Athena Perez | Working with Larger Bodies Seminar

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. Oh shit. Bad internet connection already. How am I? Am I good? Volume’s good. Everything’s good. Hey, good morning, Dudley. Good morning, Athena. Hey, see you in a minute. Buster. Ron. Augustus. Busta. Geez, Louise. What’s up, dude? Jake, I saw your video. Very cute. Good morning, Ken. Lots of thoughtful comments from Ken. Always love having you around. Dude. You’re a good dude. You’re a good dude with a good moral compass. I appreciate you. Hey, we had the guy on Bear Lin from Born Primitive, the c e O, the guy who went to Yale. He was a Seal, et cetera, that guy. Someone asked if we had a discount code for the show, and I sent him a text and he wrote back and he said, okay, we’ll give you guys a discount code. I do not know how long it’s going to last.


I think he said 10 days, and that was like four days ago, and I forgot to give it to you guys. I put it in my Instagram and the code is Savage. S A V A G E launch, all one word, L A U N C H, Savage Launch, and you get 10% off, which is if it’s $130 pair of shoes, that’s 13 bucks. So anyway, I thought that was crazy, crazy, crazy cool of him. Who wants to give a discount for a new product that’s going to sell? Great. Anyway, so the discount code is Savage Launch. How’s my Corbin? How’s my internet? Is it good? It says I have two bars. I mean, I’m hardwired in, but it still concerns me that it says that. Am I choppy at all? Am I clear to everyone? Well, I thought you’d never ask Carlos who’s on this morning. There she is. Wasn’t easy week for me. What an easy week. What’s up, girl?

Athena Perez (02:04):


Sevan Matossian (02:05):

Thanks for doing this.

Athena Perez (02:06):

Well, thanks for having me. Always. Did

Sevan Matossian (02:09):

You paint the wall behind you?

Athena Perez (02:12):


Sevan Matossian (02:13):

Oh, you didn’t?

Athena Perez (02:14):


Sevan Matossian (02:17):

I know you’re, you have great attention to detail and I just like it how it’s a white wall and then a molding and then a red wall, and I was just like, okay.

Athena Perez (02:25):

I’m still debating changing out that red color. I keep threatening to paint it blue, but

Sevan Matossian (02:30):

And that wooden thing down on the bottom, that stick, is that a plunger or an ax?

Athena Perez (02:38):

Shit, that

Sevan Matossian (02:39):

Is, please tell me It’s a plunger. I would love it if it was a plunger. Oh

Athena Perez (02:43):

My. No, it’s a butter churn.

Sevan Matossian (02:45):

Oh, I have no idea what that is. We don’t have,

Athena Perez (02:47):

It’s a butter churn.

Sevan Matossian (02:48):

We don’t have those in California.

Athena Perez (02:51):

I never made my own butter, but I liked it.

Sevan Matossian (02:53):

Yeah, you liked the way it looked. Yeah. Yeah, it is cool. Damn. I was so hoping that was a plunger. There must be a joke here that I don’t get. Athena. Is Brian Shaw’s pt? Does he use a butter churn for part of his physical therapy? Brian Shaw’s the strongest man in the world.

Athena Perez (03:15):

Athena is Brian Shaw’s pt. I don’t even know what that means.

Sevan Matossian (03:19):

Like physical therapist. He must’ve made a video where he’s so big, he’s the strongest man in the world. It must’ve been like, they must’ve been using something to loosen his calf, or I’m guessing, or get to his SOAs or

Athena Perez (03:31):

Something. A butter churn. I

Sevan Matossian (03:34):

Have no idea what a churn is for. I have no idea. What is it? Do you know what it is? Do you know what it’s for? What the process is? Is it for making butter or cream or what?

Athena Perez (03:45):

I think so. I don’t know how to use it.

Sevan Matossian (03:48):


Athena Perez (03:49):

I have no idea. Never tried.

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

I’m going to see you on September 30th.

Athena Perez (03:57):

I know. I’m excited. I’m really excited.

Sevan Matossian (04:01):

How many of these seminars have you done?

Athena Perez (04:05):

That’s a good question. I think this is going to be number 10 or 11.

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

It’s fucking amazing. September 30th, Craig Howard’s gym, Diablo, CrossFit, Pleasanton, California. You can fly into San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose, Sacramento. You can find any of those airports. Is there room still available?

