CrossFit Games Update Show EP1 | Live Call In

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

That’s my fault. Bam. We’re live. Caleb. Oh, John. Hi. What’s up? Spin? What’s up? Tell me. Yeah. Can you hear me? Hi. Welcome. Holy cow. Uh, welcome to the first ever CrossFit Games update Show, episode one. Friday Nights 6:30 PM We’ll, we’ll, we’ll bring a whole cast of characters through here. Tyler Watkins, bill Grundler, chase, spin Pedro, the list goes on and on. Maybe, maybe we’ll even drag we’ll branstetter out of out of retirement if we get desperate. Uh, and, uh, this is gonna be a fun show. We will, this will be a, uh, a wild show. Feel free to call in and interrupt anytime it’s your show. Um, I want it to be fun, uh, and I, and I want it to bring value to everyone who’s listening so you can learn new things, put uh, new data points together, and get new ideas. John has been around, uh, for a long time.


Uh, those are, that’s it for his credentials. And he works out a little bit. He’s strong. And Mr. Spin, um, uh, is the, uh, founder creator of the Barbell Spin. He’s on Instagram and on YouTube and all over the internet. And in my opinion, and I think in the opinion of many people, it is where the most up-to-date fastest news, uh, comes out if you are interested in following CrossFit. So anyone who’s interested in the games, that’s the Instagram account you wanna follow. Not even just the games, anything in the CrossFit space. For some reason, he is that source and his Instagram, within minutes of things happening, they happen unless he’s, uh, doing his fatherly duties, which is, that’s right. He does some of that shit too. Uh, my first, uh, question for you guys tonight, what died faster? Justin Berg or Justin Lefranco? No, just kidding.


I want to thank, um, I was, I was surfing the web today before we came on, and I was just looking for anything on this subject, the Dave Castor subject. And, uh, I saw cf, uh, CF Media, the guy from, um, Europe with the fancy accent. Uh, that guy, uh, came out of hiding and did a show. I saw, um, John Singleton did a show, um, from the program. I saw that training. Think Tank D hasn’t done a show on it. Uh, I saw the, the Froning Posse, uh, did a show, talking to Fitness, did a couple shows. Um, you guys have done some shows at The Spin, but, but it’s, it’s not a lot. And that’s what made me realize Morning Chalk up is dead. Right. It, it’s to, it’s toast. I went to their YouTube station.

Brian Spin (02:34):

Yeah. I mean, yeah, YouTube is, is gone

Sevan Matossian (02:37):

And, and, and without YouTube, I, I, I kind of, I mean, in this space, you’re kind of done, right? I mean, don’t you need YouTube presence to be, uh, some validation? I mean, even Brian Friend who is, who is at Be Friendly Fitness, who is, um, uh, predominantly been a writer, even he, he has a, uh, uh, YouTube station that’s building quickly.

Brian Spin (03:00):

Yeah. I mean, that’s how you get the news out fastest

Sevan Matossian (03:03):

Through video, I think, and on growing. You

John Young (03:05):

Have to have a YouTube piano.

Sevan Matossian (03:08):

Crazy. Alright, well, I’m glad, John, you don’t go start a YouTube channel. You just feed mine and spins. Uh, please. We appreciate that. I wanna say a couple things, um, that I, since it’s been a week since Dave Castro has been, uh, put in charge of the cross state games, and Justin Berg has been fired, and I think it’s safe to say, after listening to all the, all the pundits out there, we basically know why he is been fired. It’s a combination of financial reasons, but just of epic failures that have been documented, documented by people like Andrew Hiller from the start of the year to up till now, from the wrong weights being used to the social media, that’s been a disaster. Um, inconsistencies in kilograms, pounds. It just goes on and on. We are reffing stuff. The the list goes on and on. You can go back and see just all of the, um, the hiccups. And so someone has made a decision, and I’m guessing there’s a financial component too, that, uh, brought Dave back. I think at some point when we saw Dave get rehired by CrossFit Inc, we thought, okay, for sure he would be coming back, um, to, to, to this role. And it’ll be interesting with only six weeks or four weeks, whatever’s left, uh, until the games. H how long is it until the games happens?

