Sevan Matossian (00:04):
Bam. We’re live. Good morning. Pumped about today’s show. Very excited. Is that true? I just saw what Jay Harle wrote. Oh, sweet. Caleb will be on. That is awesome. I love it. I just saw what Jay Harle wrote that Caleb, that Hiller releases videos just prior to us going live. That is genius. So what is it? If it’s a 20 minute video, he releases it. Please tell me. He releases it at 6:40 AM Pacific Standard time and as soon as it’s over, you switch to me. They may need to give him a cut of my billions. Wow. Crazy. Oh, there she is. Whitney Davis. Damn. Hey, did you get the slack box I sent you? I couldn’t believe it was $38 or something. Crazy to send that piece of styrofoam over to you. That was absolutely nuts.
Jennifer Sey (01:03):
Hey.
Sevan Matossian (01:04):
Hi Jennifer.
Jennifer Sey (01:05):
Hi.
Sevan Matossian (01:07):
Oh, good. I’m glad you have a LaCroix. I always feel bad. I always realized I’m 1600 chef and I never tell anyone, Hey, you can drink coffee, and then I’m over here talking to someone, sip my coffee the whole time. Maybe I should start telling people they can pet a dog or bring a coffee or something.
Jennifer Sey (01:26):
My dog is barking, but she’s far away.
Sevan Matossian (01:29):
Barking dog. Are you in Colorado?
Jennifer Sey (01:32):
Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (01:33):
I am in Santa Cruz, California.
Jennifer Sey (01:36):
Okay. Know it well,
Sevan Matossian (01:38):
And on the back end is Caleb. Hi, Caleb. He is in one of the middle states, Nebraska. Nebraska, yes.
Jennifer Sey (01:49):
Not too far from me.
Sevan Matossian (01:50):
Yes. You’re at your two year anniversary, is that right? Since you quit your job? It’s close
Jennifer Sey (01:57):
To it’s more. Oh, for the job. Yes. More since I’ve been in Colorado, but yeah, it’ll be two years in February.
Sevan Matossian (02:04):
Yeah. Congratulations.
Jennifer Sey (02:06):
Thanks.
Sevan Matossian (02:07):
And basically on behalf of kids everywhere. Thank you.
Jennifer Sey (02:12):
Oh, well, not sure we did enough, but we tried. I tried.
Sevan Matossian (02:18):
Hey, I mean, outside of even what you did, just like the super high picture is the fact that you just showed integrity and there’s nothing more. I don’t think that there’s anything more valuable to stand up for than kids.
Jennifer Sey (02:36):
I agree with you. I don’t understand why more people wouldn’t do that, but I can’t say I’m surprised given my background in history in gymnastics, so.
Sevan Matossian (02:48):
Right, right. I want to go back a little bit with you. Where were you born?
Jennifer Sey (02:54):
I was born in Philadelphia.
Sevan Matossian (02:57):
Are your parents immigrants or are they first generation? No, nope. Been around here forever. So you’re born American girl and as American city as they get,
Jennifer Sey (03:08):
Yeah, born Philadelphia, Jewish, not very religious, but definitely culturally Jewish. Spent a few years in Turkey as a young child. My dad was in the Air Force, he was a doctor in the Air Force in the early seventies. Came back to New Jersey, south Jersey and started gymnastics. I was obsessed with Nadia as a lot of little girls in the seventies where, and there weren’t a ton of sports opportunities for girls back then. This is like right post Title IX in 1975 is about when I started. So yeah, and I loved it. I kept going, made the national team by the time I was 10, was on national team for, gosh, I think eight years national champion in 1986, but it’s a brutal sport. My first book was about that and kind of exposing the brutality and coaching abuse in the sport of gymnastics. So I had a little run at a mini cancellation from that. You weren’t supposed to talk about the abuse in the sport, but as I said, I saw firsthand the way that adults will sacrifice children for their own reputation, money, medals.
Sevan Matossian (04:27):
I’ve had a bunch of CrossFit games athletes on the show, and I had two women on the show, separate interviews in the same week, and both of them had been seen by that nightmare, by Larry Nassar. Oh, by Nassar. And I just kind of randomly asked it because the story was big at the time. Hey, did you ever have any rhymes with that guy? And they said, yeah, absolutely.
Jennifer Sey (04:49):
Yeah,
Sevan Matossian (04:50):
Scary
Jennifer Sey (04:51):
Too old. But yeah, I know a lot of the victims and the survivors having made a documentary called Athlete Day about the whole thing, which is about Nassar on the surface, but I think at the kind of broader, bigger level, it’s about the abuse in the sport that is just rampant, that allowed for somebody like that to do what he did for 30 years as the doctor for team USA.