Athena Perez (04:32):

There’s a couple spots.

Sevan Matossian (04:34):

And they would go to the website scaled Is that right?

Athena Perez (04:40):

That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (04:49):

And the website’s been around for a few years,

Athena Perez (04:51):

Right? A while. Yeah. It started off with just having the information on the box. And then interesting thing about that though, we had just a landing page for a really long time and we opened up Scaled Nation CrossFit and we were full in the first two weeks, and it was like that ever since. So it was just been this constant waiting list because I just couldn’t take any more people.

Sevan Matossian (05:21):

Our seminar not only covers how to physically train and progress athletes through movements commonly seen in CrossFit and other types of functional fitness training, but also how to educate and empower trainers and gym owners to make their gyms a welcoming and compatible environment for larger bodies.

Athena Perez (05:35):


Sevan Matossian (05:36):

And the L and the B are capitalized.

Athena Perez (05:40):


Sevan Matossian (05:41):

Large bodies. Yep. What’s the A stand for?

Athena Perez (05:44):


Sevan Matossian (05:45):

Athletes. Oh, I like it. Okay. Yeah. I met you originally. You came onto the CrossFit podcast and then you wrote a book called Weightless.

Athena Perez (05:59):

Is that right? Lifting the Weight? That was the first one. Lifting the Weight, the one that you shared last night. That’s the second one coming out, which, thank you, by the way.

Sevan Matossian (06:07):

Oh, that one hasn’t come out yet. Oh, I can’t wait. Is that going to be an audio form too?

Athena Perez (06:12):


Sevan Matossian (06:13):

Okay. Great book. Lifting the Weight. I got it through the Apple Bookstore and listened to the audio book. Great book. Thank you. Great, great, great book. I’m not just saying it because you’re here. What a cool book. Thanks. My mom liked the book. My mom’s a fucking tough critic. Yeah,

Athena Perez (06:32):

It was hard. That was the first time I’d ever learned how to do the audio, and I had no idea just how much went into it. Just how much goes into doing a book and doing audio. And

Sevan Matossian (06:43):

You should consider reading other people’s books. People should consider hiring you to read their books. Great book.

Athena Perez (06:48):

No way.

Sevan Matossian (06:49):


Athena Perez (06:49):

But thank you. But no way.

Sevan Matossian (06:51):


Athena Perez (06:52):

Chaing. There it is.

Sevan Matossian (06:54):

Do you have an agent?

Athena Perez (06:56):

No, but Greg Amundson was my publisher on this one.

Sevan Matossian (07:02):

Oh, okay. Okay.

Athena Perez (07:03):

Yeah. Great guy.

Sevan Matossian (07:05):

Yeah, very well connected

Athena Perez (07:06):

Man. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (07:08):

Clydesdale Media. Athena’s an amazing woman and is doing great things. I totally

Athena Perez (07:12):

Agree. Thank you, Scott.

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

And then here, Lindsay had Del. The book is so good.

Athena Perez (07:22):


Sevan Matossian (07:22):

You. You could even drop that second O and put an L in there. The book is gold, right? That’s the way I saw it at first. Yes. Read the book, had you back on the show. Great conversation. Lots of fun. We are also friends outside of the show. We text, we laugh.

Athena Perez (07:42):

We are. That’s interesting that I don’t think people understand that. We do talk. We are friends.

Sevan Matossian (07:53):

I’m not trying to, well, fine. I’m trying to put myself on a pedestal here, but I don’t have a lot of room for friends either. I’m just constantly going and going, and some people are require in their friendships more than I can give. And you’re such an easy friend. That’s why I said, when I saw that you were on the show, I was like, yes, I just have such an easy week. These are all just people I can just talk to. It’s going to be

Athena Perez (08:15):

Chill and it’s going to be cool.

Sevan Matossian (08:19):

And you have a very crazy, wild, fun life with tons of stimulus. Not only do you have this website and the seminar, but you’re involved in a lot of other things in wild things. Like for instance, I remember last time you said you went to, oh, and I’ll be at this seminar. Lemme finish up with the seminar. September 30th, scaled Nation Seminar. Go to the website scaled, and on the 30th, I’ll also be at that seminar and I’ll be filming, which I’m really, really, really excited about. For a bunch of reasons. New cameras, new people, and this is something that I used to do for CrossFit. I would film their seminars and I felt like it was where I did my best work.

