Jimi Letchford | GORUCK President

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

And bam, we’re live just like that. Can you hear me? Jimmy? I can’t hear you. Can you see me? Hey

Jimi Letchford (00:10):


Sevan Matossian (00:11):


Jimi Letchford (00:12):

I got you.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

You the man.

Jimi Letchford (00:15):

How you doing

Sevan Matossian (00:16):

Dude? So good.

Jimi Letchford (00:18):

Are we live?

Sevan Matossian (00:19):

We are live.

Jimi Letchford (00:20):

Oh my gosh. You didn’t tell me it was going to be live.

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

Oh, always live. Always live. Jimmy. I have a very long relationship with Jimmy. When I started at CrossFit, Jimmy started at CrossFit and we grew up in the space together and it was fun because, and I’d be curious to get Jimmy’s take on this, but it kind of had that feeling that, I imagine it was like being at Apple in the beginning when Steve Jobs was bringing the Apple computer to the world.

Jimi Letchford (00:51):

Yeah, that’s right.

Sevan Matossian (00:54):

I remember when I started I thought I was the king shit and Jimmy worked there too, and we were kind of in different lanes and everyone was remote so we were in different places and I was talking, I can’t remember to Greg or to Lauren one day I’m like, Hey man, this guy Jimmy’s bossing me around and Greg’s like, that’s my general, anything he says is like my voice. I’m like son of a bitch.


Jimmy helped me get distribution for every second counts. He had my back for fucking 15 years that I was there, similar to Dave where I had a fucking tough entry. Learning that these mill guys work hard. They have chain of command, they believe in getting shit done. They don’t do the Berkeley boy fluff talk like I did. It took me a while for us. I had to fight with them a bunch in the beginning like I did with Dave. And then next thing I knew we were fucking brothers. And I appreciate everything you ever taught me there, dude. It was people like you and Dave that taught me what real leadership is and it took me a long time to grasp it. Unfortunately, by the time I got it, I only got a two year reign by the understood. By the time I was able to understand what leadership was and fucking my team was decimated.


Dude, I want to say this. I was thinking how lucky GORUCK is to have you. Dude, thank you. They are so stoked. I know. It’s a super cool company. I know. It’s crazy focused. I know. It’s crazy. Focused on product and movement and getting people moving and obviously delivering the fucking highest crazy quality product. I know you guys are the Mount. I don’t want to say the Bentley, I want to say the Mount Everest of gear, like your shit can fucking take it. But all that being said, dude, they’re so lucky to have you, dude. You have so much experience. It’s insane. When I heard you landed there and then you guys partnered with CrossFit, I was like, holy shit. I know you and Dave are super close and I know Dave’s a crazy Rucker and I was just like, this is crazy. Do you trip sometimes? You’re like, holy shit.

Jimi Letchford (03:16):

Yeah. Well first off,

Sevan Matossian (03:19):

In a way, I’m not at home, but you’re back at home with your boy. I

Jimi Letchford (03:21):

Got the same aberration for you too, buddy. I remember really the first time, I think it was either 2008 or 2009 games when you and I really started to get close together. In fact, if you remember, we were selling at the 2009 games. We were like, Hey, we need to have a beer garden.

Sevan Matossian (03:44):


Jimi Letchford (03:45):

We reached out to the local distributor and they had some beer that was about to expire and they donated it to us in Operation Phoenix.

Sevan Matossian (03:56):

Oh shit, I forget that story. Barely, barely. Tell me that story. I love that. Expired. We’re startup. We need expired beer. That’s the best we can

Jimi Letchford (04:04):

Do. It was almost expired.

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

Almost expired.

Jimi Letchford (04:08):

But yeah, they donated it to Operation Phoenix and we sold ’em for three bucks and took the money and gave it to Operation Phoenix. But we got all this, got the big tent and the beer garden and all this stuff and they gave us these bottles and we didn’t have a bottle opener, not one. And you had your Winnebago RV thing there and you’re like in the middle of shooting. I’m like, bro, do you have a bottle opener? And you’re like, you’re just like, go check in my RV or whatever. So we ran in there and I ravaged the drawers and all that stuff. We ended up getting it. But anyway, dude, I appreciate you.

Sevan Matossian (04:45):

Did I ever get my bottle opener back, Jimmy? Or do you still Probably not. You want me a bottle opener?

Jimi Letchford (04:49):

I mean, I’m going through the drawers and finding all kinds of paraphernalia, so I just, I’m like, okay, got it.

