Greg Glassman #9 | Ft. Joe Westerlin

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam, we’re live. Check, check. Can you guys hear me? I switched my mic last night. Hopefully I can get the phone to work. And this microphone and the headset all simultaneously. Good morning, Fannie. Good morning, Eric. Good morning, OMA. Audrey. Hi. Bam. Audrey’s ready. That’s all that matters. Sure can. Alright, awesome. Thank you David. This morning we have Greg Glassman coming in. In a couple minutes, maybe a couple seconds. Steve. What’s up dude? And then at seven 30 we have Joe Westerland coming in. I haven’t talked to Joe in forever, forever, forever. Forever. He’ll be hanging out with Greg and I today, former, probably a flow master over at CrossFit. Maybe he still is a flow master. I don’t even know that’s how long it’s, I’ve talked to him. Greg was asking me last night, are you going to do a pre-interview with him? I said, no, I’m on vacation. I don’t really do,

Sevan Matossian (01:01):


Sevan Matossian (01:03):

Do want to share something with you guys. Hey, good morning. You guys know I grew up in the Bay Area. I love all the crazy shit. I love 20 foot tall marijuana plants. I don’t mind crazy party. I don’t mind nudity. I don’t mind drinking. I don’t mind all, any crazy shit adults want to do. I’m cool with. As long as it doesn’t hurt other people. I love the love fest that they do in the middle of San Francisco. I’m pretty much cool with everything as long as it doesn’t hurt other people like pooping on the sidewalk. I think that hurts other people. I don’t like that. Even if you’re an adult, I don’t like it. And introducing kids to drugs and adult type of ideas, I don’t like that either. I want to show you something. When Caleb was on here the other morning, we were talking, I was talking about these tranny reading hours for kids where you take your kids to the library, you bring your child to the library and then transvestites read to them. And I don’t like it at all. I don’t like it at all. I don’t like bringing your kids to men who have an unquenchable desire to hang out with little kids. I don’t like it.


And I want to read you some of the responses and show you how off people are, how confused people are. So this person writes, maybe you could have an actual conversation about this. Once you learn the difference between a trans person and a drag queen. Oh, Nellie, maybe we’ll come back to this. That’s like me telling you, Hey, lawnmowers are dangerous. Don’t flip them upside down and touch them. And you telling me that’s not a lawnmower, it’s a blender. And I’m like, okay, fine. You win still don’t put your hand in it. I don’t really care what the can win that all day long. I think putting your hands in things with spinning blades is a bad idea. Hi Greg.

Greg Glassman (03:10):

Sir, what’s up? Good morning. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (03:13):

Let me see. I think maybe my headsets, oh shoot. Here we go. That is that better for everyone? Can you hear me better, Greg? Oh, it is. Okay. It’s

Greg Glassman (03:25):

A little louder.

Sevan Matossian (03:26):

Okay. I switched to this microphone. I set up all my stuff in Newport Beach. So this is kind of a test run. I tested it last night, but then I had to make some tweaks to it.

Greg Glassman (03:37):

Tweak it. Looks good, bud.

Sevan Matossian (03:39):

Thanks. I’m just pushed up in a kitchen here up against a white wall. I was talking about the reading hours that they have at libraries and I like the idea, I like the of an AM Lady, the Amish Lady Reading Hour, you know what I mean? Where she comes, why can’t they have that one? Can that be they have the transvestite reading hour, then the Amish Lady Reading Hour and then maybe, I don’t know. Why does it have to be something crazy? Why can’t they just have a simple reading hour, regular person reading, boring old lady reads to your kids’ hour. You know what I mean? Retired physician reading hour. I want it. I’m good with it.

Greg Glassman (04:38):

It’s all grooming.

Sevan Matossian (04:43):

Why aren’t there any women doing that? Why aren’t there any women dressing up as weird characters and going, why is it all dudes?

Greg Glassman (04:49):

Well, that picture you showed me, that is a woman.

Sevan Matossian (04:52):

Right? Alright. All right. Eric Weiss, the hot librarian reading Hour. Yeah, totally. Superfit mom Reading hour. They just harvest them from CrossFit gyms across the country. Hey dude, how about our Buddy Travis’s son?

