Kara Saunders | 10x CrossFit Games – Is she making a return?

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

That I got that fixed. Look it. When I lean, bam, we’re live. When I lean back, I adjusted the focus slightly. I think I need to make it a little more shallow again. Also, now that I have it set up a little differently. Before in the shows when I was leaning back, I was getting out of focus. Now I’m like, oh, nice and crisp. Sabir, what’s up dude? I ended up on your Instagram today. Good to see you. I’d never been, I don’t know why because I got this new Instagram account so I have more ability to see new people. Oh, guys want to see something crazy? I want to see something just absolutely nuts. The behind the scenes trailer is done. You guys want to see a couple seconds of it. I mean, not done, done but enough to where I could show you a little bit and I don’t want you guys to, God, it’s so crazy. Hold on, lemme see if I can find it. Videos and oh nope, car is here. Maybe later.

Kara Saunders (01:12):


Sevan Matossian (01:13):

I was about to get naked.

Kara Saunders (01:15):

Let me stop you.

Sevan Matossian (01:16):

Now that you’re here. Look at I, you know what won’t stop me is I wasn’t feeling so good. I feel like I jumped out of an, I don’t feel sick, but my stomach feels like something could come up.

Kara Saunders (01:27):

Oh, why?

Sevan Matossian (01:28):

I don’t know. Just like I don’t feel sick. I don’t have a fever. Feel strong. I look great. Right?

Kara Saunders (01:34):

Yeah, you look amazing.

Sevan Matossian (01:35):

But just in case

Kara Saunders (01:39):

I’m not,

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

Because what’s crazy is I was at Juujitsu with my kidneys like, oh, I feel like I’m going to throw up the whole time. I’m like, ah, you pussy. And then on the way home I was like

Kara Saunders (01:48):


Sevan Matossian (01:48):

A little bit of that myself, got a little bit of that myself.

Kara Saunders (01:53):

Just eating something off or

Sevan Matossian (01:55):

Where are you?

Kara Saunders (01:57):

I’m at home right now, so I live on the Gold Coast in Queensland. So yeah,

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

That’s why it looks like you’re in Bali. That’s why it looks like you’re in paradise. You are in paradise. Is it Paradise?

Kara Saunders (02:09):

Yeah, pretty much where I live, this particular suburb on the Gold Coast is very, we’re in a wildlife protected area, so it’s very, yeah, that’s my suburb. Currumbin. So yeah, it’s rainforesty, lots of animals, just super chill. It’s not like what people think of the Gold Coast. So most people think of surface paradise up north there and it’s, that’s kind like the city. I’m down right close to the border, so I’m down on the southern end and it’s really kind of small towny, really chill vibes.

Sevan Matossian (02:43):

Ivana. The Gold Coast is sick. That means it’s good. That means it’s good. I don’t know you guys in America, that means that’s good.

Kara Saunders (02:51):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s is good. It is good. It’s busy right now because we’re in Christmas holidays, so I think our holidays are different than you guys. So our kids are on school holidays because obviously it’s summer for us right now, so our summer holidays are Christmas time. When you live in a really beautiful part of the world, there’s a bit of a tourist destination. It’s pretty crazy out there right now. The roads are wild and so we’re kind of just lay low.

Sevan Matossian (03:14):

Who comes? Is it the Russians and the Europeans? Who comes? Americans who comes

Kara Saunders (03:20):

Rich? I dunno man, I don’t know at the moment it’s actually just most people kind of feed in from just a little bit further north from the city areas and they just come to the beach maybe an hour away, hour and a half, something like that. People just move around a little bit, but there’s not as bad, obviously there’s people traveling internationally, but it’s not quite as bad as say Sydney would be down that way would be hectic, more international tourists. But here it’s kind of just a lot of people just moving around within the state or coming to see family within Australia. So yeah, obviously they can hang out. It’s like the one time a year they kind of just hang out at the beach. It’s like Hawaii for the US or Florida or something I guess. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (04:08):

How’s the service in Australia in Hawaii? It’s just atrocious. No one could give two fucks, could I get a drink? I mean it’s just horrible. Is Australia, is it good?