Sevan Matossian (05:00):

You saw some hippie candles, some weed, some condoms.

Jimi Letchford (05:05):

Long, big, long mushrooms.

Sevan Matossian (05:11):

Jimmy, how old are you?

Jimi Letchford (05:13):

I’m 43.

Sevan Matossian (05:15):

How many kids do you have?

Jimi Letchford (05:17):

Five. Five kiddos. Good job.

Sevan Matossian (05:20):

Good job too. Dude. That was something that I was always blown away. I’m like, this guy does all of this hard work. He does all of this travel. And I think when I met you, did you have any kids?

Jimi Letchford (05:32):

Yeah, I think by the time you and I met, we had three or three, at least two and a half. At least two and a half. I mean, you know this. And any man out there that’s got a strong marriage knows that the backbone of the family is the wife. Madeline’s just a

Sevan Matossian (05:49):


Jimi Letchford (05:50):

She’s a foundation of all this. And especially in military family,

Sevan Matossian (05:54):

They man the command center, if you’ve got a strong woman, she mans the command center. She’s in charge of the base.

Jimi Letchford (05:59):

Yeah, that’s right. And in the military world, she is is that COC, while you go out and do the things that you need to do, she keeps the family glued together. She raises the kiddos while you’re not there, but then integrates you back into the systems when you get back. And we had an easy transition because we had been deploying the family. I had been deployed a lot and she had been used to it. And CrossFit was, yeah, it was felt like

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

You traveled a shit ton. We were always on the roads,

Jimi Letchford (06:36):

Tons. And sometimes it felt like, why are we doing this? But we were growing a brand, growing relationships, going to places and throwing our love on ’em and it was fun. It was spectacular. But yeah, it was. So we had three kids at the time and she was used to it. We did it well and it grew and it’s kind of a similar situation now. I mean I’m still a reserve Marine. I travel a lot for goruck and it’s one of those things where we’re used to it. We’re used to, we use the analogy in my house, I go out and hunt and I bring the meat home and I help process it. But she’s the one that does the rest of the stuff and it’s a great relationship and I’m really honored and proud to have a wife like Mads.

Sevan Matossian (07:29):

We’ll get to the details guys as we go through. But like I said, Jimmy and I started CrossFit around the same time we were there through all the fucking epic growth. We were there through the transition. And so we have that in common. There’s probably, I don’t know, a handful of us who took that journey when I was a kid and I would go to school. I always enjoyed going to class because of a friend I had there. And I always remember any trips I went on, I would always be so stoked to see you. I’d be like, oh, there’s Jimmy and I would try to hang out with you as much as you. I was like a little kid. I try to sit next to you at the dinner table. I always enjoyed our conversations. I enjoyed the way we interacted with the world and I just appreciated that and it was so cool. There was never any with our group, me, you, Greg, Dave, Nicole, et cetera, a lot of people. I’m not naming. You never had to be fake. And it was never that awkward reentry. It was like we were just all siblings and we just all were back in the van together cruising. That’s

Jimi Letchford (08:32):

Right. Yeah, I agree. I mean that was a special, we had some really good times. Just great laughs. A lot of fun experiences. Met a lot of interesting people in a lot of different countries and I agree. I always come home and tell Mads what, we always had a good time together, you and I and David

Sevan Matossian (08:54):

Up early and stayed up late. Fucking grind. That’s right.

Jimi Letchford (08:58):

Yeah. Bumping into you in the hotel gym pretty regularly.

Sevan Matossian (09:02):

Yeah, yeah.

Jimi Letchford (09:03):

But yeah, it was a good time. And we had something special with Greg, Dave, Nicole, you and a few others, but that was the core. That was really the heartbeat of what we had. That was pretty special.

Sevan Matossian (09:20):

It’s interesting you say one, you’re 43 now. I had my first kid at 43.

Jimi Letchford (09:26):


Sevan Matossian (09:27):

Crazy. Well,

Jimi Letchford (09:28):

Hey look,

Sevan Matossian (09:29):

But you’re still having them, but you’re still having ’em.

Jimi Letchford (09:32):

That’s permanent. There is no more of that anymore.

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

You’re stopped at five.