Brian Spin (04:17):

It’s, uh, five weeks.

Sevan Matossian (04:18):

Okay, so thir 30, what is that? 35 days? Five times seven. 35 days. Late July.

Brian Spin (04:23):

Yeah. 5, 5, 6 weeks.

Sevan Matossian (04:25):

Uh, w it’ll be interesting to see what, um, what he, what he, not what he does, but if we’ll see his fingerprint on it at all. I wanna say something after listening to all these people talk, I’ve come to definitely one or two conclusion, two conclusions for sure. Uh, Dave, please ignore 90% of what all the athletes and, um, and coaches say they are completely selfish. Douche bags who, uh, who should just focus on training and, and not be worried about you at all. Please ignore them. Just get out there and be the Dana White of CrossFit that we want you to be completely fucking ignore them. And the second thing I want to tell you, and I’m curious how John and, um, and Mr. Smithfield about this is Dave is the most highly communicative, transparent, and accessible person who’s ever worked at the history of CrossFit HQ Sevan. How can you say that? Because the guy has a YouTube channel where he tells you what he does every single day of the fucking week in his weekly review, and he answers questions from Ding Dongs on YouTube.


So I kind of don’t want to hear any, any, like, is he accessible? Is he gonna be collaborative? He’s not li quiet. You remind me of the b l protesters who throw bricks at buildings, and yet you haven’t written one letter to your congressman. Just going to the brick is your first move. Let me see 20 questions in his YouTube comments for him first before I, I hear one fucking opinion or speculation or criticism about him. And let me be clear, I’m a huge Dave Castro fan. He can almost do no wrong in my eyes. I am, I am. Is that on? So biased? He’s a hundred percent. A hundred percent. Steven Flores. Se can I buy some weed off of you? You can have it, dude. I got bags of this shit laying around. I don’t even smoke this shit. You can have it, John. You ever seen marijuana before? Goody goody. Like you,

John Young (06:39):

Uh, you’ve held it up before <laugh>. That’s the only time I’ve seen. I’ve seen you hold it up before all.

Sevan Matossian (06:43):

All right, fine. Little break the show. Can you guys see how much I’m sweating

John Young (06:48):


Sevan Matossian (06:50):

I just worked out? Uh, so let let that be known. I just watched his most recent weekend review. And you know what I saw that, uh, uh, CrossFit, uh, bill Henneger and Katie Henneger of Rogue and the mayor of, uh, Miami, were just on a phone call and they’re setting up some parks and some underserved areas in the community. Ba whatever the fuck that means, that means we’re like gang bangers and people on, we felt welfare live, I think. And they’re setting up, uh, public spaces so people can, uh, participate and do CrossFit.

John Young (07:24):

That’s awesome.

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

It’s fucking great. Thank you, Dave. Thank you, bill. Thank you Katie. Thank you mayor of fucking Miami. I’m not sure if Dave’s gonna listen to me because I want the temperature at the semi-finals to be 81.2, because that’s where the best oxygen transfer in the lungs comes from the capillaries to the shut up. You just focus on getting more pull-ups and handstand pushups outta Laura Horvat. You’ll be fine. She’ll be with the CrossFit Games champion, right, John?

John Young (07:56):


Sevan Matossian (07:57):


John Young (07:58):


Sevan Matossian (08:02):

Um, you can’t, you can go over there. There, uh, did you guys see, um, uh, John Singleton’s, uh, podcast got a thousand views over there. It’s on, it’s at the program. Uh, did you guys buy any chance? See that?

John Young (08:16):

I didn’t have time. Watch it. I saw her. I didn’t watch it.

Sevan Matossian (08:18):

It’s kind of trippy, right? It’s kind that, that, uh, that lady is so unique in her, in her character to the um mm-hmm. <affirmative> in presence in the games. You know what I mean? Don’t see who,

John Young (08:30):

Who is

Sevan Matossian (08:31):

She? I don’t know. She sounds smart cuz she got the fancy voice. There’s, here she is. And that poster in the background, it’s Trish. Is that Picasso with a, with a clown nose? What’s going on? What? Just

John Young (08:40):


Sevan Matossian (08:41):

Who is it?

