Jason Khalipa | BJJ Brown Belt | Train Hard Men’s Club – Affiliate Leader

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Kind of you’re in your natural habitat. Bam. We’re live.

Jason Khalipa (00:04):

You mean my natural habitat where

Sevan Matossian (00:08):

You’re at home or something? Normally I get you, you’re in a podcast studio or you’re in a garage or, you know what I mean? You’re somewhere where you’re sweating. You look like a homeboy. You look like you’ve been domesticated.

Jason Khalipa (00:17):

Dude, I just,

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Not that domesticated.

Jason Khalipa (00:20):

Hey, I just got done training the garage, man, so had to get my PrepU in before I came on here. Make sure that I’m ready to go.

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

I hear you. Hey, is the family asleep?

Jason Khalipa (00:32):


Sevan Matossian (00:33):

Are you going to wake ’em up?

Jason Khalipa (00:35):

That’s not my plan. No, that is not my plan. Yeah, Ashley. Yeah, everybody I normally have to get after it early, especially today, I know that I’ll have stuff going on, so I just want to make sure I get after it. And then, dude, I bring my full energy to you guys.

Sevan Matossian (00:54):

Got it. I love it. You always do. You’re in the Mount Rushmore of Easy. I’ll put you up there with Josh Bridges of the easiest people to have on. You’re such a fucking great guest.

Jason Khalipa (01:03):

Oh, well thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Hey, we talked for three seconds before we went live and you were like, Hey, what’s new? And I was thinking your life is probably similar to mine and the fact that you always have new irons, what is it called? New irons in the stove. New muffins in the stove. Yeah. You always have things in motion, so every day is exciting for you, right? I mean, there’s always, you have so many things going on that there’s always something that pops up. You’re like, fuck yeah. This is why I’m alive. This is dope.

Jason Khalipa (01:35):

There you go. Hey, by the way, I just wanted to recognize there’s other people on this podcast and say, what’s up, Susa Beaver? I don’t know if we’ve been on a podcast together, but nice to see you too. Nice to see you, Jason. Thanks, Todd.

Sevan Matossian (01:47):

Please do not spoil them. Look at that. Rick.

Jason Khalipa (01:50):


Sevan Matossian (01:51):

Do. Not

Jason Khalipa (01:52):

In regards to, but in regards to irons in the fire. Yeah, man. Dude, we got the jiujitsu. I just signed up for tactical games. I host these train hard men’s club all the time. There’s always stuff going on, man. I’m down to talk about whatever. Obviously you have stuff going on in the CrossFit world that I’m still deeply involved in. And yeah, man, just trying to move forward.

Sevan Matossian (02:14):

Tell me about your Jiujitsu gym. Tell me about Jiujitsu community versus CrossFit community. Not versus they’re in competition with each other, but how are they different and how are they the same?

Jason Khalipa (02:26):

Yeah, dude, actually, it’s crazy, man, is that my original instructor was in downtown San Jose, and it was just too far of a commute for me, so I ended up finding a gym closer to home. But now that instructor’s opening up a gym about 800 meters from my house. It is the

Sevan Matossian (02:41):

Original instructor.

Jason Khalipa (02:43):

Yeah, it’s as ideal as possible, but the community is a very similar man. Just there’s, there’s a barrier to entry in both communities that require people to be hardworking, good people. They have similar characteristics because in Juujitsu especially, I mean you in there one day and you have an ego. I mean, it’s gone the next day. And in CrossFit, in some ways it’s the exact same thing. It’s hard. It’s difficult, and so it attracts certain types of people to it. So I’d say there’s a lot of similarities between the two communities, actually more so than I think most people give credit to. I’m sure you’ve seen this with your kids doing it. It’s almost like if you picked me up and you moved me from CrossFit gym to Jiujitsu Gym, or if you took me from a CrossFit event to a Jiujitsu event and the sports were switched out or whatever, you really wouldn’t be able to tell the difference.