Jimi Letchford (09:36):

Yeah, we’re done. We’re done. I mean, we took a nine year break between number three and number four. So we have a 6-year-old and almost 4-year-old turns four next week. So we started over and it’s been magical. People ask me all the time or say to me, you’re crazy. You’re crazy for doing that. I kind of look at them and I look at the little ones and I’m like, you’re crazy for not doing this. This is amazing. This is a really, yeah, look at that. Yeah, that’s a few years ago. But yeah, you’re crazy for not doing it. Look, I was 24 when my son James, Kieran, Jimmy.

Sevan Matossian (10:19):

How old is he now? How old is he now?

Jimi Letchford (10:21):

He’s 19. Okay. He’s 19. So he’s at a SU Arizona state. The one on the left there, the beautiful one with the yellow shirt on. That’s my Corin. She’s 17. She graduates high school and the piercing look on the right. That’s Mikayla. She’s 14. She’s a freshman. We took a long, long break, but I’ll tell you with that first batch, we were young, our pants were on fire. It was one of those things where me especially, I was like, Hey, I can’t wait till they do X. I can’t wait till they walk, can’t wait till they talk. I can’t wait till they do this. Right. And that was for the first three. It was kind of like, well, let’s rush it along and I’ll tell you for the last two, it’s been the exact opposite. It’s like push the pause button, enjoy it. You realize how fleeting and precious those moments are and you don’t want to give ’em away. You don’t want to give him away because it’s a whole different feeling when your son goes off to college. And now I’ve got my daughter, I was just at her senior night for wrestling and they put a video up of her throughout the years on the big jumbo trot. And I’m like sitting in the back hoping no one sees the tears rolling down my eyes, dude,

Sevan Matossian (11:44):

I love it.

Jimi Letchford (11:45):

Yeah. It’s your

Sevan Matossian (11:46):

Daughter’s wrestling, Jimmy.

Jimi Letchford (11:48):

Yeah, both my daughters wrestle. Well,

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

You must, God must are so proud.

Jimi Letchford (11:53):

It’s pretty special. I mean, girls wrestling is an up and coming sport. It is empowering. It’s the exact opposite of what you would think. It would be exact opposite

Sevan Matossian (12:06):

In the jiujitsu scene. The powerhouse is for sure the girls. When at the age my boys are at, there’s this whole cadre cohort of girls who are under 14 years old who are on all the Instagram reels. The shit they can do, their reaction time, their intelligence, it’s on a whole nother level. It’s crazy.

Jimi Letchford (12:30):

And they don’t have the egos that you and I have. You know what I mean? I’ll tell you that growing up in New Jersey, wrestling is life, wrestling, football, baseball.

Sevan Matossian (12:41):

But that’s what you did. That’s what you did. You grew up in New Jersey?

Jimi Letchford (12:44):

Yes, south jersey wrestling. Okay. Outside of Philly on the Jersey side, of course, but wrestling is a big, big sport. You start when you’re four, that’s when you can. That’s when I did. And you just go and wrestling, I mean, wrestling rooms are packed. Gymnasiums are packed, especially for big rivalries. But the boys, you know exactly who the other guy is. You open up the Philadelphia Enquirer and you’re looking at the rankings and you see who you’re going to wrestle. You see the results mean and there is no friendliness around that. And there’s no friendliness in the world of coming off the mat and you lost or you won or it doesn’t matter if you got a rivalry team, there is no sportsmanship. Not to an extent. It’s not focused. Let’s just put it that way. These girls, they are so, they have such sportsmanship and the way they treat each other with respect and they hug each other and they help each other up off the mat and they smile coming off the mat. They’re just like, good job. You would think that it would be something a little more catty, I guess they’d be at each other in a different way. And it’s exactly not that it

Sevan Matossian (14:03):

Is. Any part of you disappointed in that? Jimmy? Is any part of you being a boy, being like, yo, don’t help that bitch up. What that

Jimi Letchford (14:09):


Sevan Matossian (14:10):

You’re hugging her. You just master face. You’re going to have to wrestle her again next season. I’m

Jimi Letchford (14:16):

A little tough on my girls as I feel like I should be. I don’t look at them as being you’re a girl and Madeline’s not either. Right? Here’s a female that also grew up around wrestling. She grew up in South Jersey and again, wrestling, wrestling’s life. And she’s very hard on them. Very hard on them as well. It’s just like, look, it kind of doesn’t matter, boy, girl, win loss. You’ve got to put your all into it. So yeah, I mean there’s some moments where I’m like, I had her senior night the other night. I told you I was up in the back so people didn’t see me cry. But the moment she got on the mat and I’m down on the front bench screaming my face off, telling her circle out to the left and be like, don’t relax on the side of the mat. So I’m pretty hard on them. And in Utahans are not very, they’re not confrontational.