John Young (08:43):

I was, I was joking. I said it was Trish

Sevan Matossian (08:45):

<laugh>. It could be Trish. Uh, the big takeaway from this, for anyone who who who doesn’t have the time to watch this, the big huge takeaway is that green looks wonderful on this lady, and that those road microphones can be placed on hats. Look at John Singleton’s fucking hat. Look where they put the road microphone on him. <laugh>. That’s incredible. I had no idea it worked like that. Did you guys?

Brian Spin (09:09):

No. I

Sevan Matossian (09:10):

Thought that shit had to be down here between your pecs.

John Young (09:12):

Does it pick up, does it pick up his voice fire?

Sevan Matossian (09:14):

He sounds great. Uh, he, uh, he says that, um, the lady’s concerned because she says at minute 17 that Dave Castro might have some favorites at the 43 minute mark, or at the 19 minute mark. Uh, John Singleton says something about, uh, he’s never, there’s never been more uncertainty. Um, yeah, I, the watching this, even though I like John Singleton and I do like her and I like the discussion, it’s made it, this is where I was like, okay, this is, I I don’t really, the coaches and the athletes and the, and the pundits like, please, Dave, do not listen to them. Just get up there and fucking run the fucking show. That’s what we want. Uh, there was a, um, for 1999, you get to say something. Thank you. Fernando <laugh>. Uh, Fernando, uh, premium services. I can’t agree with Sev Moore. Dave, ignore all the athletes and coaches. Yeah.

John Young (10:01):

It’s not John. Like, he, uh, it’s not like he let it get to him before, though. I believe, I feel like he ignored them, ignored all the noise back in the day as well.

Sevan Matossian (10:10):

I agree. Yeah. I’m just concerned. I’m concerned that we’re in a different era and that people would, they Yeah. I’m just concerned that people are, it’s gonna be like, oh, it’s a different era. Dave’s matured, blah, blah, blah. No, don’t, don’t have matured. Please. And any thoughts? Spin Oh, oh, uh, Steven Flores Ace sounds like he drank some spicy watermelon margaritas. Uh, there is no slur in this voice. I had some, uh, three hours ago. I had some I know. Explode and worked out. Maybe that’s what you, you’re you’re feeling. Go ahead,

Brian Spin (10:43):

Mr. No, I, I completely agree. I mean, he’s, uh, he brings interest to the sport, right? Like what he does is intriguing and at times controversial. And if he gets and just becomes vanilla, uh, nobody wants that. Or at least,

Sevan Matossian (11:00):

I don’t know. Gimme an example of controversial what you mean by that. You mean like the cornrows or like, you mean in, in like Yeah. The softball throw or what?

Brian Spin (11:07):

Just how, you know, he did what he wanted to, to grow the sport and he didn’t weigh in and just, you know, if, if something happened, he would, uh, own up to it. He took charge, he did what he could to grow the sport. And it wasn’t trying to, he wasn’t worried about offending somebody.

John Young (11:26):

For instance, like in 2019. In 2019, whenever everybody was complaining about the cuts, uh, and Brooke Wells didn’t make it. He’s gonna be, he says, this isn’t a popularity contest. I don’t care how many Instagram followers you have, she stepped on the line. She’s not allowed in. Yeah. I don’t think we hear that from anybody but Dave.

Sevan Matossian (11:45):

Right, right. And, and, and I’m gonna be frank with you, I’m a huge fan of Dave, and I think that that’s totally inappropriate. But from him, I fully accept it. I, I, I mean, uh, this is gonna be, uh, Dana White fucking, uh, his wife slapped him and he slapped her back in a bar. And he survived that. Not everyone survives that.