Kara Saunders (04:17):

It definitely depends on where you are. The customer service is not as good as say in main parts of the US because we don’t work off a tipping system. So in the US I found that when I first started coming over and we were in LA, it was like people rely on those tips. So they actually would most would put in more effort and I was like, oh my gosh, they try so much harder and then here they get paid. Our minimum wage is so much higher and then they don’t need tips. So they’re like, it just depends. It depends on where you go. If someone genuinely likes their job and whatever, it’s better. And then if you’re in more chill areas, people are a little bit nicer. It’s area dependent. Where I am, everyone’s pretty chill. It’s mostly of young people or little mom, dad businesses owning cafes. We’re riddled with cafes, awesome food and coffee everywhere. And so yes, it’s a vibe and most of the time people are pretty good.

Sevan Matossian (05:16):

So if you go to a restaurant there and the waiter waitress is just absolutely killing it, you don’t tip them.

Kara Saunders (05:26):

No one really would know. Interesting. It would take something exceptional, especially now because no one’s really paying cash or anything. And then maybe some

Sevan Matossian (05:42):

Places. Oh, because you don’t even have a spot on the receipt to do it.

Kara Saunders (05:45):

No, we don’t pay like that. So we literally, so some places you’ll either go up and you’ll pay when you order and we’re this tap system, so you’re like, this is what I order. Okay. Yeah, it’s $53. Boom, done leave.

Sevan Matossian (05:56):

Is there a jar on the counter?

Kara Saunders (05:58):

No, not that I can think of. Any places that I’ve been to lately, maybe some little small places they might put something, but yeah, no one’s really carrying cash, so they’re not going to really get much in there. But some literally the only thing I can think of that I’ve seen is our Uber Eats. That’s the only thing I’ve seen of you can tip. And they’re like, you can tip as you’re ordering. And I’m like, well, I’m not going to tip you when I don’t even know if you’re going to turn up on time with my food or not.

Sevan Matossian (06:27):

Then it’s like if you have to tip before then it’s like, do I want you to spit my food or not? Yeah, that’s right.

Kara Saunders (06:32):

I’m like, no. I’m like, no. Where I come from you’ve got to work for it. And then if you were good and you turn up on time and didn’t sit around and take 20 minutes longer than you’re supposed to or whatever, but yeah, we don’t really tip, we just kind of pay. But in saying that everything’s expensive so we pay for it, you know what I mean? And because minimum wage is higher or whatever, you’re having to cover those costs, people are passing those costs on. So it’s not cheap

Sevan Matossian (06:59):

To buy to live on the Gold Coast.

Kara Saunders (07:01):

It’s definitely not cheap to live on the Gold Coast. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (07:04):

Lucky camera straps, which is ironic. This is one of the greatest tippers to the show. This guy always gives money to the show from Australia.

Kara Saunders (07:12):

Oh yeah,

Sevan Matossian (07:13):

Yeah. Australia’s favorite CrossFit athlete. Hey Kara. Cara what? Cara? Cara.

Kara Saunders (07:23):


Sevan Matossian (07:23):


Kara Saunders (07:24):

I don’t care. Everyone’s always like, oh, do I pronounce it like this or that? And I’m like, well look, we say it like Cara, but I also say a lot of words differently than you do because you have a different accent than me. So if you say it like Cara, I’m not going to be offended.

Sevan Matossian (07:37):

Yeah, you never have. I do both. I do both.

Kara Saunders (07:40):

Yeah. I’m not worried.

Sevan Matossian (07:41):

Okay, thank you. Good.

Kara Saunders (07:42):

I appreciate it. If he called me like Jane and didn’t know my name

Sevan Matossian (07:46):

Called you, what if I called you Tia?

Kara Saunders (07:50):

We’re just all the same. Right? Then you go Aussie females, you’re just the same person. Aussie female, CrossFitters.

Sevan Matossian (07:55):

Hey, has anyone ever called you Tia?

Kara Saunders (07:58):

You know what I’ve

Sevan Matossian (08:00):

Had to have

Kara Saunders (08:01):

Happened. No, but I’ve been called Sarah as in Sigmund’s daughter and I don’t know whether it was because her name is SARA and then I’m KARA on just

Sevan Matossian (08:12):

Wires being crossed.