Sevan Matossian (15:15):

What times? Say that again. What times

Jimi Letchford (15:17):

Utah? I live in Utah now. We live

Sevan Matossian (15:19):

In Oh oh, Utah. Utah. Utah, okay.

Jimi Letchford (15:22):

We used to live in Southern California, but we got out there right before Covid. We live in Utah now.

Sevan Matossian (15:29):

Nice move. Good job. Good chest move.

Jimi Letchford (15:31):

Yeah. Timing was perfect. Perfect. But the utahns aren’t like that, right? You don’t have a lot of guys sitting on the side of the mat screaming a face off you would see at every single mat at a New Jersey wrestling tournament. Right. So yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

How are you as a dad? Every time I have Josh Bridges on here, he got another story. His son plays basketball and every time he’s on here, he got a story where he had a confrontation with another parent. How are you doing?

Jimi Letchford (16:05):

My kids went to Park City High School last year. And is that

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

Bougie? Is Park City Utah? Crazy bougie?

Jimi Letchford (16:12):

It’s turned into Aspen.

Sevan Matossian (16:15):

Oh, that’s awesome

Jimi Letchford (16:16):

Fun. What happened was we got in here right in time. We probably could have got in a lot earlier, but this whole Covid thing happened and people, you’re talking about 60% of Park City at the time was all second homes. So people coming from San Francisco and New York and all these places came out here because they were locked down in the places they were. So it kind of swelled and then the real estate market went bonkers, like everywhere, but especially here.

Sevan Matossian (16:45):

Did you get in before that?

Jimi Letchford (16:47):

We got in before

Sevan Matossian (16:48):

It. Congrats.

Jimi Letchford (16:49):

Yeah. And so you got expansion of Deer Valley Mountain here. Park City and Canyons merged into one. And so you got the largest ski resort in the country here in Utah now. And then you have Deer Valley starting a new program or a new mountain actually they are going to manage a new mountain, but it kind of doesn’t matter. World-class skiing, beautiful homes, outdoor school system looks really good on paper. Salt Lake City Airport, 45 minutes from here. Great outdoor lifestyle. Great medical system here. So

Sevan Matossian (17:28):

It’s a great airport too, by the way. It’s not like fucking a shithole like Denver or Chicago. Those airports are fucking bonkers.

Jimi Letchford (17:35):

It is. So the kids are going to Park City High School. Both my daughters are wrestling in the system, but my son was also wrestling and they haven’t hired a real good coach in a long time. And so I’m volunteering and so I’m on conference calls rolling into the wrestling room, going on black for practice and then getting on conference calls afterwards. But anyway, we took a small little team, you’re talking seven or eight boys, never filled out a lineup and five, six girls. And we just with some other dads that their kids had already graduated. They just did it for the love. We’d go around to these tournaments and these matches or whatever. I always said to my wife, I was like, Hey, my dad, I love my dad. I have enormous amount of respect for him, but he was hard on me. He should have been when I was a young buck. I mean, I do remember a time where I came off the mat and I lost a tough one and everything and I’m waiting for a hug and I’m crying. I must be 10, 12 years old. It kind of doesn’t matter. And I’m looking for some solace in my old man and I get hit in the face with my shorts and my shirt and he’s like, you deserve to lose that. He walked off.

Sevan Matossian (18:58):


Jimi Letchford (18:58):

Walked off. And my dad was like, I mean SWAT team kind of guy, just jacked up fit.

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

Was your dad a cop? Was your dad a cop?

Jimi Letchford (19:07):

Yeah, 28 years. Wow. Yeah, 28 years. Retired on drug task force leading a SWAT team, that kind of stuff. And I always said to myself into my wife, I was like, I’m not going to be like that. I’m just going to be super chill on the side of the mat and everything. And the moment my son stepped foot on the mat, that hall went out the window

Sevan Matossian (19:32):

All way. He became your dad.

Jimi Letchford (19:33):

Oh my gosh. I’m a hundred times worse than my dad. I’m a hundred. I’m on the side of the mat going, you’re not going to, every shot that you don’t take is the one you don’t score on. Get your ass back in the center of the mat going nuts. Well, I would take that to my coaching too. And so the amount of referees that aren’t used to that kind of coaching on the side of the mat, taking them to the table and going challenging their calls and stuff, the amount of times I’ve been thrown out of matches is kind of insane.