Greg Glassman (05:15):

It’s amazing. Yeah. Truly a beautiful thing to watch a father’s son crazy dream just come true.

Sevan Matossian (05:26):

It’s like a one in a gazillion, right? Even the root they took.

Greg Glassman (05:32):

It’s unprecedented.

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

Have you shared this story with any people? Have you been like, dude, you got this puff buddy who’s obsessed with his kid playing football since he’s been Yeah,

Greg Glassman (05:45):

With strangers, but I don’t know. I think you have to know the guy

Sevan Matossian (05:54):

Because it’s so far out. It’s almost impossible to share.

Greg Glassman (05:58):

This kid was telling me that his four year old son was going to be in the N F L. I’m like, fantastic. That’s fucking great. And here we’re the fuckers in the N F L. I mean, I never thought no way, but I was like, but here’s my thing. It’s the trainer in me. I took a sports psychology class once, and the woman up in front, everyone said that one of the critical features of a goal is it’d be achievable, attainable. And I was like, oh, well, excuse me. Bullshit. That’s just not patently not true.

Sevan Matossian (06:34):

Greg, I want to tell you something. Your teacher hated you.

Greg Glassman (06:37):

All my teachers hated me,

Sevan Matossian (06:38):


Greg Glassman (06:42):

I said, there’s 4 million girls with posters of Mary Lou Retin above the bed right now dreaming of being her. And it’s a pipe dream. They have no fucking chance, but maybe three or four of them that doesn’t matter. There’s no point in differentiating between those that will get there and those that are inspired by it and learn. And I’ll just take my case in point, I was a good gymnastic, far from great, but a good one. I knew a lot of great ones. I took more from the sport than the great ones. I got more out of fucking gymnastics than, I don’t even want to say the name, but legends. Legends got medals around their necks and shit, right on the Wheaties box. I got more out of the sport than they did.

Sevan Matossian (07:24):

What you’re saying is you took your lessons and the difficulties and trials of gymnastics and parlayed them into you took them with you throughout your entire career, which led you to

Greg Glassman (07:36):


Sevan Matossian (07:37):

A coffee shop, right? In the CrossFit journal,

Greg Glassman (07:40):

Patterns for success in any endeavor

Sevan Matossian (07:44):

Across all patterns

Greg Glassman (07:47):

And paradigms maybe. And so that’s what caused me in 95 to write that piece. That was, I think front page, Santa Cruz Sentinel about patterns of success are most easily taught and absorbed in the physical province. And that’s what I got at gymnastics. And by the way, there’s, there’s a book called Rings is about gymnastics and about ring men and ring people and it’s fascinating, but

Sevan Matossian (08:20):

New book or old book,

Greg Glassman (08:23):

I’ve had it 15, 20 years, so I don’t remember when it was written, but it’s timeless in substance. But there’s a considerable effort dedicated to the personality of a gymnast and to a ringman to some extent. And it all resonated with me.

Sevan Matossian (08:42):

Do you know the author? Is it called Gymnastic Rings Workout Handbook? I doubt it’s that,

Greg Glassman (08:46):

Right? It’s a blue book. It sits right behind me at one of the fucking places I live.

Sevan Matossian (08:56):


Greg Glassman (08:56):

It’s not an easy hold of, but it is. Hey

Sevan Matossian (08:59):

Listen, A million of you guys are going to ask me about that book. I know it. As soon as someone finds a link, text it to me or DMM it to me so I can put it up there. Every time Greg mentions a book, I get my dms filled with, Hey, I need that book.

Greg Glassman (09:11):

I’ll deliver on that with an I S B N number.

Sevan Matossian (09:14):

Okay, cool. I want to go back to Travis.

Greg Glassman (09:19):

I’m going to Scottsdale today and I think it sits in the bookcase there in my office.

Sevan Matossian (09:22):

You are going there by air or by land

Greg Glassman (09:26):

Flying tomorrow going to Santa Cruz.

Sevan Matossian (09:33):

How long are you going to be in Santa Cruz?

Greg Glassman (09:35):

Briefly. I’m just rounding up stuff for this European junket awaiting me.

Sevan Matossian (09:41):

Oh, okay. Okay. You’re freaking me out. I’m not in Santa Cruz. Are you staying the night in Santa Cruz?