John Young (12:04):

He survived that

Brian Spin (12:06):


Sevan Matossian (12:07):

Not, not a, not everyone. I mean, he, he flew, he, he flewed through it. There was a, uh, Rory McKernan says in the podcast with Rich, and hopefully I’ll have Rich on, uh, next Monday. He says something like, Hey, you know, it’s a different era. If you want to grow a sport, you have to, you have to, um, not say the F-bombs. I’m paraphrasing. Well, Rory must not be watching the ufc, uh, fastest growing sport in the history of those two years during the pandemic. And the F-bomb comes out of every other sentence. Uh, and, and it’s on espn and it’s like, Hey, hey, dude, this isn’t, we’re not in 2000 fucking, uh, 15 anymore. And, uh, this sport. And Dave can blaze its own path. He, he’s never been one. And every second counts. Um, someone asks, uh, what do we do if one of the athletes gets injured and someone says, we should stop the event? That’s what they do in the Olympics. And Dave goes, fuck the Olympics. And, and, and like this is crowning the fittest human being on the planet.

Brian Spin (13:05):

Yeah, a hundred percent

Sevan Matossian (13:08):

The fittest human being, uh, on, on the planet. And we want that. We want that aura back. Right. Hey, was that Picasso in the background? Was that Picasso with the, with the clown nose on? Was that Picasso on that poster? Anyone know? Caleb,

John Young (13:26):

You know, back to it.

Sevan Matossian (13:27):

Caleb’s not just in the, uh, was not just served, uh, in the United States military, but he also, um, it was a art, uh,

John Young (13:33):

This, this freeze frame with John. He’s like a conspiracy

Brian Spin (13:37):


John Young (13:38):

Conspiracy theorist right now.

Sevan Matossian (13:40):

Hey, John. Singleton’s legit, right? Yeah. He’s, he’s, he’s as legit as they get. Would you, would you, how would you rank him up there with, uh, his coaches? He’s, he’s in the, he’s in the top tier. He’s in the elite.

Brian Spin (13:50):

Yeah. I mean, he’s been around for probably longer than most of the coaches that we talk about today. And, uh, he probably just doesn’t get enough credit for what he can do because he’s in Europe, and, you know, he’s kind of a little bit outside outta mind. You know, most of the season

John Young (14:07):

He’s probably Europe’s been bergeron. Like the way we talk about Ben Bergeron, I feel like, not, not in a negative way, but like how much we talk about Ben Bergeron as a coach. I feel like he’s Europe’s main coach. <laugh>, like, he’s probably their their top tier guy. Wouldn’t you agree, Brian?

Brian Spin (14:25):

Uh, he has been, I mean, I think there’s a lot of upcoming coaches in Europe right now, but,

John Young (14:31):

But he’s been around

Brian Spin (14:33):

A while. But he has, yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (14:36):

Um, uh, oh my God, that’s Trish. Um, John Singleton was, uh, Sarah Sigmund’s daughter’s coach back in the day. Is that correct? Mm-hmm.

John Young (14:43):


Sevan Matossian (14:44):

Yeah. And, uh, most recent

John Young (14:46):


Brian Spin (14:46):

Everybody, everybody’s been Sarah’s coach at some point.

John Young (14:49):

That’s okay. Well,

Sevan Matossian (14:51):

Uh, and, and, and, and most recently, um, uh, Gabby Awa was, uh, coached by him, but recently left.

Brian Spin (14:58):


Sevan Matossian (14:59):

And does he have any other, does he have any other big names right now?

Brian Spin (15:03):

Uh, Ella V is on, uh, been to the games,

John Young (15:07):

Uh, Jacqueline <inaudible>.

Sevan Matossian (15:09):

Oh. So there’s no doubt that he cares and he’s passionate. Yeah. More

Brian Spin (15:14):


John Young (15:15):


Brian Spin (15:16):


Sevan Matossian (15:16):

But, but I’m gonna say, I’m gonna say gently, he is, uh, uh, far too, uh, focused, uh, on the athletes. On the athletes. And I’m being a coach, and like, I’m not really, I’m not really interested in his perspective. I don’t, I don’t give a lot of weight to his perspective on what’s best for the sport, what’s commercially important for the sport. I, what’s best for CrossFit hq. Like, I, I don’t care.

