Sevan Matossian (00:01):
Bam. We are live. What a treat tonight. Holy cow. What a treat. Bernie. What’s up buddy? Stevon probably doing some low intensity chatting to clear the lactate for today’s podcast event number three. I wish I need to. I’ve been avoiding, actually, yesterday I did a workout in the garage 20 degrees. My ears were hurting. My wife did 11 burpees on the minute for 10 minutes. And to be honest with you, I’ve been thinking about the elevation here and thinking, oh man, that’s going to hurt. But I should probably do that tonight after this show. We are broadcasting from Coeur d’Alene. Thank you guys for joining us. Dan. What’s up, dude? Working overtime today. The thing is this, this guy that’s about to come on, I consider him the foremost expert on reporting from the border, Jorge Ventura. So anytime I can get him on, I’m stoked. And so maybe once a month I’ll be like, Jorge, can you come on? And he’ll be doing something where he can’t and so I’m always ready to do a last minute Jorge Ventura podcast. And so I’ve been bugging him a little bit because of what’s heating up there. So today I’m like, Hey dude, can you do it? And he’s always cool. He always responds yes or no, and today he’s like, yeah, let’s roll and look. There he is.
Jorge Ventura (01:30):
How we doing, bro?
Sevan Matossian (01:32):
What’s up? Holy cow. So stoked to see you.
Jorge Ventura (01:36):
I know, dude. It’s been a while, right? We haven’t done one in six months. Maybe
Sevan Matossian (01:44):
It’s been a minute. Can you hear me okay? I just switched microphones.
Jorge Ventura (01:47):
Yeah, yeah, I can hear you.
Sevan Matossian (01:52):
Holy cow. Where are you right now?
Jorge Ventura (01:55):
I am in a hotel in Eagle Pass, Texas. So we are on the border. Just for some context for the viewers guys, Eagle Pass has kind of been the epicenter of this border crisis. Last month, this area got around 2000 people a day. If you guys seen those images where there’s like thousands of migrants waiting to be apprehended, it was here in Eagle Pass that averaging 2000 people a day. There was actually one day where over 4,000 cross illegally in one time, you got Texas State troopers here, border patrol. You also got Florida State troopers. I don’t know if people know this, but Florida State Troopers are still here on the border. They’ve been deployed for DeSantis for over a year. And if you guys have been seeing the news lately, Eagle passes also the area where there’s an area called Shelby Park that basically Texas came in and took full control. They kicked out border patrol agents and said, no, we are going to basically have our own command center. We’re going to put up a bunch of more that concertina wire and block migrants from entering. The Supreme Court actually ruled today that border patrol agents have the right to cut through that concertina wire that Texas has installed. So a lot of drama, but here in Eagle Pass has kind of been what I say, the epicenter so far this last couple months.
Sevan Matossian (03:06):
Hey, where is this thing that we’re hearing about? I don’t know if they’re being hyperbolic about it, but they’re saying it could be the start of a civil war. Is that at Eagle Pass?
Jorge Ventura (03:16):
Yeah, basically you have the state of Texas going against the White House. Yeah. Talk to
Sevan Matossian (03:22):
Us like we’re idiots. Talk to us like we’re little kids. No detail is too small by the way. Pretend like we don’t know shit, please. Okay, go.
Jorge Ventura (03:30):
Yeah. So really quick guys. So there’s an area called Shelby Park on the border, and it’s an area where it’s been a hotspot for migrant crossings. Now, so many migrants come at once that border patrol, they’ve used this park to what they call a staging area, meaning that let’s say they get like a hundred of migrants to come. They basically have these migrants wait there, there’s border patrol just there, but they haven’t wait there as they wait for buses to come transport the migrants and take ’em to a processing center. So they call that a staging area. So what Texas is doing is Texas came in about a little bit more than a week ago and kicked all the border patrol agents out and said, no, no, no, no, we don’t want this to be a staging area. We want to block migrants from even coming into the us. So they essentially kicked out border Patrol in a way that we’ve never seen before.
Sevan Matossian (04:14):
How does that work? Explain that to me. So how many, are there like 50 border patrol agents there or were there a hundred or you’re basically saying border patrol agents work for the federal government and you’re saying the Texas police versus the federal police, the Texas police came in and said, Hey, we don’t want you here anymore. What are the size of these groups?
