CrossFit Games Update Show | Tia VS Laura | Grundler, Self & Young

Mattew Souza (00:00):

I’ll drop off.

Sevan Matossian (00:01):


Mattew Souza (00:01):

Could make a new one, but I don’t want to screw with it while we’re live. I’ll

Sevan Matossian (00:04):

Just drop off. Okay. Feel free to screw with it while we’re live. It’s my fucking show. Bam. We’re live.

Bill Grundler (00:08):


Mattew Souza (00:09):


Sevan Matossian (00:11):

Bill Grundler, commentator for CrossFit, owner of CrossFit Inferno. God, I was scared that wasn’t going to come off the tip of my tongue. Dude.

Bill Grundler (00:20):

Come on now. It’s not that hard.

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

CrossFit inferno may got to be in the top 100 longest affiliates maybe by now. Definitely crossed over his 10 year anniversary. I went there with Greg. He’s the guy who looks like me, but younger self-made training program. I dunno what the fuck he looks like. He sells tires for a living. One of the smartest guys in the biz. Young, hungry, obsessed, fanatical. And then John Young from JY barbell, if you want to get strong, talk to John. Welcome. Did we take last week off? What happened? Oh, the crucibles

Bill Grundler (00:52):

Crash. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:54):

Crash. We’re going to start the show with a poll. Susie’s going to put it up now on YouTube. Should Dave Castro do the open announcements? Fuck yeah, and if you think otherwise, you’re not my friend. You’re up. Taylor.

Mattew Souza (01:10):

The next poll.

Sevan Matossian (01:11):

No, you’re up. What do you think Dave should? Dave Oh, should open announcement. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (01:15):

Yeah, a hundred percent. He’s the best. He’s tremendous.

Sevan Matossian (01:20):

Wow. Was that your Trump impression? It was pretty good. Was it? Was it pretty good? Trump you like that? Honestly, honestly. Don’t be a pussy. Should he do him or not? I know you bite your tongue. I know you’ve been known to be bite your tongue

Bill Grundler (01:37):


Sevan Matossian (01:37):

Last 50 years.

Bill Grundler (01:38):

Do I think he’s the best? No. Do I think that Who’s the better? Who’s better?

Sevan Matossian (01:41):

Who’s better? Who’s been better?

Bill Grundler (01:43):

It’s not a matter of who’s better. It’s what we need is we need to be grounded back again and be like, okay, let’s put our feet back on the ground. What we know what we’re doing and go forward from that is corny as his slow crap writing on the board and is taking the watch off and his theatrics that he rehearsed those things over and over and over and over before it went live. So as loony as it was, those were all rehearsed that way, but that’s what we knew and we want that. So yeah, bring it back. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (02:15):

Before John Young goes, Allegra r his chicken scratches were a staple. John, those two guys get to stay on the show. They didn’t disagree with me. Gruner’s walking a fine fucking line. Your turn buddy.

Mattew Souza (02:27):

I mean I agree with them. I enjoy the theatrics. I love the slow handwriting. I think I know what it is and then it ends up being something else. Or you think it’s like a 21 15 9 and it’s a 21 18, 15 12 9 or we’ll skip the 12 and then 9, 6 3. Something random like that. I love the theatrics. I think we should do away with the clues. Oh you do? Well they

Sevan Matossian (02:54):

Suck. They suck. Is that why they them? Does anyone ever solve the clue? I

Mattew Souza (02:57):

Just think they’re so dumb. They’re not

Bill Grundler (02:59):


Sevan Matossian (03:00):

Yeah, they’re not clues.

Mattew Souza (03:01):

They get everybody

Bill Grundler (03:02):

Clues jazzed up,

Mattew Souza (03:03):

But then people ask you about it. What do you think of this? I think nothing. I think the whole thing is just annoying and stupid. I think. Go. That’s

Bill Grundler (03:10):

What’s so great. You wonder who’s the silliest about that is Chase. Dave will put up a picture of a stump and then all of a sudden Chase goes into the deepest dives of what it might be. Could be what it think. I saw him reading

Mattew Souza (03:23):

Art of War four months ago. This stuff means that this is totally,

Bill Grundler (03:28):

But it’s fun though. It’s fun.

Sevan Matossian (03:29):

I love open love. They’re stupid. Yeah. I don’t know why I love them, but

Bill Grundler (03:36):

That one I love him too.

