Hiller & Hunter | Live Call In | Indigenous Peoples Day

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Morning is bam. We’re live. I wonder if that information we got this morning is public.

Andrew Hiller (00:04):

Can we ask?

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

I did ask on the thread. Hey guys, good morning.

Andrew Hiller (00:09):

No, no. Can we ask?

Sevan Matossian (00:11):

Oh, the person. Oh boy, I, oh, no, no, no. Look at the thread. We can’t ask. Not yet. Hey, good to see you. I’m starting to get used to your haircut. Last night when I was watching the show with Pedro, I would go back and forth between thinking it was short or you had just shitloads of gel in it and it was long, slick back. You know what I mean With my eyes

Andrew Hiller (00:45):

So Jr. When I was down there is like you wear hats and I go, I do when my hair’s short.

Sevan Matossian (00:51):

Oh, did you cut your hair just so you could wear a hat?

Andrew Hiller (00:54):

No, I cut my hair because I wanted Alexis to microneedle it.

Sevan Matossian (01:00):

Your dome?

Andrew Hiller (01:01):

Yeah, so she has this device that stabs a bunch of little holes in your head.

Sevan Matossian (01:05):

Why would you do that?

Andrew Hiller (01:07):

My hair was thinning.

Sevan Matossian (01:09):

Oh, and that helps.

Andrew Hiller (01:10):

Yeah. Supposedly one of the biggest things that help out, Hey, he is here.

Hunter McIntyre (01:14):

Dude, you look like a cancer victim. What’s going on with your hair?

Andrew Hiller (01:18):

Hiter? Dude, I got cancer.

Hunter McIntyre (01:20):

What’s going on

Sevan Matossian (01:22):

Dude? You’re You got

Andrew Hiller (01:23):

Cancer, man.

Sevan Matossian (01:24):

Your audio is Chris punter.

Hunter McIntyre (01:26):

That’s right, dude, I spend the big bucks.

Sevan Matossian (01:29):

Your audio is Chris, why

Hunter McIntyre (01:31):

Did you gut your hair, bro? What happened? This is exactly, have you ever heard of that book called Self-Made Man Where the chick transitions into a dude and then talks about how hard it is to be a dude and then she transitions back to being a woman.

Andrew Hiller (01:47):

Shut up.

Hunter McIntyre (01:48):

You basically are that person right

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

Now. What book is that? What book is that

Hunter McIntyre (01:52):

Self-Made? Man, it’s actually pretty sad. I’m actually paraphrasing it. I haven’t read it. Supposedly she came back and said how incredibly hard it was to be a man and how brutal women were to her as a man under the pretense that she was a man and that’s what’s happened to Hiller. He got on testosterone and felt the superpowers of being a fucking Superman and then he got off it. Freaked the fuck out, shaved his head and now I

Andrew Hiller (02:18):

Gave my head because of it though. And

Hunter McIntyre (02:19):

Now you’re going back to,

Andrew Hiller (02:22):

Oh, so you’re keeping up. Okay. Hunter’s keeping up. He knows I’m off and on.

Hunter McIntyre (02:25):

I consider you guys to be my friends. I may not like and comment on all your shit, but I still stay on tabs.

Sevan Matossian (02:33):

By the way, Hiller is back on the sauce. I was actually thinking this morning, the code for California Peptides is working ca peptides.com. The code is working. You can just

Hunter McIntyre (02:44):

Buy the peptides off the site without having to have any work done to you. I could just go in there and buy them.

Sevan Matossian (02:51):

Dude, I’ve been dabbling. I’ve been dabbling. You’re

Hunter McIntyre (02:54):

On the PEPs do.

Sevan Matossian (02:55):

I dunno if I’m on them, but I did a bunch of this BPC 1 57 and I did a bunch of the one that’s supposed to increase your human growth hormone,

Andrew Hiller (03:02):

Cjc 1, 2, 9, 5.

Sevan Matossian (03:04):

And I gifted three bottles to people around me to make sure I wasn’t making it up, that I felt the effects and everyone’s like, holy shit, can I get more? This is why

Hunter McIntyre (03:11):

It’s so easy to cheat and CrossFit. You can literally just go on websites and buy off it like it’s Amazon

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

Or you could drink my urine. Yeah,

Hunter McIntyre (03:18):

Dude, old. What is it

Andrew Hiller (03:21):

You should add to that, that they can’t

Hunter McIntyre (03:23):

Find old Armenian pea Potts? Yeah, they can’t test for peptides. I think peptides. I don’t know if you can do it through. They’re not doing blood tests. It’s just piss

Sevan Matossian (03:32):


Andrew Hiller (03:33):

Well, no, the thing is you have to inject them daily because the half life’s so short that they’re Audi in, I don’t know, 48 hours.