Sevan Matossian (03:29):

Let me ask you this, I feel No, I sense from stories that I’ve heard, I’ve never heard anyone be like, Hey, I brought this dude into my CrossFit gym and hurt him on purpose. But I have heard stories at a cadence that people do get hurt in Juujitsu gyms because there’s dickhead in there, and I don’t ever hear, I hear about shitty coaching, but actually in Jiujitsu, of course, I’m not trying to poo poo jiujitsu or take anything away from it. Everyone should do it. My kids do it five days a week. But is that true? Do you see that there are some guys in every gym that, hey, they hurt people. That guy fucking hurts people. That guy hurts new people.

Jason Khalipa (04:18):

I wouldn’t say there’s that guy in every gym, but there is that guy that exists. That is true.

Sevan Matossian (04:24):

CrossFit really doesn’t have, you never have an instructor who’s like, okay, I’m going to fucking hurt this dude. I mean, there’s bad coaches, but they don’t hurt anyone on purpose.

Jason Khalipa (04:31):

No, I don’t think that in jujitsu there’s actually people who say, Hey, I want to go out today. My intention is to go hurt people. I don’t think there’s people like that. I think what happens is twofold, number one is that you’ll have someone come to your school and they’ll start beating up on your students in a kind of aggressive way, in particular to women or smaller guys. And then you’ll have an enforcer on the mats who goes there and shows this guy like, Hey, man, don’t come into our school and start hurting our athletes, or going all crazy to prove yourself. I’m going to show you how it’s done here. So there is that dynamic where there needs to be some checks and balances where some dude shows up out of nowhere and just starts ripping on people because his ego’s in check. But I would say more times than not, man, the goal is to be a good training partner.


I was on the Jocko podcast, and this is what I said. I said, dude, your goal is to be a good training partner. Because the problem with CrossFitters getting into Juujitsu is that they come, they’re strong, they’re fit, they’re athletic, and so all of a sudden these other people start feeling that tension. Oh yeah, there you go. And it just starts a negative back and forth. My recommendation is for anybody who try and jiujitsu is just, they got to leave their ego at the door. And I think that back to your point, I don’t think there’s actually people who have been in Juujitsu a long time who say to themselves, my goal is to hurt people. I don’t think that’s true.

Sevan Matossian (05:48):

Okay, fair, fair.

Jason Khalipa (05:50):

But I do think that things just get heated very quickly, and there needs to be a hierarchy in place to let people know that that’s unacceptable. Meaning the head instructor, whoever needs to come and put people in check and be like, Hey, look what’s happening right now. That’s unacceptable because there is that personal dynamic that CrossFit doesn’t have. In CrossFit, you don’t put your hands on each other. It isn’t as dynamic. It’s very much like there’s a barbell. The barbell doesn’t hit back. All of a sudden when you’re rolling and someone does something to you, your ego gets in check and then you ramp it up, and then before you know it, it’s like two bears trying to beat each other up.

Sevan Matossian (06:29):

I have not taken a single Jiujitsu class, but I took my kids to this past week or two weeks, I took my kids to two separate Juujitsu academies. They did two days at a place in actually three. They did one day at Gracie Baja in Scottsdale. They did another one at a small boutique, one that was, I wish I could remember the name of it in Scottsdale. And then they did a five days at a o OJ in Newport Beach, California.

Jason Khalipa (06:54):

Oh yeah. How was that? 10 hours? Those are the most beautiful locations ever. Dude, the a oj,

Sevan Matossian (06:59):

It was cool. I mean, it’s different. So the gym that they go to here is a small gym. It’s the same 15 kids every single day for four or five years. Gracie, Baja and a OJ are more, they’re almost like factories. They’re big. They went to Gracie Baja. They didn’t spar. Once they go to a oj, it’s big. It’s kind of like a factory, but man, dude, it’s a two hour class at a oj and that dude, my kid holding his arm here in five days, he had a fucking, I dunno, 50 sparring matches. One day he sparred 15 times and they just throw up to the class, and sometimes the first half an hour will just be sparring. They’ll warm up and they’ll just, they’ll do sparring first and then technique second, you know what I mean? And they’ll just get in there and it’s pretty intense. I mean, it just goes from zero to a hundred, you know what I mean? It’s cool though. My kids love it. They used to fear it, and now they’re like, throw their GI on and run out there.