Jorge Ventura (04:40):
It varies, but there’s basically, there’s hundreds of BPA patrols here in Eagle Pass. Now this area is Shelby Park. It’s about two and a half miles long. So essentially this is the detail that I want to add before we even get into it is essentially if you’re a migrant and you set foot on US soil border patrol agent has to basically by federal law, basically take you in, apprehend you or do whatever. It has to be up to border patrol. Texas is playing the role of, they don’t even want that to happen. They actually want to block migrants. So that’s why they’re putting Concertina Wire. I don’t know if you guys seen, but there’s been viral videos of where you see actual Texas National Guardsmen with right shields blocking migrants from entering, going through Concertina wire. So what basically, I was speaking to the governor of Montana, what he says is you basically have dual missions between what the federal government is doing and then what the state right now, if you’re a migrant and you cross illegally, that’s why if you guys ever see my videos, and I mentioned this to you several times, bro is under Biden, migrants are not scared of border patrol, meaning that once they cross in the us, they actually look for border patrol because they want to be processed because they know that there’s kind of a catch and release program that they’ll be released.
(05:57):
The United States, Texas wants to stop any of that. So they don’t want migrant to basically
Sevan Matossian (06:03):
There’s actual meeting areas, there’s actual meeting areas and where they know the border patrol waits for them because they know that, like you said, thousands are going to cross.
Jorge Ventura (06:13):
Exactly. So
Sevan Matossian (06:15):
They can’t push them back. They can’t just push them back.
Jorge Ventura (06:19):
The thing is border patrol right now is they’re not playing any role of deterrent. So that when I speak to agents who morale is really low, obviously with this number of crossings, what agents tell me is that essentially they’ve been, they’re now turned into basically Uber drivers for migrants, meaning that they don’t block migrants from entering. Once migrants enter illegally, they look for border patrol agents. And a lot of these agents now, their shifts are literally driving basically a school bus going down to the border, picking up a hundred migrants, take ’em to a processing center and then repeat that process for eight hours in a day. So that’s why also morale is low because you’re not seeing agents do the blocking and deterring. That’s where Texas is trying to play a different role. They saying, Hey, we want to play the deterrence role. We want to play the blocking. That’s why Texas has put shipping containers that Constantina wire. We’re seeing now the Texas military now be kind of wearing these riot shields and then block migrants from entering. So we’re seeing this historic battle between the state of Texas and now the federal government in a way that we’ve really never seen before.
Sevan Matossian (07:21):
Who’s in the right to the letter of the law. I’m not saying what we want. Obviously a lot of us want a country where there’s a border and people get to come in not illegally, but legally. So we can track them and they can follow the laws and the rules, but who’s in the right here? Does the state of Texas have the right to lay all of this barbed wire there and tell the federal agents, Hey, don’t move it. Who has the right there? Who has the rule of law there?
Jorge Ventura (07:54):
So Texas has the right to basically do what they just did where they just kick out. Federal agents kind of take control of this Atlanta. This is where it’s going to get tricky just because we’ve never seen this before, is that Concertina wire is technically owned by the city of Eagle Pass that’s been installed by the state of Texas that’s been allowed by the city. Now you have the Supreme Court saying, well, border patrol agents have the right if they’re on the border to cut through that concertina wire. And where we’ve seen this in the past is where you have a migrant essentially on the river on the other side of that concertina wire border patrol essentially will cut through that wire and then take that migrant in. That happens a few times now where you either have migrant, are
Sevan Matossian (08:33):
They obligated? Lemme stop you one more time, Jorge. Are they obligated to do that by federal law? Are they obligated to cut the wire?
Jorge Ventura (08:41):
See, that’s where as a border reporter, I’m learning about this, but this is where they are obligated. So technically when that migrant reaches that constantino wire, if we’re being technical, they’re already on US soil because one half of the Rio Grande belongs to Mexico, the other half American. So basically if you’re a migrant and right when you get to the middle of the Rio Grande, technically you are on American soil. And then that issue is basically taken by the federal government. So if you’re a border patrol agent, you have to apprehend these migrants. That’s where Texas has come in and put that layers of Constantina wire and basically Texas is saying, we don’t care if you’re technically on American soil, but you’re not going to enter into Shelby Park or that area. Now if you’re a migrant, all you really have to do, if we’re just being honest, is just walk another mire two down that river and eventually you’ll find a Border patrol agent and eventually you’ll have to be taken in. So when I spoke with Texas DPS, because I’ve done interviews with, they’re basically the top officials with Texas DPS. If they say,
Sevan Matossian (09:42):
Wait, wait, so bear with me, Texas, what? What’s the acronym you’re using?