Sevan Matossian (05:20):
And you also had a colleague and friend die from the sport also, right? From an injury.
Jennifer Sey (05:29):
Yeah. Julisa Gomez passed away from an injury sustained in the sport. I knew several and know several that are paralyzed from the sport. I mean, it’s a brutal, brutal sport.
Sevan Matossian (05:45):
Hey, just now when you said not very religious in the book that I just finished the Levi’s unbuttoned book, amazing book, by the way. So many of my friends have started picking up and actually listening to it, the audiobook, you basically say you’re not religious. Are you a little bit religious now? Has something changed in you? No, no, zero religious,
Jennifer Sey (06:10):
I mean, we practice the Jewish holidays. I like the cultural aspect, the history aspect, but I’m an atheist.
Sevan Matossian (06:18):
Right. So you like the tradition and the cultural pieces that make you who you are through your history passed down.
Jennifer Sey (06:26):
Yeah, absolutely.
Sevan Matossian (06:32):
So were either of your parents, athletes, mom or dad?
Jennifer Sey (06:37):
No, I mean, not seriously. My dad’s pretty athletic. I mean, he’s 81 now, but he’s pretty athletic. But no, not seriously.
Sevan Matossian (06:46):
So they get you into this sport where it’s kind of like the pinnacle of all sports. The founder of CrossFit, who a lot of my listeners are, he comes on the show once a week. They’re very intimate with them. He says basically gymnastics is it, and he describes it exactly the way you do. Super duper dangerous commitment has to be insane. The abusiveness all that, he describes it, but he also says that it’s like if you’re good at gymnastics, you can do anything.
Jennifer Sey (07:12):
Yeah, it’s an
Sevan Matossian (07:13):
Interesting, you cut your teeth there, right?
Jennifer Sey (07:15):
Yeah, I mean, it’s an interesting sport because you have to have all of speed, strength, flexibility, the precision required, the discipline required. You can’t just be sort of like a one skill athlete. You kind of have to have it all. Now, I don’t know if you can do anything, any sport, because gymnasts do tend to be rather short, and now height is such an advantage in basically every other sport that you play. But I think the discipline required to get good at this sport will serve you in life later if you’re so inclined. The problem is the training is so tough in such a short window that so many young people come out of. The sport is completely burned out on life and don’t necessarily go on to apply that discipline in other areas.
Sevan Matossian (08:09):
And you shattered your ankle, you broke your ankle and continued to train on it for two years, and to this day, that’s the injury you live with.
Jennifer Sey (08:17):
Oh yeah. You can’t do that to yourself. I mean, I didn’t understand it at the time and I didn’t even know it was broken. I learned that at 40 when I finally went back to see a doctor. But yeah, you don’t recover from that kind of abuse of your body. So yeah, my ankle’s kind of a mess.
Sevan Matossian (08:37):
Did you know, oh, and here you are. How old are you here?
Jennifer Sey (08:43):
Gosh, probably 16. I don’t know where that is.
Sevan Matossian (08:49):
Hey, did you retain any of those skills throughout the years? Could you get a trampoline and still Wow the kids?
Jennifer Sey (08:59):
I could do some stuff a couple years ago. My body has declined a bit further, so it’s hard now.
Sevan Matossian (09:06):
Hey, how are you upside down now. Are you okay? I just, I’m going to turn 52 in March and I’m not so good upside down anymore. I can ride rollercoasters
Jennifer Sey (09:14):
Roller. Yeah, I’m fine. I could do handstands and stuff.
Sevan Matossian (09:18):
Look at you crazy. And then at some point, so you get out of gymnastics and then what happens after that? What do you do after that?
Jennifer Sey (09:28):
Well, I left the sport sadly, despite my successes as the 1986 national champion, I left really sort of broken and just shamed. My body fell apart, my mind kind of unraveled and I just quit or retired and a few months before the Olympic trials in 1988, and I went to college like a normal person and I did not do gymnastics in college. I wanted nothing to do with the sport and I wanted to figure out who I was without the sport. I’d never been a person without it. I’d been doing it pretty seriously since I was six. So that was quite a journey. I was mad about it too. I went to college and there were all these athletes who were going to make a career of the sport that they had mastered as children. And as much as I hated the sport at that point, I didn’t know how to figure out what else there was.