Jason Khalipa (08:05):

Dude, I’ll tell you what, man, anybody listening right now, if you have not at least tried jiujitsu, you got to go do it. I mean, I got my,

Sevan Matossian (08:13):

Why do you say that? Because it’s scary or because

Jason Khalipa (08:15):

It is scary. Someone asked me the other day on my podcast, they said, Hey, what do you do outside of fitness for yourself? Like me? And I thought about it for a while. I’m like, shit, I don’t do things that much outside of fitness because that’s what I love. I love movement. I love shooting my bow in the backyard. I love training for the tactical games, and I love jujitsu. It’s an outlet for me, just like in a way my workouts are, but juujitsu just, bro, if you’re not engaged, if you’re not focused, you’re going to get choked. And so you can’t let your mind race elsewhere. And so I just think for anybody who wants to learn new skills, who fell in love with CrossFit because of the complexity of snatching and rope climbing, whatever else they’re missing out on, not exploring those parts of their brain. It unlocks channels that I never thought was possible, and you continue to unlock ’em every single day.

Sevan Matossian (09:04):

Give me an example of that, A channel.

Jason Khalipa (09:07):

I like to think that maybe this is just my, I dunno if this is accurate, but imagine if your brain is a bunch of different freeways, and people talk about this when they talk about mushrooms and they talk about what the byproduct of shrooms on your brain. Not to go off on a tangent here, but you have these channels that have been created, and through shrooms, it helps to unlock those and recreate new connection points, whatever. But in a completely different realm. You could think about juujitsu or CrossFit. When I first found CrossFit, I remember really being inspired by the coach, the community, all that. But I really felt inspired by chasing these goals of the snatch of the row, climb of the muscle of the name, the thing. I was chasing the thing, and I was learning new skills. And when an instructor told me to point my hand out this way, it blew my mind. Well, in CrossFit, after you do that for a decade, two decades, three decades, whatever it is, you no longer get your mind blown that often, meaning you don’t have new channels created in Juujitsu. I’m getting my mind blown every day, meaning every single day I’m connecting my brain with my body in a new way because I’m learning how to use it in a different lens. And that to me is cool.

Sevan Matossian (10:13):

Do you think it’s changed your thinking just on how you operate, how you talk to people, connections you make? Yeah, I guess in connections you make.

Jason Khalipa (10:24):

Yeah. I saw this question come up. I have not done shrooms, but I am interested in, I would say if

Sevan Matossian (10:30):

They did not taxidermy Jason kli, have you done mushrooms? The answer is no, I haven’t, but he’s grown millions of dollars worth. He sold them on the black market. Take him

Jason Khalipa (10:40):


Sevan Matossian (10:40):

Zion church in Oakland. We’ll

Jason Khalipa (10:41):

Get it straight.

Sevan Matossian (10:42):

He sells ’em out of his trunk. He has a Nissan Pathfinder. He sells ’em out the back. If you see him drive around the Bay Area, just walk up.

Jason Khalipa (10:49):

Do look out for my Honda Civic, but you were asking me about No, I think Juujitsu has, I don’t know if it’s necessarily changed the way I think outside the world necessarily. I’ve had other life experiences that have definitely impacted the way I treat others and the way I see the world, I’d say Juujitsu just puts me at a level state of peace. When I leave Juujitsu in general, I kind of walk around. I have little bit of a higher energy, higher testosterone, maybe whatever the hell you want to call it, I’ll leave and I’m just at peace, super calm. I don’t feel like I have much, it’s almost like you finish a really hard cross or work out the exact same way that I feel right now after training the garage is what I feel after, but even on a little bit of a higher level,

Sevan Matossian (11:31):

It’s interesting. My kids have done it their whole life, so I can’t tell exactly what the effect of it has had on them, but I do see them and I’m like, man, these fucking kids got swagger, like shoulders back upright, super confident and super mellow everywhere they go, just kind of assessing shit. I’m like, wow, these don’t seem like normal kids to me. They should be spinning out.