Kara Saunders (08:14):

Yeah, it was on Instagram or something and it was probably maybe someone who wasn’t super familiar with CrossFit, I don’t know. And I was like, okay, cool man, whatever. I wasn’t take care that

Sevan Matossian (08:21):

Much. What are you doing? You have two kids. You birthed the kid on the internet?

Kara Saunders (08:28):

I did. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

Dude, amazing. We showed it on the show. Amazing.

Kara Saunders (08:33):

Yeah, one of my friends was like, God, that was savage. I’m like, yeah, I know That’s you’re

Sevan Matossian (08:39):

You’re greatest role model in the history of CrossFit.

Kara Saunders (08:42):

Oh, thanks. You

Sevan Matossian (08:42):

Truly are. I’m not joking. That is one of the single greatest gifts you could give to a child is letting them just be born just straight at home, just straight out of the vagina and just ’em just be cool. What a great start to life.

Kara Saunders (08:58):

Honestly, it was the coolest thing I’ve ever done hands down. And I had a really good birth with my daughter, but this was to be at home. I’d done a lot of,

Sevan Matossian (09:09):

You mean the first one you had in the hospital?

Kara Saunders (09:11):

First one I had in hospital, but it was a bit different. So we were in a birthing suite where you still have midwives. It’s kind of like having a home birth but in a hospital. So it’s a separate portion of the hospital for all. I dunno if it’s just an Australian thing or whatever, but it’s very holistic and you’ve got the water bath in there and the midwives kind of just leave you and they’re a little bit hippie, which is, I was actually booked in for that down here as well. And I think this is where I planned on being there. I was like, look, I had a good experience and as I was kind of going for these appointments, I started to get, I guess the dialogue was not sitting right with me in the system a little bit. It was different. It was a different hospital than my first birth and the first one was amazing. They were just so good. And then this one was just a little bit more structured and clinical. And then it was funny. I was like, I had a really long labor the first time days it was so long and this time I’d done so much more birth prep. So much more.

Sevan Matossian (10:18):

Okay, hold on, hold on one second because I want to ask you about your birth prep, but some questions are piling up. What did you hear that signaled you? There were some things that doctors and people were saying that made it like, oh, I’m doing this one at home. Can you give me a couple of those?

Kara Saunders (10:33):

So it was just little things. For instance, when I was about 36 weeks I think I went in and they started for one, the midwife I had, she didn’t have children. That’s not the end of the world, but a little bit of a communication, you could sort of tell. There were certain experiences where I’m like, and she was new and this was her first time into midwifery and they were saying things like, oh, he’s measuring really big. And so what we’ll do it was very much what we’ll do is if he’s big, you’ll just come in, I’ll go talk to the surgeon, you’ll have an induction, blah, blah, blah. And it was talking me about all this stuff and I’m like, whoa, wait a minute.


And I’m not one of those people that’s like a type A, this is my birth pen, blah, blah, blah. But I’m like, look, I know what, to me, this is my opinion, take it or leave it. I’m like, birth is natural and real and primal. And if everything is sort of done a certain way and you live a certain way and you have a certain belief system and you are mentally, emotionally, physically prepared with the loved ones around you, it can be the most natural and just real raw thing possible. It doesn’t need to be over complicated unless it’s over

Sevan Matossian (11:48):

Complicated. It’s not a medical procedure, it’s not a medical procedure,

Kara Saunders (11:51):

It’s not a medical procedure unless it’s a medical procedure. So there are certain instances where we’re absolutely blessed with that situation. And I feel like the message of birth has just gotten so lost along the way and as has have most things right from I base my life kind of around nature. How is it sort planned out? How is it the world set out to be? And then I try and live in rhythm with that, right? As best I can in a modern world and without being too crazy and stressed about it. And yes, it was like, we’ll do this and that and we’re in juice and it just a constant like, oh, I’m going to show you is big. And I was like,

Sevan Matossian (12:28):

You have more of a plan than I do, and you didn’t want to hear the, I’ll tell you, when my wife was going to have her baby, we were with the O-G-B-Y-N and we wanted to have it in the hospital. And she said, Hey, this is a full partnership. We’ll talk everything out. And I said, great. I said, one of the things I want you to do is not have the pick in her preparing to put drugs in her because that way if she does need the drugs or she does want the drugs, that can give me an extra step to try to talk her out of it because that’s what she wants me to do. And right away the doctor goes, I was like, motherfucker, you just said this is a 50 50 partnership.

