Live Call In | Glassman Files Ep. 3

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

A little bit. If we want little self-reflection, bam. We’re live. Hey, good morning.

Mattew Souza (00:04):

Good morning,

Sevan Matossian (00:07):

Guys. Sorry I’m late. One minute. Uh, every once in a while I come sit in the office and, um, one of the cameras is off the main camera. Hey, I, I, I was, I was on the phone late with Jay last night. Uhhuh just like talking about, um, just stuff that we need to build out the room. It was exciting

Mattew Souza (00:29):

That that table came, right? Yeah. That was, you were talking to the other day.

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

Table came. So I think we need a a, a tv, a couple more cameras, and then a producer’s desk.

Mattew Souza (00:41):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It’s gonna look sick.

Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Yeah, it’s gonna be crazy.

Mattew Souza (00:45):


Sevan Matossian (00:46):

Nice shirt. Who? Hi. Golf. Golf. Foxtrot. Yankee

Mattew Souza (00:50):


Sevan Matossian (00:51):

Hey, you know what’s funny is, um, uh, so some people have categorized this show as a, like a, a hater show or something, maybe? I don’t know.

Mattew Souza (01:03):

I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (01:04):

Let’s just say that they have, just for the sake of this argument, I don’t know if anyone really has. Okay. But then there’s haters in the com. Sometimes there’s like a couple haters in the comments. Like there’s a couple people who just every, and so what if you’re a hater on a hater show, <laugh>, it’s like, it’s like next level. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s like the dude in the strip club who’s throwing fives instead of ones <laugh>. It’s crazy. It, it’s also interesting that no one in the chat engages like the straight up haters. Like as I watch The Haters, there’s a shoot him up. There’s a guy who’s like, shoot him up something in his name. Have you seen this guy? He’s like, new. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (01:38):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I know who you’re talking about.

Sevan Matossian (01:41):

And he, um, there’s been like three, there’s, uh, 12 daily doses, Tom Fish and the shoot him up guy. And they talk in like this. I don’t know if they mean to, but just when they write, it just comes across like they’re absolutely fucking close-minded and angry and, um, just con just living triggered mode.

Mattew Souza (02:04):

Yeah. <laugh> on standby.

Sevan Matossian (02:07):

Oh. Oh, I got to talk to Seema Boobs last night. That was

Mattew Souza (02:09):

Crazy. I know when she called.

Sevan Matossian (02:11):

Yeah. I couldn’t tell if it was my voice shaking or her voice <laugh>.

Mattew Souza (02:17):

That was good.

Sevan Matossian (02:18):

Like the lady from Pretty and Pink is here.

Mattew Souza (02:20):

We got How many calls did we get last night? Two, three.

Sevan Matossian (02:24):

Yeah, we’re on a roll. That show needs a lot of calls. That show needs to be just me. Like, oh my God, I have to turn the phone off.

Mattew Souza (02:29):

Well, it already improved by 300%, so we’re on our way.

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

Thank you. Wow.

Mattew Souza (02:33):


Sevan Matossian (02:34):

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 300% increase. Um, anyway, I just, I just wonder, a couple things I notice about those people, no one engages with those people really very little. And, uh, and, and they’re hater. I don’t know. They’re just next level haters. I,

Mattew Souza (02:51):

There’s nothing to engage, like you said, it’s like a triggered like, comment and a lot of times it’s not, um, very well thought out, you know?

Sevan Matossian (03:01):

No, right. Not thought out, not well thought out at all. Yeah. Almost like begging for attention as opposed to saying something.

Mattew Souza (03:08):

That’s what I see

Sevan Matossian (03:08):

There. Adding value.

Mattew Souza (03:10):


Sevan Matossian (03:11):

There’s only one person on the show that can be begging for attention. Uh, listen to the PRS all day podcast. Uh, that’s the Craig Howard podcast, episode 39 prs all day with Nicole. You’re right. Uh, se slow Start, but she get was great. Yeah. I, um, Craig, how I didn’t really, Craig Howard talks kind of slow. I, but I mean, at one five I was cruising with him.

Mattew Souza (03:35):

Yeah. I think he’s

Sevan Matossian (03:36):

Just, or maybe he’s just very well thought out. Is

Mattew Souza (03:38):

That’s what I was gonna that’s exactly what I was gonna say. Yep. Especially with an episode like that, I think he really wants to like, get it right and like, be articulate in what he is saying to Nicole and Precise.