John Young (15:39):

Yeah. I, I agree with that. I agree with that. I feel like those conversations need to be for people in the media or just people who frequently criticize CrossFit headquarters and coaches and athletes should focus on what’s at hand. I mean, they should still have a say. It’s not to say that they shouldn’t have a say in ha you know, the sport that they participate in, but they’re distracted if that’s bothering them.

Brian Spin (16:05):

But it’s, they have a vested interest, right? Like his athlete was Jacqueline Dahlstrom.

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

There’s no way that Mike is working spin. There’s no fucking way that Mike is working.

Brian Spin (16:15):


Sevan Matossian (16:15):

Probably not. That is a show. Mike spin’s like a guy with a 10 inch dick that won’t get hard. <laugh>. It’s a, show’s a show. Mike, it was working

Brian Spin (16:23):

When I got on and I jumped on here. I don’t think it’s working. <laugh>. I have no idea

Sevan Matossian (16:25):

What’s going on. Okay, go on. Jacqueline Dahlstrom. Sorry, go on. Um,

Brian Spin (16:30):

Like, he’s like Kotler right in the Talking Elite Fitness interview.

Sevan Matossian (16:35):

Okay. Right. Like, yeah. Yeah. Kotler’s very transparent that he’s obviously myopic about athletes with for all, for the athletes,

Brian Spin (16:41):

Right? So they have a vested interest, they have a certain perspective, and that’s how they are, that that’s the lens they look through. And so that’s all they’re gonna look for is how it’s affected them or how it affect affected their athletes over the years. And so you, you have to take a step back, like somebody like Kpa in that interview. He’s been the athlete, now he’s stepped back and he can look at it from a different angle and provide two perspectives

John Young (17:10):

And probably knows Dave better than anybody else that was in that, uh, podcast or interview Kpa,

Sevan Matossian (17:16):

Jason. Oh, yeah, by far. Yeah. Right.

John Young (17:19):

Um, like the closest to him personally and not personally, uh, where he’s at. Dave’s will,

Sevan Matossian (17:27):


John Young (17:27):

I mean, Dave is the guy who wouldn’t let his team compete when they should have won in 2015. They were destroying Rich’s team. Uh, Miranda, correct. Tears or a c l. And then they probably still would’ve won with one person less. And Dave’s like, I’m not gonna let you compete. You know how pissed off Jason was from that? I mean, he freaking, he stopped CrossFit and called it NC Fit and act like it wasn’t CrossFit for a while. That’s how Matthew was about that. And for him to have Castro’s back the way he did in that interview, I feel like speaks volumes.

Sevan Matossian (18:00):

Uh, if you go back to, I don’t know what that was, 2015, if you go to the 2015 behind the scenes, you can actually hear there was someone there filming, uh, while Dave was on the phone with Jason Kpa while he was driving, uh, in his truck. It’s a brilliant segment filmed by a brilliant filmmaker, uh, with the most watched, uh, minutes wise, uh, content in the history of CrossFit hq, behind the scenes facts. Uh,

John Young (18:22):

Greatest arm wrestling director I’ve ever seen too.

Sevan Matossian (18:25):

Yeah, that too. Thank you. Uh, Chris, uh, bier filled monthly subscription, uh, for the show to buy some tennis balls. Thank you. Dude. My eight year old, I, I think it’s done my, I think my eight year old can beat me at tennis, and I’m, uh, I’m, I’m, it’s over. He beat me today. Two, two games to one, and I, I just, I don’t think I come back. It’s crazy. He’s eight. I don’t think I’d come back. Uh, okay. Uh, anything else you guys wanna say? Uh, um, uh, about Dave? Oh, let, let’s say one more thing about Dave, uh, today. Dave and Don met with the, um, all of the athletes, uh, going to the CrossFit games. From what I hear, um, I am not able to get a word from Dave about it, but what I am hearing is that the individual athletes, men and women, the masters, the teams, everyone, I think even the kitties, uh, all met with, uh, Don and Dave today on a phone call. Um, from what I heard, um, no, uh, none of the athletes spoke. It was just, uh, Dawn and Dave had spoke. Have you guys heard anything about that?