Jason Khalipa (11:51):

I mean, obviously we don’t need to go off on only Juujitsu today, but I will say that for my kids, it’s like, dude, I want to build their confidence. I want them to walk around and have that confidence because it’s that dude, the guys who used to bully people, all those kind of people in high school, it was the least confident kids. So if you could teach confidence if you teach this, I think it’s critical. So that’s what I’m doing with my kids along with a bunch of other stuff. Obviously

Sevan Matossian (12:17):

Jason, I learned this from Tony Lauer about, and I really don’t want to fuck this up. Tony’s such a brilliant guy, but he was basically saying that fights aren’t about winning and losing fights are about leaving emotionally intact. And there’s been situations where I’ve been in where shit got hostile and I didn’t handle it the way I wish I would’ve. I let something interfere with the right process. I didn’t give myself permission to handle it the way it needed to be handled. And I feel like my kids don’t give themselves, when we go to tournaments, they’re not giving themselves permission to let go. And I’m not rushing it, but I propose the idea to them, and it’s kind of a douche move of me since I don’t do it, since I don’t do jiu-jitsu. But do you know what I’m talking about? And do you give yourself permission?

Jason Khalipa (13:09):

Yeah, no, I don’t know exactly what the quote that Tony says, but yeah, look, I think that the more you expose yourself to hard things through CrossFit, through juujitsu, through whatever, it allows you to show up differently outside the gym. And when you’re used to what it feels like to be in combat, you find yourself not pursuing it as much elsewhere. You handle situations much more calm, cool, and collective. I’m sure your kids do in school because they’ve already, they’ve seen that line 400 times because they know what it’s like to go up against another kid who wants to try and beat them up within a class setting. And so when situations come up at school, they just handle it in a more calm and collected way than trying to show up a certain way because they don’t need a boast. They’re confident in their abilities. I think that’s huge. I think they,

Sevan Matossian (13:58):

But when tournament, do you give yourself permission at a tournament to go full throttle? Do you ever catch yourself like, oh shit, I’m holding back?

Jason Khalipa (14:05):

No, I think when I’ve competed in jujitsu, even so at my level, I’m not trying to break somebody’s arm. I’m just not call me a whatever. I just, dude, I want that dude to fight another day and I want to fight another day too. And so I’ve had to be careful about entering into tournaments because of what I do for a living. I want to be able to use my body, but when I’m in training sessions and stuff, dude, I get to certain positions. Now of course, I’m trying to submit people, but I’m trying to submit them in an appropriate fashion. The better you get, the more where that line is. And I never let, a couple years ago, I started to really try and separate and detach from my ego and it’s gotten better and better every single year. In the beginning, it was really difficult. In the beginning it was very hard to detach from your ego because you’re feeling, but over time it better.

Sevan Matossian (14:55):

Do you think that what you’re saying to me is just an excuse? Because you can’t give yourself permission. Do you think that you could go into a tournament and give yourself permission to just unleash Jason Kpa?

Jason Khalipa (15:06):

No, I don’t think I can. And I’ll tell you why. Because

Sevan Matossian (15:10):

It would take someone breaking into your house or something.

Jason Khalipa (15:12):

That’s right. That’s right. For me to be unleashed, it would have to be a threat to myself and my family. Then I’d be unleashed

Sevan Matossian (15:18):

These other guys, how about Nick Rod? Can he unleash?

Jason Khalipa (15:22):

I think he could unleash because he’s a professional athlete and that’s what’s required of him to win. It’s like, it’s like going, does feel

Sevan Matossian (15:29):

Bad to breaking in I foot you think? No, Gordon Ryan. Oh, you think he feels bad for breaking it?

Jason Khalipa (15:34):

No, it’s like going into the octagon at the U ffc. You have to be prepared to, your goal is to basically, I don’t want to say kill because that seems a little extreme, but

Sevan Matossian (15:42):

It is kill or be killed. There’s some crazy, someone could punch you in the throat and end your shit in a second.