Sevan Matossian (03:39):

Is that true? Anybody who’s smart? Yes, I

Hunter McIntyre (03:41):

Know that. Anybody who’s smart, well yeah, this would be considered a water-based. It’s not.

Andrew Hiller (03:46):

That’s why you do it. subq

Sevan Matossian (03:49):

Hunter. If you were injured but you knew it was illegal to take peptides, but you knew they got out of your system in two months, would you do it? You had a foot injury. Mine was bicep injury and I started injecting into my bicep.

Hunter McIntyre (04:09):

I am at the point where in my career I don’t really have anything else to gain. I’ve won everything, so I have everything to lose. But if I was in a position where I was just starting my career off like 25 year old hunter had a debilitating knee injury, 100% just

Sevan Matossian (04:25):

To fuck it. Who Caress. Just be prepared. Just be like, and if I get caught, I get caught. Who cares?

Hunter McIntyre (04:29):

At this point, I don’t want to have anything that taints my record, so fuck it.

Sevan Matossian (04:35):

What did you taint?

Hunter McIntyre (04:36):

Yeah, but I’m in the position where if I got injured right now, I just wouldn’t come back. I bet guys, what do you want me to do? Take a two year mend period and then come back. There’s nothing to be gained

Sevan Matossian (04:51):

Anyway. I highly, I haven’t heard one bad thing about peptides. Nothing. Not from a doctor, not from anyone who’s taken them. It’s been just straight fucking positive. Dude, you go

Hunter McIntyre (05:00):

Back like six, seven years ago when Charles Quinn was on Tim Ferris podcast. He’s talking about peptides. So what are the things you would take as everybody is like you guys aren’t thinking about what’s really the best thing on the market right now and it’s barely understood, which is peptides. Peptides. The people who are the best in exercise science and performance have been using peptides for decades, but now the black market’s always willing to do things a lot faster than the governing bodies. So you guys are just finally getting ahold of stuff that people have probably been taking for way too long.

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

It is a gray area, right? I was looking at the a humble one or UWA or whatever website trying to figure out why peptides are illegal. I guess they made ’em illegal in 2022. Not illegal, but against the rules

Andrew Hiller (05:47):

PC in 2021.

Hunter McIntyre (05:49):

They honestly probably made it illegal because they just don’t have the knowledge and the opportunity to do extensive research to find out what’s really going on. They just

Sevan Matossian (05:57):

Said dunno. That’s the reason. Justification, I don’t know. It’ll cost

Hunter McIntyre (06:01):

Them so much money. I can’t cure mean they probably could cure cancer, but they can’t cure cancer. When you

Andrew Hiller (06:07):

Say illegal, do you mean in sport or in federal? No, it’s You mean by

Sevan Matossian (06:14):

Illegal in sport is what I meant? Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (06:16):

No, they’re illegal in sport because they don’t want everyone using them.

Hunter McIntyre (06:19):

I know, but they don’t have the knowledge to really, I mean there’s probably certain kind of peptides that should be considered legal and then there’s certain kind of peptides that should be considered illegal.

Andrew Hiller (06:30):

Well, here’s the thing, if you take peptides and they work and they are legal and you’re competing against zevon, he has to take ’em now all of a sudden and they don’t want to do that. That’s the idea. I

Hunter McIntyre (06:40):

Know, but I’m talking about categorically. It’s like you taking, what are those shots you take when you have joint pain? It’s like a steroid shot. Why can’t I not come up with it? Cortisone. Cortisone. So if you took a cortisone shot, you can take that out of season, then you could take another kind of steroid shot, which is hormone based in the sense of muscular and anabolic growth rather than anti-inflammation growth. If they could take peptides and put a line down the middle and have some that are more for health-based rather than performance base, it probably would help a lot of people.

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

The reason they give on their websites Hiller is that they just haven’t done enough studies to know the effects. They don’t even say it helps you or it doesn’t help you. They don’t say that they want everyone taking it. Are you just saying that that’s your assessment of it? They don’t want one person taking it and getting an advantage.