Sevan Matossian (03:49):

I love last night’s CrossFit game show. Had zero games Talk

Mattew Souza (03:53):


Sevan Matossian (03:54):

As I as I as I went on, um, as as, as we went on yesterday, I think in the beginning of the show, I said, maybe we even need to change the name of the show to just cross the CrossFit show instead of the CrossFit game show, the CrossFit update show

Mattew Souza (04:13):

And the CrossFit calling. People have to call in.

Sevan Matossian (04:18):

I always like that show because there’s so many topics that we actually don’t like on the list that we don’t get to. I really, there were a couple topics I did not wanna get to last night. I did not want it. I did not wanna bring up the, uh, the cocktails podcast. I just thought it would turn into just unhealthy talk

Mattew Souza (04:38):

Slinging mud.

Sevan Matossian (04:40):

Yeah. Just, yeah. Just not, not zero positivity. Good morning, Paulina. How Roberts Good morning. Uh, let’s get this bam thing started.

Mattew Souza (04:50):

Zero positivity.

Sevan Matossian (04:51):

We’re missing. We’re, we’re missing our guest.

Mattew Souza (04:56):

I’m the fill in

Sevan Matossian (04:58):

<laugh>. We don’t have the founder, but we have the affiliate founder of one of the affiliates. <laugh> s Leaky I loved last night’s show. Awesome. Uh, Travis b You had 30, you you had 30 minutes to stroke killer’s cock last night. At least it just needed to be done. I just thought it was, oh, good morning, Sarah. Wow. It’s been a minute.

Mattew Souza (05:20):

Oh, she see this?

Sevan Matossian (05:22):

It’s been a minute. Oh, yeah. Sarah, did you see this? Look at this. Can we, can we put it somewhere else? Can we put it in the upper left?

Mattew Souza (05:32):

Yeah. Put it wherever you want.

Sevan Matossian (05:33):

Can we

Mattew Souza (05:34):

Put it up there? I mean, I have to go back and switch it on the, um, oh, the graphics. But I could put it wherever you want. What do you want?

Sevan Matossian (05:39):

That way it won’t, uh, cover our beloved, uh, paper Street.

Mattew Souza (05:42):

Hmm. Yes. That squared away.

Sevan Matossian (05:47):

Yeah. That’s cool. Oh shit. Oh shit. I forgot to shoot my peptides last night.

Mattew Souza (05:53):

Already. Fucking up,

Sevan Matossian (05:54):

Man. I was like four or five days in hour. I don’t think need to shoot it every day. I think it was, I read that it’s every other day. The cord will be fixed soon enough. <laugh>, you The cord was fixed. You wanna know what’s funny? I’ll show you. The cord was fixed with this

Mattew Souza (06:10):


Sevan Matossian (06:11):

I did not do that. I had a professional come in and, and then this gave way, and you know what’s crazy is this just tore paint off the wall. <laugh>. So this was fixed by something. The cord was fixed and now there’s paint torn off the wall. God

Mattew Souza (06:26):


Sevan Matossian (06:26):

I’m gonna slap someone.

Mattew Souza (06:28):

High budget. High budget <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (06:32):

Uh, your arm will fall off Sevy if I don’t shoot it or if I do shoot it. Oh, look. Yeah, look there. You can see the paint that came off

Mattew Souza (06:41):


Sevan Matossian (06:42):

That sucks.

Mattew Souza (06:43):

It only caused damage to your wall. That’s the only thing that happened.

Sevan Matossian (06:47):

I got so frustrated. I probably shouldn’t tell the story with my wife last year, because she used tax on our fireplace mantle to hold up a kids’ stockings. Mm-hmm.


Yeah. We bought these things that were heavy, that sit on top of the fireplace mantle. Yeah. And then they loop over and then you hang the stocking from it. It’s like this, I don’t know this J weight or something, I don’t know what you call it, but for some reason they didn’t work because of the beveled edge of our fireplace mantel. And so my wife just put, and I was like, how does that work? And she goes, what do you mean? I’m like, well pull. There’s gonna be a ho. Oh, wow. Look at you. We’re gonna, now it just needs to be smaller.