Sevan Matossian (03:37):

I’m so bored by a weigh-in or a press conference that doesn’t have Dana White and the difference between Dave doing a press conference or Dave doing an open announcement, he brings something intangible to it and energy kind of like an authority that makes me want to watch. It makes me, I should rather want to do something else, but instead I watch these dumb press conferences for the UFC because I want to see Dana orchestrate it and the same thing as with Dave. He’s

Bill Grundler (04:05):

The top guy. You want the top guy there?

Sevan Matossian (04:07):

Yeah. By the way, if anyone needs a kind of to see the difference when they crowned the fittest this year first Adrian, I think crowned the fittest woman or fittest man and then Dave crowned the other. I forget which one was left, but the difference in the way they presented it, I mean Adrian was good but Dave, it was coming from him. You know what I mean? It was like Zeus said it. You’re the fittest.

Mattew Souza (04:33):

He’s got kind of like a Bruce Buffer, like a vibe and the 2024.

Sevan Matossian (04:40):


Mattew Souza (04:41):

Crosby game champ. Like he’s watched a lot of UFC Bob’s kind of like and 2024 champ.

Sevan Matossian (04:50):

Okay, let me know if you disagree. Don’t vote jackasses Colton Merton’s update. Have you guys seen this Bill Short? I swear to God he’s plagiarizing from our very own Caleb Beaver. He is biting off the Shaan. He saw that the Shaan Caleb Beaver’s YouTube channel was so successful in just showing pulling shelves down off the wall and that it was surpassing interviews with Tia Tomi that he too bit that style and look at the number of views Colton has. Have you guys looked at this video of

Bill Grundler (05:22):

His It’s so good.

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

It’s him high pressure watering pig stalls. That’s what we’ve always wanted to see from him. Look at 13,000 views in two days

Mattew Souza (05:33):

Day in the life. Oh wow. Look at that little oinker. Fuck, that’s a cute pig. It’s going to die in about a year.

Sevan Matossian (05:40):

I make money killing these workshops. Mertons, a great video starts off with him working, then it goes to him working out, then it goes to him inside the house. I almost blush scene inside of his house with his lady. They’re so fucking sweet and cute together and it becomes one of those shows on the Hallmark network where it shows them drawing straight lines on the wall and hanging shit and I love that she’s taller than ’em by only 16 inches. And then go to nine 50. Listen to this conversation at nine 50. Go to nine 50. This is just beautiful, beautiful talk between a man and a woman. Here we go. Here we go. Is that clear? No, this is white. Maybe we wait until we get more clear cock just in case it doesn’t fit in there. Yeah, maybe we wait until we get some more clear cock so it can fit in there. You squish deep enough in there.

Mattew Souza (06:33):

Squish it in there. He’s like you shut the hell up and let me do this.

Sevan Matossian (06:37):

Nothing like a young lady talking about squishing the cock deep enough in there.

Mattew Souza (06:41):

Oh my god, dude, you just took a super homegrown guy. The most American video and you just made it porn.

Sevan Matossian (06:51):

C-A-U-L-K. Caulk.

Mattew Souza (06:54):

That’s actually oh CAU. Yeah, you’re right.

Bill Grundler (06:56):


Mattew Souza (06:57):

For a second. I thought you spelled that incorrectly.

Sevan Matossian (07:00):

In my house we only use black caulk because our gym floor is black mats and that’s how we keep it all tight.

Mattew Souza (07:06):

Yeah, that big. Get it

Sevan Matossian (07:08):

Deep. Colton Merton’s house. They use clear cock and anyway, fantastic video. And then just when you think you’ve had enough, they go outside and they let the dogs in and I kind of blushed when they let the dogs in too. It was so cute. They let six of these dachshunds run into their house and they play with them Epic video guys. It’s got a little bit of everything for everyone. Appropriate for all ages.

Bill Grundler (07:33):


Sevan Matossian (07:34):


Bill Grundler (07:35):

Do you think he can hold something like that for a long time? Is that kind like a one-off deal? It’s like, all right, we’ve seen your dogs now and we’ve seen and your,

Sevan Matossian (07:44):

I actually have the same question Bill. I think he can make a six minute video just on spraying down the pig stalls and we would eat that shit up. We want to see it.

Mattew Souza (07:53):

People love seeing things that are satisfying. If you make a real this, for example, like you said, spraying down the pig stalls, make it like a time lapse video and they start with shit everywhere and then 30 seconds they get pressure washed clean. That’ll just go viral on TikTok because people are obsessed with seeing satisfying things. You get what I’m saying? I

Bill Grundler (08:14):

Did as SMR stuff where it’s clicking on the thing and all that.