Kara Saunders (13:04):

And then

Sevan Matossian (13:05):

I was like, oh

Kara Saunders (13:07):

Yeah, there were a few things where I really realized, I was like, this woman’s kind of just ticking boxes a lot and I really, I’m like, I’m not complicated. I’m in great health. I spend a lot of time and a lot of money to keep my family healthy and educate myself as best I can. And I felt like I was under this blanket and I was like, it’s fine, it’s fine. And I was kind of like, it’s fine, it’s fine. And it was so funny because then when I didn’t have any intention necessarily, I was open to having a baby at home. You have to be open to everything. And I had employed the services of a local doula who runs a heap of courses and stuff here and she’s amazing what

Sevan Matossian (13:51):


Kara Saunders (13:53):

She teaches doulas, teaches people how to be a doula and does a lot of stuff in the birth space and has a really positive mindset and everything that I wanted to consume you are what you consume and who you’re around. So I employed her to be my woman, be our support, be Maddie’s support as well in all of it. It was the three of us. And she, she was amazing and we were prepared for anything. And I was like, look, I’m pretty chill. I feel like I’ve done the preparation. We are really close to the hospital if shit goes down, she’s been to 5 million births and knows, we obviously knew all of the things that would indicate if something was wrong or whatever. And I was like, I feel good. I feel good in my body and I feel good in this. And so we were prepared for that, but not prepared so much as that we had anything set up at home. We were just like, look, if a baby decides to come out, they come out and they come out. Sometimes they could be in the car or whatever. And I think mentally you just need to be open to and receptive to whatever this baby decides because it’s not me, it’s the baby and I’m in labor and it’s kind of cruising and I’m

Sevan Matossian (15:07):

At home, at home, at

Kara Saunders (15:08):

Home. I want where you’re

Sevan Matossian (15:09):

At right now, where you’re at right

Kara Saunders (15:10):

Now? Yeah, where I’m at right now. So I wanted to stay at home for as long as possible. I was like, I want to be in my space with my husband, with my baby girl where I’m comfortable. No, part

Sevan Matossian (15:21):

Of you is like, there’s no party already. Fuck you, bitch, I got this. I’m having this at home. I could see you got a little bit of fuck you in you.

Kara Saunders (15:30):

Yeah, I do. But it’s more like a belief in myself and I like to do what I want to do. That’s what I meant,

Sevan Matossian (15:37):

Not fuck you. That’s what I meant. Belief in yourself. Sorry. Yeah, bad interpretation.

Kara Saunders (15:43):

Just I do like to do things. What feels right for me and not necessarily, I don’t follow the crowd so much. And there was a point where I was cruising along and you’re in pre-labor and whatever, and then all of a sudden it started to escalate and I got to the point where I was like, fuck, the last thing I’d want to do right now is get in the car. It had kind of just my waters had broken and then from there it just, I’d probably pushed it a bit long, but I think subconsciously I didn’t want to leave and I knew I didn’t want to leave and so that’s why I let it go. And

Sevan Matossian (16:18):

Was Maddie bringing out the blankets and shit? I put down 30 layers of blankets and sheets and tarps and was he like, oh shit, we’re going to have a fucking

Kara Saunders (16:27):

Hazmat issue. So he had bullied. This is how unprepared we were for it. I was mentally prepared but not prepared as it was a plan. So I’m in the shower then my waters have broken crazy. So I’d been in labor for a while, then they broke and then shit just was on everything went to that next level and I was like, oh man, this is uncomfortable. Now I’m really having to get in the trenches mentally and go to my preparation place. He brought the bags out to the front door, everything was ready to go. He’d called my business partner and our really good friend to come and be in charge of my daughter just to help her out. And they had a photo shoot on that day, so she was going to take her and do stuff. And it was already

Sevan Matossian (17:12):

Your daughter. How old’s the daughter at that point?