Andrew Hiller (07:31):

I think that’s generally the assessment of most performance enhancers in sport is that, I mean, let’s just say that there are no negative side effects, which whether or not they do the studies on ’em, but testosterone is one where you’re playing with fire when people are stupid and if Hunter takes it and you don’t, he’s got a competitive advantage.

Hunter McIntyre (07:51):

It’s so funny, I’m literally, I was with my family yesterday and these are all non-athletes and they’re just like, hunter, you look so fit. Everyone’s like, let’s get on steroids, let’s start taking testosterone right now and get super buff. And then they sat there for a second and they’re like, so what happens if you start taking it and you don’t and then you stop taking it? The people in the buy hunter, they don’t know anything about this stuff. When you get on all this stuff. I don’t know about peptides, but once you get on this stuff, if you get off of it, there’s ramifications. What was the pendulum swing back when you got off of it?

Andrew Hiller (08:32):

I got so tired. That’s probably the biggest thing every day around one o’clock

Sevan Matossian (08:35):

Tired than you were before you got on it. Oh my

Andrew Hiller (08:37):

God. Did your

Hunter McIntyre (08:38):

Nipples get really soft and kind of milky?

Andrew Hiller (08:40):

No, they’re fine. Nipples are fine and that’s something that does happen with people. But the physique is okay. I lost a bunch of weight. I went from

Hunter McIntyre (08:49):

Did you start training more or did your tits just get more shapely because you had more hormones going through your system? You didn’t have tits like this before?

Andrew Hiller (08:58):

I used to be obsessed with the bench press through. I don’t know. I benched 300 at one 40 in high school body weight, which I thought was huge, but my chest never looked at until I started taking steroids.

Hunter McIntyre (09:10):

So your tits got better just from taking the hormones?

Andrew Hiller (09:13):

Yeah, way bigger. It was crazy. It’s weird.

Hunter McIntyre (09:16):

I’ve got amazing tits. My tits just keep on you can’t

Andrew Hiller (09:20):

The time bench.

Hunter McIntyre (09:21):

I got 2 95 the other day

Sevan Matossian (09:22):

I had three

Andrew Hiller (09:23):

Bench 300. I thought you

Hunter McIntyre (09:25):


Sevan Matossian (09:25):

Wide hunter. You have brought wide titties.

Hunter McIntyre (09:28):

Nice wide titties. I benched three 15 a couple years ago, but I was way, way bigger and now this size, this was a PR for me at 2 95 on

Sevan Matossian (09:43):

Bench. Let me say this, three and a half months ago or four months ago, whenever I took the cjc 1295, the one that’s supposed to help your human growth hormone, I took the bottle over 20 days. I felt great. People started complimenting my skin. My body felt great. I turned the dial back like five years. I never took any more and I feel great. I

Andrew Hiller (10:05):

Peptide and steroid. That’s why they’re great because you won’t have that. The bounce back that were talking about.

Hunter McIntyre (10:11):

I was really curious about this. How many people do you have watching this live right now? How many people are tuning in for Thanksgiving

Sevan Matossian (10:18):

One 40 right now?

Hunter McIntyre (10:20):

That’s not bad. That’s not bad. I thought myself, I was like, what’s going to really happen this morning is odd to man. I just got a compliment on my hog and I hope it’s not from a dude.

Sevan Matossian (10:30):

No, I think that’s

Andrew Hiller (10:31):

A chick.

Hunter McIntyre (10:33):


Andrew Hiller (10:34):

That’s totally a chick. See

Hunter McIntyre (10:36):

One of your super fans dms me all the time. Some pretty inappropriate shit.

Sevan Matossian (10:41):

Oh, that’s cool. Is it a girl?

Hunter McIntyre (10:44):


Sevan Matossian (10:45):

Someone said there was a questionnaire who had went in a fight between you and Chuck Norris. I beat

Hunter McIntyre (10:50):

The piss out of Chuck Norris. Lemme see here. Do you guys ever have crazy exes, create cell phone numbers and then text you from

Sevan Matossian (11:04):

It? No,

Hunter McIntyre (11:06):

I think some. I got one of those last night.

Andrew Hiller (11:08):

You say that as if it’s reoccurring?