Mattew Souza (07:26):


Sevan Matossian (07:27):

We’re gonna pull the tax out and there’s gonna be holes there. Uhoh. Oh, shit.

Mattew Souza (07:33):


Sevan Matossian (07:34):

I just saw a text coming in from her. Oh, it says, I love you. Have a good show. Oh, phew.

Mattew Souza (07:40):


Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Thought maybe she was listening. I was gonna get in trouble for telling the tax and the fireplace mantel story. <laugh>. Hey, is that true? Sima boobs. And, uh, has a, does she have an only fans page?

Mattew Souza (07:54):

I don’t know. I don’t know. Like, she doesn’t strike me as someone in that would have the only fans page.

Sevan Matossian (07:58):

Is that the other sema? That the original sema there what used to be a SEMA in here?

Mattew Souza (08:04):


Sevan Matossian (08:04):

And then it’s turned to like SEMA Vagina or SEMA Pussy. And now it’s SEMA boobs.

Mattew Souza (08:11):

Maybe she’s just opened up a little.

Sevan Matossian (08:15):

I got a, um, I don’t get be Look at. Look at, look at this. Heidi. Oh, damn. Heidi, Heidi. Okay. Okay, let’s do this. My wife’s gonna hate this bit. Heidi. There’s holes. There’s little holes. Three little holes in my fireplace mantle. Now where that I look at all year. Where someone put tax in tax

Mattew Souza (08:39):


Sevan Matossian (08:39):

Hiding. There’s something so trashy about that. Look at that wall behind Susa. Imagine three little holes in there now. Little tiny black holes.

Mattew Souza (08:48):


Sevan Matossian (08:55):

Look at Travis B asking the heavy questions. Uh, Seima, what’s your Instagram? Oh, Heidi’s been hanging out with, uh, Seth Gruber. The holes are tiny, bro.

Mattew Souza (09:07):


Sevan Matossian (09:09):

Oh, I can, I can, I can see them. I can see them.

Mattew Souza (09:15):

Wait, is this real? Does really do have the only fans

Sevan Matossian (09:20):

Or, or those really, her boobs. I asked if those were really her boobs. And someone in the comment said that those are really her boobs. Like five, five dudes chimed in. Oh, yes, those are

Mattew Souza (09:28):


Sevan Matossian (09:29):

So someone obviously knows her. Instagram. I got a really, uh, really, uh, nice message that kind of carried me through the day yesterday. Basically, someone sent me a, a, a video saying, Hey, the, there’s the group of people in the Rinsta group. I don’t even know where that is. I, I’m guessing on Instagram, they’ve become like the best people I’ve ever known. They’re like my best friends. And, and thanks for having the podcast and having these people come together. It was really, really fucking cool. So I’m assuming inside of there, there’s a group of people who’ve like, uh, befriended each other.

Mattew Souza (10:07):

I also think it’s funny that it’s a separate chat. It feels like when, um, everybody’s here as a group, but then they get like, like chow time by themselves without us. Right. <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (10:15):

What do you, what do you mean?

Mattew Souza (10:17):

You know, like they do in the military, it’s like you’re always with the commanding people in the bootcamp, but then when you get to go sit down to have lunch, you’re just with like, just the homies, like the instructors aren’t there.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):

Oh, right. Chat

Mattew Souza (10:26):

On Instagram. Right. Because then they kind of come back and, and do their own thing.

Sevan Matossian (10:31):

Do you think Greg’s coming? He,

Mattew Souza (10:34):

There he is.

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

Oh, boom. Just like,

Mattew Souza (10:36):


Sevan Matossian (10:36):


Mattew Souza (10:37):

Just like

Sevan Matossian (10:37):

That. Oh, that’s a, that’s a pretty shot. Oh, it’s Hi.

Greg Glassman (10:42):


Sevan Matossian (10:44):

Wait, is that a karate kid? Uh, um, uh oh. No. You were wearing a hat backwards. I thought you were wearing like a, a, a sweat band at first. Like, you like, oh,

Greg Glassman (10:52):

I should do that. A durag

Sevan Matossian (10:54):

Like you were doing some Tai Chi <laugh>.