Athena Perez (09:00):

Are you excited to be there? What are you hoping, I mean, other than filming, what is your motivation for being there?

Sevan Matossian (09:13):

On the self-interest part, I’m interested there to show off. I want to be like, Hey, Athena, look what I did. You know what I mean? I want to be like, look how good I got your audio. Look at, I interviewed the participants there. Look at all these powerful stories I got. Look at. Then I can show off to my kids and I can be like, yeah, 10 extra people went to the seminar over the next year of these videos I made, and then they introduced it to a hundred other people, and those people got healthy. My self-interest part is to just flex my muscle and be like, look what I can do. I can participate and get people information in front of them.


And then the service part is obviously, and it’s so mixed with the self-interest part for me, but you’re my friend, and I am so excited. I’m so excited for all the people in my ecosystem that work hard, and I have a lot of people who work hard in my group, and we’re all pretty low maintenance, just hardworking people. We all have our, and I know that I’m giving my energy to the right person. I’m tipping The guy at Starbucks who smiled to me, said hi to my kids, and then told me that, oh, I saw your mom in here yesterday. Hit all those notes. And I know I’m doing that with you too. I know I’m servicing someone who’s going to take my efforts and run with them. So that’s my whole thing. I feel like it’s going to be a perfect Saturday of my life.

Athena Perez (10:53):

It’s awesome. I have hopes and well, I know this is going to be the best course that we’ve done. It’s taken a while just to get it where it’s at right now. So it’s evolved. We were kind of a shit show when we started, but it’s getting better.

Sevan Matossian (11:09):

I remember going to the early seminar, even when I went to the seminar in 2006, the CrossFit game seminar or early 2007, it was a complete shit show. There were 60 participants. Greg did all the lectures, and there were 40 staff who worked it, people who’d been to the seminar before. Complete chaos, but fuck still. You left there just being like, wow, that was awesome. And so you can leave with a, wow, that’s awesome. And it’d still be just chaos. You know what I mean? Still.

Athena Perez (11:35):

That’s true. That’s true.

Sevan Matossian (11:38):

Oh wait, there was something from Ms. Burns. Mrs. Burns raw unpasteurized butter is full of intact fat, soluble fats, A D E K. It also has a ton of active enzymes that aid in digestion and absorption of nutrients, just to name a few benefits. Okay. Oh yeah.

Athena Perez (11:55):

What was that previous one? Show it.

Sevan Matossian (11:57):

Oh, cave Astro, Ken Walters. You were probably eating it with a large number of refined carbohydrates when eating closer to the CrossFit prescription butter in moderation can be absolutely part of it.

Athena Perez (12:10):

They’re talking about, but I can’t see the live chat.

Sevan Matossian (12:13):

Oh, yeah, probably good. You can just a giant distraction. Seon is a paid in flu answer. I don’t get it, but I like it. Whatever. God, I can’t stand that word. That’s one of my trigger words.

Athena Perez (12:31):


Sevan Matossian (12:34):

Can you imagine wanting to be an influencer? Like that being your desire?

Athena Perez (12:38):

Hey, props to those who want to do it. Hey, it’s a big responsibility.

Sevan Matossian (12:43):

Heidi, is she single? Are you single?

Athena Perez (12:46):


Sevan Matossian (12:47):

Yeah. Heidi has to ask.

Athena Perez (12:53):

Get the low down on everyone.

Sevan Matossian (12:57):

So what I want to ask you about is this. There was a, probably didn’t think I’m going to go here. There was a,

Athena Perez (13:06):

I never know where you’re going to go, first of all, so I’m just like, where’s he going to go? Okay.

Sevan Matossian (13:11):

You were invited to DC District of Columbia to testify about voter fraud. You saw, right? Did you work in a, I can’t remember the exact story. Did you work in a balloting booth or a balloting office or,

Athena Perez (13:27):

Yes, but I think these are two separate things getting mixed together.

Sevan Matossian (13:34):


Athena Perez (13:35):

There was the voter anomalies in Minnesota.

Sevan Matossian (13:40):

Wow, that’s very nice of you. That

Athena Perez (13:42):

Happens. There was a group of about 15 or 20 of us that experienced some pretty jinky stuff, but honestly, I think every election season, this has been going on from the beginning of time. So we reported it. They did an investigation. We were asked to give our statements. Yes, obviously, with the hope that they’ll be able to fix these things, they’ll do the investigations and hopefully it won’t happen again. DC was during election week. That was

Sevan Matossian (14:22):

During January 6th. That’s election week, right? No. Oh, okay. What’s election? Oh, no. Election week’s In November.