Jason Khalipa (15:46):

Yeah. So that’s the mentality, right? And I think that for me, at my level of juujitsu, it’s not that. Now if something else happens elsewhere, but dude,

Sevan Matossian (15:54):

Your academy is known. Your academy is known. People get fucked up at your academy.

Jason Khalipa (16:00):

So I go to two academies. One of the

Sevan Matossian (16:02):

Academies you go to get shit, bro busted up. Some people, I bet you monthly, one of the academies you go to, someone has to go straight to the orthopedic service. It’s true. One of the academies you go to is rough. Hey, I’m bad motherfuckers there.

Matthew Souza (16:17):

I’ll say this. Jason hit on the point about the instructor because that really, who needs to control the cadence? I went to one Juujitsu Academy back when I had time to do these things. I guess that’s just an excuse. But the instructor just kind of threw me into the fire. I’d had a little bit of experience. And then he is like, okay, you go. And he paired me up with Javier, this fucking pit bull.

Sevan Matossian (16:37):

Fuck Javier cuts my lawn, dude, he’s a bad dude. His

Matthew Souza (16:40):

Javier fucked me up, dude.

Jason Khalipa (16:42):

Hey bro, don’t talk about Javier.

Matthew Souza (16:45):

We try to figure it out. He just throws his knee to belly on me so hard that he’s pushing his knee through my fricking gut into the, and then he just does this cross collar choke on me and I don’t even know what the fuck is going on. And then it would just like, okay, restart. And the instructor would let that go for a really long time. And then I switched academies and the next instructor went, okay, you over here, you over here. You guys pair together. You guys pair together. He would go, he would see things escalate. He would stop. He would go, Nope. Hold that position. Get in that position. Okay, now you guys start again. He controlled the fucking floor. And all of a sudden I was like, wow, this is a very different experience than what I got the first time.


And in fact, with the white belts, he would go back and he would do stuff like knee and elbow escape, and he would break down each detail with us. Why the upper belts, the blue belts, purple belts and brown belts got to go into the rolling session a little bit sooner. So again, I just want to make the point that this exists across everything. I think CrossFit always gets better at, but it’s a hundred percent always comes down to the culture of the gym and the instructor. So even if Jason comes from a hardcore fucking gym, I guarantee you those guys are the gentlest as they’re training and learning. I know I heard

Sevan Matossian (17:52):

Some stories about one of Jason’s gyms. He knows which one I’m talking about.

Jason Khalipa (17:56):

Some fucking

Sevan Matossian (17:57):

Bad motherfucker in there.

Jason Khalipa (17:59):

But you’re right though. Susa, it’s like going to a CrossFit gym. It’s like when CrossFit, you see a bad rap for Rhabdo, right? And you’d show up and someone would have you do, I don’t know, three Frans or something like that. It’s the same thing in Juujitsu. The instructor has to be responsible for making that first experience great in CrossFit space, dude, there’s a responsibility on the instructors right now. There’s a responsibility to break down this stigma of jiujitsu and in CrossFit and it’s all based on the first impression. I mean, dude, people can try so long they hear about cross hear about CrossFit, finally go try it. And they’re one bad experience away from never going back in that gin again. And I think that that’s something that every CrossFit instructor should take on their chest and say, Hey, this is important to the overall ecosystem.


I have the ability to change the way people view this and their one bad experience away from never come back in. This same thing happens in Juujitsu. Dude, that experience you’re saying now, you walk around all the time, you say, bro, jiu-jitsu’s whack. I went in there one time, some dude neon belly me cross collared choked me. I walked around with this sore throat for a week. You’d be like, I’m never doing that again. Or you could have gone in and be like, man, it’s the gentle art. It’s super great. We did a phenomenal warmup. I learned technique, but it’s all based on the instructor in the school.

Matthew Souza (19:12):

Yeah, three months in, I had anxiety going into every class. It took three months to get over that anxiety just to go. I knew I would look cross it and I’d see Javier, he’s like, and by the way, it was a good dude. We were like buddies, but I just knew he was going to fuck me up.