Greg Glassman (09:46):

Yeah, but just the night back to the kids and getting ready to for what’s next.

Sevan Matossian (09:53):

So you’re going to make a circle. You’re going to go Scottsdale, California. Idaho.

Greg Glassman (09:59):


Sevan Matossian (10:02):

Hey, going back to the dreaming thing, it’s kind of like, do you think that that’s a good litmus test for a dream? I’m just going to make this bullshit up, but if 51% of the people don’t say your dream’s impossible or bullshit or look at you sideways, then it’s not really a good dream. Like, Hey, I’m going to go to space.

Greg Glassman (10:19):

I was talking with Pilot Mikey the other day in a chat, and I told him that when these dreams come true, you look at people that achieved inordinate success in any province and it looks along the way, like they’re doing everything the hard way, not towards that success, but the frustration and the sacrifices. And you look at it, and this is all consistent with Travis saying, all you have to do is make your kid do CrossFit and don’t give him an iPhone and he’ll be the best kid in the fucking state that isn’t an accidental part of Tyson’s thrusting himself into the N F L and being accepted where no one was looking. It’s a wonderful thing. It’s a wonderful thing.

Sevan Matossian (11:18):

Another thing he went through is the family was frustrated with Travis and this part I relate to that he didn’t go out and get a job at Starbucks so that he could get insurance for his family and have a regular nine to five and be putting food on his family’s table. And he insisted on taking the odd jobs here and there, trying to make money, winning arm wrestling competitions, throwing arm wrestling competitions so that he could teach his kid every single year, football, baseball, basketball, you know what I mean? He wanted to be the coach of his kid. He put that up as a premium and he got a lot of shit for that. A lot of shit. It was frowned upon that he chose that path to raise his child as opposed to go out and get the job that has health insurance. It’s cool. I like it. It’s risky.

Greg Glassman (12:10):

My father, I’ve shared this with you before and I think on air, but my father said that his greatest surprise as an old man is that he was best known for being the father of his son. That that’s the greatest surprise in his life. You watch someone tinkering on something in the corner for 15 years where you see the fruit of it and then all of a sudden there it is. It’s like Billy Blank’s going door to door, trying to sell Taibo for 20 years, and then within a five year period, he makes $500 million off the fucking thing. And it was a overnight success,

Sevan Matossian (12:55):


Greg Glassman (12:57):

Overnight success. Think of how good you get. It’s like on your Mormon mission, knocking on doors, delivering a message nobody wants to hear. You can develop some people skills if you stay at that, right?

Sevan Matossian (13:14):

Yep, yep, yep, yep. This dude comes up to me yesterday at a gas station in the middle of nowhere, I dunno, 23 year old kid, cornrows, impeccable posture, really well built, thin, thin, but really buff up top, you know what I mean? Looked like 100 meter sprinter type. And he says, Hey, do you have any money? And I’m filling up my gas and I said, what for? He said, I’m stuck here and I want to eat and I don’t have any way out, and he looks all clean and shit. I’m like, oh. And I’m like, no, I don’t. He’s like, all right, he’s all cool. He goes, have a good day, and he won’t come close to my car. He stays like 10 feet away respecting my space. And I’m like, alright, cool dude. And he’s like, cool. And then he said, have a nice day or something. As he walked away, I’m like, Hey, you work out? And he goes, no. And I go, do you wrestle? And he goes, no, I fought a lot on the streets. I’m like, oh, you’re all buffing stuff. He looked all jacked and he’s like, yeah. He’s like, I don’t need a lot. And I stay in good shape, but I did have to fight a lot as a kid. And then we started talking and I ended up giving him 20 bucks, which was so great.

Greg Glassman (14:24):

I was going to ask five, 10, or 20.

Sevan Matossian (14:27):

I was so uncharacteristic of me, but I just loved his, I loved the space he gave me when he asked for the money. Do you know what I mean? Didn’t come close to my car as he walked away, he said, beautiful family. It was a trip. It was so uncharacteristic of me because I would rather reward the street musician even if I don’t like his music. You know what I mean?

Greg Glassman (14:52):

I had a guy get off a bicycle at a Del Taco with a hoodie on hood up and a mask on, hands in his pocket, look around hard and start walking over to my truck.