Brian Spin (19:30):

I have not.

John Young (19:31):

I have not. It Spencer’s the guy that would know, and if he doesn’t, then I don’t think anybody knows. I have not heard,

Sevan Matossian (19:35):

No. Okay. I, I don’t remember those meet, I don’t remember meetings like that in the past. I don’t know if that’s something, um,

John Young (19:43):

Not this far out for sure.

Sevan Matossian (19:46):

Yeah. With all the athletes. It sounds new to you. Does it sound new to you too? Spin? Do you think this is something like, Hey, you think like, basically the aunt’s Nest got stirred up a little bit with Justin leaving and they’re just like, Hey, we’re here, we’re good. Yeah. Mommy and dad are

Brian Spin (19:57):

Here. I think that’s exactly what it is. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (20:00):


Brian Spin (20:01):


Sevan Matossian (20:02):

Okay. Uh, who does the, uh, who does that old up behind the scenes stuff? Great question. Great, uh, fantastic. Uh, question. Okay. Uh, anything else on, um, Dave?

John Young (20:18):

Um, no. Tyler wants to know if you still want him on right now.

Sevan Matossian (20:22):

Yeah. Tell him to come on. Of course. I love Tyler. Tell him to come on anytime. He’s a great guy. It’s, it’s a crazy show. Okay. Uh, Mr. Spinn, where are we in the game season? What, what, uh, we said we’re six weeks out, but what, what’s behind us and, and what are we, what are we looking at? Can you paint the scene for us with six weeks out? What’s going on here?

Brian Spin (20:38):

Yeah, I mean, we’ve, we’ve narrowed the field down from, you know, 300,000, uh, through the open quarter finals and semi-finals. Uh, and now we have 40 athletes, 40 men, 40 women, and, uh, 38 teams heading to the games in Madison. Um, so we’ve, we’ve changed up how the number of people coming through from each, uh, semi-final, uh, thanks to the worldwide rankings. And, uh, but at the end of the day, we still have 40 men, 40 women. And, uh, yeah, I think it’s, uh, I think we got the right athletes based off of the system that we have in place.

Sevan Matossian (21:18):

In in, in any of the years that the CrossFit games have happened, have all 40 men and all 40 women actually arrived on day one, or does it always end up being 39 and 40, or 38 and 36 have all 40 and on both sides ever shown up? Do you guys know, or all 30 or anyone who made the roster?

John Young (21:34):

Yeah, I, I think it’s commonplace for most of the time for all 40 to show up. And then, uh, if they’re hurt, they’ll draw, they’ll withdraw. Like in the first event, like, they’ll see if they can make it to the first event. Yeah. You know, first event’s usually long distance, it’s running, swimming and then running, you know, most of the time you can make it through that. And if you have a chance to go to the games, especially if you’re, you know, 40th 38th, like that’s the spot you’re probably gonna get. You’re still gonna go to the games. It’s a once in a lifetime ob Right. You know, uh, feeling for you. So, um, I think most of the time they do show up 40 and 40, and then it’s just a couple withdrawal on the first day if that happens.

Sevan Matossian (22:12):

Uh, so, so, so basically what you’re saying is there’s a bit of delusion for the injured. They come, they try to keep the dream alive. They enter the first event, they realize that ankle, that shoulder, that wrist, that something can’t hold up and they, and they shut it down.

John Young (22:26):

I mean, Alexander Carone did it in semifinals

Sevan Matossian (22:29):

And did he make it, is he going to the games?

John Young (22:31):

No, they told him the beat <laugh>, they did it. Right. But he showed up like he went to Orlando or Pasadena, whichever one he was at, and he would, you know, tried to fake it through.

Brian Spin (22:43):


Sevan Matossian (22:44):

Someone else got, another dude got booted there, right?

Brian Spin (22:48):

Uh, yeah. Uh, uh, Corby Fox. All

Sevan Matossian (22:51):

Right. Kind of weird that the only two guys that got booted got all semi-finals were from the same, um,

Brian Spin (22:58):

It, it was that first week. And I think even, uh, Berg alluded to that. Maybe that was a mistake.