(10:26):
And it seemed really unfair. I had been as good as they were at their sports. There were tennis players and football players and baseball players. They’d all become professional and I was like, what am I supposed to do? So it took me a while to figure that out, who I was without the sport. And I eventually did, I graduated college and went to work in the corporate world, which I was reluctant to do. I did not think that’s what I wanted to do, and I was always kind of a reluctant corporate executive. So maybe that’s why it was feasible for me to kind of give it up at the height of my success. I always sort of entered that world reluctantly, but I found I liked it after I got into it and I was good at it. And I liked being part of a team and managing a team, and I loved working at Levi’s, which I did for 23 years. It’s this amazing brand and the work that we did, it was such a cool way to intersect with culture. It’s not working for Swiffer, you know what I mean? It was like this really amazing brand and we got to do,
Sevan Matossian (11:25):
That’s the thing people clean the floors with, right? Yeah.
Jennifer Sey (11:28):
It’s not like it was like a mop. It was like these jeans that people love and they wear their whole lives and everyone has a favorite Levi’s ad and everybody has a favorite pair of Levi’s, and it was a really cool brand to work on for a really long time. I loved it.
Sevan Matossian (11:43):
I think there’s something pretty cool about working in three spaces, food, shelter, and clothing. They are pretty fundamental pieces of equipment that we all cherish. We all need food. We all would like to have shelter. Unless you’re addicted to fentanyl, then you don’t really care about the shelter part, but the clothes and the food are kind of important.
Jennifer Sey (12:05):
I think so. But for me, Levi’s, it’s such a cut above. I still feel this way. Any other apparel brand, so much of apparel right now or clothing is fast fashion. It’s this disposable garbage that you can wear one or two times and then it’s destroyed or ruined. Whereas people keep Levi’s for their entire lives. I have Levi’s in my closet, they’re 30 years old. People love this product and they’re built to last. There’s something really cool and kind of wholesome about that, that I think is neat. And people would say to us all the time, I wear other things, but I live my life in Levi’s. Like your memories are written in these jeans and there’s just, it invites such amazing storytelling. So it made working on marketing within Levi’s a really exciting proposition.
Sevan Matossian (12:53):
We have a weird similarity. I started working at CrossFit in 2006 when there were less than 300 gyms and I got fired from there when there were 15,000 gyms as we didn’t have a chief marketing officer. I was on the executive team and I was in charge of media, which was the same as our marketing officer. If we would’ve had one, I eventually got fired from there. I was part of the toxic culture, but I love CrossFit, and so here you are with a company and I lived and breathed it like you did, and I still love it. I still cannot stop talking about it and promoting it and sending people there. I mean like, hey, you could probably tell me what jeans I need to go out and buy right after the show. Definitely. Hey, you know what? I’ve been talking to you. You seem like this kind of guy, Jean. Yeah,
Jennifer Sey (13:46):
I definitely could. Yeah, I mean I still wear it. Obviously I worked there 23 years. I probably have, even with pruning every year, I still probably have a hundred pairs of Levi’s in my closet. So that’s what I wear every day pretty much. It’s a brand great
Sevan Matossian (14:01):
Product pruning. I like that. Hey, go back and ask you even. I want to go back to when you went to college and I want to ask you a little bit about boys and when you decided you wanted to have kids and stuff like that, but really quick, a hundred pairs, 23 years there. Was there ever any significant change? Did you know everything where you guys got the cotton from, where it was spun up, changes in the market when you guys switched cottons? Is there all sorts of crazy shit like that?
Jennifer Sey (14:33):
Well, when I joined Levi’s, it was in 1999, and we were sort of just past the height of Levi’s popularity. 97 was the biggest year Levi’s ever had. The eighties through to the late nineties were just this boom period for those of us of a certain age. You might remember the 5 0 1 blues campaign, which is back in 1984 that really put Levi’s on a rocket ship.
Sevan Matossian (15:02):
You were part of that generation that took Levi’s to Russia. That was, you talk about that in the book, and I forgot about that whole era, but that was a whole thing that us Americans could do when we traveled over there to the eastern blocker. That was cool to hear you tell that story. For people who are too young to know, we used to take Gene there and trade ’em for shit, and we were like, gods.
Jennifer Sey (15:20):
Oh yeah. I went to Moscow in 1986 for the very first Goodwill games and took a bunch of five oh ones to trade with the Russian gymnasts who were the best in the world at the time. That’s what you did. They were gold. They represented freedom. And that’s what the Russians wanted to trade us for. We wanted their leotards and pins and tracksuits, and they wanted our 5 0 1.