Hunter McIntyre (11:11):

Oh yeah. It might all be the same

Andrew Hiller (11:13):

Mistakes making multiple phone numbers.

Sevan Matossian (11:17):

I want to talk about supplements today, by the way, because Andrew just did a thing. He bent first form over, but before I go to that Hunter

Andrew Hiller (11:26):

Lakes first form. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (11:28):

I want to hear Hunter have a discussion about how you pick what goes in them. But hey, this peptide thing, what do you think about someone who’s 5 8 400 pounds, right? And wants to get down to 180 5 and they’ve been that weight for

Andrew Hiller (11:50):


Sevan Matossian (11:51):

Pounds, let’s say for 10 years. Yeah. What do you say? If they’re overweight? Yeah. What do you think? They’re doubled their body weight. They should be, let’s say someone who’s double body weight, right? Super, super fat. Yeah. If I was two 70, I should be 135 pound little man.

Andrew Hiller (12:06):

I don’t know about that. I think you’re the right size, but continue.

Sevan Matossian (12:09):

Do you think that it’s okay to take, Andrew and I were having this discussion the other day. There’s a few peptides out there that’ll suppress your eating and I was thinking of all the things that I’ve seen out there. At a

Hunter McIntyre (12:25):

Certain point it’s a mental disorder. Dude, these people the same way. People overuse alcohol. They overuse food. Some people overuse sex. What

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

Do you think about taking something that suppresses your eating? Like this peptide called tze peptide. Hiller’s argument was great. Basically take it, take it for six weeks. Reduce your eating. You’ll realize that you need one third, the calories you’ve been taking, and then hopefully by the time those five or six weeks are up, you’ve built some new habits.

Hunter McIntyre (12:57):

Yeah, I think that’d be ideal. But you also have to recognize,

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

I used to smoke cigarettes to not eat. If I was hungry, but I didn’t think I should eat, I would just smoke a cigarette.

Hunter McIntyre (13:06):

God, I should get back to smoking cigarettes. That’s why I chew tobacco to lose weight.

Sevan Matossian (13:10):

Is it really? Is it just to press your appetite? You’ll put a chew in. Oh yeah. Yeah. See, there you go. Same thing. There you go. So it’s the same thing,

Hunter McIntyre (13:17):

Dude. I don’t know. I don’t have anything against it. I mean, listen, if you want to take an issue in your life to make it better do it, and whether it’s through peptides or actually taking care of yourself,

Andrew Hiller (13:30):

What if you do ’em together?

Hunter McIntyre (13:31):

I mean, that’d be

Sevan Matossian (13:32):

Great. The argument though that it’s cheating or that who

Hunter McIntyre (13:35):

Cares about cheating, dude? I mean everything in this world shouldn’t be measured. Everybody who’s actually doing really well in this world probably is cheating to a degree. And

Andrew Hiller (13:46):


Sevan Matossian (13:47):

That. What if we called it optimizing? What if we called it optimizing?

Hunter McIntyre (13:51):

I mean, it’s not optimizing. You’re a fat fuck who can’t take care of yourself. You got to stop.

Sevan Matossian (13:56):

But wait a second. If you drive yourself to, let’s say yesterday my mom drove herself to the ocean where there’s these steps and she ran the steps four times. That’s crazy. But is that cheating because she had to go out of her way to go over there and get it. So what’s the difference between calling or ordering this peptide, taking it for six weeks and having it reduced? How is that cheating? Because

Hunter McIntyre (14:16):

It’s like putting a plug. It’s like putting a plug into a leaky boat. It’s like you are sure banging up the hole and putting a cork in it, but in reality, you could just fix the boat. You could just create a system that you have a more stable base and you got to take care of yourself. And that’s why I’m sure a lot of us are in this industry. I originally got into training because I wanted to watch my body change, and then I got really inspired watching

Andrew Hiller (14:41):

Other, I’m going to fuck. Fuck up your analogy,

Hunter McIntyre (14:42):

Sorry. Yeah, but I’m saying I want to watch other people’s body change. So I wanted to become a trainer and then all of a sudden, that’s why I in love with this whole thing. But

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Ram, I have sex not to eat so I can sleep. Oh, sex does not work to avoid eating. That is ridiculous.

Hunter McIntyre (15:01):

I know a lot of fat people that have a lot of sex.

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

What were you going to, yeah, are you going to ask pound me or Hunter? If it’s Hunter go.