Mattew Souza (08:17):

Exactly. It

Bill Grundler (08:18):

Sounds good. It feels good when you see the finish of that.

Sevan Matossian (08:21):

Oh, should Dave Castro do the open announcements early voting 90%, yes. 10% No. When I had the choice to watch Justin Maderis can a CrossFit or deadlift 600 pounds or the Colton Merton’s video Now I will eventually watch both of them, but I chose the Colton Merton’s video because it said day in life and I’d heard that he was spraying down the pig stalls in there and dude, the number of views, dude, he’s surpassing everyone.

Bill Grundler (08:49):

You know what you’re doing for him though. I mean he’s jerking him off. He’s very, I hope not. Otherwise we’ll be talking about some other kinds of colored cocks or whatever. He has been turned from just the mega athlete, which was a lot of what the CrossFit games athletes are. They’re just an athlete. But over the course of all the stuff that you guys have been doing in the wad, zombie cards and all these things, you’ve turned him into an actual person now. And especially with a video like this. I think that’s why someone wants to watch that. I like Justin and I like watching him train just because I like watching him train and work out. That’s cool. But I don’t want to see him and his dogs.

Sevan Matossian (09:29):


Bill Grundler (09:29):

But Colton, I would want to see the pigs and him sitting there drinking water and then why is that put a little water in the pig? Why is that? I agree. I dunno why That’s a character. It’s a character.

Mattew Souza (09:38):

He’s the people’s champ.

Bill Grundler (09:39):

Yeah, he’s a character. Different

Sevan Matossian (09:44):

Made is a cute dog, but I’m not interested in seeing that either. You’re right. I want to see Maderis in their yanking on the

Bill Grundler (09:50):


Sevan Matossian (09:50):

With Next Alley.

Bill Grundler (09:51):

Yeah, but no one’s turned Justin into a

Mattew Souza (09:56):


Bill Grundler (09:57):

Justin was either like the upcoming or overcomer champ, champ, champ. He was never like the person. I mean when he got, then here he gets the girlfriend and then he has the worst season of his life in CrossFit and then all of a sudden everyone’s like, well, he’s done move him off to the side and everyone’s still talking about Colton and his dachshunds and his pigs. Now

Mattew Souza (10:19):

People care. People were so quick to drop. Justin I it’s so fast, crazy,

Bill Grundler (10:24):

So fast.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):

He’s going to win the games this year. I

Mattew Souza (10:27):

Still think he’s one the his top five

Sevan Matossian (10:28):

Fittest men in the world and people

Mattew Souza (10:30):

So fucking I’m pissed that Colton didn’t win Crucible and he won the last four workouts. I think that’s dumb.

Sevan Matossian (10:39):

Is that dumb?

Mattew Souza (10:40):

Because I said it’s fucking dumb. Can you tell me why? Because I said so. That’s my reason. All right. Well you need a better reason than that. No. My opinion’s, my opinion.

Sevan Matossian (10:49):

I want to ask Matt Susa a question and I want you guys to be really honest. I want you guys, so Matt’s going to go first. Come on and go first. I’m going to ask a question and then you guys all answer the question in your head, but don’t change it. Of all five of us here, Susa and us four dinging dongs facing forward, which one of us would own a dachshund? Susa. Who?

Mattew Souza (11:14):

John Young.

Sevan Matossian (11:15):

John Young.

Mattew Souza (11:16):

Wow. Who saw that? Who

Sevan Matossian (11:18):

Do you got? Who do you got?

Mattew Souza (11:19):

That’s myself. Dude.

Bill Grundler (11:20):

I was going to say self. I was going to say Taylor. Okay,

Sevan Matossian (11:22):

Fair enough. Okay. I was going to say Bill, you get the free Colton. You just won the free Dachshund from Colton Merton’s.

Mattew Souza (11:29):

No kidding. Those are like 700. You

Sevan Matossian (11:32):

Got two votes. John, do

Mattew Souza (11:33):

You know what I do want? I’m in the market for a Scottish fold cat kitten. Do you know what that is? Can you pull one of those up? Susa. They’re the cutest fucking cats. Do you guys like cats?

Bill Grundler (11:44):

Is it like a bald cat with a mustache? I You

Sevan Matossian (11:46):

Know what? I don’t want one because it get hit by a car and I’ll be a fucking mess and I’m not keeping an indoor cat.