Greg Glassman (10:59):

I should appropriate some other culture. Every show you,

Sevan Matossian (11:02):

You should have had a bandana on and like a Bruce Lee shirt.

Greg Glassman (11:06):

No, my, I looked like, uh, I looked like a Jim from Taxi when I got outta the shower this morning. And I was like, I need a hat.

Sevan Matossian (11:15):

Oh, Jim, who, who, which Soa, who’s G Can you show me Jim from that shit? Dude, look at this backdrop.

Greg Glassman (11:23):

Am I too back lit?

Sevan Matossian (11:24):

No. Yeah, but who cares? It’s beautiful. It really, you really do live in a lodge. You told me you you bought a lodge. It really is a lodge. That place is amazing.

Greg Glassman (11:34):

Yeah. Thank you Sammy.

Sevan Matossian (11:36):

Look at those doors. Hey, so that’s just, that’s just lake behind. That just looks out, um, to Lake.

Greg Glassman (11:42):


Sevan Matossian (11:43):

Oh, there we go. Oh, yeah, yeah,

Greg Glassman (11:45):

Yeah. Just put a hat. That’s what I look like. That’s it.

Sevan Matossian (11:47):

Just put a hat on it.

Greg Glassman (11:48):

It helps a lot. Your credibility goes up. Uh, you, you know, 25, 30% when you do something about that hair, right? It’s, yeah. I mean, isn’t that what, what what is with us that we associate that with insanity? We’re not gonna answer that, but it’s there. You can’t deny it.

Sevan Matossian (12:08):

Hey, it’s the same thing. Um, uh, Murdoch had that hair and the A team, and then, um, Kramer kind of had that hair on Seinfeld.

Greg Glassman (12:16):

Yeah. It was Kramer and, uh, Jim from Taxi, I think are almost the same character.

Sevan Matossian (12:24):

Uh, you drove to Idaho.

Greg Glassman (12:26):

Drove to Idaho Bud Amazing Drive.

Sevan Matossian (12:30):

And, uh, it’s a 12 hour drive from, for you, right. From Scottsdale to Santa Cruz. But this is a 15 hour drive. And you didn’t do it in one shot.

Greg Glassman (12:40):

Yeah, we, uh, we had, uh, you know, two vehicles, the kids, pets, all that. So, uh, we had a, a medium day, uh, short day and a super short day.

Sevan Matossian (12:54):

And I was surprised how much you liked that. ’cause that’s kind of, for me, I think of you as the kind of guy. It’s like, it doesn’t matter what the destination is, you’re gonna get in your car and go there.

Greg Glassman (13:02):

It was painful to not just do it in 15

Sevan Matossian (13:05):

For, for you.

Greg Glassman (13:06):


Sevan Matossian (13:07):

Like a practice in patience. Like, okay, we’ve only driven seven hours. We’re getting a hotel now. You

Greg Glassman (13:12):

Know, the 10:00 AM start. I’m a I’m generally by 10:00 AM what, uh, 300 miles down the road.

Sevan Matossian (13:19):

Right? You’re a four. You’re a 4:00 AM and you’re like borderline leaving late for you.

Greg Glassman (13:25):

Yep. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:27):

No, that’s always crazy. And you’re

Greg Glassman (13:30):

There, there’s early risers. There’s early risers, and then there’s losers. That’s so opinionated.

Sevan Matossian (13:37):

No, that’s fair.

Greg Glassman (13:38):

Hey, I mean, what do you, what, what is it, what’s the general thoughts on people that wake up at 10:00 AM you know,

Sevan Matossian (13:42):

Yeah. Not good.

Greg Glassman (13:43):

Not that that has anything to do with this, but,

Sevan Matossian (13:45):

Uh, not good. Your output better be absolutely insane if it’s, um, uh, for those of you who are, uh, geographically illiterate, I’ll give you just a little help. Uh, this one with the red line around it is Idaho Greg is some, oh, you’re pretty, you’re pretty far up here, right? Like this flathead reservation area?

Greg Glassman (14:06):

No way. Up in the top.

Sevan Matossian (14:07):

Oh, oh, over here.

Greg Glassman (14:08):

Up in the skinny part? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (14:09):

Yeah. Just, uh, just to the right of Spokane.