Sevan Matossian (19:26):

Hey, can’t you say something to him Susa, or is it you

Matthew Souza (19:28):

Just keep cheating? No, I know, bitch. I just took my look. My acceleration of hey, my escapes and my defense and my position hole got a lot faster than that environment. But I came home bruised up, bro. I’d walk in and Grace would be like, what the hell happened to you?

Sevan Matossian (19:44):

Jason, how old’s your son? He’s the one who’s doing Jiujitsu.

Jason Khalipa (19:48):

Both of my kids use, yeah, my son’s nine. My daughter’s 12.

Sevan Matossian (19:54):

So your son’s still going with girls?

Jason Khalipa (19:57):

No, my son, my son and I, both of my children train with me only. It’s not ideal. I’d like to get them into more classes again, but both of my children train with me because at this point I’ve been doing jujitsu for a while, so I work with them once a week on just fundamental self defense and because they’re playing a bunch of other sports and my son doesn’t like love, my son doesn’t love, I do this kind of stuff with Ava. We’re working pummeling. That’s an example. The other day we were working a bunch of stuff with her, but yeah, so I work self-defense stuff with her all the time. And then I do different stuff with my son

Sevan Matossian (20:35):

Walter. If Seon trained bjj, all his trash talk would change so much. Yeah, you’re probably right,

Jason Khalipa (20:42):

Dude. It’s only a matter of time before Savon does jujitsu.

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

No, no, no. Listen, it

Jason Khalipa (20:46):

Only a time.

Sevan Matossian (20:47):

Listen Jason, I am the kind of guy just throughout the day I’ll bend over to tie my shoes and my fucking back will go out for a second. I’m,

Jason Khalipa (20:56):

Dude, I’ve seen videos of you cold do a muscle up, bro. You could do,

Sevan Matossian (20:59):

Yeah, and then I’m down for a month. I went to SU’s gym the other day and I jumped up onto a two inch plate and my back went out. Nah, I ain’t fucking around,

Jason Khalipa (21:07):

Bro. I’m good. Hey, next thing is what do you know about the tactical games? Have you seen that kind of stuff?

Sevan Matossian (21:13):

I just know that’s where you run and carry a gun and shoot shit with a high heart rate, right? And cross. You’re just destroying everyone in it, right? Isn’t Jacob er just like,

Jason Khalipa (21:23):

He’s like multiple times champ. So I got to come back on the show in early March and tell you how that experience has come competing in one at the end of February. So it’s just a way to test accuracy. You talk about the 10 general physical skills. Here’s a way to test accuracy that hasn’t been tested much in the CrossFit space. Except remember that time at the Rogue Invitational they did the guns with the skier and then they’ve done some stuff. But anyways, I’ll have to keep you guys posted on how that goes.

Sevan Matossian (21:48):

Yeah. Hey, if I did do Juujitsu, I think I would have zero. I mean, it’s easy for me to say now. I think I would’ve zero ego and people would be so annoyed rolling with me. I’d just be tapping. You’d grab me from behind my head. I’d be like,

Jason Khalipa (22:06):

I’m good. I’m good.

Sevan Matossian (22:07):

Point, point. Yeah. Damn, you beat me 75 to zero.

Caleb Beaver (22:10):

I tried doing that and people would be like, you’re just uncomfortable. I’m like, no, I’m done here.

Sevan Matossian (22:14):

Yeah, I hear instructors say that to kids. No, you’re uncomfortable. You can’t tap. I’m like, damn.

Caleb Beaver (22:20):

No. My shoulder’s going to tear out of its socket. You can fuck off uncomfortable.

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

Oh shit, you’re just uncomfortable. That’s what I tell my wife. Just uncomfortable.

Jason Khalipa (22:31):

You’ll be over sued.

Sevan Matossian (22:32):

Yeah. Hey, rear naked choke. I snuck up on my wife and put the hooks in and rear naked choked her and she got out. I couldn’t stop her.

Jason Khalipa (22:41):

Oh my gosh.

Sevan Matossian (22:42):

Do that. I’m telling you, I’m telling you. You wrestle with your wife at all.