Sevan Matossian (15:48):
Did you ever order a hundred thousand pairs of jeans would come in and you’d go over there and touch ’em, be like, uhoh. And they’re like, what? And they’re like, this doesn’t feel right. And they’re like, oh yeah, well, we switched cotton buyers. And you’re like, dude,
Jennifer Sey (15:59):
The bigger changes is so big. They’re buying cotton from all over the world and manufacturing all over the world. The bigger changes were around distribution and the landscape in terms of distribution. When Levi’s was growing so fast, they could barely contain it. You had, well, the competitive set was like there was Lee and Wrangler and that was it, and you sold at Macy’s and JCPenney and that was kind of it. And then somewhere around the early two thousands, the competitive market changed. You went from having two or three competitors to hundreds at a time. You had premium, you had value, you had the middle, you had fashion, you had everything in between. And the distribution landscape totally changed. You had direct to consumers. So brands, the Gap, which once carried Levi’s as their jeans brands started to make their own and really took off in the nineties and early two thousands, although they struggle now.
(16:59):
You had online and e-commerce, and we were just really at Levi’s. We were late in addressing the new distribution landscape and being on our toes enough to be competitive against hundreds of competitors versus three. That really changed things and it took us a good decade to wake up. And we suffered terrible declines in share and volume and revenue. And in about 2013, well 2011, we got a new CEO and I was put into the chief marketing officer role in 2013, and the goal was to kind of get back to our former levels of greatness and we really had a steep hill decline, but we drove a pretty remarkable recovery given that in 20 10, 20 11 we were near bankruptcy.
Sevan Matossian (17:47):
Was the company always based in San Francisco? Yep. What year did you start again,
Jennifer Sey (17:51):
Jennifer? 99.
Sevan Matossian (17:53):
99. And did you move to San Francisco right away?
Jennifer Sey (17:56):
Well, I lived there when I got the job. So I went to Stanford, which is about a half an hour, 45 minutes south of San Francisco. And after I graduated, I moved to San Francisco and my first job was actually at an advertising agency called Foot Coat and Building, and I worked eventually on the Levi’s account. So my history is even longer than the 23 years. I spent about three close to four years working on Levi’s, the Levi’s account in at an ad agency. Then I left and went to the Gap, and I worked at Banana Republic for about three years. They were owned by the Gap, and then eventually I went to Levi’s and stayed there.
Sevan Matossian (18:34):
By the way, the book Levi’s unbuttoned, these stories are detailed in there with fun stories, details, adventure, relationships. You have to read this book even if the subject, well, I know the subject does interest you guys, but even if you don’t, you’re going to enjoy the book. It’s a great adventure. Rambler always with the great questions. Why the rise of the genes so high? It hurts to sit
Jennifer Sey (19:01):
That shit. I agree with that. But look, the trend in women’s has been a higher rise for the last, gosh, probably six, seven years. The rises, for those that don’t know, it’s like,
Sevan Matossian (19:14):
I don’t know,
Jennifer Sey (19:15):
From the button to the crotch, that’s the rise. And the length of rises change over time. So if you remember the early two thousands, very low rise jeans we’re in, think about Britney Spears and the belly bearing looks. You had a low rise boot cut. That was the cool style for women and men usually followed suit. Not quite as low as women’s, but a little bit low over the last, like I said, five or six years, very high rises for women in particular. It’s kind of a seventies, five have been in, you can see it there, right? You see how that straight
Sevan Matossian (19:48):
Gene, I don’t like with the high rise, what it does to the ratio of you do. It
Jennifer Sey (19:52):
Makes your leg look real long.
Sevan Matossian (19:54):
Oh, interesting. Okay. Okay. So you like it for the same reason? I don’t like it messes the ratios up for me of how I’m looking at the body. Well,
Jennifer Sey (20:02):
I think for me, I’m a little bit short. I like that it lengthens the leg and I also think it sort of holds your tummy in. It gives you a nice little face.
Sevan Matossian (20:11):
Okay, alright. Did they ever make a pants that was so low cut? It just wouldn’t stay on and they’re like, no, we can’t do this.
Jennifer Sey (20:17):
It’s not that low, but we’ve made ’em low. But the low rise is coming back now. So I mean, the cool thing now about styles is sort of everything is in, if you like it loose, wear it loose. If you like a high rise, then go ahead and try that. But lower rises are coming back as well. So if you want the Lowrise boot cut, it’s out there for you.