Jorge Ventura (09:45):
DPS, which is Department of Public Safety. They’re the ones who assign the state troopers on the border, anything they’ve been deployed to the border by the governor. So this all has been, and that operation is called Operation Lone Star, where Governor Greg Abbott has deployed Texas State Troopers on the border. And what’s interesting here, bro, I forgot to actually mention, is if you’re a single adult migrant, right? So let’s say you’re a or female single adult, if you cross illegally right now into Shelby Park, Texas, DPS is waiting for you, the state troopers, and they are arresting migrants and then charging them for criminal trespassing. Now, if you’re a family and you manage to enter illegally, Texas DPS will still take you to border patrol. So they’ll let us border patrol handle that because obviously there’s kids involved. That’s going to be a whole nother scenario. But if you’re a single male or an adult and you cross illegally in a Shelby Pass, Texas DPS is actively arresting migrants right now, even charging them with criminal trespassing.
Sevan Matossian (10:39):
Talking about DPS is comparable to California Highway Patrol. Okay, yeah,
Jorge Ventura (10:44):
That’s actually a good comparison.
Sevan Matossian (10:46):
So let’s dig in there a second. Where do they take these gentlemen, when they charge them, do they actually arrest them cuff from zip time and take ’em to a holding facility?
Jorge Ventura (10:55):
So they’ll take ’em actually to the local jail and it’ll be up to the judge to whether to charge that migrant with a misdemeanor. What Texas DPS was telling me is they find this important because now that has a criminal record in the us if they try to reenter again illegally, what’s going to be interesting now is today the news came down. This is actually a great day to do the episode is today the Supreme Court ruled on the side of Biden. So tomorrow’s going to be fascinating because I’m going to be at Shelby Park, so I’ll be inside where Texas EPS has kicked the feds out and we’ll see if border patrol just comes in. We’ll see if there’s a battle at the gate. I mean, we really don’t know. We’re in some really unfamiliar territory. So this is all really going to get really interesting. There’s going to be a bunch of legal battles, but as of right now, the state of Texas is kind of holding the ground and they’re not allowing border patrol agents in today. Also, the Attorney general for the state of Texas, who is Ken Paxton? I don’t know seven if we could pull up his tweets or whatever here, because I know we’ve done that in the past, but he’s saying, Hey, we’re going to fight this. So right
Sevan Matossian (12:00):
Now, Jorge, tell me your Instagram account.
Jorge Ventura (12:03):
It’ll be Jorge Ventura tv. I believe it should be, yeah. Lemme double check.
Sevan Matossian (12:09):
I don’t have anyone working the back end. That’s why we haven’t been pulling anything up and I apologize. No worries, no worries. Is that correct? I wanted to add your Instagram account down here. So anyone who wants to, you can watch this. I’m not joking. This is the premier border journalist in our lifetime. We’re so lucky to have Jorge here. If you want to watch this stuff unfold on real time, make sure you follow on Instagram and he brings all this stuff. I want to go back to this thing. Did you say that some people are being deported by DPS once? If they get arrested, the judge can deport them, and how does that work?
Jorge Ventura (12:43):
So basically the judge would decide whether to charge that migrant criminally with criminal trespassing. It’s a misdemeanor, it won’t be a felony charge, and then they could spend some time in jail. But after that, DPS will technically refer that migrant back to US custody border patrol. So it’ll be up to border patrol and what they do after that, if that migrant is deported and then tries to enter legally, again, what Texas DPS is telling me is they find this system important because technically then that migrant will have already a criminal history. It’ll be on record instead of just going to being expelled with no type of record. At the end of the day, that migrant still has to be referred to border patrol because border patrol is the one who at the end of the day is going to make that decision to deport. They’ll do their own kind of processing and they’ll go from there.
(13:28):
But as we know, and as you guys have been following my work, and we’ve spoken on this podcast multiple times, majority of migrants or not a good chunk are still being released inside the US with what’s called an NTA. That’s a notice to appear in court. I’ve interviewed numerous of these migrants that have been released inside the United States that actually don’t have court till about 2027. Now we’re finding out court dates far as 2030. So what does that mean really quick, right? So if you don’t have court date till 2030, what does this mean? That means that migrant now is technically, legally allowed to be in the US. Now, they might not be legally allowed to work, but they are legally allowed in the us. The other flip side of the story is now you have Democratic governors like New York in Illinois and Colorado saying, we’re taking in so many migrants, it’s running up the bill for taxpayers.