Mattew Souza (11:50):

Dude, my mom backed one of our cats over a long time ago. He was like an indoor outdoor cat. He was like 11. Yeah, it fucked her up and I had to bury him, but fuck, I love cats, dude.

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

Oh, this cat is dope and they need too much attention. No, pet me. Pet me. Pet me,

Mattew Souza (12:05):

Dude. Look at those things.

Sevan Matossian (12:08):

I know what’s wrong with its ears. It’s just like that.

Mattew Souza (12:09):

They’re folded. Yeah, that’s why it’s called the Scottish fold. They’re so cute.

Bill Grundler (12:13):

That was like straight out of pet cemetery, dude. I would,

Sevan Matossian (12:18):

Goodness, goodness. Bill. I would so get a hairless cat first. Oh

Mattew Souza (12:22):

My god. No, dude,

Sevan Matossian (12:25):

I like the Scottish cat better than this one. I can’t

Bill Grundler (12:28):

Do these. These are rough.

Sevan Matossian (12:31):


Bill Grundler (12:34):

Oh look, that one down in the bottom right there. What

Sevan Matossian (12:36):


Bill Grundler (12:36):

That? Straight up a naked Yoda pink.

Mattew Souza (12:39):

Yeah, those are

Bill Grundler (12:41):


Sevan Matossian (12:42):

Hey, that was a great comment. Look at that, Taylor. You need this. You need all the help you can get plus three points for Taylor being, dude,

Mattew Souza (12:49):

I have two dogs. The best thing is when you have an older dog and you get two kittens. This is how he always did it. Growing up, we would have an older dog and two kittens and the cats are the fucking best temperament

Sevan Matossian (13:02):

Outdoor. They add two years to your dog’s life, right?

Mattew Souza (13:04):

Dude, a hundred percent.

Sevan Matossian (13:07):

All of a sudden he has a reason. He has a reason to live.

Mattew Souza (13:10):

There’s a hole in my heart, the hole in my heart that Jason doesn’t have because he’s got God I don’t have because I don’t have a cat.

Sevan Matossian (13:19):


Bill Grundler (13:19):


Sevan Matossian (13:19):

Video six 50. Is this the most perfect squat in the game? Is Heathing new best squatter in CrossFit? Is he better than James the trader Hobart?

Mattew Souza (13:33):

No, he not have a better squat. Well,

Sevan Matossian (13:35):

Listen, listen, you got to see it. I’m going to get a text for saying that. Watch this, watch this. Watch this. Squat six 50. Hook me up Su. Sorry, I know my notes note. I didn’t put any links in my notes. You got to scramble six 50. Watch it, watch it. Watch this. Look at this. Look at this

Mattew Souza (13:53):

Ass, this back one he’s got lifters on. So that’s a great squat, but go watch. This is the other thing you can’t, I don’t like critiquing a loaded squat because oftentimes, especially in a front squat,

Sevan Matossian (14:09):

2 55, 2 55

Mattew Souza (14:11):

Or a goblet squat or you’re a big fan of the bear hug squat, that frontal, that load in front of your body puts you into a good position. It puts you into an upright torso. Not

Bill Grundler (14:21):

To mention

Sevan Matossian (14:22):

It’s a front squat. Shut the hell. I understand, but it’s

Bill Grundler (14:24):

A front rack. It’s a

Sevan Matossian (14:25):

Front and it

Bill Grundler (14:26):

Puts you deeper in your squat too.

Sevan Matossian (14:28):

Everybody ladder loads. Not at 2 55, not at two five

Mattew Souza (14:31):

For rib more. If you want to evaluate somebody’s squat, make ’em do an air squat or better yet, an overhead squat with P vvc pipe.

Sevan Matossian (14:38):

Listen, it’s a fucking beautiful squat.

Mattew Souza (14:40):

PVC overhead squat. It is. He’s got a great squat and he’s got a great squat. Air squat, overhead squat regardless. It’s also

Sevan Matossian (14:46):

Five, four.

Mattew Souza (14:47):

Watch James. Easier to have squat APVC pipe overhead. That’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

Okay, I will take the win with Dave Castor doing the open announcements. I’ll take the L on this. Thank you. Okay,

Mattew Souza (15:01):

Are we talking about Rogue today?

Sevan Matossian (15:03):

We are going to talk about Rogue. We’re going to do this because John Young got like fucking whoa, 91%. Let’s get that up to 92 people.

Mattew Souza (15:10):

I’m 98 votes. I have 45 minutes.