Andrew Hiller (15:07):

Hunter said it’s like putting a cork into a boat as it’s trying to overfill. But in this example, the people who have the overfilling, they have no idea what happens when you put a cork in the hole. These people who are 400 pounds, the ozempic or the whatever is kind of like a cork and they’re like, holy shit, if I plug this bitch, I’m not going to sink these people. I swear to God, hunter, you’re so fit. You don’t need it.

Sevan Matossian (15:33):

Yo, they get it, hunter,

Hunter McIntyre (15:38):

They yo-yo back so quickly though.

Andrew Hiller (15:41):

Yeah, but then all of sudden you take away just like it was before, it’s all their fault, but now they’re aware of it. Hey, he

Hunter McIntyre (15:47):

Should. I don’t think it makes them aware of it. I think it just, it’s a bandaid.

Sevan Matossian (15:52):

It bandaid smoking. When you stop using nicotine, you’re going to get fat hunter. So I had

Hunter McIntyre (15:56):

To go to that rehab and I was talking about this the other night. I had to go to rehab and so how I got out of one rehab to the next rehab, I was in the third rehab. Their whole basis was aa. And I remember I would sit there in the meetings and I’d be like, all right guys, I’m only 19 at the time. I’m like, listen, I’m not buying into this shit. I get that this is a cool club and you guys are very supportive of everything, but I want everyone to know that there’s a liquor store in every corner. There’s a party in every apartment building. And I was like, you guys cannot be carrying around these little coins in your pocket jingling around as your only security base. You have to recognize you’re going to have to create a foundation outside of this room that allows you to be responsible for your life. AA is not always going to be there for you. You have to be able to be self-contained. And they kicked me out of the fucking rehab.

Sevan Matossian (16:46):

Oh shit.

Hunter McIntyre (16:47):

Yeah, they kicked me out of the rehab. A 19 year old kid mansplaining it to some fucking adults. And these people didn’t even want to understand the own lie that they were living in.

Sevan Matossian (16:58):

Have a way to push back on that. No,

Hunter McIntyre (17:00):

They’re fucking idiots. I mean, they’re also charging $20,000 a month for you to be there, and as all of a sudden you just now destabilize this business because you show that it’s just a free entity that you go to with the Bible attached. I don’t have anything

Sevan Matossian (17:16):

Wrong with it. Did you get a free Bible?

Hunter McIntyre (17:18):

No. I’m just saying I don’t have anything wrong with aa, but I was just saying it’s the same exact thing with giving these people these ozempic or whatever the fuck it is. You’re just giving them a bandaid. Eventually. You need to teach these people. You can take a horse to water, but can you force it to drink kind of thing. If you just stuff a hose in their mouth full of ozempic, yeah, you’re going to cure the problem for the moment, but you’re not going to cure the issue forever.

Andrew Hiller (17:41):

Hey, how many alcoholics or drug addicts do you know that got off of the shit themselves? So you just said they need to figure it out. Someone needs to help them, but how many drug addict or

Sevan Matossian (17:54):

Alcoholics, nicotine on my own and it was fucking hard a few times.

Andrew Hiller (17:59):

So we have one of one right now.

Hunter McIntyre (18:01):

Listen, you’re asking, I don’t have data points on these things. I did it. I’m just

Andrew Hiller (18:06):

Saying they probably need help. Some people make it. I’m not saying they need help

Sevan Matossian (18:11):

And you’re also not against it. What you’re saying is you’re not against someone. What would you do if you were 400 pounds and there was the option to take Tze peptide and you’d been 400 pounds for 10 years? Would you do it to reduce the mechanism? The mechanism is it makes you less hungry. I’ll

Hunter McIntyre (18:28):

Just give you an example. I have a championship next week in Stockholm. Well, you’ll

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

Do it. You take nicotine. Yeah,

Hunter McIntyre (18:34):

But I’ve got a championship next week coming up in Stockholm. And what I did was knowing that today it was today, I woke up immediately, went out and did a 10 mile run before anybody else woke up and fucked with my day. And then instead of buying, I know I’m probably going to have a little bit of booze, but I went out and bought a bunch of non-alcoholic beers so I don’t have to get super drunk. I have to be on a flight tomorrow flying to Europe, and I made sure that I’m going to front load the day and have some donuts and I’m drinking real beer right now, by the way. And I’m You are.