Jason Khalipa (22:47):

Not like that, but

Sevan Matossian (22:49):

Even a little bit like you walking by a bed or some match, you just push her down and growl at her. What you want something?

Jason Khalipa (22:56):

No, no. She doesn’t play like that, bro. She’s not into that kind of stuff. I don’t know what you’re into. My wife’s

Sevan Matossian (23:02):

Not into that either, but every once in a while I do it. If she’s in a compromised position putting sheets on the kid’s bed or something, I’ll come up behind her and push her. So she falls on the bed. I’ll be like, what? She goes by when she’s in the single leg and just throw her down on the bed and then run out of the room.

Jason Khalipa (23:22):

Dude, I get punched. I do that kind of stuff with my son. We wrestle all the time, but not with Ashley. No. She doesn’t like that kind of stuff.

Sevan Matossian (23:28):

No. She’s like Beaver and me. She taps early.

Jason Khalipa (23:33):

Hey bro, when are we going to get you out to a train hard men’s club? When are we going to get you out to one of our workouts? I think I invited you to the one in Santa Cruz, but you didn’t show up.

Sevan Matossian (23:41):

You did. Tell me about it. What is this thing? I’m not into the touchy feely men shit. I ain’t into men’s groups and where we express our feelings and shit.

Jason Khalipa (23:51):

Yeah, I know you’re not, so that’s okay.

Sevan Matossian (23:54):

I don’t want anyone asking me anything sensitive.

Matthew Souza (23:56):

That’s how you need to go. That’s I’m going to go and I’ll film ’em. Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Oh, let’s do it. I’ll,

Jason Khalipa (24:04):

That’s something different that you have on the screen we can talk about. But basically every week we just get a group of guys together, started off with just my local school and then just kind of expand it. We’ve been doing it now for four or five months and it’s not designed to be anything fluffy. It’s just designed to get guys together and do something hard. That’s it. And what I’ve found is that for a lot of these guys, the only time they train hard is with us with this group. And then throughout the week they just get more confidence. They feel better if they start doing more exercise on their own. And yeah, man, we just pick something different every week.

Sevan Matossian (24:36):

Give me details, walk me through it. So the one you sent Santa Cruz, what would it have been like? I’d pull up, I’d park, I’d get out What happens

Jason Khalipa (24:44):

In Santa Cruz? I brought a bunch of kettlebells and bumper plates in the back of my truck. We show up to the beach, I bring a speaker. We got after it for like 40 minute amrap and then we jumped in the ocean. That was it.

Sevan Matossian (24:54):

I like it.

Jason Khalipa (24:56):

And the talk before is like, Hey guys, we’re just here to do something hard together. That’s it. Let’s partner up, let’s do whatever. And then so we’ve done that. We’ve done, for example, we do hill sprints, we’ve done sled sprints, we’ve done, we just do a lot of random hard stuff like stairs, whatever we could find and just do hard things. My favorite one so far has just been up this hill near my house. We set up a light at the bottom and a light at the top, and we just did intervals and it was gnarly. We had three guys throw up. It was incredible. I mean, it was magical. We had 40 dudes, imagine 40 dudes running at 6:00 AM when it was pitch black on the street. It was just great.

Sevan Matossian (25:35):

How hard are these men? Do you have a dura meter? What’s a dura meter? Does that measure the stiffness of penises? Caleb, is that a medical device? What’s a dura?

Matthew Souza (25:43):

Yep. Yep. Stiffness.

Sevan Matossian (25:44):

Is it really? No. Hey, is there something, Caleb, you know how you go to the doctor and they want to check your lung capacity and you blow into that thing and the ball goes up in the little plastic tube. Do they have anything that would check the rigidity of your penis? Is there a medical

Matthew Souza (25:57):

It’s a ring when it’s placid though. That’s the hard part.

Sevan Matossian (26:03):

It’s crazy that they wouldn’t test that. Seon doesn’t like large groups. He’s not vaccinated. He’s unvaccinated.

Jason Khalipa (26:10):

Yeah. There you go.