Sevan Matossian (20:09):

Oh really?

Jimi Letchford (20:10):

Really? Yeah. My wife would just, I mean, I’d come home and she’d be like, how’d it go? And I’m like,

Sevan Matossian (20:17):

It was great in the parking lot. It was in the parking lot.

Jimi Letchford (20:21):

Yeah. Hey,

Sevan Matossian (20:23):

I want to ask you about that with your dad As a tenant,


It’s always tough to know. Some of my most fondest moments when my parents did console me, you know what I mean? I have a toy and I’m walking down the street and I trip and fall and my toy hits the ground and breaks and my dad’s like, don’t worry. And he walks me right back to the toy store and buys me a new one. And I’m like, those memories have stuck with me my whole life. But on the other hand, now that you’re a parent, your dad maybe didn’t want to treat you that way, but felt like it was the best choice in order to get the best out of you because at the end of the day, someday he’s going to be gone and the son, Jimmy’s going to be left alone in the world and needs to be tough. Tell me about, do you remember that moment he did that? How did you process that? How does a kid process that? Are you able as an alchemist to turn that into something positive?

Jimi Letchford (21:22):

Yeah, for sure. For sure. I think today there’s a lot more of the condolences and the solace and the like, Hey, you tried really hard and that’s really good. At least you tried. And like I got some of that and I got the perfect amount of what I needed of that. But he also knew being the oldest of eight, he’s the oldest of eight in Irish Catholic family in of all blue collar workers going in. And he is got all his brothers and sisters to take care of and he’s got his new family to take care of. My mom worked for the state as a court reporter, just hardworking family. He knew that the world’s not going to give you stuff on the silver platter, right? You got to go out, you got to work for it. And my old man, he was always engaged, right? It wasn’t like he would just sit in the stands. He helped coach wrestling, he helped coach football. He helped coach baseball.

Sevan Matossian (22:36):

And what’s important about you saying that is he wasn’t just a dick. He earned his right to be a dick. You respected him. Oh, sure. It wasn’t like you were getting beaten by the drunk dad. It was like he earned his spot at the table in your life to give you that feedback.

Jimi Letchford (22:50):

Oh yeah. Yeah. I still have an enormous amount of respect for my old man. He’s just a great person. He’s a great person. And I got to take some of the hard love that he gave me pretty regularly. And that generally came in around sports and academics. It was always like, Hey, school is number one. That was always it in my house. School’s number one. And I don’t give a shit how good of a wrestler you are or a football player, you’re not playing if you don’t have the grades. And the grades were A’s and B’s in my house. Don’t bring home a C. Do not bring home a C. And if you did, it was like you waited until next semester and it didn’t matter if it was like summertime next semester, you get to prove when that report card came home. No, I mean you remember, it was like it came home in a paper, a manila folder kind of thing. And that was when the grades were out. All these systems today where I can go check my girls’ grades this moment to see if they can go out on some app or whatever, that didn’t exist. So it was like,

Sevan Matossian (23:56):

Yeah, I remember that four times a year. The quarters were scary. That was some scary shit.

Jimi Letchford (24:02):

Yeah, that manila folder comes out and you pull it out and you’re just nervous is all hell,

Sevan Matossian (24:07):

It looks like a speeding ticket. They even write it on the fucked up weird paper like that

Jimi Letchford (24:12):

One of these.

Sevan Matossian (24:14):

Yeah, totally. And it was yellow. I don’t know if it was that yellow, but I remember it was that flimsy paper and you’re like, oh shit, here we

Jimi Letchford (24:19):

Go. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (24:21):

Jimmy, I’m going to come back to your high school. Hey, what’s the hardest ruck in your life that you’ve done? What’s the hardest ruck? Geez,

Jimi Letchford (24:32):

We used to do these, it was called a McCree. McCree and any Marine Marine that was working up in deployment when Noah a McCree is

Sevan Matossian (24:41):

And is that named after somebody? Is that named after somebody?

Jimi Letchford (24:43):

I can’t remember. No, no. In the Marine Corps, it’s dumb the amount of acronyms that we have and they change regularly, but I can’t remember what it stands for. But any marine that’s was working up in the earlier days of the Iraq war and enduring freedom would know what a McCree is. And you’d cringe because part of the McCree was a 25 mile hump is what we would call, so it’s a hike a R where you have all that you need, all that you need, and you’re going, you move from point A to point B, it’s 25 miles and you do it as a unit and you’re carrying all your weapons and all your ammunition and all your radios and all of that. And those are really difficult. Really

Sevan Matossian (25:30):

Difficult. Are you doing that at Camp Pendleton? Is that where you did it? Yeah, camp California.