Athena Perez (14:30):


Sevan Matossian (14:31):


Athena Perez (14:34):

The reason I went, the umbrella that I went, I was doing a book signing, and it just so happened that a lot,

Sevan Matossian (14:43):

We’re doing a big book sighting in District of Columbia in November of election week in the country’s, okay.

Athena Perez (14:51):

Yes. Because one of the groups, I was part of this women’s Christian reading book or a club, and they were all going to DC to do all kinds of prayer things and marches and things like that. So they were all going to be there. And I actually met this group by doing CrossFit, and so there was 20 or 30 ladies that were going to be heading out there, and they’re like, Athena, we want you to come. Can you do this? We’re going to be there. We’ll do a prayer. And I was like, that’s awesome. Yes. So that’s why I was there. Not in January, not to be confused with January. It was in November.

Sevan Matossian (15:33):

So you’re there. Some crazy shit went down during that November, right? Or just normal? I mean, not crazy compared to the bl m riots, but just there were a lot of people there protesting in the streets, right?

Athena Perez (15:48):

I mean, or no, it was actually, so I walk out of the hotel that day, and I had no idea how many things were going on that day. I walk out of the hotel, we get done, we walk up the hill, we go up to the, I forgot what that little area’s called. Everybody goes up there for prayer. So we go up there, we do a prayer, and then everybody kind of disperses. And I walked down, and I was amazed because I had never seen that many people in one place. At one time. I was in awe, but it wasn’t, yes, a Trump rally was happening that day, but there was lots of rallies happening that day. There was every color under the rainbow out there. There was plaque, there was red, there was blue there

Sevan Matossian (16:35):

Every time. But you weren’t there for any of those rallies. You were there for your, I

Athena Perez (16:41):

Guess you hang out, say I was present during what was happening. Yes, but yeah.

Sevan Matossian (16:46):

But you bought a ticket to go out there because of a book signing and some shit you were doing with Christian Reading Group.

Athena Perez (16:50):


Sevan Matossian (16:57):

But then you were then accused, right? Wasn’t there something in the New York Times or somewhere where didn’t somehow CrossFit get involved and CrossFit, someone contacted CrossFit and was like, Hey, you have a bad person in your ranks, like a F B I Agent Athena Perez. A double agent.

Athena Perez (17:13):

Yes. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (17:15):

Can you remind me what happened there?

Athena Perez (17:21):

How do I break this down?

Sevan Matossian (17:24):

I just like it. I like this story because you’re just there in DC and you just get drug just for someone’s fantasy. You get drug into it.

Athena Perez (17:34):

Well, I definitely got drug into the drama. There was literally no drama at the time. Anyway, so, okay, so we’ll tell the story. So I walk outside, I see everything going on. I’m in awe. I’m like, wow. In my mind, I was like, well, this is what our system’s all about. If somebody wants to go protest for any reason, doesn’t matter what side they’re on. We have a country that allows us to do that. And I’m like, awesome.

Sevan Matossian (18:00):

Did it feel safe? It was just like people walking around. I

Athena Perez (18:03):

Didn’t feel unsafe at all. No. Everybody was very nice. I didn’t run into anybody that was yelling or screaming or I know some shit went down that night, but when I was there during the day, everything was beautiful and fine and peaceful. So anyway, so I walk outside my mom, my mom’s like, I want to see, there was a big Trump rally going on. She wanted to see what was going on. So I was like, all right. So I grabbed my phone, I take a picture or I take a video. It was like 15 seconds, and I was like, here. So I posted it on my Facebook and all I said, all I said was, wow. And my mom got to see it, and she was excited, and I’m excited. I’m like, look at this. This is cool. And I never thought anything about it again. And then we went through the election, we went through January. We all know what happened there. We get into the first part of the year,

Sevan Matossian (19:04):

Or we all don’t know what happened there.

Athena Perez (19:06):

Well, there you go. And we get through the chaos and the council has officially formed. And

Sevan Matossian (19:19):

What council? What council?

Athena Perez (19:20):

The D e I council

Sevan Matossian (19:22):

At CrossFit Inc. Yes. Okay.