Sevan Matossian (20:37):
You get out of gymnastics and that’s full-time, right? That’s like 6, 7, 8 hours a day. You’re either traveling to gymnastics, eating in between, or training.
Jennifer Sey (20:48):
No eating, but yeah,
Sevan Matossian (20:49):
No eating. Okay. Yeah. Oh yeah. Right. And no eating. Is that true in the book? I think you said you had taken yourself down to 400 calories a day. Oh
Jennifer Sey (20:57):
Yeah. Yeah. We ate nothing. We got weighed twice a day. We were shamed for our weight. Our weight was announced on the loudspeaker at the gym, Jim,
Sevan Matossian (21:06):
That’s really true. So you would be in there and they would be Jennifer, say 102 pounds and everyone’s like, oh fuck. She was 99 3 days ago. She’s getting fat. Holy shit.
Jennifer Sey (21:18):
Exactly.
Sevan Matossian (21:19):
Oh my god. I couldn’t handle that.
Jennifer Sey (21:24):
Yeah, neither could we.
Sevan Matossian (21:25):
Would your mom and dad be in there?
Jennifer Sey (21:27):
My mom was often there, but it was so normalized. The parents just accepted it. It was even worse than that. I mean, I tell a story in my first book about a young girl younger than me. She was probably, I don’t know, nine or 10 at the time, weighed about 75 pounds. Her parents were both quite overweight. She was not, but she had gained a half a pound or something. They get on the loudspeaker and they’re like, I won’t say her name, Joan, that’s not, but
Sevan Matossian (21:59):
You remember her name. How old are you now? You’re 50 now?
Jennifer Sey (22:04):
I’m 54.
Sevan Matossian (22:05):
So you remember this 30 years ago, 35 years ago. You still remember her name?
Jennifer Sey (22:09):
Oh yeah.
Sevan Matossian (22:10):
Okay. Crazy. You
Jennifer Sey (22:11):
Want to look like your parents. Yeah, she was 75 pounds. She gained a half a pound or something from the day before.
Sevan Matossian (22:22):
Would you be with your friends too? And they would be like Jennifer? Did they ever say stuff like Jennifer say, oh, she lost a pound since yesterday. Congratulations Jennifer and all your friends were like patting you on the back and shit.
Jennifer Sey (22:32):
Well, no, there wasn’t that kind of camaraderie really. I mean, we were all terrified of what the coaches were going to say to us at any given time. And if you lost a pound, there was no congratulations. It was just like, okay, now lose another
Sevan Matossian (22:48):
Look at Whitney agrees with me. The ratio makes my ass look weird. And yeah, I’m telling you
Jennifer Sey (22:54):
Then that’s not for you where you can get a mid-rise. My favorite gene is the 5 0 1, which is really sort of in the middle. It’s a lot of women think it’s too high though, but you can get a lowrise. You can get a midrise. Just look at on the website that you’re shopping, it’ll tell you the length of the rise. Whatever you like works. My issue with Lowrise also is it gives you that muffin top. So stuff hangs over it cuts in.
Sevan Matossian (23:17):
That’s the story of my life.
(23:20):
Yeah. By the way, when you read this book, you’re going to realize that it’s no accident that Jennifer was as successful as she was, and you just saw a little bit of it there. She is the ultimate diplomat, but if she does put her foot down, you will not cross that line. And you saw her, she was very diplomatic with you. We’re not going to convince her one gene’s better than the other unless the subject’s about masks, which we’ll get to. Hey, have your opinions changed since you’ve read that book? There are some things in there that I’m like, Hmm, I wonder if the George Floyd thing, has your thoughts around George Floyd evolved since you’ve written the book, or have you seen the new movie that’s came out fall of Minneapolis?
Jennifer Sey (24:07):
I have not seen the new movie. I would argue my, look, I spent my life as what I would’ve called a sort of left of left Me too Democrat. Me too. So I wouldn’t identify that way. Now, do I believe in racial equality? Absolutely. Do I believe that what we’ve been doing for the last five years is going to achieve that? No.
Sevan Matossian (24:32):
Well, no racism. If you fight racism with racism, all you’re going to have left is racists. That’s the Mother Teresa shit. Right? If you fight violence with violence, whoever wins is going to be the violent ones.