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

Will you do a handful of Trump impersonations whenever you can. Taylor just like one word here and there. I

Mattew Souza (15:17):

Only have one. It’s a tremendous, you’re going to love it. It’s great. China.

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

Hey Susa, we’ve got to order him a Trump wig that he can put on sometimes during the show. Dude, how do you not have wigs? Dude,

Mattew Souza (15:38):

If I bald, they’re like 600 bucks is how

Sevan Matossian (15:40):

If I was bald, I would have like 10 gag wigs. Bill Grundler, gag wig, dude.

Mattew Souza (15:47):

So oh my God,

Sevan Matossian (15:49):


Mattew Souza (15:50):

Getting one of those to your house. Dude, do you have hats? Taylor? I don’t think I’ve ever seen you in a hat either. I used to be a big hat guy before I shaved my head, but now I don’t wear hats a whole lot. You just rock with it.

Bill Grundler (16:03):

You can’t have a bad hair day. You don’t need the hat or the bad hair day anymore.

Mattew Souza (16:06):

When I’m out in the sun. If it’s sunning,

Sevan Matossian (16:11):

Kenneth Dela Sevy takes the D. Oh, that’s not necessary. Oh my goodness. Look at these.

Mattew Souza (16:18):

The Nikita, the Russian spy wig, black Flapper. That’s what it’s called. The

Sevan Matossian (16:23):

Dude. We’ve got to get him the hole kit, the hat, the hair and the tie. Remind me Suzy, I’m going to send it to him. I got his address

Mattew Souza (16:30):

Hat, the hair and the tie.

Sevan Matossian (16:32):

Kenneth, the lab good. Yeah, as pound Taylor something. I didn’t like it that I took the d Kenneth lab shaved my head. You mean lost your hair?

Mattew Souza (16:42):

Hey, I’ll be with you in

Sevan Matossian (16:44):

Five years.

Mattew Souza (16:45):

This guy’s going off today, dude. Relax. Kenneth Fuck.

Sevan Matossian (16:49):

Okay. I think that the greatest most exciting competition in the history of CrossFit is about to go down. And by that I mean there’s never been two athletes that I’m more excited to see go head to head in any competition anywhere. And for numerous reasons, it’s Laurel Horvat, the 2023 CrossFit Games champion versus the best CrossFitter of all time who went away to grow a baby in her. I thank both of them for putting all their shit on the line by coming here and doing it. On top of that, it’s done at an event that is second to none. The best hosts in the space, the best equipment in the space, the best venue in the space, and it’s going to be broadcast for us. And I want to formally thank Tia and Laura for doing this and for the cast of characters who are going to try to fuck it up for them. Right. Thoughts guys, on this upcoming rogue event. Go ahead Taylor.

Mattew Souza (17:48):

The is crazy men’s roster I think is so wild,

Sevan Matossian (17:52):


Mattew Souza (17:53):

Whereas the women’s roster not quite so deep, but there are some, like you said, massive names and Laura story, but also the fact that Emma Carey, Emma Lawson, Alice Gaza, Ariel Lowen, all in the field, all amazing athletes. It’s

Sevan Matossian (18:09):


Mattew Souza (18:11):

Yeah. Just pumped to see how it goes. I think Laura takes the dub. It’s my early call.

Sevan Matossian (18:15):

Yeah, I think so too.

Bill Grundler (18:16):

But do you agree that this is the most, if you can’t get excited for this, you’re probably not going to get, be able to get excited for any competition?

Mattew Souza (18:24):

Yeah, I wish they market it better. I feel like it’s not been marketed crazy. I mean it just feels like, I feel like the Rogue Invitational fly. So under the radar in terms of buildup,

Sevan Matossian (18:35):

It’s like that in person too though.

Mattew Souza (18:38):

We’re it up

Sevan Matossian (18:38):

The in-person competition is not as hyped up if you’re there at the event. It’s not as big as Guap Palooza or I mean honestly.