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

Oh geez.

Greg Glassman (15:14):

And I just couldn’t put a good vibe on it, nothing felt right. So about 10, 15 feet back as he’s coming and he keeps looking around, right? So him, dude, you need to stop right there.

Sevan Matossian (15:32):

You said that to him,

Greg Glassman (15:35):

And he did. He seriously needed to stop, and he looked at me and he looked around again and he walked back to his perch. I don’t know what it was, but the look around is everything.

Sevan Matossian (15:58):

When I drove away from the gas station too, I was at a stoplight and he’s on the sidewalk and I look over at him and he sees me and he waves just like it was crazy.

Greg Glassman (16:11):

Same guy. Hood off, hands out

Sevan Matossian (16:14):

From 15

Greg Glassman (16:14):

Feet away, dying for a fucking taco man.

Sevan Matossian (16:18):

Right? Right.

Greg Glassman (16:20):

Handed him 20 bucks.

Sevan Matossian (16:22):

Right? Right. Hey, it didn’t sound like it sounded like you made the right decision.

Greg Glassman (16:28):


Sevan Matossian (16:30):

Overnight. Overnight. A lot of people probably said to Tyson, Hey, your dad was the world’s greatest arm wrestler is the world’s greatest arm wrestler. Oh, I saw your dad on tv. Oh, your dad was in that movie. Oh, and overnight. Now it is going to become like that for Travis. His giant star is now going to become probably a tiny star and he’s going to be, oh, you’re Tyson Bain’s dad. Right. Just kind of like what your dad was saying overnight.

Greg Glassman (16:56):

Yeah. He’s super proud and he ought to

Sevan Matossian (16:59):

Be’s Crazy proud. Hey, another thing that’s interesting about that path is it could have just been over, it could have been an entire lifetime of work, 20 years of just nonstop work by Tyson be wins. The Harlan Trophy, the division two biggest award gets the title for most touchdown passes in NCAA history across all divisions. And then it could have been over just over

Greg Glassman (17:27):

All you parents out there, just consider sending your kid off to a small unknown school. And his first year out of college, he gets a job at 1.4 million a year.

Sevan Matossian (17:38):


Greg Glassman (17:39):

Yeah. How’s that for, does he have student loan debt?

Sevan Matossian (17:45):

Not any, no. That’s why he chose that college. It was right the street from his house. Yeah.


I knew having him on obviously was going to bring eyeballs to the podcast, and already someone this morning is like, look, one of Chicago’s biggest sports writers is quoting Tyson and giving you credit from your podcast yesterday. So I sent that to Tyson. I said, oh shit, you’re going to make me famous. I’m so excited. So excited for him. That’s another thing, by the way, at 51, I’m more excited someone else than I could ever be for myself. You know what I mean? I’m giddy. I was speaking to Dave yesterday about it, and he goes, God, you act like it’s your son. And I do. I feel like that. I dunno why, I guess because we love Travis. For people who don’t know, I’ve traveled the world with Travis and Greg. We spent basically a couple years inseparable the three of us. So that’s why Greg knows so much about Travis and I do are just stories flooding your brain. Yeah. Yeah.

Greg Glassman (19:03):

That’s one of a kind.

Sevan Matossian (19:08):

Jan Clark, he’s a genius. Yeah, he is. I agree. I agree. A great thinker, right?

Greg Glassman (19:21):

He’s a West Virginia hillbilly philosopher.

Sevan Matossian (19:25):

Yeah. Practical and logic. Logical. Yeah. Extremely practical. He’s

Greg Glassman (19:34):

All the bravado and machismo and there’s really not a lot of ego there,

Sevan Matossian (19:40):

Right? Right.

Greg Glassman (19:42):

He’s a beautiful person. He’s a dear friend. I enjoy the hell out of him. I was talking to John Kramer yesterday. I’m willing to fire up the plane and go to a Bears game.

Sevan Matossian (19:55):

Oh shit. Holy shit. Yeah.

