Sevan Matossian (00:01):
Bam. We’re live. Caleb Beaver from a RV somewhere in the United States doing God’s work. An Hello Chico firefighter, CrossFit games athlete. Saxon Panache. You. Saxon
Saxon Panchik (00:15):
Not anymore.
Sevan Matossian (00:17):
Owned a CrossFit affiliate. Came out of same
Saxon Panchik (00:20):
Athlete, owned an affiliate mentor of an affiliate with my brother Coach. I’ve seen it all
Sevan Matossian (00:28):
Come out of the womb of the same womb as two other CrossFit games athletes. You guys shared the same wound, one of them at the same time. Fuck, that must have been tight. Don’t get it twisted. Don’t send your hate DMS dispenser. This is Saxon. Look at the fucking name you can send. Thanks guys for having you on. What a time we had the CrossFit Games. A crazy wild situation, obviously with the death of Lazar Juki, one of the athletes best guy ever to come out of Europe for a long time. Three time champion over there. And then in both you guys competed in the games this year. And then the startling news to me for, by the way, Saxon may look young, but because of his grant old ass brother, I’ve seen Saxon at the game since the dawn of time. He used to be Scott’s bag boy before Scott became his bag boy. So Saxon’s been around forever. And then Angelo has a crazy historical knowledge himself and competitive experience. You competed as a kid too, right?
Angelo DiCicco (01:52):
Yeah.
Sevan Matossian (01:53):
And then obviously everyone knows when Scott Vander sluts not around holding Rich’s nuts. Angelo steps in.
Angelo DiCicco (01:59):
Yeah. Yep. Well, when we’re both there, I get the right, he gets the left usually.
Sevan Matossian (02:03):
Alright, Saxon. So thanks for coming on. And Saxon, not that you guys needed that introduction, but it’s good. So Saxon, you competed the entire games?
Saxon Panchik (02:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I competed the whole games. We were talking a little bit before and I’ve seen a lot of different CrossFit games. I started CrossFit back in 2008 as a consumer. I didn’t even know what the CrossFit games were at the time. I was just a kid going in an affiliate looking to beat my brothers. But that’s kind of where I started. I’ve been to the games in some capacity since 2012, whether that was cheering my brother on, coaching him and then eventually competing at the CrossFit games. So I feel like I’ve seen quite a bit, although like you said, I may look young and got a little beard coming in, but I’ve been around for quite some time and I’ve seen a lot of different, so yeah, this year was very interesting and I just kind of want to speak on some of those things that we saw
(03:05):
Bring a little more light to things. I feel like this is a very hard time for anyone to speak because there’s so much criticism. No matter what you say, no one’s going to say the right thing. People are going to hate you and some people are going to love you. But at the end of the day, my number one thing is I want to see this community come together. I know, and that’s why I fell in love with this is not because of the CrossFit games, but because of what’s happening inside an affiliate. And when you get to the CrossFit games, that’s just amplified so much more. It’s like you have every single affiliate just surrounded around you if you’re competing. And I want to be able to bring that together more. And I want to be able to see us come together and stop with the hate and figure out and put all the facts out there. Let people come up with their own opinions. Because at the end of the day, there’s loud people out there putting their opinions out and it’s not everyone’s opinion. So people are going to probably hate what I say. That’s okay. Some people are going to like it. That’s also fine. I just want facts. And that’s it.
Sevan Matossian (04:10):
I hear you and it sounds really good, but what about when you ask for someone to step down? Who invented the games? Who’s been here forever? Who’s been here longer than anyone who’s done so much for everyone, whether they know it or not and built that it’s going to, it’s cause a division, right? I mean, absolutely. Yeah, you’re right. Part of me, I don’t want to be mean to anyone, but at the end of the day I feel like we’re in this arena. We’ve stepped into this arena now someone’s like, Hey, we’re coming after Dave and we’re coming after Dave with this organization called the PFAA and man, as much as I’d like to, I agree with you. Those days were fucking awesome. The Invictus days and the love tunnels and all the pan shakes there with their mom and dad and they all work out together and the affiliate and the camera pans over ’em and they’re in the stands and yeah, that shit was great. But this is a tough time, tough time to get through.