(14:21):
They’re pressuring Biden to basically allow these migrants to get expedited work, permits to be allowed to work. But what’s interesting is you’re actually, like I said, the other side of the story is you have Democratic governors saying, we are taking too many migrants. It’s running up the taxpayer funds. And this is just a quick stat in New York right now, New York City on average is spending $8 million a day on taxpayer funds just to house migrants. So that’s $8 a day. According to the mayor’s office, they believe that in about three, four years fiscally they could be spending up to $12 billion just housing migrants. So what you have right now is you have Democratic governors even trying to urge the federal government to do something about the humanitarian crisis. Massachusetts has recently came out and was asking your residents, Hey, if you have an extra room or two in your house and saw that and you could think it migrants, please help us. So it’s
Sevan Matossian (15:17):
Is anyone doing that? Have you heard of anyone doing that? No.
Jorge Ventura (15:20):
No, no, no, no. Not right now. I think the most liberal person as of right now hasn’t even done that. But what’s interesting is last time that I spoke to you, yes, we’ve had Democrats complain about this issue, but now it’s really turning a tide and it’s really becoming a political vulnerability for Biden. So we’ll see how this kind of story unfolds. But last month was key in this immigration story because last month broke the record for the most migrant encounters. We’re talking about over 300,000 migrants were encountered in just a month. That’s essentially more than the population of the city of Cincinnati entering the United States.
Sevan Matossian (16:02):
Is that December of 2023? You’re saying there were 300,000 encounters?
Jorge Ventura (16:07):
Exactly. And that’s still not counting what we call the God away. So those are the individuals that entered the US illegally that were detected by border patrol technology, but they did not have the manpower to apprehend those migrants. Another thing, I know I’m rambling here, but they are just
Sevan Matossian (16:23):
No, no, no, go, go, go. I’m writing down questions for you for
Jorge Ventura (16:26):
All this. I just released a story today on my Instagram, so if you guys are interested in this story, check it out. But there’s a Venezuelan prison gang who has known gang members crossing illegally into the United States right now. There’s a 23-year-old Venezuelan migrant, a part of this Venezuelan person gang, I believe it’s called ua, I believe is how you pronounce this gang. They have a stronghold, I should say in Miami. Obviously Miami has a huge Venezuelan population already. So they’ve kind of embedded in the migrant population and one of their members, he’s a 23-year-old, just got charged for murder in South Florida. So we now know that this gang is actively in the us according to some sources that I spoke with who actually gave me the information, this gang is in Miami, New York and Chicago, but they have the stronghold in Miami, but we do know they have a presence in Chicago. Actually, Chicago police department in November got a warning to its officer saying, Hey, watch out for known gang members who might be living in the Venezuelan migrant population in Chicago. So now you have the national security aspect of this story developing, and now we have confirmation that there’s this Venezuelan prison gang now operating inside the United States.
Sevan Matossian (17:45):
Has anyone ever been deported during the Biden administration? If you come across border, does anyone ever get deported?
Jorge Ventura (17:52):
No. People are getting deported. The thing is, it’s not at the rate that a lot of folks are going to want it as, but I mean, what’s
Sevan Matossian (18:02):
The determination of deport deportation? Why do some people get to come over and a bunch of questions? Why do some people get to stay and some get deported? How are they deported? Are they flown down to Argentina and be like, okay, start the trek again. And I guess those are the two things. How do they deport them and how do they choose who to deport? Because the news is making it look like no one’s getting deported.
Jorge Ventura (18:27):
So individuals are getting reported, but it’s at a really low rate. And do
Sevan Matossian (18:31):
We know what the rate is? Do we know is it 5%? Why don’t they deport everyone? Why don’t they deport everyone?
Jorge Ventura (18:37):
We don’t have the exact rate. Now, how it’s normally supposed to be under immigration law is if you come in illegally, and let’s say you go through the asylum claim. So basically a judge has to weigh in if you have a credible fear for an asylum claim, if you don’t, you’re technically supposed to be deported after that because you don’t have a legal right to stay in the us. If you do, then you’ll go through the immigration process. You could be in the US. Now under Trump, things were a little bit different because while you’re going through the asylum claim, Trump had your remain in Mexico. That’s very different obviously under Biden. Now, the other aspect is the US has to have agreements with some of these countries. So let’s say you come in from Turkey and they want to deport you back to Turkey.
