#999 – Bear Handlon | Born Primitive CEO

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

I’ll tell you the most intimate thing I could share with you. Bam. We’re live. Good morning everyone. Can you see a screen? Can you see comments or can you see a screen bear?

Bear Handlon (00:11):

No, I just see you and me.

Sevan Matossian (00:13):


Bear Handlon (00:13):

Barry. We’re live. So we’re live. Thanks Alex.

Sevan Matossian (00:17):

But I can’t see anyone. Oh, I did. I saw, was that a rat scree across the

Bear Handlon (00:20):

Bottom? That was one of the guys helping me set it up. Thanks fellas.

Sevan Matossian (00:24):

Dude, to kick. How nice is kick to your backdrop?

Bear Handlon (00:27):

Yeah, not bad. Yeah, we just set the studio up about a month ago for our own podcast, so it’s been a lot of fun. It,

Sevan Matossian (00:34):

It’s sick. So I was wearing a man bun and live on my show. I played one of your clips from the Born primitive Instagram and I saw your shit was down and you look like a lion. And that was it. I told everyone, I said, well, I’m doing that. I’m going their handling route.

Bear Handlon (00:53):

I’ve rocked the man bun as well, particularly at the gym now that I’ve long hair. I didn’t realize how much of a pain in the ass long hair is, so I became the man bun guy at the gym. But yeah, I try to rock it down when we can’t keep it flowing.

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

These guys in the chat tear me up for the man bun. I get tore up, tore. Well that’s

Bear Handlon (01:11):

Probably because they can’t grow long hair, right. I was in the same camp, I never had long hair, so I always made fun of it. But once you get long hair, you realize how practical the man bun is.

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

I was looking at your Instagram and I was looking at some older pictures of you, and at first I’m like, is this two different people’s Instagram? Because you look so different with short hair. You got sort of that Hunter McIntyre look going. Do you know who that is?

Bear Handlon (01:34):

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Sevan Matossian (01:37):

Yeah, it was crazy. I was like, well, lemme see if I can find, I’m not going to fuck with this anyway. Yeah, I was like, wow, is this the same guys? And I had to scroll back up and there weren’t too many transition photos like where your hair was at Medium. Do you curate your Instagram? You pull stuff down and archive? No you don’t? No.

Bear Handlon (01:56):

No. I don’t give much thought to my Instagram. It’s usually pictures of my dog and my daughter and random shit like that. So it’s nothing crazy.

Sevan Matossian (02:06):

You are the owner of the brand, the clothing brand,

Bear Handlon (02:13):


Sevan Matossian (02:14):

The clothing company?

Bear Handlon (02:17):

Yeah, company works, but I like the word brand over company

Sevan Matossian (02:21):

Brand. A born primitive that makes the softest and most comfortable joggers around. Are these called joggers? What are these called?

Bear Handlon (02:33):

Yeah. Yeah, those looked like one of our jogger styles. It looks like you got the heavier versions on, so it must be cold wherever you are. But yeah, our joggers have been crazy, crazy popular.

Sevan Matossian (02:42):

These are the heavy ones. These things are so silky smooth and you want to know. The truth is, I used to wear them out and then I started, every time I passed in front of the mirror I could see my cocking balls and so I started making a more of a home. I warm out this morning to get my coffee, but I’m not going to kids’ events in ’em anymore.

Bear Handlon (03:00):

Well, if you wear underwear you’d probably be all right, but if you probably were not. I’m guessing, but that’s all good.

Sevan Matossian (03:06):

Alright. Alright. Maybe I was wearing underwear, but I have a giant hog, but maybe I’ll wear something with more compression.

Bear Handlon (03:14):

There it is. Yeah, yeah, tuck it in.

Sevan Matossian (03:17):

Okay. There is a way to warn born primitive pants if you have a giant hog. I just haven’t cracked the code alert. Look, Heidi already wants to see. So this is the comments. Heidi’s warning everyone a hog alert. See, can you see the comment? Can you see it?

Bear Handlon (03:32):

I see I can now. Yeah, lower left. I see the comment. Yeah, I’ve never done a live one like this, so this is a change of pace for me for sure.

Sevan Matossian (03:40):

I want to start at the end. Why did you start a podcast?

Bear Handlon (03:46):

Honestly, I thought it was an opportunity for us to do long form content that we could kind of dive into just a variety of topics and also hopefully through that content allow people to know a little bit more about what Born Primitive is all about and our mindset and what we stand for. But yeah, it was just something we’ve been talking about for a really long time and we just had been putting it off and honestly it’s kind of fun. We have some really cool guest lined up. We just interviewed Dave Castro yesterday or that just aired this morning, but interviewed last week. So it’s just fun to talk to different people, hear different perspectives and try to just share that with other people. And I think we’re all, we share a lot of common experiences and difficulties, so to be able to have a longer forum to just get into that, it’s been a lot of fun.

Sevan Matossian (04:36):

You were at Red Bull and isn’t their whole thing shorter content, like short content, flashy content if you’re trying to sell something, isn’t the whole world going shorter, shorter, shorter?

Bear Handlon (04:46):

I think they do both. Definitely. If you follow their Instagram page, which is absolutely epic, they do a very good job with a lot of that short form content, but they also in their media house, and I haven’t been there obviously in hot minutes, so I’m kind of assuming these things are still true, but they would do long form films if you remember The Art of Flight, the snowboarding film and things like that where they’re just absolutely epic and 90 minutes or so. So I think they kind of do both ends of the spectrum when it comes to content. But on their Instagram particularly, I mean they’ll do a quick 62nd clip of just the wildest things and I’m sure it gets millions and millions of views.