Saxon Panchik (05:19):
I don’t think the CrossFit games, I don’t think anyone expected them to be what they are today. It kind of turned into its own its own beast and that’s okay. But if you go back and you look at the original days, it was just people throwing down to throw down and want to beat each other at the ranch in the dirt. And that’s kind of how it started. It turned into this thing where more people are coming in, more opinions are going to come in. And at the end of the day, we need to remember Dave started this on the ranch. He created essentially the CrossFit games with Greg Glassman and I find it very for you, for people to come in and want to push ’em out without all the facts.
Angelo DiCicco (06:03):
Yep, exactly. Yeah, it was too quick, too early. And I think that they even doubled down on the fact that I guess in the coffee pods and wads that they think it was, the timing was fine. And I don’t really understand how you could say that without knowing. Yeah, well I guess they don’t care to say that. Oh yeah, this was Dave’s fault. A hundred percent. It almost doesn’t even have anything to do with that. That’s honestly the biggest issue is it doesn’t really even stem from the whole issue at the games with Lazar drowning. It doesn’t have to do anything with that.
Saxon Panchik (06:38):
That it started back in. Yeah,
Angelo DiCicco (06:40):
Exactly.
Saxon Panchik (06:42):
And I’ve seen it since then.
Sevan Matossian (06:44):
Seeing what
Saxon Panchik (06:47):
An agenda at the end of the day, an agenda, when I had conversations with the PFA, I asked how many people, because I didn’t vote on this letter going out. That’s the fact I asked how many people before this letter went out, how many people I recall, seven. We might say nine, seven to nine. I’ll give ’em the benefit of the doubt. Seven to nine people at 7, 2, 9 people voted on that going out that I was made aware of
Angelo DiCicco (07:14):
And there was 79 individual athletes in the games this year.
Sevan Matossian (07:18):
So wait a second, we’re when did you find that out? After it went out, you made some inquiries and you’re like, Hey,
Saxon Panchik (07:25):
I find out this week
Sevan Matossian (07:28):
After the letter went out, after this thing, after the
Saxon Panchik (07:30):
Letter went out and there was conversations. Don’t get me wrong, there were conversations with large groups of people, training camp coaches, coaches in general, agents, athletes of all levels. But no one was made aware of. I mean, I’m sure they talked about that on a Zoom call. I was on one of the Zoom calls and it was just so much, in my opinion, a lot of things that weren’t about the safety in finding the best way to move forward and taking care of Lazar and to make sure that this doesn’t happen again. I’ve just seen so many different agendas and so many different people speaking different things that what’s this really about? If you’re going to say, oh, seven to nine people voted on this, this was with the entire board. It was unanimous, but yet people were upset that 78% of people voted to continue to move on with the games and that was sent out to every single athlete. But yet you go and do the same thing. That’s where I’m going to draw the line.
Sevan Matossian (08:38):
Meaning CrossFit took the time to get everyone’s vote on what to do, but the board that’s supposed to rep, and if I’m mischaracterizing it, sorry, but there’s also this picture being painted that the athletes weren’t checked in on. Right. On one hand they’re saying they weren’t, but yet the board that claims that they represent the athletes, the PFAA, they only checked in with 10 or less.
Angelo DiCicco (09:05):
Exactly. It’s exactly the opposite of what it sounds like to everyone. Because I did hear what Brent said, that in their little group meeting that he said, maybe this is true, I wasn’t there, but he said, Dave, you can’t say that this was in collaboration with the athletes because no one’s in the right frame of mind to be making this kind of decision. But the next day he went and said that it was in collaboration. What was he supposed to say? He talked to all of us. We voted and everyone had a say. And yes, I do want to compete or no, I don’t want to compete. So when they asked me,
Saxon Panchik (09:36):
And here’s the thing, I was cool. At the end of the day, we had the conversation of Brent didn’t want this coming from the athletes that we collaborated at the games. So you’re telling me you want CrossFit to hear you out, and then when it comes time to make the decision and everybody had a say in it, you don’t want them to say that that was collaboration, that we had a conversation about it. How does that even make sense?