Greg Glassman (14:13):


Sevan Matossian (14:14):

And then you came from all the way. Oh, shit. Doesn’t even fit in the mat all the way down here. How do you go? Which way do you go?

Greg Glassman (14:23):

We, uh, it is cool. We went, uh, about 400 miles to Klamath Falls, Oregon. So it’s, the first day is a big step all in California. And then the next day is make the traverse from Klamath Falls, Oregon to, uh, we went to, uh, uh, Boardman, Oregon. So we did a diagonal across Oregon, and then the following day popped up into Washington. Across in, uh, once you’re in Spokane, you’re fundamentally in Coeur Dal.

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Okay. So you jumped on this little Hi at Shasta. You jumped on a little highway.

Greg Glassman (14:59):

Yeah. It was, uh, in weeded 97. Oh yeah. We took the five to the 97.

Sevan Matossian (15:05):

God, do you remember being a kid in, in chuckling when you ever, you would drive through weeded

Greg Glassman (15:09):

Yeah. In like, three, four years ago.

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

Yeah. <laugh>, right? Uh, can can you make that drive in the winter, Greg?

Greg Glassman (15:21):


Sevan Matossian (15:21):

To your place. There’s not, well, those highways are all open. Everything’s open.

Greg Glassman (15:25):


Sevan Matossian (15:27):

You haven’t done a winter

Greg Glassman (15:27):

Qualified. Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:30):

You haven’t done a winner in, in Idaho?

Greg Glassman (15:33):


Sevan Matossian (15:34):

Any part of you tempted

Greg Glassman (15:37):

A very small part.

Sevan Matossian (15:39):

Yeah. Just to burn firewood.

Greg Glassman (15:41):

You know, the thing for me is, uh, it’s the, uh, reduced daylight. I getting dark at 3 34 o’clock. Is is, it weighs on you.

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

Yeah. Good point.

Greg Glassman (15:53):

And in that same sense, uh, I’m telling you, 5:00 AM here is like seven 30 in Santa Cruz. By 3:30 AM you can point on the horizon to where the sun’s coming.

Sevan Matossian (16:05):

Holy shit.

Greg Glassman (16:07):

By four, it’s obvious.

Sevan Matossian (16:09):


Greg Glassman (16:10):

Yeah. By four 30 you could fish, ski, whatever. It’s, it’s daylight. Sun’s not up, but it’s light.

Sevan Matossian (16:17):

So basically you have 4:00 AM to 10:00 PM every day.

Greg Glassman (16:20):

That’s kind of what it’s like.

Sevan Matossian (16:22):

Wow. That’s awesome. Uh, Jeffrey, three degree

Greg Glassman (16:24):


Sevan Matossian (16:25):

Jeffrey Birchfield, a great que question. What were you driving?

Greg Glassman (16:29):

T R X.

Sevan Matossian (16:31):

And look, it. Look, someone, someone with, uh, the same last name knows exactly what you drive.

Greg Glassman (16:37):

Yeah. Isn’t that something?

Sevan Matossian (16:39):

Uh, your, your favorite, your favorite vehicle?

Greg Glassman (16:43):

Uh, hands down. Hands

Sevan Matossian (16:45):

Down. No Audi, no Mercedes? No. Toyota. No.

Greg Glassman (16:49):

The Porsche, the turbos. I, I, every time I jump in the T r x, every time it, uh, and no one’s saying no. It’s, it’s like the Escalade on the highway and it’s, uh, indomitable if I should end up, uh, it’s something less than, uh, highway comfortable.

Sevan Matossian (17:10):

And, and no one has anything bad to say about this truck.

Greg Glassman (17:14):

The mileage is something else.

Sevan Matossian (17:16):

You mean like, it’s eight miles to the gallon? Yeah.

Greg Glassman (17:19):

So whatever it is, I think I’m getting 12, actually.

Sevan Matossian (17:22):

That’s not bad. And and how many horsepower?

Greg Glassman (17:25):

Uh, 7 0 2.

Sevan Matossian (17:26):

So if you don’t want anyone to pass you, no one passes. You,

Greg Glassman (17:29):

You know, it’s, uh, it’s there if you need it. And, uh, just like the off-road capability, and it’s extraordinarily comfortable. The, uh, ergonomics, the display. I mean, I don’t wanna sound like a ram commercial here, but I could, I could do one. I felt similarly about my Raptor until this damn thing came out.