Mattew Souza (18:47):

Well, they don’t have any of the other divisions, so I get why it’s smaller, but they have two divisions, strongman Elite, and then they have the legends. But what I would, I don’t know, dude, I just feel like Rogue has all that. Fuck you money, dude. Spend a little bit on commercials. Every time I open YouTube, I get a YouTube commercial from Rogue, which is new

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

For the prestige of it though. Aren’t you surprised? It’s not bigger than it is as far as the fans that come see it. I

Mattew Souza (19:11):

Don’t think there will ever be a competition that fills out well, there hasn’t yet been a competition that’s just for Elite that gets the draw of, it

Sevan Matossian (19:22):

Sells out of stadium to

Mattew Souza (19:23):

Watch it, right? But when you have events that have an obscene amount of community divisions like Water Palooza or the Granite Games of Old, those are events that got fucking packed. And of course the regionals, but I think people could get behind that because they were regional. All of your homegrown athletes are going, the community rallies behind it, whereas like Rogue, who the fuck’s going to more

Sevan Matossian (19:44):

Family members too,

Mattew Souza (19:45):

Right? Who all is flying to Rogue Justice?

Bill Grundler (19:49):

Before we pivot to that, I have some strong opinions on that. I want to hear Grundler talk about

Sevan Matossian (19:52):

Laura versus Tia.

Bill Grundler (19:53):

Do you think this is the greatest? There’s been events that I’ve just not excited for and I’m like genuinely, holy shit, I’m going to sit down this weekend and watch this. Well, I think a lot of people, yeah, it’s the big showdown because there hasn’t been a showdown for Tia ever, ever. I mean once she started winning, that was it, man. Honestly, I want to see her get beat. I want to see her get beat. And I don’t know if that’s kind of me being a dick, but I watch her on her commercials and I’m just like, I want Lord just to kick your ass. I want her to crush her. What do you mean on her? What do mean her commercial? She went from being the mean destroyer on the floor, on the field to now I see her going complete these cheese ball commercials for these, I mean I get it sponsorships and I understand the game I do, but the athlete in me sees that and I want her to just be Mr. Teed out and just taken

Sevan Matossian (20:56):

Out. Well, Laura, fuck you all over her shit.

Bill Grundler (20:57):

It’s funny. And that’s what I want. That’s what I want.

Sevan Matossian (21:00):

Danielle waves the fingers. Laura carries the swagger. Fuck you swagger.

Mattew Souza (21:04):

But this is what’s crazy. This is what’s crazy. Laura carries that on the floor 100%, but the content Laura puts out, I’m like, damn, that’s kind of wholesome. I would follow Laura.

Sevan Matossian (21:15):

I don’t

Mattew Souza (21:15):

Fucking follow Tia. Why would I?

Sevan Matossian (21:17):

She’s breeding stock. Laura’s breeding stock. She got mom, she’s breeding stock. Well,

Mattew Souza (21:21):

She’d be mom, cool shit. She posts cool shit. She posts. And I also feel like there’s been this shift from the way Tia acts like 2016 to 2019. Tia seemed like so nice, so down to earth now it’s like every interview she’s in, it’s like, no, I know I’d beat them. Fuck them. It’s like, I’m like, all right, let’s just,

Sevan Matossian (21:42):

Oh, I like that.

Bill Grundler (21:43):

Doesn’t that make you want to take her out the knees?

Sevan Matossian (21:45):

I like that.

Mattew Souza (21:46):

It makes me want to see Laura crush her. Hey dude.

Sevan Matossian (21:47):

But Laura’s got that too. What are you talking about? Laura’s is

Bill Grundler (21:50):

Vicious. No, no, it’s different. No different. She has it as an athlete, I mean you can be an athlete and be confident, but you’re not just

Mattew Souza (22:01):

A dick

Bill Grundler (22:01):

Flamboyantly just calling people out or acting like no one’s going to touch you.

Mattew Souza (22:06):


Bill Grundler (22:07):

I think that even though she’s the champ, I don’t feel like she feels that she’s done. She wants, this is her shot to take T out

Sevan Matossian (22:19):


Bill Grundler (22:19):

I mean it’s like it’s lining up for, and I cannot wait to see that

Mattew Souza (22:25):

Go to her. Hold on. I

Bill Grundler (22:27):

Don’t care about any of the other competitions honestly. I mean in all reality, I don’t care about the guy side or the other athletes that are even in the field and getting back to talking about what the fans are going to go to. I think the fans are going to see it’s elite or elite. Where are you going to put your money? Probably want to go see ’em at the games. If I’m going to go and see all those guys, I want to get the big experience, so they’re going to go there. So what I see here, what I see with this competition is it boils down to one race. And I honestly, as much as I want to see Tia get beat, I mean hats off for stepping into the ring because you’ve stacked everything up against you to go down.

Mattew Souza (23:08):


Bill Grundler (23:09):

You know what I mean?