Kara Saunders (17:14):

She’s four. Four.

Sevan Matossian (17:15):

During the birth she was four.

Kara Saunders (17:17):

Yep. So she came out, she was there for most of it until the last minute. Just before he was born. She went out to this photo shoot and helping my business partner. The show goes on. And so she just missed it, but she was here for all of it up until then. She said, I woke. She goes, mom, you woke me up going, oh. And I’m like, oh, sorry. I’m like, sorry to inconvenience you and your sleep, trying to birth someone right now. But yeah, so he had all the bags and stuff at the door and then the doula, Megan and him are like, oh, we kind of need to make a decision. And I’m like, oh, I’m kind of putting it off working.

Sevan Matossian (17:54):

Why did they say that? Why did they say make a decision? Why didn’t someone say car, you need to get in the car, sweetheart.

Kara Saunders (18:00):

Because it was

Sevan Matossian (18:01):

Because no one talk to you like that because no one talks to you like that.

Kara Saunders (18:03):

No. And they knew Maddie goes whether he felt comfortable with it or not. He was like, it’s your body, it’s your decision what you need to do and what you feel comfortable with. I’ve got your back and I’ll trust you. And then Megan’s saying, that’s her thing. And she goes, unless anything, she monitors to make sure everything is safe and that I’m okay and supported. She’s giving me acupressure and just doing all those things, just being a real support and they Can

Sevan Matossian (18:28):

You touch the baby at that point? Can you put your hand down there and touch his head?

Kara Saunders (18:32):

I couldn’t yet. No, I couldn’t yet. I think he just kind of went from up to down pretty quick. I think it just was like

Sevan Matossian (18:42):

It is a he. You got a A girl,

Kara Saunders (18:44):

You got a he girl and a boy. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (18:45):

What’s his name? Yes,

Kara Saunders (18:47):


Sevan Matossian (18:47):

Walker. Great name. Yeah,

Kara Saunders (18:49):

We call him text though. He’s never been called Walker because we kept calling him text for Walker, Texas Ranger for so long as a joke. And now it’s stuck. But anyway, so yeah, then all of a sudden she’s monitoring, she’s listening to my sounds pretty much, and I was like, I’m getting really primal. That was kind of my vibe. I was like, I feel like I need to really get deep and let it out and really immerse myself in birth. And so I’m doing that. She’s hearing my sounds and the change of pace and she’s like, if that’s a decision you want to make, then we kind of need to make it. I had towels and stuff in the car just in case I had left it too long or whatever, or back up. And then I’ve just looked at Maddie and I’m like, I can’t get in the car. I don’t want to get in the car. I don’t want to go anywhere. This has gotten too far. Now I could feel that it was really close and we’re like, this isn’t going to happen. If I had have got in the car, I would’ve birthed him in the car.

Sevan Matossian (19:40):

And how’s Maddy react? Even if he’s scared shitless? Is he cool? He is like, yeah, no problem. We got this shit.

Kara Saunders (19:46):

So when you think about it, he’s come from an army background and he’s a firefighter now, so he, he’s on task. So if something needs to be done, he’s action immediately. So as soon as I’m like, I want to stay home, he’s in getting the mats, he’s got towels. He had it all ready. Anyway, he set it all up. He is like, he good checking. And it was done.

Sevan Matossian (20:06):

He’s cool. He’s cool. It’s at home there. You want to have him in the car? I don’t give a shit. We got this.

Kara Saunders (20:10):

Yeah, he’s like cool, but not cool. He’s like, there’s low key panic on the inside, but he is fully got this. And as you are,

Sevan Matossian (20:18):

I are those bugs out here in the background, by the way? That was just bugs flying through. They’re cool.

Kara Saunders (20:22):

They’re cool. Is it all right?

Sevan Matossian (20:24):

Yeah, it’s totally cool. They just came and went. I saw a big ass bird flying around back there for a second too. Oh

Kara Saunders (20:29):

Yeah, there’s like crickets because it’s summer. They’re real noisy and the birds have quiet down a bit. But yeah, so

Sevan Matossian (20:34):

He still looks like a hunk. He’s aging well. You did good.