Sevan Matossian (19:03):

What’s real beer? What’s real beer? Well,

Hunter McIntyre (19:05):

There’s alcohol in it. I bought non-alcoholic beers for later on in the day.

Andrew Hiller (19:09):

Why? What time is it?

Hunter McIntyre (19:11):

It’s 9:00 AM

Andrew Hiller (19:12):

Why are you drinking real beer at 9:00 AM

Hunter McIntyre (19:14):

This is a McIntyre agenda here. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (19:19):

I don’t think I’ve ever had a beer before noon.

Hunter McIntyre (19:22):

I set my day up so that I don’t have to create this mess of my life, but I can still partake in what everything’s going on. But you just have to be measured and monitored as an adult. If you’re going to get through this world without being a fat person or having other issues and you have to just create a system. It’s Thanksgiving. I’m going to participate in absolutely everything, but because I’m the person where my only person in this family where my body really matters, what’s going to happen? Like my results, it’s very physically driven. I have to be measured. And if you’re fat, you have to do the same thing. Hector,

Sevan Matossian (19:56):

Hector Trta. I would do the peptides now that I know about training and nutrition, I’ve lost 125 pounds myself. No corners cut. Yeah.

Hunter McIntyre (20:05):

I own a supplement company and I’ll be totally honest, you guys could probably invest $200 into testosterone or peptides every single month and it would be more valuable than taking all of my supplements

Andrew Hiller (20:17):

A hundred percent.

Hunter McIntyre (20:18):

And I’m not

Sevan Matossian (20:20):

Going valuable. The metric, let’s be clear here. The metric you’re talking about is aesthetic performance. If you

Hunter McIntyre (20:27):

Were going to take my strength X two product, which is our bodybuilding gym-based lifting weights product, and it could give you also really awesome bonus or that’s going to cost you $50 a month and it’ll probably increase your performance by maybe five to 10% potentially if you took it and really put work in. Or you could take testosterone every single month and the likelihood of you getting a 20 to 40% increase of performance is drastically higher. I mean, is there more kickback in case you do it and properly? Yes, because it is a hormone. But would I say

Sevan Matossian (21:09):

It be way more kickback drinking? So before I was working out, I was taking 300 milligrams of caffeine. I stopped that for a week and I felt like shit every time I worked out. But after a week, I’m back to normal and I feel fucking great working out again and all my shit’s back up to normal. You’re taking

Hunter McIntyre (21:27):


Sevan Matossian (21:28):

No, I stopped taking caffeine, but I adjusted quickly within a week. If you stop taking testosterone, you’re not adjusting back in a week. The gains that you get from taking that stuff also has consequences. Right.

Hunter McIntyre (21:39):

Dan career just asked if I have friends in high school. Shut up four eyes.

Sevan Matossian (21:43):

No, put you in the

Hunter McIntyre (21:44):


Sevan Matossian (21:45):

He did not.

Hunter McIntyre (21:46):

No. I had a lot of friends. I was with a lot of girlfriends. It’s good life more. I lost two

Sevan Matossian (21:50):

More pounds and I dropped my bitch bitch. Snap. Snap.

Hunter McIntyre (21:59):

Yeah, but dude, that’s the difference. You could put one needle in yourself or you could be like me, where I literally have to walk around with pills and bottles everywhere I go. Or I could take testosterone and I would whoop everyone’s ass even harder than I do.

Sevan Matossian (22:14):

How many supplements does your company sell?

Hunter McIntyre (22:16):

We sell three.

Sevan Matossian (22:18):

And basically Hiller did a video the other day saying that first form has way too many fucking ingredients in their shit and they got ingredients in there that shouldn’t be in there. Well,

Andrew Hiller (22:30):

Hold up. Let’s be clear about that because I was actually talking to Alexis and she thought the same thing and I go, I got no issue with what they have in their products. I have issue with them saying that their products are the cleanest and the best products, yet it’s very easy to prove that they are not because there are all this shit in there. Well, dude, if you look at most, it’s actually what Hunter just said. Hunter just said testosterone will go far and beyond what my stuff gives you, but this company would say, Hey, we can compete with testosterone because we’re so fucking great. It’s like, no, you’re not,

Hunter McIntyre (23:01):

Dude. If you look at all my products, there’s about

Sevan Matossian (23:05):

Your company, there’s

Hunter McIntyre (23:06):

About two ingredients in every product that we make. Yeah, right? Yeah. Builder sports. Because in reality, what I got really sick of is I was working for all these brands and all of a sudden on the back of the bottle it’d say Proprietary blend and it would have 1800 milligrams of just non-measurable ingredients in there. And just one scoop of my hydration product has five times as much volume as that. And so you’re just getting bullshit serving sizes and you’re getting bullshit products inside of there. And

Andrew Hiller (23:38):

I don’t know, the serving sizes are wild.

