No, I think that the vast majority of people just don’t want to go deeper, and anytime you don’t want to go deeper to the root of something, you just drag the other person in. All the reasons why people don’t like Donald Trump is because they just don’t want to go deeper. They’re annoyed by his smirks and his posture and his hair and all of the effects that make Donald Trump. They’re annoyed by them. They are annoyed by them, and so they react to that annoyance instead of being like, well, what did he say that was really racist about Mexicans? That all they need is CNN to be like, Hey, that guy’s fucking racist, and because of the way he acts, it feels it sticks good,


And it’s like this. I don’t like anal. I’ve never had a one night stand in my life. I’ve fucking never in my life have looked at a girl and fantasized about having sex with her before I was married, after I married. I just don’t do that. I’m not that guy. I don’t put that energy into people. I’m like so fucking normal. But because I do a piece a bit comparing sporty best tits to Danielle tits, which is to me is just anatomy, a lot of people would be like, well, that’s creepy when I know those same people who think that that’s creepy have a fucking notch thing on their fucking bed of how many girls they fucked at their CrossFit gym. You know what I mean?

Mattew Souza (24:01):

Now that’s

Sevan Matossian (24:02):

Creepy. I don’t think that’s creepy either, but it’s just there are correlates for what’s, it’s just off. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I wish I had my siren. Thank you. Thank you. Living rent free in my head, baby. I appreciate you. Let me know if it gets weird in there. I will try to keep it cozy. I just cleaned the sheets this morning for you, David. I’ve never had fantasies about gay sex at the US Senate. No. If that’s what you’re asking. I’m not going to talk about red cameras. Yeah, they’re crazy. Right? You know the origin behind red, I think it was made by who made it. It was like the O’Neill guys, or it was some surfing manufacturer that surf brand, the guy at one of these surf brands. I remember when they came on the scene hard. I’ve never imagined that I didn’t have legs. Sorry, I just wanted to include you. How is your saying? I know they have notches on the bed any different than someone saying, I know Hill or drinks C four. Oh God. I really want to understand what you’re saying,

Mattew Souza (25:24):


Sevan Matossian (25:25):

Exactly. I think it’s lost on him. Damn. Roll on floor laughing. Oh, I see what you’re saying. I’m not drawing a comparison there. I’m not drawing a comparison there where you think I’m saying I’m not drawing a comparison there. I don’t think I am.

Mattew Souza (26:00):


Sevan Matossian (26:01):

You’re saying, do you want to try to explain it to me

Mattew Souza (26:04):

What the Jedi common relevance to the notches on the bed versus Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (26:08):

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Mattew Souza (26:11):

Because I mean, if I had to take a stab in the dark, there’s one person is saying, Hey, this does this, and then rather than focusing on the subject of what this and the relationship between the person and what they’re saying, they’re focusing on the person’s actions, and then the person who shares greater than actions is focusing on your action. So even though they do something the same or greater than what you are actually talking about,

Sevan Matossian (26:41):

They’re like,

Mattew Souza (26:42):


Sevan Matossian (26:42):

Has greater, oh, you

Mattew Souza (26:42):

Are creepy, but it’s the same action.

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

I’m going with the presupposition that they’re projecting onto me creepiness, not their own creepiness. I don’t think I’m pointing at something completely different. I’m talking about just correlates in general. I don’t think that Hiller drinking the C four doesn’t mean that he’s not an expert on that Coke causes diabetes. It doesn’t take away from the fact, matter of fact, it maybe validates him more, and yet this person is saying it. Oh, no, no, I’m not invalidating it. Sorry, I’m not, okay, here we go. Jedi Nelson. Are you invalidating their opinion the same way they’re invalidating Hiller’s opinion? No. No. I’m not suggesting that they’re invalidating hiller’s opinion. I’m just saying that they’re not even listening, that they’re just fucking completely trapped in their fucking head. They’re not even what? Hiller’s actions have nothing to do with

Mattew Souza (27:57):

The statement he made with

Sevan Matossian (27:58):

The statement. He’s saying,

Mattew Souza (27:59):

It’s a straw man argument to then say, if Hiller’s like, Hey, don’t step into that fire, it’ll burn you, and someone’s like, well, you’re really mean. You said it terribly to me. They’re like, well, what does that have to do with you stepping in the fire and being burned? Now you’re talking about me.

Sevan Matossian (28:14):


Mattew Souza (28:15):

So goes, don’t drink Coca-Cola. It’ll give you diabetes, and it does to a bunch of people, and then somebody says, well, you’re drinking a C four. They say, but what does that have to do with my argument?

Sevan Matossian (28:25):

Right, right, right, right.

Mattew Souza (28:27):

Somebody goes, oh my gosh, you’re creepy. And you’re like, wait, how did you do the same exact actions, but way worse than just a statement I made? Then they’re projecting that onto you.

Sevan Matossian (28:40):


Mattew Souza (28:41):

It’s not a straw man argument at that point.

Sevan Matossian (28:45):

There’s probably a book out there with all the fallacies and argument, right? Logical

Mattew Souza (28:49):


Sevan Matossian (28:51):

Look at, yeah. Yeah. David, yeah, I got you. You. I’m not invalidating his opinion at all. It’s just the source. Oh, here we go. Se as a man that’s left four gyms for fucking people in my gym, I can tell you, you only get a notch if they’re about a seven on the hotness scale. Oh, wow. Look at this. Wow. That’s still good though.

Mattew Souza (29:29):

What about him?

Sevan Matossian (29:30):

Look at all these pictures and shit. Look at that logo. That’s like a folded up something and then he is got the rainbow, and that’s just a really nice post.

Mattew Souza (29:41):

It is a nice post. Thank you. The standard.

Sevan Matossian (29:44):

Oh, here we go, caulk. Okay. Wow. We’re getting at some shit this morning. We’ll get back to Roman in a minute, dude. Sev, the dude is saying the dude, God, I like a cock clip it sev. The dude is saying that the notch in the bedpost is.

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