Greg Glassman (20:00):

Hey, and this is from a guy didn’t tell you the significance of it. Dave and I were invited by the Raiders owners to travel with him to the Super Bowl, and I was like, oh fuck, I got something going. We did a no-show. I’d been to the Super Bowl the year before and hated it with you,

Sevan Matossian (20:23):

Greg. Remember I

Greg Glassman (20:24):

Almost slid into the

Sevan Matossian (20:27):

Dude. We go out to Dallas for the Super Bowl. It was the second quarter, and I’m like, Greg, the game started. He’s like, oh, we better get over there. We get there at halftime to the Super Bowl. This is the first game, I think it was at Dallas Stadium. It was the first unveiling of it, I think, or something. And then we made it through the halftime show and

Greg Glassman (20:50):

What the whole thing in disarray, they had to remove a whole bunch of seats

Sevan Matossian (20:56):

To make smaller seats to get more people in there. Right.

Greg Glassman (20:59):

And we sat near Snoop Dogg, remember?

Sevan Matossian (21:01):

Yeah. Yeah. And then were there. We see the halftime. We get there late. We get there for the halftime show. Then we’re about three minutes into the third quarter, and Greg looks at me and goes Ready to go get sushi. I’m like, totally. We left. That was crazy.

Greg Glassman (21:16):

What was weird? There were a hundred thousand people there, and I think 95,000 were watching the TV monitors.

Sevan Matossian (21:22):

I was, no matter how hard, I tried to tell myself to watch the field, I couldn’t.

Greg Glassman (21:26):

Everyone was, there were people in the 10th row looking up at the screen and it was cold.

Sevan Matossian (21:36):

Yeah, it was cold and rainy. Right? It was rainy or sleety or something.

Greg Glassman (21:41):

Yeah. We had to park a Jillian miles away and walk. And

Sevan Matossian (21:46):

Jan Clark from the uk Thank you from I’m here to remind you about Jake’s question about statins for his dad. How can Jake convince him otherwise? He’s 65 and healthy. Oh, the old statins written their head again.

Greg Glassman (22:01):

Yeah. There’s a book written on that, the big blue book. And it’s funny, I should be better with the title I wrote The Forward, but to the latest edition,

Sevan Matossian (22:15):

Who’s the author?

Greg Glassman (22:18):

It’s an anthology, if you will, and Paul Roche put it together, and it’s that big blue book, and it has the delicious title of, I dunno, cholesterol is not the Problem, and Statins not the Cure or something to that effect.

Sevan Matossian (22:42):

Oh, fat and Cholesterol don’t cause heart attacks. Statins are not the solution. Well, that’s a mouthful.

Greg Glassman (22:48):

Who’s the author?

Sevan Matossian (22:50):

Paul Roche?

Greg Glassman (22:52):

Yeah. That’s the book and it is

Sevan Matossian (22:54):


Greg Glassman (22:54):

Latest version of that. And Lipid lunacy is the current version of that, but here’s a book. Yeah. You just purchased that in 2018 sev, but

Sevan Matossian (23:09):

Is that what it says on there?

Greg Glassman (23:11):


Sevan Matossian (23:13):

Oh yeah.

Greg Glassman (23:16):

Yeah. This is some history for us. Logically, it’s a dead issue. Statins are a scam. The logic of it, complete and utter fraud, and I think that book exposes it perfectly.

Sevan Matossian (23:41):

Did we have anyone come to HQ who spoke specifically on the statin fraud? I believe we did.

Greg Glassman (23:46):

Yes. Several.

Sevan Matossian (23:47):

Is there any video that anyone in particular, and I could somehow get people a link to it?

Greg Glassman (23:53):

Yeah, the CrossFit Health Seminars are full of this stuff. David Diamond, Paul Roche. You remember Paul Roche speaking in our lunchroom at hq?

Sevan Matossian (24:03):

Yeah. He brought his granddaughter or something, right?

Greg Glassman (24:06):


Sevan Matossian (24:07):

He passed. Right?

Greg Glassman (24:08):

He passed away shortly after that. He was in his nineties. Fred Crume row is in this book, I would say there’s been so many great minds that have dedicated their lives to telling the truth about metabolic derangement and heart disease, and all of it’s gone. Fundamentally nowhere made some really good friends all around the world.

Sevan Matossian (24:37):

What’s the statin study that’s in Wikipedia that’s just riddled with errors? They basically took the wrong information from it. The big study. Do you know which I’m talking about?