Hunter McIntyre (23:40):

Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s crazy.

Andrew Hiller (23:41):

Take a scoop of pre-workout from 10 years ago. That thing is four times as big as the one present day. I know. I know. I know. And it’s fucking nuts that people already knew

Hunter McIntyre (23:48):

You remember? No. Explode. It was like a half dollar size scoop and

Andrew Hiller (23:53):

It inches

Hunter McIntyre (23:54):

Deep. You’re like,

Andrew Hiller (23:56):

That’s a nice picture.

Sevan Matossian (23:57):

Is this you on Tinder? Is that what Tinder looks like?

Hunter McIntyre (24:01):

Yeah. That was just my media team making that. They’re

Andrew Hiller (24:04):

Clever. That’s good. I like that.

Sevan Matossian (24:05):

But is that really what Tinder looks like?

Hunter McIntyre (24:08):

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (24:09):


Andrew Hiller (24:10):


Hunter McIntyre (24:11):

Go to,

Sevan Matossian (24:12):

Wow. No, no. Hold on. I want to look at, yeah. Oh yeah.

Hunter McIntyre (24:17):

Go to my page and you get to see the commercials we’ve been making for Black Friday. They’re six.

Andrew Hiller (24:21):

Hey man, I went to your YouTube. I was watching that video and just randomly, there’s an ad for your company and I died because you’re running around in that thong and I don’t remember the word you were saying. That’s very nice or something. That’s nice.

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

I actually was going to post that, but Heart and Soul is dedicated to Wolverine, so I didn’t Hey, hunter. So this is you looking at a chick and you’re like, not so much. And then a dude with a mask on. It’s you, right?

Hunter McIntyre (24:50):

That’s me. We made a nacho libre ad.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

God, that is so amazing, dude. Yeah,

Hunter McIntyre (24:56):

Dude, it’s so much fun. Go over to my page and you’ll see the ad that we made with me and my underpants.

Andrew Hiller (25:02):

Oh, it was great.

Sevan Matossian (25:03):

God, it’s so good. Hillary and I talked about it. It’s fucking amazing.

Andrew Hiller (25:06):

I was watching one of your videos. I don’t know what you were doing, but then it just popped up. I think we’re pushing a sled right outside your storage unit.

Hunter McIntyre (25:15):

Go to that one on the left. Yeah, that’s it. Yeah. If you guys want

Sevan Matossian (25:17):

To sit

Andrew Hiller (25:18):

One. Yeah. On the top right.

Sevan Matossian (25:24):


Andrew Hiller (25:25):

Nice. That’s what you were saying. Nice.

Sevan Matossian (25:31):

Great audio.

Hunter McIntyre (25:43):


Sevan Matossian (25:44):

I like the strap,

Andrew Hiller (25:46):

The bulk.

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

I have one of those.

Hunter McIntyre (25:55):

Nice. Tell who? Nice. Jesus Christ. Jesus

Sevan Matossian (26:05):

Crying, man. Oh my goodness. Oh, we can’t do it is just nonsense. It can’t be. It can’t be. Come on.

Hunter McIntyre (26:14):

We just didn’t want to be like any other brand where they’re just screaming percentages off for you guys.

Sevan Matossian (26:23):

What’s this dude’s name? This dude have an ego. This

Hunter McIntyre (26:27):


Hunter McIntyre (26:31):


Hunter McIntyre (26:31):

Today we are going

Sevan Matossian (26:32):

To, would you ever have sex with a girl and staying character the whole time as someone else besides yourself?

Hunter McIntyre (26:38):

I do often.

Sevan Matossian (26:39):

You do?

Hunter McIntyre (26:41):

I’m all business, dude.

Andrew Hiller (26:42):

Alright. All right. Do chef boy or dude this time, man? Yeah, I guess she probably wouldn’t call you man, but you know what I mean.