Angelo DiCicco (10:02):
By sending out a poll to all of us and letting us vote on it and us having you were there. It was hours of us. We were there for an hour and a half, two hours. And at a certain point I’m like, I don’t even know if we’re going to compete if this keeps going on. We just need to come to a conclusion. And then we up
Saxon Panchik (10:17):
Call groups and how many stood up? This is my thing when shit gets hard, how many of these guys stood up in front of 500 of the people?
Angelo DiCicco (10:26):
Yeah, I only remember you and Cole.
Saxon Panchik (10:29):
Dave stood up and took it
Angelo DiCicco (10:30):
Immediately. He
Saxon Panchik (10:31):
Took it and yeah, people were coming after him. I get it. Yeah. People had the right for what they understood at the time. I understand why people wanted to come after him and have those, but it was about having the conversations, but none of these guys stood up of like, oh, we told you this, we told you that, but then we all continue to compete and then all of a sudden the games finish. And we told you this and we told you that. And that’s the other thing I want to get into is the stuff, the conversations that we had about the PFA and the games was about heat acclimation. Yes, absolutely. But it was how many events are going to be outside? And I mean, I could pull the statement up, but how many events are going to be outside? And CrossFits rebuttal was less than you saw in Madison or Carson.
Sevan Matossian (11:21):
When was this a month before the game or a week?
Saxon Panchik (11:23):
I want to say back in June, maybe July.
Sevan Matossian (11:26):
So even before the semifinals.
Saxon Panchik (11:29):
I’d have to look at the exact date.
Sevan Matossian (11:32):
I think the semifinals were the end of May
Saxon Panchik (11:35):
In the early June, end of May. So where was I going with that?
Sevan Matossian (11:41):
I’ll remind you, but let me ask you this. I’ll remind you, where do these conversations of heat take place? You’re talking through email? Through email. Through email.
Saxon Panchik (11:52):
That’s an email that I received.
Sevan Matossian (11:55):
Okay. And so you’re saying that PFA shared with you as a member of the PFAA, the conversations they were having with CrossFit, trying to get information of how many events were going to be outside.
Saxon Panchik (12:09):
And they said, and here’s the thing, you put the facts together of what it is. Okay. Less than Madison. Okay. Well, there was about four to five events in Madison, which is going to leave you with about two to three events outside first week of July, four weeks out from the games, we learned that we were going to do a run swim, exact distance, exact swim. So we knew that we were going to be doing a log event outside. That was four weeks out, three weeks out from the games we learned that we’re going to have Friday night lights at night, 1600 meter run and then a sprint. So that’s, there was plenty of time for heat acclimation. And really I would say a lot of that was the financial burden that athletes are going to have to spend to get to the heat. We knew it was in Texas, we knew it was going to be hot, and we knew that there were going to be some events outside.
Angelo DiCicco (12:53):
You knew that as soon as they announced it, you can just assume if you have been to the games or even if you watch the games at all, then you can understand, okay, we’re in Texas, we’re probably going to go outside. And then they said exactly where you’re going to go outside for less, but we will be outside.
Sevan Matossian (13:08):
And he gave the times, by the way, we knew Friday night Lights when the sun would be down, and he did announce that the tentative scheduling for the run swim was 7:00 AM but they might start it as early as six. And as you guys all know, when we got there it was dark and the sun was not out.