Jimi Letchford (25:34):

Yeah. Each unit will have their own kind of camp. Legon will have their own or third Marines or whatever. But man,

Sevan Matossian (25:45):

Look at this. Marine Corps’s air ground Combat Center, 29 Palms California. Oh no.

Jimi Letchford (25:52):

But yeah, that’s what

Sevan Matossian (25:53):

It’s evaluation exercise. Okay. Yeah.

Jimi Letchford (25:55):

So you do it. So that right there. So it is getting a little bit deeper than probably necessary. But when you form, see there’s all these different units in the Marine Corps, right? And the Marine Corps is unique in how it structures itself different from other units because it’ll form what’s called a marine air ground task force. It’ll take infantry grunts, they’ll take force reconnaissance guys, they’ll take intel battalions, truck battalions, and it forms this larger unit. And this is what makes the Marine Corps unique, is that it bases that unit on the mission set, right? And once it forms that magtaf marine air ground task force, then it trains to it and tests against it. It’s pretty special. But that McCree hike is no joke.

Sevan Matossian (26:41):

No joke. Does anyone finish? How much does that weigh? How much does all your gear

Jimi Letchford (26:45):

Weigh? Do you remember? I mean, you’re talking a hundred pounds with flack, Kevlar, what you’re carrying on your back ammunition, any of this. You probably wouldn’t be carrying ammunition at this one, I don’t recall. But anyway, you simulate that with weight. We’ll be carried. Excuse me, you’ll be carrying radios and batteries, weapons, all that stuff. I love your money Penny. Here. Just keep him pulling up. Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (27:14):

Caleb’s the shit. Yeah. Yesterday I had a guy in the show and he is like, Hey, how come you’re not bringing stuff up? I’m like, Caleb’s not here. And that 25 mile journey, how many, you said the whole group does it. How many is that? How many dudes is

Jimi Letchford (27:30):

That? You’re talking several hundred. Several hundred. So battalion,

Sevan Matossian (27:36):

How many times did you do that? Did you do that more than once? I’ve

Jimi Letchford (27:38):

Done that once. The McCree, I’ve only done once, but we’ve done 20 mile, 25 mile hikes pretty regularly when I

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

Was at, but not with a hundred pounds of gear.

Jimi Letchford (27:49):

Not with that. No.

Sevan Matossian (27:50):

No. Does anyone make it easy? And do some guys not make it at all?

Jimi Letchford (27:54):

Some guys don’t make it. Some guys don’t make it. And the idea is that you move at a rate that you can, well, first what they’re trying to do is make sure that you are training to be prepared for it, right? That’s the bigger thing. It’s not like they go, Hey, wake up and we’re going to do a McCree hike today. It’s not like that. It’s like, Hey, part of this whole evolution in the is be this day will be a McCree and back off that and make sure your units are prepared. And so yeah, it’s one of those things, are

Sevan Matossian (28:25):

Your feet fucked up from that? Really, Dave? They are fucked up from that.

Jimi Letchford (28:29):

Yeah. You get, because that’s the other thing, right? It’s one thing to go out on just a ruck where you’re in a controlled environment right now. And I could go out into the mountains and I do pretty regularly here where I just got my perfect shoes, I’ve got my perfectly distributed GORUCK on. It’s that right? But when you get out and you start putting gear, like real life gear on your back with different sustainment, pouches and things like that, it’s not always perfect, right? And so you could be two pounds off to the left, things couldn’t be off-centered and center of your ruck. And this is field Craft 1 0 1 where you really try to disperse that evenly. But what happens is you’re going up and down, you’re on rocks, you’re stepping on the foot of the guy in front of you, your weapons off to the side. There’s those kinds of things. And if you’re going downhill, which is the worst, I mean, I’d rather be walking at a 45 degree angle uphill than down because your foot hits the ground and your toes slide just the tiniest bit. Do that.

Sevan Matossian (29:40):

And that happens 10,000 times.

Jimi Letchford (29:42):

Exactly. And I’d come back and I still have nails that won’t grow on my toes kind of stuff.

Sevan Matossian (29:51):

Dave did a ruck with Thomas DeLauer, and it was 35 miles with 35 pounds.

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