Sevan Matossian (23:05):

No shit.

Brian Spin (23:06):

Yeah, it sounded like that was part of the interview that they had with talking to Elite Fitness that they never shared, never aired.

Sevan Matossian (23:14):

Why w why aren’t they gonna show that, do you think? Do you think it’s inappropriate if they showed it?

Brian Spin (23:20):


Sevan Matossian (23:21):

Lemme change, change that question. What the fuck does inappropriate mean? Do you think that there’s powers outside of themselves for the reason that they won’t show it? Do you think that they think it, it would look bad for hq? So they’re kind of like trying to protect hq, which I’m not digging them for. Yeah. I do things to try to make people look good or bad all the time.

Brian Spin (23:36):

I, I think that’s, that’s true. And I think the problem is that’s the problem with having it so polished that they interviewed him last week and he had to wait a week, and then things change and, you know, if they had put it out live or, or done it Right. You know, quick turnaround, you would’ve seen it. But they had a weak delay between the, the interview and, and publishing it and we don’t get to see it.

Sevan Matossian (23:58):

And if they would’ve put it up, I probably wouldn’t have watched it. But then after Justin got fired, I probably actually would’ve gone back and watched it.

Brian Spin (24:04):


Sevan Matossian (24:05):

Although there’s a chance, there’s a chance. Um, I, I may have watched it, uh, just cause it’s,

Brian Spin (24:12):

But it’s interesting that they allowed him to have the interview if they knew this was gonna happen.

Sevan Matossian (24:19):

I don’t think Justin did not know.

Brian Spin (24:21):

Yeah. But generally they go through, you know, you get approval for it. I, I don’t know if, you know, maybe he just made the, the straight call to do it, but, um, you know,

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

Here’s my two spin, uh, spin. I don’t think anyone is, there’s, there’s not someone there. I can remember times at HQ when Greg would say, okay, no external media, everyone stop. Meaning you can’t, no one can do any podcasts. I don’t think that that’s, I don’t think that that’s, I don’t think Don or Rose or any of those guys have ever done that, implemented that. I’ve never heard of that. I think that, um, Justin, I think that, uh, Don has actually been pretty explicit in the fact that he doesn’t micromanage and that he just wants people to do their duties. I think it’s, there’s a different word than micromanage. I think that I, I think that, I don’t think, I don’t wanna call it something else. If I say I don’t micromanage, it sounds like I’m a good leader, right? But if I tell you I don’t have oversight on people, it sounds like I’m a bad leader, but those words are kind of interchangeable, right? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So that’s a little scary. You follow me on that young. So, but I don’t think Justin had enough oversight, and I don’t think Justin was giving enough oversight to other people. So I think people like Adrian or Justin or anyone, uh, you, banks or anyone who we saw doing podcasts, I think anyone could have done podcasts. I think anyone can do podcasts. I don’t think a lot of people, I

John Young (25:46):

Think you can have oversight by delegating to the right people, though. Like you have oversight over the people that you’ve delegated to for specific jobs that are getting done or not done.

Sevan Matossian (25:56):

Right. But micromanaging, checking in on people is not micromanaging.

John Young (26:00):

No, I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (26:03):

And, and, and, and so there’s that nuance there. So what I think was happening was, um, oh, I don’t know what happened. I can’t bring Tyler. Oh, there he is. Hey dude, what’s up? Uh, hey, I, I think, I think I, I don’t, what spin is proposing is, is that, um, Justin maybe got that podcast cleared. I want to propose this. I, and I, and I, I feel pretty strongly about it, that he had no idea he was gonna get fired and that he was the boss. And that, except for Don, he only, the only person he ever had to answer to was Don. And that Adam that he got fired and he did not see it coming at all. You’re not, are you, you’re not buying that spin.

Brian Spin (26:38):

Uh, I mean, that has to be, the only only answer is that he didn’t, you know, talked to anybody about before going on. Um, I, I know when I’ve had, uh, Eubanks on, he had to get it, you know?

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

Oh, he did?