Saxon Panchik (13:28):
So I mean that’s where I’m like, okay, well now we’re pointing the fingers. We said this, we said that. Okay. And we can put a little puzzle piece together to understand, okay, well this is what we’re looking at. So for me, I felt like we had all the information that we needed to, and I mean at the end of the day, it’s like throughout all of the other stages of the CrossFit season or the CrossFit games, we know the workouts the open. We have four or five days to go through it. You look at quarterfinals, we have an entire weekend to go through it. Semifinals. We had a five weeks to go through it, the unknown and the unknowable. And here’s the thing, I would say we probably knew, I don’t know, maybe 50 to 60, maybe 70% of the workouts for the weekend. At some point, that’s what we’re signing up for. We’re signing up to not know workouts. And to me, it just feels like people want all the workouts to go out so we can prepare and do this and that, but that’s,
Angelo DiCicco (14:22):
It’s not what, it’s CrossFit.
Saxon Panchik (14:25):
That’s everyday life. That’s why we train. That’s why I have a 60-year-old in the gym that’s training so that they can get out of bed. Or you have something that happens outside, someone flips their car, you got a group of CrossFitters that can come flip the car, like the unknown in the unknowable. That’s what we train for.
Sevan Matossian (14:44):
And on that note, I do remember at least a half dozen athletes that I interviewed when the semifinal leaks worked. Sorry, when the semifinal leaks take three, when the semifinal workouts leaked, they were upset. Not that they leaked, but because then they were going to be tempted to do them so many times and possibly incur injury. So you can’t have a Both ways
Saxon Panchik (15:10):
People train stupid in anything that you do. If you understand, I would like to think if you’re going to the CrossFit games that you have an understanding of programming. If you don’t, you should probably take your level one.
Angelo DiCicco (15:24):
Yeah, that’d be a good place to start.
Saxon Panchik (15:28):
You know what I mean? And I’ll go off on this. I’m not saying everybody on the p FFA doesn’t have their level one, level two, level three, because I know people that signed off on that do, but I will say some of the people probably don’t, and I know they don’t. How can you want CrossFit to listen to
Sevan Matossian (15:40):
You? Pat’s proud that he doesn’t have his level one. I think here’s
Saxon Panchik (15:43):
Thing, how do you expect CrossFit to listen to you if you’re not even willing to listen to their methodology? It works both ways. So that’s at the end of the day, maybe they don’t understand the methodology. Maybe they don’t understand. I’m not going to fault ’em for not understanding CrossFit.
Angelo DiCicco (15:59):
Yeah, the unknown and unknowable. And I know I speak for Saxon. I for sure when I say that we like the game so much, we want to continue to compete in the games because that’s our favorite part. The other stages are just an opportunity to get to the games and have a chance at that unknown and unknowable. And I look forward to that part every
Saxon Panchik (16:19):
Year. That’s why we train. That’s why we train. I want you to stump me because I want to know where I can go get better. Of course, if you have the answers to the test, yes, chances are you’re not going to be exposed. It’s going to come down to more like a semifinal race where it’s coming down to just milliseconds or who has strategy on
Sevan Matossian (16:36):
A machine. Lemme play devil’s advocate here. Maybe that’s why some people want to separate the sport from the methodology so badly.
Saxon Panchik (16:45):
Yeah, well maybe they should go sporting on their own.
Angelo DiCicco (16:48):
Yeah, but exactly. I think like what Saxon said, it’s one and the same. It’s one and the same about you might have to go help somebody. You see somebody on the side of the road with their car flipped over. Now you’ve done tire flips and you’re affiliate. Now you are like, Hey, there’s a group of us. We can go flip that car over and get that person out. It’s the same thing for the CrossFit game, just at a little bit of different level.
Sevan Matossian (17:10):
And I’m sure you use your fitness in the unknown and unknowable every day you’re at work.
Angelo DiCicco (17:14):
Yeah, exactly.