Athena Perez (19:24):

And there was a reporter, I keep wanting to say T M Z, but it’s not T M Z. It’s another outlet was doing a story on Marjorie Taylor Green, and I’m not sure what the tie-in was to the council, but she’s doing this article on T M Z

Sevan Matossian (19:45):

And she’s across, she worked out at Travis Mayer’s gym, I think, or maybe she used to own it, and Travis bought it from her or something like that. There’s some tie there.

Athena Perez (19:53):

Yeah. I knew there was a tie, and she, she’s definitely vocal, controversial, I

Sevan Matossian (20:00):

Guess. I love her. I like her.

Athena Perez (20:05):

So they were doing this article. They sent me questions and I said, I don’t have a problem interviewing for the article. I’m not sure what it has to do with me. But yeah, so they were asking me questions about the election. Do you feel this? Do you feel that? And they’re like, do you feel like there was voter fraud? Blah, blah, blah. And I’m like, if people want to say or how they feel, I respect whatever they want to say or whatever they want to do. If they want to be out there protesting fine. Again, I was talking about what happened in November. Anyway, so I answered her questions. I sent it back to her in writing because I wanted to make sure that she didn’t take anything. I said out of context,

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

She’s a reporter for which paper? The Times?

Athena Perez (20:48):

No, what?

Sevan Matossian (20:52):

It doesn’t matter. But a newspaper reporter.

Athena Perez (20:55):

It’s very tm. There’s another, I forgot what the other one is. Just, anyway, so I sent the questions back to her, and of course it got taken out of context, wasn’t what I sent her, but I’m like, whatever. Didn’t think much of it. And then it was about a week or two later, I get a call from CrossFit saying, Hey, Athena, there’s this reporter that reached out. There’s some concerns, but don’t worry. We’ll protect you. Protect me from what? Exactly. And of course I’m nervous. I’m like, what happened? I don’t even know what I said. What did I do? And I don’t know what the big deal was other than the article was trying to tie this formation of the council together with this Marjorie Taylor Green article. To this day, I don’t really know what the deal was. But anyway, so I guess there was some controversy, at least in the beginning, that I was conservative leaning, and all of a sudden I’m on this D e I council,

Sevan Matossian (22:23):

And that would be inappropriate that those two wouldn’t go together. The diversity equity inclusion program should not have anyone with conservative values. That was the implication,

Athena Perez (22:36):

I think it might’ve been.

Sevan Matossian (22:41):

What would you consider off the top of your head, if I said, Hey, what are three conservative values? What would you say that they are?

Athena Perez (22:50):

God, country, family.

Sevan Matossian (22:51):

Yeah. Crazy. How could anyone be against that? I guess? How could anyone be against

Athena Perez (23:01):

That? I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (23:07):

At least two of them. At least two of them. I could understand if maybe you want to push back on the God thing, but country and family. My goodness.

Athena Perez (23:17):

Yeah. So my interest in the council was I didn’t know that there was unspoken rules. That there was unspoken rules. I was not aware. Totally unaware, blissfully unaware.

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

What? Unspoken rules, what are the unspoken rules? I

Athena Perez (23:35):

Think that there was some assumptions by definitely a few members of the council that we all had the same belief system. And even though we did, that doesn’t mean that it couldn’t have been a wonderful council.

Sevan Matossian (23:52):

So it’s the same thing that basically what Joe Biden said to that Dude, Charlemagne, if you don’t vote for me, you’re not black. Basically, it was like that. They looked at you, they saw that you wanted to be on the d e I council, and they made the assumption that you would be about whatever that they agreed upon as the things.

Athena Perez (24:16):

I’m not

Sevan Matossian (24:16):

Sure. I’m

Athena Perez (24:17):

Not even sure what those would’ve been, but

Sevan Matossian (24:19):

Well, those things are, I’ll tell you what those things are. Those things are to hire people based on the color of their skin, their genitalia, who’s genitalia that they want in their mouth. So those are two important distinctions, not only the kind of genitalia you have, but who’s genitalia you want to fondle relative to your own. It’s a very bizarre group of people, but that’s true. That’s a foundational element of D E I. That’s a cornerstone. It really is. I’m not saying it to be crass or to be shocking. I’m serious. That is a foundational element. Who’s genitalia you’re attracted to relative to your own, for

Athena Perez (24:55):

People that want to be on the council?