Jennifer Sey (24:42):
That’s right. Exactly. So I don’t really, people ask me all the time, oh, you’ve been red pilled or You’re this, you’re that. Not really. I haven’t changed. I believe the same things I always believed in, and the reason I was a member of the Democratic Party and considered myself sort of further left than even many in the party is I thought the Democrats did care about the vulnerable and they cared about children and they cared about protecting the little guy from corporate interests, and they cared about free speech and freedom of the press. And none of those things seem to be true right now. So I would not identify as a Democrat. I want nothing to do with that party. I’m furious about the illiberalism of the last five to 10 years, and Covid in particular. You can’t shut public schools down and think children are going to be okay. You can’t shut the press down and freedom of speech down in the name of democracy. We need less democracy to protect democracy. It doesn’t even make any sense. So I’m not a Democrat anymore, but I’m not a Republican either.
Sevan Matossian (25:48):
Okay. By the way, Jennifer, she does have a movie out. It’s called Athlete A, and she’s working on a new movie. It’s called Generation. That’s something else you and I have in common. There was a time, if I may show off, there was a time when I had five, I don’t even know how many are there, but I had five of the top 10, all-time grossing documentaries on Apple iTunes documentaries, which still didn’t make a fucking dime off, but she is making a movie that’s going to, I’m very excited to see and hopefully have you on as soon as it comes out. A very, very dear to my heart. In the three years I’ve been doing this podcast, this was an enormous subject and I watched the trailer and I saw we have similar friends also like Jay.
Jennifer Sey (26:34):
Yeah, he’s in there.
Sevan Matossian (26:35):
Yeah. That’s really cool. Are you friends with him? Do you feel close with Jay? Yeah, he’s great, isn’t he?
Jennifer Sey (26:40):
Yeah, he was a great support to me, me during the conflict in my work situation.
Sevan Matossian (26:47):
Was he a teacher of yours or a peer colleague of yours?
Jennifer Sey (26:52):
We’re about the same age, I think.
Sevan Matossian (26:54):
Did he go to Stanford when you did? Did he go there? He
Jennifer Sey (26:56):
Did go. I think graduated one year ahead of me, but we didn’t know each other.
Sevan Matossian (27:01):
And how about Ion, do you know him also?
Jennifer Sey (27:04):
I don’t, but I followed him closely during the worst of Covid as a person obsessively reading the data. I found him pretty early on
Sevan Matossian (27:15):
And he wasn’t making himself accessible. Did you see some of, have you tried to get him because he’s drawn some interesting lines in the sand?
Jennifer Sey (27:22):
No, I didn’t. We got a broad range of folks in the movie, and Jay sort of represents the perspective of the dissident scientists. We only needed so many.
Sevan Matossian (27:35):
I think ATI’s has this thing where he won’t do anything that’s not for a nonprofit. He doesn’t want to be affiliated with anyone who’s making money. He won’t go. If you pay him any amount of money, he won’t go speak.
Jennifer Sey (27:48):
Yeah, good for
Sevan Matossian (27:49):
Him. Yeah, yeah, totally good for him. Okay, so you finish gymnastics and that whole has to be filled with some movement, doesn’t it? For your mental health? Like all of us who exercise every day? That’s our thing.
Jennifer Sey (28:04):
That’s a good question. Not at first. I rejected all of it. It’s hard to explain how broken and angry I was about the sport, and I didn’t really make sense of it for quite some time, probably until I wrote my first book, meaning make sense of how that abusive coaching had impacted my sense of myself and my self-esteem and all of that. But you can’t be told your garbage every day for 10 years and not come out thinking that you’re garbage. That is what you will think about yourself. So no, I actually rejected basically all forms of anything helpful and exercise. But I found my way back eventually in my, I guess I would say throughout my twenties and thirties, I was periodically engaged with somewhat healthy behaviors, but largely unhealthy behaviors. Did a lot of rebelling. Now, despite the fact that I have a pretty broken body. I’m very disciplined about exercise, but I prioritize consistency over intensity. I think CrossFit’s probably really intense. I don’t think my body can handle it, but I will say if I’m consistent, the levels of the health that I achieve are, I don’t know, it’s underestimated. I walk a ton. I ride my bike, I do have a bike at home. I lift weights and I stretch.
Sevan Matossian (29:32):
What did you start exercising with too? Here’s another thing about gymnast, and sorry to categorize you, but you guys are elitist in your nature and rightfully so. You do all the hard shit. Your exercise is intensive. It makes you crazy strong, it makes you fit, makes you eminently capable. Do you remember what you pivoted to after that? Running just seems like, I mean, that’s the lowest form after gymnastics, isn’t it?
Jennifer Sey (29:54):
I hate running.
Sevan Matossian (29:55):
Yeah, me too.
Jennifer Sey (29:57):
I did dance for a long time in my twenties.
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