Sevan Matossian (17:16):
David Wynn restore athletes trust in CrossFit sport. Any athlete that doesn’t trust the sport they want to participate in is welcome to refrain. So I hear that and that makes sense, but is a little bit, what about the pushback that, hey, someone wrote in my comments, Hey, how can you think they don’t care? And I’m like, wait a second. I never said that. They don’t care. I think that the people who fucking give their kids vaccine one hour after they’re born, I think that they think that they care, even though they’re injecting their kid with big pharma drugs one hour after the kid’s born forever changing the immune system. Do I think that they know they’re fucking the kid up? No. The doctor told them, Hey, do you want your kid to get a venereal disease? And the parent’s not thinking and they take the shot, right? That’s the one that they give you right when you’re born, which is bizarre world. So I don’t think we disagree. Well, let me ask you that. Do you disagree that when you say these agendas, one of the agendas might be that they want to make the sport better? You think that there’s other agendas?
Saxon Panchik (18:17):
Yeah, I mean everybody has an agenda. I had an agenda to come on here and spit the facts. You’re not doing something if you don’t have an agenda.
Sevan Matossian (18:28):
But I think we take it carte blanche that their agenda is to make the sport better, and
Saxon Panchik (18:33):
It’s not to make the sport better, it’s to make it how they want it.
Sevan Matossian (18:36):
Yeah, absolutely.
Saxon Panchik (18:38):
Things that are going to give them more security. The thing is, the sport didn’t start off to create a career for athletes. That’s not why it started. It turned into that somewhat. But you go back and you look, I mean you even heard Rich speak on it in one of the documentaries, if I recall. But he said that if he didn’t win the games, he was going back to the fire department. To me, that’s it. And I think it’s turned into this thing that can create more money and people see opportunities and potential, but at the end of the day, Dave created it. Greg Glassman created it, and how they want that to be is how they want it to be. What’s to say if this turns into something so big that it becomes too much for anyone to handle?
Sevan Matossian (19:29):
Dana White said recently in the last year, being a UFC fighter is not a job. It’s an opportunity. And I thought that was pretty apropos for what we have here in CrossFit too, maybe even more so, right?
Angelo DiCicco (19:44):
Hey,
Sevan Matossian (19:44):
Dude, this isn’t a job. It’s an opportunity. And I think that there’s some confusion there.
Angelo DiCicco (19:50):
Yeah. Yeah, I think so too.
Sevan Matossian (19:54):
Being a firefighter is a job. Owning a CrossFit gym is a job. Being a CrossFit athlete’s an opportunity to become the fittest person alive, but it’s not there. It’s not a job.
Saxon Panchik (20:08):
I mean, at the end of the day, it’s like, and here’s the thing. If the young athletes that I’ve spoken to, even at the games, they wanted to continue these young athletes, and I’m kind of in the middle of that pack, but we fell in love with it for what it was. We fell in love with it for who was doing it at the moment.
(20:31):
I just feel like a lot of the people that are talking are people on their way out looking for a career. Because at the end of the day, man, I look at this. I’ve given everything I have to CrossFit. I’ve been doing it since I was 10 or 11 years old. I didn’t go to college because I wanted to be in an affiliate. I wanted to learn to become a better coach, to become better athlete, to change lives. And when I’m done competing, I don’t know what I’m going to do. I don’t have a degree. I gave everything that I have to CrossFit. And you have a lot of these people that maybe they don’t understand that and what their plans are after CrossFit, and maybe they’re trying to create a plan for themselves or an exit strategy, but if you look a lot of these young athletes, they fell in love with it because it was the unknowable, because how the games were ran and how we were challenged. And at the end of the day, I just feel like a lot of people talking are either retired athletes or people on their way out or people that didn’t make the games, and they’re trying to figure out a way to create longevity in it. I just want to make sure that the methodology and what made CrossFit so special doesn’t get lost in that. For me, I’m going to make sure that I go to ends meet to make sure that that is held in place.
Sevan Matossian (21:41):
Hey, earlier you guys said something about in 2020 it started their agenda. Could you expand on that?