Greg Glassman (24:50):

Yeah. It’s not a stat thing. I’m not sure what you’re referring to, and I don’t want to run down the wrong road,

Sevan Matossian (24:57):

Wasn’t there?

Greg Glassman (24:58):

But look at the material that CrossFit published in 2019 on Harvard Nurses and Framingham.

Sevan Matossian (25:11):

Oh, Framingham. The Framingham study. Yes.

Greg Glassman (25:14):

You’re going there. You need to go no further than Ufi Ravens on that. The cholesterol myths.


You can buy that book from Amazon or you can just get it online. Dig around. The Cholesterol Myths website contains the 12 myths and each of those, it’s an odd site because it’s way more active, you’d realize, but you start mouthing over things and they’re hot and click on it and you can get to the entirety of the book and all of his notes and references, and it’s a masterwork. The response from the enemy to ufi Skov and Cholesterol Miss was to completely and totally ignore it. There’s no criticisms. There’s no challenge. But he had it figured out. Yeah. Ufi Ravens, another one of our PhD MD friends. Hey Guy. Smart enough to know things that others don’t see, and then brave enough amongst those that are smart enough to say something. There’s a lot of people that understand the underlying realities and know better than to say anything about it.

Sevan Matossian (26:36):

The cholesterol myths exposing the fallacy and saturated the fallacy that saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease.

Greg Glassman (26:43):

I asked a friend in a text who’s a prominent cardiologist at a major university, if he’d been seeing an increase in mortality amongst young people. And you know what the response I got was

Sevan Matossian (27:02):


Greg Glassman (27:03):

Nothing. Just empty text. And I’m like, gotcha. Oh, fuck. Yeah. It could cost you your job.

Sevan Matossian (27:14):


Greg Glassman (27:15):

And if there was no, you’d say no. What makes you silent?

Sevan Matossian (27:22):


Sevan Matossian (27:23):

Just saw the nation’s best high school basketball player died of cardiac arrest. 17 year old kid.

Greg Glassman (27:30):

I think he was top five.

Sevan Matossian (27:32):

Okay, fine. Top five. Make top 100. Either way, it’s just crazy

Greg Glassman (27:38):


Sevan Matossian (27:40):

Jason Watkins, please go to vindicate to buy your Travis Mayer shirt. Yeah, no problem. You filthy Animal. Sevan and Greg, I apologize for interruption and pandering, buddy. For five bucks. You can interrupt and pander all you want. Good to see you here.

Greg Glassman (27:55):

Who’s Travis Mayer?

Sevan Matossian (27:57):

That’s the guy. He owns an affiliate in. God, I don’t even, Georgia. And he’s a games athlete and he’s a father of four and a good dude. Been on the podcast shitload of times. Just a good dude.

Greg Glassman (28:15):

Do I know him?

Sevan Matossian (28:16):

I’m sure if you see him, you would recognize him. He’s not. He’s not. Even though he’s been to the games probably 6, 7, 8 times, he’s not an outgoing, you know what I mean? He’s not a very handsome, what’d you say? A picture of him?

Greg Glassman (28:31):

Yeah. Throw up a picture.

Sevan Matossian (28:32):

Yeah. Lemme show you. Great dude. Let’s see. Travis may see. See if I can find his Instagram here. Oh, here we go. Humble dude. Lemme see if I can find a bigger picture of him. Oh no. Here, I see a good picture of him. Here we go. Sorry. And this is going to be small. There he is.

Greg Glassman (29:02):

Yeah, I recognize him.

Sevan Matossian (29:04):

Yeah. Had an injury this year. Didn’t make it to the games a little early for shirt sales. Eaton Beaver. Good morning Coach. And Sevy. I just got back from Cabo. I took Chevy’s advice and was dropping twenties when I got there. Great people. Oh, I was telling him the story tip. The first 10 people you see at the hotel

Greg Glassman (29:34):


Sevan Matossian (29:34):

It’s yours. Twenties. Yeah. And it’s yours. Yep. Crazy. That works. Not Mr. Beaver. Sean Linderman. My father-in-law is on statins and blood pressure medicine. He became a TikTok scientist about the vaccine, but refuses to research about nutrition.

Greg Glassman (29:56):

A TikTok scientist. I love that.

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