Mattew Souza (23:10):

Like you said, it’s every interview she does, she acts like she’s untouchable. No one has a chance If she’s on the floor and it’s, well brother, you just had a baby so

Sevan Matossian (23:19):

Well, fuck yeah. Bill, I’m with you. This is it. Seriously, I’m going to be completely frank here. Every competition I watch, there’s a little bit of like, I’d rather be doing something else. It’s never been like the UFC to me where I really want to fucking watch this rogue. I’m not going to be running out of the shower last minute being like, I have to do this. So I have to do a podcast. I’m going to sit down and I’m going to savor this to the last

Bill Grundler (23:47):

Word. What

Sevan Matossian (23:47):

Do you think would be more demoralizing if Tia won or if Emma Lawson won?

Mattew Souza (23:53):

I don’t think Emma Lawson’s going to win.

Sevan Matossian (23:55):

Dude. It won’t be demoralizing at all if

Bill Grundler (23:57):

Emma Lawson demoralizing to who? To Laura. I think it would hurt more if Tia wins. Me too. You think so? I mean Emma. Okay. The fact of the matter is we’re early season. There’s a lot that could happen between now and the games. Without a doubt. I mean, in fact, I could see that if Tia really gets pushed and it starts looking bad, I would be looking for an injury.

Sevan Matossian (24:29):


Bill Grundler (24:30):

I’d looking, it’s early in the season. Just

Sevan Matossian (24:32):

Pull out by that. You’re saying she might pull

Bill Grundler (24:35):

The first three. Ah, pull the hammy. Oh, pull the hammy. Ah,

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

Emma Lawson’s, way better than you think she is. Everybody in the comments. Emma Laws

Bill Grundler (24:42):

Dude. Emma Lawson is Oh, laws is she?

Sevan Matossian (24:45):

Laurel Horvath is the fittest woman on the world. But I’m telling Emma Lawson is coming. She’s still really young. She’s only getting,

Bill Grundler (24:52):

She’s going to be there a long time.

Mattew Souza (24:53):

You said that about Mal too, dude, that’s the thing said,

Sevan Matossian (24:55):

And Mal was until she mentally cracked. I said about Hatfield. I said it about Hatfield too. And what happened

Mattew Souza (25:01):

With him? He lost the four last events and I’m still not, there are a lot of things I could talk about about that brother.

Bill Grundler (25:09):

Hey buddy.

Mattew Souza (25:10):

Hey. One in the games

Sevan Matossian (25:11):

Format by

Mattew Souza (25:12):

Even more.

Bill Grundler (25:13):

Look at Laura’s currently winning the poll. 63%

Sevan Matossian (25:15):

Got Laura. 37% got. Can

Bill Grundler (25:17):

You put us back in the

Sevan Matossian (25:18):

Four square? I want to

Mattew Souza (25:20):


Sevan Matossian (25:20):


Bill Grundler (25:22):

Taylor, grab this dude and stick this in your ass. Grab it, grab it.

Mattew Souza (25:29):

Thank you. Listen, there’s a video on Laura’s Instagram of her doing strict deficit and that

Bill Grundler (25:35):


Mattew Souza (25:36):


Bill Grundler (25:36):

That I saw that I was like, man, if you’re going to put that up there for everyone to see, you better do 15.

Mattew Souza (25:46):

She’s confident. Here’s the other thing. Here’s the other thing, dude,

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

Listen. She could bring Burkowski and just do twos and make

Mattew Souza (25:51):

It, no, it’s not this video. This is doing G.

Sevan Matossian (25:54):

She had pettes.

Mattew Souza (25:55):

Yeah, but this is the other thing. She looks leaner too. She looks lean and mean. I think Ben’s fucking whipping her in a shape. Not, I want to hear

Sevan Matossian (26:05):

You. Ben won’t say that. Ben won’t say that. Ben will be like, all I know. That’s what I mean,

Bill Grundler (26:08):

Right? Ben’s got that

Sevan Matossian (26:10):

Fake humility shit going. He knows that

Mattew Souza (26:13):

He’s doing shit. Her being in that environment, she’s learning so much from him. And this is the other thing, the best athletes are all incredibly smart. And having someone to learn from, like Ben,

Sevan Matossian (26:21):


Mattew Souza (26:22):


Sevan Matossian (26:22):

I agree.

Mattew Souza (26:23):

Wicked smart.

Sevan Matossian (26:25):

Hey, but how are you not going to answer John’s question when he says, you’re like, well, you said that Aboutm. Yeah, dude, she’s fucking,

Bill Grundler (26:32):

She’s the best. She’s the future.