Saxon Panchik (21:49):
Yeah, I would say, I mean, back in 2020, we had a lot of calls. There was a lot of plans on different structures that we could move forward with the season. And Greg Glassman obviously, and I had conversations when Greg put his thing out and people were upset. I told specific people on the PFA, Hey, if you don’t like it, go tell Greg Glassman that have the conversation with him. Hey, we want you to sell. We think you’re no longer fit for this position. Have that conversation. Greg wouldn’t sell. What happened? Greg sold first message I sent, Hey, Greg sold. Did you see that? Oh, I thought Greg wasn’t going to sell. You know what I mean? Well, maybe you should step up and have the conversation. And that leads to everything Today. It’s like all of this stuff is behind emails and this and that. I said, if you have a problem, then roll up the hq. Say, listen, we’re not leaving here until we come to a solution and we get it in an agreement. We have a contract. I want to see this sport succeed and I want take care of the athletes. That’s the conversation that should be had. Not putting it out to try and get the community, and I don’t even want to say community, but the division, they’re creating more of a
Angelo DiCicco (22:55):
Divide. Exactly.
Saxon Panchik (22:58):
There’s no reason to divide anymore. Let’s come to a freaking solution.
Angelo DiCicco (23:03):
I don’t understand why this should have been the biggest thing that brought everyone together that this is such an opportunity. It made me think of, I mean, sax and I are really young for nine 11, but it makes me think of how nine 11 was where everything came together because we went through this huge tragedy together, and as across the community, it’s way worse after the fact when that’s not how it should be. It should be okay. We need to get together and come up with a plan together and not call for someone’s head who’s at the top of it, who we don’t used as an opportunity to get rid of somebody. Finally. That’s just not the way.
Saxon Panchik (23:42):
Just to add on to that, and I’m sorry I’m hot tonight, but people say,
Sevan Matossian (23:47):
I like Hot Saxon. I like Hot Saxon.
Saxon Panchik (23:49):
But for people to say, we’re going through hell week and buds and this and that, you guys are acting like Dave’s telling us to jump out of a helicopter in the middle of the woods and wait and make it back to the venue. At no point for me, at no 0.1 did I ever feel unsafe or felt like we were asked to do something unreasonable. I felt like that’s never happened. Two from 2012 to present day. I have yet to see anyone stand up in an athlete brief and say that they have some type of concern with outside of movement standards. If people felt unsafe at any point, then speak up. You look, Scott spoke up about his foot and he went to ends meet to make sure that those ropes were cut. He showed up next week at the semi-final and said, these ropes need cut, and what happened? They were cut. You know what I mean? If it’s something that you believe in, then step up and actually do something about it. Stop trying to get people behind you to back. You step up and just do it. Be a leader.
Sevan Matossian (24:47):
Well, you know what their excuse is, you’ll be blackballed. And the classic example of that is, is look at Matt Fraser had the most contentious relationship in the history of CrossFit with Dave, and he’s filthy rich and he has five titles. So it seemed to work out for him, and he did two open announcements. So I call bullshit on that. I will tell you two times, I do know of two instances where athletes did have concerns with the water. They told the HQ staff ahead of times and they were both given escorts on the swim. So it’s kind of to prove your point that if you do speak up in certain situations,
Saxon Panchik (25:21):
Obviously I’ll say this at the athlete brief, no one had any concerns. The only concern was people didn’t want to wear swim caps. That was the only concern. But if people worried about the temperature, nobody said it then and there when we were going through everything, of course, here’s the thing, I didn’t know that about the water temperature if it was over 87 x, y, Z, but if nothing happened, would anyone have mentioned that? At the end of the day, it’s easy to go break down anything in the facts after of, well, we could have done this, we could have done that better, but at the end of the day, let’s just come up with a solution and let’s make sure this doesn’t happen again, and let’s get our community to rally behind each other.
Angelo DiCicco (26:04):
Yeah, yeah. Actually get the interest of what everyone thinks and not speak, not say you speak for everybody and get a small group of people that you all agree with in an echo chamber and come out with these list of demands when, I mean, you have plenty of athletes just like Saxon, who don’t agree with it and want to find a solution together that we all can agree on and not have a certain group come out with something that no one agrees on.