Sevan Matossian (24:57):

Just anyone who’s steeped in that diversity, equity, inclusion movement. You don’t think that that’s true?

Athena Perez (25:04):

I don’t. I don’t.

Sevan Matossian (25:07):

You think color of skin is,

Athena Perez (25:10):

I firmly believe that I met some amazing people.

Sevan Matossian (25:14):

I’m not saying that they’re not amazing. Okay, go

Athena Perez (25:15):

On. Wonderful, wonderful.

Sevan Matossian (25:19):

CrossFit is hiring people based on the color of their skin.

Athena Perez (25:22):

I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (25:23):

Okay. I do. I’m saying I’m making this, I don’t know

Athena Perez (25:26):

Who they’re hiring.

Sevan Matossian (25:27):

Okay. Well, they are. And they never did that when I was there. Never. Not once. And we probably had a more diverse staff, and they’re hiring people based on their, anyway, go on. Sorry. So sorry.

Athena Perez (25:40):

I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (25:41):

Let me ask you this question one more time. What’s that? Just in general, in the world today? I think diversity and equity inclusion, councils in general hire people based on their genitalia and the genitalia that they’re attracted to that they want to be intimate and shower with. I think that that’s a foundational component of d E I councils throughout the world. You disagree with that?

Athena Perez (26:10):

I don’t know that I can agree.

Sevan Matossian (26:12):

Okay. Okay.

Athena Perez (26:14):

Maybe, I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (26:16):

Okay. I know

Athena Perez (26:18):

I to, I wanted to join the council. Just I definitely wanted to represent my little slice of the inclusion pie and make sure that,

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

Which is, what part is that? What part is your pie? I

Athena Perez (26:29):

Mean, I wanted to represent larger bodied athletes and CrossFit. I wanted to make things more accessible. There was lots of things that I was interested in. I was interested in making sure the closed captions got seen through. I was interested in the cost difference between any of the countries south of the border. It’s hard getting equipment. I mean, these are all the things that I was super fascinated with. And then obviously I did have an interest in just making sure that there was balance.

Sevan Matossian (27:02):

Give me an example. The closed caption thing makes sense, right? Yeah. You can’t hear, and so you want to try to make things more accessible for people who can’t hear. So you’re looking for writing on the screen,

Athena Perez (27:15):

But let’s be clear, that initiative started long before the council. Long before the council. I

Sevan Matossian (27:21):

Just, but what would be some of the things that would be inclusive for larger body athletes? What would be something like?

Athena Perez (27:33):

I wanted to get the shirts.

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

Okay, so clothing.

Athena Perez (27:37):

That was one of them.

Sevan Matossian (27:38):

Yeah, sure. Anything else specifically that comes to mind? Was there any language that upset you, that CrossFit used in their level one upsets too strong. Any language you wanted adjusted? Anything like that that you can remember jumps out at you?

Athena Perez (28:03):

I saw nothing wrong with the level one whatsoever. My issue wasn’t with CrossFit training materials at all. Well, there was one. There was one, but that was after the formation of the council. There was one thing that I made a big deal about, regrettably, I shouldn’t have, but I did. Somebody had sent me at one point this new section in the level two that they had just created, and it was this new nutrition section, and I shared it out with my audience, and I was like, what do you guys think about this? I read through it and I was like, Hmm. There was a lot of words that wasn’t sitting right, and I’m like, I don’t like how this sounds. It sounds terrible, but I was like, maybe I’m just getting too emotionally involved in it. So I sent it out and the comments that came back were exactly the same. Now, where I think that I made a big mistake was I didn’t filter that feedback and I took it to the writer and I did not filter it, and I should have,

Sevan Matossian (29:27):

What does that mean? Filter? What did it say? Can you tell us

Athena Perez (29:32):

The feedback? It was not constructive feedback. It was tearing it up. So

Sevan Matossian (29:39):

You got angry and said something more aggressive than in hindsight, you’re like, I should have been less aggressive in my future.

Athena Perez (29:44):

Oh, I hope I don’t cry. I felt awful. I felt really, really terrible that

Sevan Matossian (29:49):

I did that. God, I’m so glad to hear this story. I think of you as so perfect in that domain. The way I see you handle shit is always so I

Athena Perez (29:56):


Sevan Matossian (29:57):

You’re so classy.

Athena Perez (29:58):

I wasn’t raising.

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