(19:23):
It’s a bit difficult if the Turkish government doesn’t have an agreement with the US to take in those individuals. So right now, we do have agreements with the Haitian government, Guatemalan, El Salvadorian, and a few others to just deport migrants illegally. Now, some are going to be tougher than others. Now, if you are an individual like a single male or single female crossing illegally, the chances of you getting deported are pretty high because you’re not coming in with a family. If you don’t know any individuals in the US that have a sponsor, you have a pretty high chance. The thing is under the Biden administration is many of these are going to what they call NTA. So it’s going to an immigration court, but the courts are so backed up with the backlog. I think right now there’s 3 million cases in the backlog, which is just, I mean, physically it’s impossible.
Sevan Matossian (20:11):
I can’t even believe that there’s 3 million illegal aliens. Why do we call them migrants and not illegal aliens?
Jorge Ventura (20:18):
I mean, there’s different terms. I go with migrant. That’s just the neutral term when it comes to reporting. And a lot of these migrants, when they do get released there after that, they’re technically illegally allowed to be in the us. So I go with, if someone
Sevan Matossian (20:33):
Broke into your house, you would call them. You could call them a trespasser, but it’s also a home invasion,
Jorge Ventura (20:42):
Honestly, with the term that you feel, whatever, I just go with migraine. What people don’t understand, and maybe you might disagree with my viewpoint here, but is if you just go with the reporting of saying illegal immigrants all the time, your reporting, that starts to become where only a certain part of the population is looking at that reporting and that population usually already agrees with you. So if I start reporting always with the word illegal immigrant or migrant, only conservatives will start to read what I post in things. And the thing is, the right already knows that this is an issue, if that makes sense. I want to be getting folks from all different backgrounds to look at this issue. It it’s a humanitarian crisis,
Sevan Matossian (21:28):
Extra sloppy says. I think more people were deported by Biden and Trump, but that would make sense because there’s significantly more crossing the border, right?
Jorge Ventura (21:36):
Yeah. I mean, more people, Obama were deported under Trump. I don’t know if that’s, that is real, if more migrants were deported under Biden than Trump. But I mean, it also might not be surprising because Biden is letting in. It’s not even close. The amount of illegal immigration. All the legal immigration records are being set under Biden right now, including migrant deaths. I think that’s something that we also forget is we’re having a record number of migrants die at the border, and where I’m at here in Eagle Pass, it’s one of the epicenters because of the Rio Grande River. They’re averaging about a drowning a day, including kids. So that’s an issue that usually mainstream corporate media doesn’t talk about is the humanitarian cost of this, of kids dying and drowning in the Rio Grande River. That’s another aspect of the story. And like I said here in Eagle Pass, the average of drowning a day, I’ve done interviews with the Eagle Pass Fire Department, the ones usually who have to do the rescue or the recovering of the bodies.
(22:33):
So many migrants are dying here in Eagle Pass. Local cemeteries are running out of room. The local sheriff actually had to order what they call freezer trailers from the state of Texas to start storing some of these deceased bodies because they don’t have any room for the cemeteries. Also, they have another challenge of even trying to identify some of these migrant bodies, so they don’t even know what country they’re from. And then even if they do identify ’em, it’s nine times out of 10, that country doesn’t even want to take in that deceased body anyway. So if a migrant from Venezuela had drowned here in the Rio Grande and they’re able to identify that body, I mean the Venezuelan government isn’t going to take in that deceased body. So essentially, the local officials here in Eagle Pastor are essentially stuck with an issue that, once again, it’s the federal government that’s supposed to be solving this issue, not up to little local ego pass local officials to solve this.
Sevan Matossian (23:21):
Jorge, in Seattle, there’s all the drug addicts on the street. They call ’em homeless, but taking care of the drug addicts has become an industry. It’s a billion dollar industry, is deportation and border crossing and this whole phenomenon we’re seeing, is there a business around it also?
Jorge Ventura (23:40):
So when I speak with folks, because there’s a lot of kind of theories of why would a federal government allow this amount of mass illegal immigration? So right now, what you do have is you do have NGOs who sometimes book the travel for these migrants. Even the federal government is reimbursing them. So then you have kind of that aspect of the more migrants we take in the technically more money some of these NGOs are making. So you have that aspect of the story. The other one is, and this is a lot bigger, is by allowing this amount of massive legal immigration, big corporations in the US essentially have this huge new labor workforce that they don’t have to pay the same rate that they would have to do for American workers. Now we are now finding out that some of that is true, and actually the New York Times has done great reporting on this, where a lot of these migrant children who are coming into the US or actually working in factories for I think five bucks an hour, four bucks an hour, it’s kind of happening all over the Midwest and factories.