Kara Saunders (20:39):

Yeah, he’s doing well. Oh yeah, I’m punching. I’m punching. So he’s ready. Please put the mats down. And honestly it was so quick from there, from that moment,

Sevan Matossian (20:52):

Do you ever think, I mean this from the bottom of my heart, I know he finds you very attractive and I know he thinks you’re smart and beautiful and you’re ambitious, but do you ever think that maybe he’s just like, I want a kid from that. I want a kid with those genetics.

Kara Saunders (21:10):

Oh, look that he thinks that about me.

Sevan Matossian (21:13):

Yeah, he just saw you and he’s like, fuck, if I could get a couple babies from her, we’ll fuck shit up.

Kara Saunders (21:19):

Well, look, I think a huge part of the attraction to a person is obviously what they also bring to the table. That’s a part of it. What he’s attracted to me is a fit female, a strong woman and all that kind of stuff. So of course he naturally thinks, yeah, that’s pretty cool. And I mean he brought his own to the table too. He’s super fit and comes from good stuff. So I appreciated that too.

Sevan Matossian (21:45):

My friend Travis be, he says it half joking, but I also know he is half serious. His son is six three and he’s a quarterback in the NFL, and he really wants his son to find a six foot tall division, one black girl volleyball player. And he says if they have sex, he would be the perfect human being and if he could get three boys, he could have three more NFL quarterbacks. He’s like, I could make them. And part of me is like,

Kara Saunders (22:12):

Fair. Yeah, fair. Sure,

Sevan Matossian (22:14):


Kara Saunders (22:15):

I get it. You’re like, I love you and I want you to just be happy. But that’d be pretty

Sevan Matossian (22:19):

Cool. Oh my goodness. Let me read some comments here. I apologize. It’s a very cantankerous crowd. It’s all over the place. The famous anchorman, Ron Burgundy once said, you have a fantastic heine. He was clearly talking about Kara Saunders, Janelle Winston, who has four kids of her own. That was an amazing video. I cried my eyes out.

Kara Saunders (22:38):

I love that, Michelle. I got a lot of those messages, a lot of those.

Sevan Matossian (22:42):

Oh, it was so moving when I saw the video. It’s incredible. It’s so great that you did that. So we’ll get to, can I tell you,

Kara Saunders (22:50):


Sevan Matossian (22:51):

Just one, lemme read this one and then you can tell me you go, this video is so beautiful. Brought tears to my eyes and Kara, Matt, some beautiful, have make some beautiful children, that’s for sure. Okay, tell me about the feedback you

Kara Saunders (23:00):

Get. I was going to say that I think one thing I didn’t expect, because Maddie filmed, so he had the camera just sitting on a tripod. And then every now and again if Megan would kind, they would tag teaming and help him moving around, giving, offering me different support and he would just put the tripod in a different corner or whatever. So that obviously he was still present with me and I was really nervous. He was so excited to make the video. He just thought it was the most amazing, coolest thing ever. And I loved it. We wanted to make it for ourselves and I was really nervous to share it. I was like, the internet is mean. And I was like, this is a really big personal vulnerable thing for me to share. And then I was like, but I love it. I think it is the most amazing, magical, coolest thing ever.


And we did it so there is no stager this, it was just raw. We just kind of took it on the, obviously it’s shorter than what it was because a video, but it was just so real. And it was funny that my favorite outcome of it, and I didn’t really get any hate, not that I’ve seen anyway, I got to a point where I kind of stayed away from it anyway, but I got a lot of messages and it was from women who were like, it reminded them of their birth and they remember how there are women going, man, it makes me realize how fucking cool I am that I did that. And I think because when you see someone in their real estate on the outside, they’re like, it brought them back. It wasn’t a selfish thing. It was a very shared thing. So it wasn’t all about me.