Mattew Souza (26:35):

Now’s the future, but she’s not,

Bill Grundler (26:38):

Well, John didn’t

Sevan Matossian (26:39):

Know she was going to go full retard on us and fucking fall

Bill Grundler (26:41):

Off the shit.

Mattew Souza (26:41):

Right? So all I’m saying is I hate the argument of, oh, they’re young, they’re coming. Well, I am not. I never said that

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

About Haley. I I’m saying that I’m

Mattew Souza (26:52):

Not convinced I’m not. Nobody said that about Emma Lawson, but I’m also not convinced.

Bill Grundler (26:55):

I think Lawson is not coming. She’s there.

Mattew Souza (26:57):

You’re training. I think there’s a training age and I don’t think that’s so dependent on your actual age. I think if you start fucking CrossFit at 13 and run your dick into the dirt time, you’re 18, you’re going to crack. Lemme ask you this. You’re saying, hold on, hold on. You’re saying they peak earlier. Right? And I agree with that. I agree with that. I’m not saying they peak earlier. I’m saying when you miss out on a childhood, you’re not the same in your brain. You don’t have please, oh fuck off Savon, take Avi. This is a professional. Start

Sevan Matossian (27:29):

Acting like professionals. You don’t see fucking Tyson bet crying and running home.

Mattew Souza (27:32):

He had a want to be professional

Sevan Matossian (27:33):

Sports, suck it up and

Mattew Souza (27:34):

Fucking get out there and play. He has a life. He had a life. He was a high school quarterback. He was getting pussy after his Friday night football game. These girls are training eight hours day, the luckiest thing, playing fucking with their Sudoku block in their room. The Luckies themselves,

Bill Grundler (27:49):

The luckiest

Sevan Matossian (27:50):

Thing that happened to Jason Hopper and Ma O’Brien was the chance to get to go train with Matt Fraser. End of story. The fuck is that balloon shit? I can’t even gesticulate anymore. I don’t care what anyone says. I don’t care what happened to them. I don’t care what harsh realities you want to say. Matt was a dick. He wasn’t nice, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Dude, you got to go up there with the greatest fucking male CrossFitter of all time and fucking train with them. Fucking suck it up. That’s PFA rule number one. Act like a fucking professional.

Mattew Souza (28:23):

And they both didn’t like it.

Sevan Matossian (28:25):

Yeah. Well I’m just telling you, I think Grr agrees with me. You agree with me Grundler. Just suck it up.

Bill Grundler (28:30):

Well, I don’t think you can play into whatever happened beforehand, but with Mal physically speaking, she had the tools to be the best.

Mattew Souza (28:40):

So do all,

Bill Grundler (28:40):

And there are a lot of athletes out there that have a whole lot of tools, but if they don’t have the head for it, it doesn’t matter how good of an athlete they’re, because they’ll break. In fact, when you had, you started this with your conversation with Jason Hopper, you started it. In fact, hunter came in and I was like, damn, hunter. I don’t always like all the things you say, but you said some good things here.

Mattew Souza (29:00):

Yeah, he grand slammed

Bill Grundler (29:01):

It. I mean, a hundred percent

Sevan Matossian (29:03):

Hunter’s way smarter than people think he is.

Bill Grundler (29:05):

Totally. I mean, he plays a game. He plays a game. I get it. But he understands it. If you want to be the best, you have to believe that you’re the best because a lot of that

Sevan Matossian (29:16):

Will take over seen now O’Brien shit, the bed on the competition floor. Let me distinguish that between, there’s shit in the bed in the off season.

Mattew Souza (29:24):


Sevan Matossian (29:25):

I didn’t, okay, good.

Bill Grundler (29:26):

Well, maybe it’s holding it together. Maybe what it is. It’s not shit in the bed, but she’s held it together until she was off the floor and then lost it. I’m not saying that I know what happened, but maybe that’s what did happen.

Sevan Matossian (29:41):

But you agree with me, bill, you’re excited for this. This is Epic. Oh yeah. Thank you, Tia. Thank you, Laura. You

Bill Grundler (29:45):

Guys, like I said, I don’t even care. I don’t even care. I feel bad for the guys, right? It is a much deeper field. I don’t even care. I want to see Tia and Laura. I want to see that race. I

Sevan Matossian (29:57):

Want see those guys. John Curmudgeon with the shitty lighting.

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