Sevan Matossian (17:49):

You had two raptors?

Greg Glassman (17:53):

I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (17:54):

No. Oh, you had two. You have two TXs.

Greg Glassman (17:56):

I do. We do. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:00):

Yeah. Everyone loved the Raptor too.

Greg Glassman (18:02):

Yeah, it’s great. You get your wife a pickup truck and then No, and I got one too. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (18:07):

Isn’t that very nice. I’ve never even seen Maggie drive hers.

Greg Glassman (18:12):

She loves it. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:15):

Uh, and

Greg Glassman (18:16):

I feel good. I feel good about her in it. I like the, I like the, um, the mass. I mean the, the kinetics of, uh, car accidents, uh, depend heavily on, uh, on the mass of your vehicle.

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

That’s a great marketing line for a, a, a vehicle. You know how Volvo used to have all the commercials and it was just all about safety, safety, safety. Yeah.

Greg Glassman (18:39):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

That’s, that’s a great campaign for a, a, a car. I feel safe with my family in this car.

Greg Glassman (18:46):

My client and friend Philippe Khan, the Silicon Valley legend, um, he said that that was bullshit about Volvos being safe. He says they just marketed as the world’s safest car. And within five years it becomes true because of who buys ’em.

Sevan Matossian (19:08):

Meaning, meaning they drive ’em like pussies.

Greg Glassman (19:10):

Well, yeah. You say, you’d say, this is the world’s safest car and people that are gonna go under the speed limit and always sober and everyone’s got belts on and using the signals and all that stuff. They’re buying ’em.

Sevan Matossian (19:23):

Wow. I love that.

Greg Glassman (19:25):


Sevan Matossian (19:26):

I fucking love that.

Greg Glassman (19:28):

He says there’s not a thing in that car. And he had one, he goes, there’s nothing here, engineering wise. It makes it safer than any other car. I’m like, okay.

Sevan Matossian (19:36):

Uh, Philippe Kahn. Born March 16th, 1952. Do you know who else was born on March 16th? 1972. 20 years after Philippe Kahn.

Greg Glassman (19:44):

No, you

Sevan Matossian (19:49):

Kind of weird, right?

Greg Glassman (19:50):

It’s weird. You have a lot in common.

Sevan Matossian (19:52):

Uh, is it, he’s a, um, uh, engineer, entrepreneur, founder of four technology companies. That was when I was asking you about the journal, that was one part of the story a couple shows ago. That was one part of the story that didn’t come up, that I’ve heard you, uh, discuss, uh, at length. That he would invite you over to his house on the regular to train him. And he, and you would just sit downstairs and instead of bitching that he wouldn’t, wasn’t coming down for five hours. You started writing.

Greg Glassman (20:19):

Yeah, it worked like this. Um, I knew of him and his size and, and,

Sevan Matossian (20:25):

Uh, why? He’s big. He’s big. Yeah.

Greg Glassman (20:27):

Big man. And, uh, and he was a, a, a luminary in the Silicon Valley and Santa Cruz, a superstar. And I had clients that worked for him. I had, uh, multiple clients that sailed for him. And I, I wanted to train him ’cause uh, he needed to do something about his, his, uh, his uh, size. And I kept telling his sailors that, uh, if something happens to him, uh, the misses will get rid of the sailing program and you’ll be out. Mm. So you gotta get me working with him. And one day she called me. I was shocked. It worked, you know, and I thought the sailors weren’t saying anything, but they, they got her ear. And she called and I said, I’ll start with ’em tomorrow. And I told her where we were. And, uh, she laughed and says, oh no, you’re gonna have to come up here. And I said, ma’am, I’m sorry. I don’t do house calls. And she said, what, what

Sevan Matossian (21:21):

Year is this, Greg?

Greg Glassman (21:22):

Oh, geez.

Sevan Matossian (21:24):

Roughly within five years. 95. 85. 2005?

Greg Glassman (21:27):

No, no, no. Uh, yeah. 98, 99.

Sevan Matossian (21:33):

Okay. Okay. 97. So the mrs the Mrs says, Hey, you gotta come up here. And you’re like, you don’t do house calls?