It brought out something like a beautiful memory and a power and a strength in all of these other women. And that was a gift I just didn’t even expect to get. And so that was huge. Like Maddie and I had a lot of moments, I was rub teary about it. I was like, oh, this is so amazing. It just felt like this global, I don’t know, power of women just going, we are fucking badass. We do this because I’m no bullshit. I’m not fake or stuff, don’t we make cool videos and whatever, but I don’t put on a show. I am how I am. And so to put something out like that, that’s really real and have people appreciate just normal shit was so cool. You watch your Google birth logs and stuff and they’re so like, look, everyone can do it their own way. But to me, they feel very staged and set up about what kind of message they want to send. And I’m like, man, here’s me. There’s groaning and moaning. There’s my daughter, there’s my husband, we’re in my house. I

Sevan Matossian (25:30):

Love it that it wasn’t planned too. I didn’t pick that up for some reason. I guess I wasn’t paying enough attention that it wasn’t planned to have it, to have it at home because that really drives home the fact that it’s not a medical procedure. Like, yo, this is what there’s half of the human race does. This grows babies inside of them and spits them out. All of us came from that. It’s so amazing. It’s so great. You shared it. Thank you. As amazing as it is. It’s so doable. This one’s really going to piss people off. So the right thing to do.

Kara Saunders (26:09):

Look, and I agree. I agree. And look, I always think whatever, and this is one thing my doula said to me is whatever feels right and really comfortable for the mother, that is the right thing and they need to feel good and whatever. But I think there’s so much noise, there’s so much noise from people. It should be like that. It should be. And that it should just be, I don’t know. I hate the whole thing. That should be easy. That was the hardest thing I’ve ever done in my life. But the most empowering, strong, hard, but a hundred percent possible and real and how it’s supposed to be in my eyes. And I was like, there was no stage where I was like, this is not how it’s meant to be. I’m like, I’m in this. I’m birthing a child. Of course it’s going to play out like this.


But I think it’s really unfortunate. I think around my personal beliefs, again, around birth and around breastfeeding and all that kind of stuff, I think it’s all set up. Nature’s set it up to be divine perfect and exactly as it needs to be. And there’s so much noise and influence and change and stuff coming in from the outside and women just not being at their best self and not feeling that intuition and that confidence in themselves and not having the support and not having education, all of those things that have really taken away from it. And that’s really, really sad. And I’m just really grateful that, yeah, I’ve lived a life where I was very in the know about things like this. I’ve always had my radar on about this kind of natural, comfortable, happy way of living. And I’ve always looked for people who encourage and support that and who were educated in that space for guidance and tried to consume as much of that as possible. So to have that birth, we were like after it was, we were in shock. We were just like me and Maddy, is that just fucking happen, man, Maddie’s there. He’s like this dude. He’s been in a lot of high pressure situations. People in car accidents and fires and at war and all this kind of stuff.

Sevan Matossian (28:09):

Mostly on the other end of life. People like towards with their life being snuffed out, not new ones coming in. Right,

Kara Saunders (28:16):

Exactly. Or the risk of it going. And then all of a sudden he’s got his wife there cleaning up my mess as I’m pushing out his son and he’s like getting there ready, trying to catch you. He’s like, comes out, we’re in there. And you’re there going like, we’ve done this is, are you okay? Is he okay? Are we okay? Whoa. It’s just so much adrenaline. But the most amazing thing was then we were in our home. I take my baby birth, my placenta, we sort that out. I take my baby, he’d put a whole heap of towels and extra sheets and stuff down in our bed and I go and lay in the bed with my baby and I go to sleep in my bed with my baby on my chest. And I wake up and my daughter comes back and I’m just like, I’m at home. I’m at home. Here we are.

Sevan Matossian (29:07):

When my wife, she had three of the babies just on the living room floor like that. You’re saying chaos, right? Like you’re saying just straight fucking yelling and moaning, not yelling. Yeah, Savage. And her going to a place that she’s gone. We’re just in the room alone and there’s a body there having a baby, but she’s not there. And the baby comes out. And that’s the first thing I thought. I was like, holy shit, are you telling me for the next five days? I’m like, you’re telling me that people take this thing and put it in an automobile? That sounded batshit crazy to me to put a newborn baby in an automobile. It just didn’t seem, and so for her, just to be in her, and then that point I realized the people who are the brave ones are not the people who have the baby at home. It’s the people who have the baby in the hospital and then they have to put that baby in a car seat. I would never fuck.

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