Hunter McIntyre (26:49):

Yeah, that’s good dude. That’s good. Captain

Sevan Matossian (26:52):

Rogers caffeine and high doses is great for nursing mothers. So it says the champ.

Hunter McIntyre (26:57):

Who is that?

Andrew Hiller (26:58):

That’s Chris Evans. Captain America. Captain Rogers.

Hunter McIntyre (27:03):

What happened? Didn’t you say you were having another guy on the show again?

Sevan Matossian (27:07):

Do you have any feelings about first form?

Hunter McIntyre (27:09):

I think they’re an incredible business. You can’t, I don’t know,

Andrew Hiller (27:14):

Multilevel marketing and all that.

Hunter McIntyre (27:17):

Whatever, man. You can’t hate on people until you’ve owned a business and you’re really just pushing at that level. You can’t really appreciate the amount of hustle and grind that goes into growing something to that size.

Sevan Matossian (27:29):

What do you think about lying? What do you think about saying that it has the finest products when Hiller can go on and just look like in 10 minutes and be like, no, you actually have the opposite of the finest products. You have filler and it’s not the best.

Hunter McIntyre (27:41):

Yeah, but dude, what’s your true definition of the finest products? You also have to just think that some people just want the flavor and the presence and the marketing and the feel of being disa,

Andrew Hiller (27:51):

Disassociate company. Say that. Say that,

Sevan Matossian (27:53):

Right? Yeah. Why not say that

Andrew Hiller (27:55):

Our products taste better than everyone else’s and we think they’re the best. Not they’re the best. When I put my name on it,

Hunter McIntyre (28:03):

Everything that we’re associated with in this world, politics, lifestyle, brands, whatever the heck it is, it is just shades of marketing. It’s all a game and these guys are killing it. They’re worth billions of dollars. And you may not like the fact that their ingredients are a couple milligrams off of what you’d depreciate, but they’re not going to problem. No,

Andrew Hiller (28:22):

No, no, no, no, no. Not what I’d appreciate what they say.

Hunter McIntyre (28:27):


Andrew Hiller (28:27):

I would, why is this so hard for everyone to understand?

Hunter McIntyre (28:30):

Listen, I’m just telling you right now. Hey man, I

Andrew Hiller (28:32):

Just benched 400

Hunter McIntyre (28:33):

Pounds. You frustration is not hurting anybody except for yourself. These people are still going to keep on buying the products and still keep on enjoying the process, not saying

Sevan Matossian (28:44):

The product. It’s frustrations with you. Mr. Red. I’m

Andrew Hiller (28:46):

Frustrated with you. I’m telling

Hunter McIntyre (28:47):

You guys

Andrew Hiller (28:48):

Right now ago and Alexis yesterday. I’m like, why don’t you know what I’m saying?

Hunter McIntyre (28:52):

I listen. I have my own supplement company and I handle it differently, but I will say from somebody who just appreciates business, they’re doing great.

Andrew Hiller (29:01):

Yeah. That cannot be argued.

Hunter McIntyre (29:04):

I went to their headquarters. It’s fucking crazy. I could try to throw a football across it and it would take me six times.

Sevan Matossian (29:10):

No shit. So they’re doing well.

Hunter McIntyre (29:13):

It’s fucking crazy.

Andrew Hiller (29:15):

Big separate throws.

Hunter McIntyre (29:16):

They were building a building across the way at the time, which probably is done by now.

Andrew Hiller (29:21):

I bet you suck at throwing a football.

Hunter McIntyre (29:23):

No, dude. I’m telling you, it is so crazy big.

Andrew Hiller (29:27):

How far can you throw a football?

Hunter McIntyre (29:29):

Probably 70 yards.

Andrew Hiller (29:30):

That’s no shut. And I don’t believe you were the shit,

Hunter McIntyre (29:33):

Dude. I used to throw javelin. I was a weapon. I was a weapon.

Andrew Hiller (29:36):

Fuck man. What? I’d love to see you throw javelin. Let’s start with what you’re not good at and we can

Hunter McIntyre (29:40):

Start bench press. I ended up getting into javelin. I think I’ve told you guys this a bunch of times, but my grandfather was a track and field guy, so then he used to have me train and throw with an old world record holder. This guy named Tom Petron off. You guys should have him on the show sometime. The dude’s a fucking beefy weapon. Oh, I had that guy, Jason, on the show.

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