Saxon Panchik (26:35):
Here’s the thing, I’m not hating on everything the PFA is doing. I respect some of the things they’re doing. I don’t respect them calling for Dave. That’s the one thing, like, okay, I can see some of the stuff that you were saying and what you wanted to get across. I get that. Okay, let’s move forward with that. But to go after someone, before people even know, they act like they were sitting in the room and they watched him create protocols and it was all on him. You don’t think Dave feels horrible? You don’t think anyone else there feels horrible? I don’t know. That’s the one thing that I just don’t understand is you’re going after one person for one thing, but just to me it feels like, and the information that I’ve gathered is it’s for a greater purpose to push an agenda, and I’ll go through this. I talked to some of the members of the PFAA and I asked him, I said, what do you think of,
Sevan Matossian (27:30):
Are you a member two Saxon? Are you a member?
Saxon Panchik (27:32):
I wouldn’t say, I’m not a voting member as to those nine people. Those,
Sevan Matossian (27:37):
Are you a member, Angelo?
Angelo DiCicco (27:39):
No, no, I’m not eligible.
Sevan Matossian (27:41):
Oh, okay. So you not really, you’re not eligible.
Angelo DiCicco (27:44):
I mean, technically maybe. I think it’s based on individual success in the last 24 months, I think.
Sevan Matossian (27:51):
Okay.
Angelo DiCicco (27:52):
For the most
Sevan Matossian (27:52):
Part. Okay. Sorry, Saxon, go ahead.
Saxon Panchik (27:54):
So I want to say this. I’ll say I asked him, I said, did you see the master’s workouts or the team workouts? No. Okay, well, are those guys not a part of the community? People are worried about the SoCal workouts of what they’re going to do. Okay, well, what about the masters in teens
Angelo DiCicco (28:13):
Doing the CrossFit games?
Saxon Panchik (28:14):
But you’re not going to review that. But yet you go and you look on social media and who shows up for the master’s competition all weekend. They even Dawn, they’re catching all of this heat right now, and they still showed up while everybody else is sitting there calling for their heads. At the end of the day, it’s like, don’t say that you’re looking for one thing whenever you go and you do another and you can’t back up what you’re saying.
Sevan Matossian (28:35):
And you could argue that the teens and the masters need more supervision than the individual and the teams for sure. Yeah, you could. It would be very,
Saxon Panchik (28:44):
I think everybody deserves the equal amount of attention. If everything’s being done the right way, it should be equal across the board. We’re taking care of everybody,
Angelo DiCicco (28:52):
Not just taking care of ourselves.
Sevan Matossian (28:54):
Angelo, did Car Saunders’ husband throw insults at you?
Angelo DiCicco (28:58):
Yes, and that’s all I’ll say.
Saxon Panchik (29:02):
I just want to address this KF person because Yeah, I’m going to get into these comments. kf, I would love to know if you were actually at the games and you’re asking about actual legitimate lifeguards.
Sevan Matossian (29:15):
Were you there? Just so you know, he’s one of the few trolls we have in here. And
Saxon Panchik (29:20):
What’s K Karen?
Sevan Matossian (29:23):
It’s probably Karen. Those a lot, man. I haven’t seen what K F’s posting, but I saw Hiller in there. Tell him to shut the fuck up and for ary that he doesn’t usually talk like that. He called him a retard too, so. Oh, wow. Yeah,
Saxon Panchik (29:41):
They act like these weren’t lifeguards. I’m just saying
Sevan Matossian (29:43):
Saxon, you’re forgetting. He’s the director and didn’t hire lifeguards. You don’t know that. You don’t know that. And come on, bro. No, you come on, bro. And you’re too emotional. But Saxon, you’re not emotional at all. Don’t even listen. He’s retarded. That means it’s,
Saxon Panchik (29:57):
That’s why he’s sitting there behind kf and I got s.
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