Greg Glassman (21:41):

Yeah, I don’t do house calls. Thank you. And she says, I’ll double your rate and pay your travel time. So I’m making 75 an hour. I do the math. That’s 150 plus the travel there. I’m like, okay, I’ll see you tomorrow. Now, here’s the problem for me. I don’t have a car. And she’s 20 miles away.

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

So, so 26 years ago you didn’t have a car, but today you drive a 700 horsepower raptor, things have changed.

Greg Glassman (22:07):

Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, so I rented a car and put a rower and barbells, and it was like a, you know, like a, like a Kia, right? So I got the windows rolled down and a barbell hanging out. I mean, it was hilarious. And drug the shit up to their house. And after a week of that, she said, uh, uh, why don’t we just buy this stuff so you don’t have to lug it up here? And that’s great. Then I got a motorcycle. And, uh, I would get there. I had a standing 11 o’clock. ’cause I could start at five and finish my privates and classes with enough time to get up there 11 ish. And that guy would let me wait sometimes until 5, 6, 7, 8:00 PM

Sevan Matossian (22:53):

So you’re saying that there’s times you showed up there at 11:00 AM and at 8:00 PM you still hadn’t seen him?

Greg Glassman (22:59):

Uhhuh <affirmative>. And I could hear upstairs,

Sevan Matossian (23:00):

And there was no cell phone. No one would call you and be like, Hey, we’re running late.

Greg Glassman (23:04):

No, no. I’d see all kinds of people coming in outta the house, like the saxophone teacher. Uh, I’d hear him playing the sax. I’d hear him walking around upstairs. He might even run down and get some shoes and go do something. Uhhuh

Sevan Matossian (23:16):


Greg Glassman (23:17):

And I sat there. They offered to put me inside the house to wait where I could work. And what I did is I made a, I fashioned a, uh, table and chairs out of, uh, uh, cases of water bottles, Costco, cases of water bottles. And a lot of the journal was written there.

Sevan Matossian (23:38):

Um, so that would be a thousand dollars a day with, uh, maybe. No, you didn’t train them.

Greg Glassman (23:44):


Sevan Matossian (23:45):

They, they paid you $150 an hour. You sat there for nine hours, <laugh> and

Greg Glassman (23:49):

Went, it was great. So right

Sevan Matossian (23:52):

In 1997, Philippe Conn created the first camera phone solution. So, so he had more money than God,

Greg Glassman (24:02):

Dude. He’s, he’s, he was a, he’s ridden his motorcycle across Afghanistan.

Sevan Matossian (24:07):

Wow. He’s

Greg Glassman (24:08):

Fluent in a half a dozen languages. And I’ve asked people, like, you know, I’d asked, asked one of the gals, is it Spanish good? And they go, it’s great. It’s flawless. He’s French. Perfect. Um, he’s got a PhD in mathematics. He’s an, an extraordinary human being.

Sevan Matossian (24:27):

Are you still in touch with him?

Greg Glassman (24:29):

Yeah, yeah. More so than Mrs. You know, I mean, we’re close. We always will be. I’ve, um, I would say that I’m probably, uh, the rare friend out of the professional folks in his life. I mean, like, look, I go to the, I go to the house one day at 11 o’clock, and there’s a guy sitting on my water bottles with a suit on, right. Uhhuh

Sevan Matossian (24:50):


Greg Glassman (24:51):

And he looks really familiar to me, and I’m like, you know, so I’m, he’s not talking. I’m not talking. I just, he’s bummed. He’s sitting on my, at my desk and, uh, he’s waiting in the garage like everyone would. And later I come to find out that it was, so Philippe had shown me an article in People Magazine on a sleep expert at Harvard mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and asked me what I thought of the article. I got always like, bullshit to me. But anyways, that was the guy, it was the guy from the article. Oh, he’s sitting there, he’s sitting there in the garage on the water bottles waiting for Philippe.

Sevan Matossian (25:24):

Um, uh,

Greg Glassman (25:25):

It, there’s a novel in waiting for Philippe, the people I’ve seen waiting for Philippe. You could wait days.

Sevan Matossian (25:31):

Oh, like your book. Um, uh, pictures of, um, uh, mathematics boards. There could be a book. Uh, pictures of people waiting for Philippe.