Brian Spin (26:51):

Yeah. He, he had to run it up the ladder. I went through, you know, their PR guy guys to get ’em on, so,

Sevan Matossian (26:56):

Okay. All right. Um, all right. I stand corrected.

Brian Spin (26:59):

Maybe, maybe Justin didn’t have the need to because he was the GM of sport, so that’s the only thing I can think of is that he could do what he needed to, but Dave had to run it up the ladder.

Sevan Matossian (27:12):

Wow. Uh, uh, Karina Rain, uh, just because I like that feel, feel free to throw money at me just because Jacqueline Robinson, the seven media group bring back behind the scenes, make media savon again. Yeah. I’m telling you, it would be fucking awesome. I’ll do it. I’ll do it for free. A wa zombie for Brian to fix his 10 inch mic. All right. Very kind to you. How’s your mic doing? Uh, Mr. Watkins? I

Tyler Watkins (27:35):

Don’t know. How’s it sound?

Sevan Matossian (27:37):

Oh God. So good. And look how nice spins, mic looks.

Tyler Watkins (27:41):

He’s got, mine’s a cheap ass. A hundred dollar mike,

Sevan Matossian (27:44):

Dude. And your voice sounds a hundred times deeper than Ben, but mine

Brian Spin (27:47):

Doesn’t. Mine doesn’t work.

Sevan Matossian (27:48):

So spin sounds like he’s running through a tunnel.

John Young (27:51):


Sevan Matossian (27:53):

Um, uh, wad Zombie, uh, John Andrew Hiller said there’s no way you can take him in Fit Wars,

John Young (28:00):

Bring it on and ring muscle ups and chest bar. I’ll give the, I’ll give it to Hiller. I think he’s got me even in his roed up state. But anything other than that, I think I can beat him. Maybe not in a run, but we can’t film that, so that’s okay.

Tyler Watkins (28:13):

If he beats you, you’ll just say he was roed up.

John Young (28:16):

I Roy don’t help you in CrossFit. They just help you in strength. And he still ain’t stronger than me. So it’s, it’s all good.

Sevan Matossian (28:22):

I, I saw him, uh, Hiller workout at the ranch, uh, with a, a running wall ball workout. I, well, maybe Roy’s don’t help you at CrossFit, but he was already good at CrossFit and dude, I’m telling you, the dude is fit. He’s huge.

John Young (28:37):

Oh, no, no fit. He is absolutely. I think he had a better shot at beating me before he got on steroids.

Sevan Matossian (28:44):

Wow. Wow.

John Young (28:46):

I think he was fit. He might not be as strong, but I think he’s probably fitter before then. He’s been podcasting left. Right. I don’t think he’s working out near as much as he used to

Sevan Matossian (28:55):

Call down. Um, what, uh, athletes you guys, uh, interviewed? Um, the guy from Australia, uh, what’s his name? Douglas.

Brian Spin (29:04):

Jake Douglas. Jake Douglas.

Sevan Matossian (29:05):

Jake Douglas and Jake.

John Young (29:06):

Strongest man in CrossFit games.

Sevan Matossian (29:08):

True. That’s true. He’s the strongest game man at CrossFit right now. He’ll be the strongest guy at CrossFit games.

John Young (29:12):

In the CrossFit games. He, you know, one of, if not the strongest guy in the games,

Tyler Watkins (29:18):

We never did did ask him what his raw, like his squat, bench deadlift was like those, I

John Young (29:24):

Think he would would’ve said it though. I think snatch is his best thing, cuz I think he would’ve said it if it, if it was something crazy, you know what I mean? And he said his 3 35 snatch real quick. You know what I mean? So I think snatch is the best thing. Right.

Sevan Matossian (29:37):

And when you say strongest, gimme an idea what you, what you’re talking about, you’re saying like, he has a good bench. He’s he has a good, uh, squat. He, he not only just a back squat, but front squat, overhead squat, just all the standard CrossFit stuff you’re saying. Good clean, good jerk. Good deadlift. The best, not good. The best. Yeah. There’s different, go ahead. There’s different strengths, right? Like it.

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