(24:47):
So New York Times has done an investigation where they’re fighting a lot of these kids. There’s a lot of, what I say is, lemme stop there. If you guys remember back around 2016, maybe a little bit before that Bernie Sanders does an interview with a progressive reporter, and the progressive reporter asked Bernie Sanders, why don’t we allow all the poor people in the world to come in the US and start working and could make a living for themselves? And Bernie Sanders says, that’s a Koch brothers conspiracy saying, if you allow that much mass immigration, it’s going to hurt American workers and wages. And essentially you have corporations that could just hire this huge new labor force and then don’t have to pay American workers and families. That’s essentially what we’re seeing right now with this amount of mass illegal immigration. And you have also migrant children working in factories.
(25:36):
So that once again, that hurts American workers and wages. And just talking about the political angle here, because a lot of interesting things are happening back in 2016. So that’s when Trump beats Hillary Clinton for the first time he becomes President Trump ran obviously on tough border, right? The whole build the wall was tough on border where you start to see, if you look at voting demographics and trends, black men started flocking to the Republican party. And the reason why black men started voting GOP is because a lot of black men are competing with illegal migrants when it comes to these factory jobs. So when you have tough, tougher immigration law, it actually benefits black men. And I think we’re starting to see some of that trend back in 2024 where you’re seeing the Republican party obviously be staunch on immigration. You’re seeing the Democratic party being soft on this issue, and that’s why we also see black men once again start to trend towards the GOP because they directly know immigration competes with their wages. So these are some of these issues that we have to pay attention to. Obviously when it comes to white uneducated college voters, they’ve kind of been on this trend pretty early, but that one pretty interesting. So pay attention to that. But that’s kind of another kind of theory I would say, is huge labor force that could basically compete with the American worker.
Sevan Matossian (26:53):
What about this, I heard some crazy stats today that 12 million illegal aliens voted in the last Arizona election. I mean, that sounds crazy to me. Can illegal migrants vote?
Jorge Ventura (27:08):
So as of right now, illegal migrants can’t vote. They have to be a citizen. So that
Sevan Matossian (27:11):
Process, they cannot. They cannot. They cannot.
Jorge Ventura (27:13):
Yeah. Okay. Now I got to look at, now I know there’s, there’s some states where city level, they’re trying to let migrants vote for city council and stuff, so that’s a particularly different case. I have to find out what exactly cities are doing
Sevan Matossian (27:27):
That. But you’ve heard that theory, right? Where the Democrats are letting in all of these migrants to get votes. Is there any weight to that argument?
Jorge Ventura (27:40):
I mean, there’s definitely a weight to that. I think I forgot the city council woman’s name, but she was in New York, and she kind of said the quiet part out loud where she says, Hey, we need more voters in my district, where she was asked about illegal immigration. So you have that aspect as well. And like I said,
Sevan Matossian (27:56):
Would they be voting illegally then? What was that? Is there an expectation that they would vote illegally?
Jorge Ventura (28:03):
I mean, as of right now, I don’t see how any way that would be able to happen. No migrant right now could basically vote in a presidential election. But obviously the longing, if you want to make the theory in that argument of that case is in a couple years or a few years that migrant could start voting in elections.
Sevan Matossian (28:24):
And are we seeing illegal migrants become police officers in California?
Jorge Ventura (28:29):
We have yet to see that. I know that some states have talked about that, but we haven’t seen that in California. Now, obviously that could change. Now, obviously for those who been paying attention, the Golden State recently opened up healthcare for legal migrants that the state will pay for. So you have that aspect, but we don’t have where legal migrants are being hired as cops, I would say just yet, because this border story has been getting crazier. Crazier. So anything new like this doesn’t surprise me anymore.
Sevan Matossian (28:59):
Jorge, during the So-called pandemic and still is now, kids were forced to take drugs that were prescribed by the federal government or by the state governments. Federal governments, so that they could go to school kids if they didn’t take the drugs that were mandated, they couldn’t go to their universities, they couldn’t go to their schools. Were there mass injection programs at the border that the illegals were getting? Was every illegal given the injection?
Jorge Ventura (29:30):
No, and there was no requirement. What was actually interesting is we did a report back in 2021, I think, in McAllen and these migrants,
Sevan Matossian (29:40):
And it was at that time where I think a lot of businesses were shut down, but in California, we couldn’t even go to restaurants unless we proved we were injected. So I would have to assume that to come in the country, and Novak Djokovich couldn’t play in a tournament here, the greatest tennis player who ever lived because he wasn’t injected. Are you telling me that there, it wasn’t like, okay, come in, but you have to take this.
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