Matthew Souza (26:11):


Sevan Matossian (26:11):

Very scared. Christine Young. Was this a shout? See this? The magical vomiting. Magical vomiting. She’s making fun of you.

Jason Khalipa (26:21):

Oh my gosh.

Sevan Matossian (26:22):

Jason. That’s called bulimia. Geez. It’s a tough crowd.

Matthew Souza (26:24):


Jason Khalipa (26:26):

You never know what you’re going to get me from the crowd on the Savon podcast. I hear a lot of athletes don’t want to come on this. I’m always down to come on the Savon podcast. I love talking to you. If you know my thing about you is I know you never know what’s going to come left or right, but I’m always down to come on because you and I have always, it’s always been good.

Sevan Matossian (26:43):

It’s always been good.

Jason Khalipa (26:46):

I have no idea what’s on the screen right now.

Sevan Matossian (26:47):

Okay, so it’s a difference of things from soft to hard. He’s found the on the soft end is gummy bear and on the hard end is a hard hat. Wow, I really like that. Shopping cart wheels. Yeah, those when I think that is so random, but those are hard. The thought of one of those hitting your barefoot sounds horrible, doesn’t it? Okay. Hey, what’s the premise of this group? Tell me, is there a, what’s it called when you have a business and you have some sort of statement? Like a mission statement? Yeah. What’s the mission statement then? Tell me what’s the catalyst that you started this thing?

Jason Khalipa (27:30):

There’s no mission statement. There’s no money, there’s no registration, no nothing. It’s just I sent out a text or I sent out an email to a group. And then in the Bay Area, it’s just starting to grow and grow and grow. There’s no expectations, no signup process, just, Hey, I’m going to be at this place at this time. Getting after it. Come if you want, don’t come if you want. It’s up to you. No one needs to say anything to me.

Sevan Matossian (27:53):

How do I get on the email lists like fight club?

Jason Khalipa (27:56):

Well, you’re like a VIP, so I might even put you on the text thread.

Sevan Matossian (28:00):

Oh, shit. Alright.

Jason Khalipa (28:02):

For example, on Thanksgiving Day, it’s

Sevan Matossian (28:04):

Just boys, you have to have a penis to attend.

Jason Khalipa (28:08):

Yeah, right now it’s just men. And here’s the reason why. Dude, I got a response from I’m

Sevan Matossian (28:14):

Okay with that. I like men a lot. I’m okay with that, dude.

Jason Khalipa (28:20):

I think that in our gyms we have great energy. It’s phenomenal. People are just getting after it. But at 5:00 AM when it’s pitch black and you’re doing burpees on the pavement and with a bunch of dudes, it just has a different energy to it. It’s not better. It’s not worse, it’s just different. And so if you want, in the future, we’ll do a family one in the future, we’ll do a couple’s one, but you’re trying to bring specific energy so people can connect on a different level. That’s just what we’re doing right now. But it’s not to say we won’t change that plan. And we’ve been doing every week for four or five months, but the best one I think we did was on Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving morning, we did a 5:00 AM sled sprints at a local library in the parking lot and we had 40 dudes show up and just, we don’t ask for anything.

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

The cops show up.

Jason Khalipa (29:03):

Yeah, the cops show up, but they’re a part of it. They know what’s going on. I tell local law enforcement, I told the mayor, I told the chamber of Converse, everybody knows I’m not trying to make it a secret of what we’re doing because I want them to know we’re trying to build us. We’re trying to create a fitter community and just giving an outlet for people to come and get after it.

Sevan Matossian (29:23):

Would you say that what you’re doing is part experiment? Are you experimenting?

Jason Khalipa (29:31):


Sevan Matossian (29:31):

Because I’m trying to ask you what you’re doing and you’re like, Hey, I’m getting guys together. And there’s a unique piece to it when you get these guys together and they work hard, and it sounds like you’re running an experiment.

Jason Khalipa (29:44):

I think what it is for me is I’ve been trying to get better about this, is if something calls me and it seems like someone asked me their day, are you worried about the liability? I said, yeah, I guess, but my heart’s in the right place. I’m just trying.

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