Greg Glassman (25:39):

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

Sevan Matossian (25:41):

Did you ever get angry for him? Uh, uh. Did you get angry about that or resent him for that?

Greg Glassman (25:46):

No, no. I was, I realized I was being paid to do that.

Sevan Matossian (25:49):


Greg Glassman (25:51):

And frankly, the, the four hours in wait was quite a bit easier than the, you know, hour of training.

Sevan Matossian (25:59):

He pushed back. He was a bad client. Oh

Greg Glassman (26:01):

Yeah. He was a challenge. He was a challenge. That’s why we became friends.

Sevan Matossian (26:05):

And, um, if it wasn’t for that, do you think that the jour, do you think that that’s pivotal? That what happened there to the existence of the journal?

Greg Glassman (26:16):

No, I was kind of committed on that path. Um,

Sevan Matossian (26:20):

You would’ve gone somewhere and written it anyway. If you trained him, then you would’ve

Greg Glassman (26:23):

Yeah, I was, I was going to that coffee shop near your house.

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

Right? The ugly mug.

Greg Glassman (26:28):

Yeah, the ugly mug. And I sat regularly next to a gal who had this, uh, what do they call it? Uh, glypho mania, which she was, she was just writing and talking furiously writing, talking, but semi audibly, I could catch a word or two talking to herself and writing in a notebook. And, uh, one day after sitting next to her for weeks, she went outside to do something. I just kind of crammed my neck and looked all over and it was just gibberish. It was, it wasn’t even writing. It was just circles and swirls and stars. And

Sevan Matossian (27:03):

That was incredible. Graph mania. A pathological impulse to write, which may generate into grahe. Oh, like diarrhea, but graph. Yeah,

Greg Glassman (27:10):

Yeah, yeah. She had, yeah, it was grahe all over the page, A notebook full of it notebooks

Sevan Matossian (27:16):

The compulsive writing of incoherent, meaningless words.

Greg Glassman (27:21):

I actually found it comfortable to sit, you know, three feet away from her to have her between me and the door

Sevan Matossian (27:30):

<laugh>. And because the shooter came in, I don’t,

Greg Glassman (27:32):

Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know what it was, but it was like white noise. She was cool.

Sevan Matossian (27:36):

Um, there, going, going back to that Volvo thing. This is the, uh, you tell people it’s the safest car in the world. And then people, the, the, the safest people in the world get it. People who are concerned about safety, and therefore they’re the people who wear their seat belts. They’re the people who drive the proper speed limit. They take the fucking two day driver safety course, all that. You kind, you kind of like, you’re like, um, uh, cupid, you’re, you’re a matchmaker. Just by saying that, that being said, there’s all these like, uh, self-help books, like to materialize shit.


And, and the way you explained it right there to materialize it, there’s nothing magical about it. It’s, um, it’s, it’s bait. But there’s this, there’s this whole world of like, you know, people say, I manifested this. You know what I mean? Like, you’ll hear some really rich person say, I manifested this, or I already saw it, or I already thought of myself. Even when I hear, um, Tyson beget talk, there’s this like a, like a level of confidence. I already saws, I already see myself. He didn’t say exactly like this, but as being, uh, N f l quarterback, it’s like this cross between like visualization manifest clear, obvious to the I or mind. Did you, I, I never hear you talk about any of that stuff in the growth of CrossFit. Like, here you are telling us that you didn’t even have a car in 1997.


Did, did you ever put your, does, does any of that, that kind of stuff, uh, resonate with you? Like almost fake it till you make it? Or like, um, uh, you, you know, like you see the book, the guy, there’s, there’s a, the chicken soup guy says, I, I saw, I, I drove by this house every single day. I was poor and I wanted this house. Or I saw this house in a magazine and I cut it out and 20 years later I own the house and it’s like a $20 million house. You know, that was, that was never, I I’ve never heard you, even for you, it was just, you were just doing stuff, putting your head down, thinking, working on ideas.

Greg Glassman (29:39):

Yeah. I, uh, you, you’ve heard me say this before, I’m kind of a process guy more than an endpoint guy. And, uh, you know, the goal with a, with a hundred affiliates, if you’re gonna have a goal, and I didn’t, but at the point you have a hundred. It’s not that you envision 15,000.

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