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

I’m tripping on this. Well, I’m tripping on this medium, the podcast medium. It is so long and I’ve been doing it every single morning at 7:00 AM live for let’s say two years, maybe it’s two and a half years, maybe it’s under two years. I can’t remember exactly. And the growth is crazy slow from my perspective. Crazy, crazy slow. But if you’re consistent and you do a shitload of it and you engage the people and you kind of take risks and you don’t become complacent, you can grow and it can be slow and you can kind of build I guess a community. That wasn’t my plan. That’s just what my observation in hindsight, things like sometimes now I do voices. I never used to do voices before, so if I were to talk to you bear and I would be like, Hey, my mom talked to me today. I’d be like, oh bear, you should have heard my mom today. Savon, don’t swear on your podcast. I would never take a risk and do that before. Right. Do you have a plan? I’m just trying. Here’s the part. I’m having trouble getting my head wrapped around. This is all I do. How are you going to run a clothing company, raise your daughter and do a podcast?

Bear Handlon (06:43):

Good question. I think I have a tendency to bite off a little bit more than I can chew, but we have a really good production company, ironclad that kind of tees everything up for us and gives us the talking notes for if we’re interviewing someone. Of course, like somebody like Dave, I already knew everything so I didn’t need to read the cheat sheet, but they help us line up the guests, they do, they help us set up the studio. So for me it’s one of those things I don’t want to over prepare. I just want to get in and just make it be natural and then get back to my other job. And so I’m trying to make it so it doesn’t take over my c e o duties, but I think it’s an opportunity to reach a lot of people, have them resonate with our brand. There’s only so much you can see in quick 62nd clips and the copy and our captions and on our website and stuff. But to be able to hear us do long form for 30 or 40 minutes every week, I think people will really get to know who we are and how we’re wired over here.

Sevan Matossian (07:45):

Will that be the cadence? Once a week?

Bear Handlon (07:47):

Yeah, I think we’re going to do every Tuesday morning at 5:00 AM we’ll be the cadence. We’ll either drop one or two every Tuesday morning and then we have a bunch of guests teed up. We’re getting some really cool guests, a lot of interest. I think it helped because, and I don’t know how any of this works, but in our first week we got into the top 25 on the charts. So now when we reach out to guest acquisition, it’s not like some garage podcast. We have a real studio and this is a real thing and we take it seriously. So I think we will start hopefully getting some momentum. We got Rich Froning coming on. We just did Ariel Lowen. That was a great interview. She’s awesome. We got Tim Ferris. Tim Ferris confirmed, which that’s an interesting one. Looks like Riley Gaines is going to come on to talk about women’s sports. So some cool topics. I think in this world, as you probably know, you probably got to be a little careful, but I don’t really plan on being careful. I just want to be us. I don’t want to be abrasive in any way, but I also don’t want to filter what we say because I think people want to hear content that’s real and relatable.

Sevan Matossian (08:51):

And the YouTube station that I just went to has been around for a while, so it’s not like it’s a new YouTube station, it’s just new content on the YouTube station. You guys have some videos on there that have some enormous numbers on ’em?

Bear Handlon (09:04):

Yeah, our YouTube is okay. That’s really not ever been a point of emphasis and in hindsight I wish we had built that earlier on, but hopefully this, obviously every episode will get dropped on YouTube and Spotify and Apple and all the normal spots. So hopefully this will get more eyes to the YouTube channel. We have some cool videos we’ve posted, but it was never consistent where every week we’re posting different content. It was like we would do three or four cool videos a year and that was it on that platform.

Sevan Matossian (09:36):

As you release new products and stuff, are you going to be like, you have a shoe on the table there? Is that a new shoe?

Bear Handlon (09:41):

Yes, so we haven’t really plugged much yet. But yeah, this is our, if we can see it in the light, this is our new Savage one training shoe launches September 8th. And yeah, so little by little we’ll probably incorporate stuff like that. We’re really stoked on this. I had been wanting to do a shoe for a very long time. I have always been doing CrossFit. I competed in CrossFit and I just thought there was an opportunity to improve the footwear based on some of the different shoes I had been wearing. So I finally found some shoe engineers and we spent about two years developing it and we finally took a swing. Yeah, well there you go. That’s a good shot of that. It’s a great picture too. I’m a little biased, but we have tested it quite a bit. I think it’s a great shoe and we have all of our employees wearing it and a bunch of athletes wearing it. And the early responses has been incredible. And we’ll officially be in the footwear game here in a couple of weeks.

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

A big shoebox, I dunno if you would call me shoe sno or shoe purist, but I cannot wear shoes that don’t have a big toe box basically. Ever since I started wearing the nano twos, I was just spoiled. I can’t do anything else. My toes just, but your shoebox looks huge.

Bear Handlon (10:51):

Yeah, yeah. The tow box we, her toe

Sevan Matossian (10:53):

Box, sorry,

Bear Handlon (10:53):

Offer for that exact reason. We made it bigger. And honestly as part of the inspirational design when I started talking with the shoe engineers is I really liked the nano two, but I thought it wasn’t quite durable enough. And I like to wear the nano twos with just going to the grocery store, things like that. I don’t necessarily like training in them because once they break in they’re too flimsy, but it’s still a great shoe. I think that’s the best nano they ever made. So that was kind of the basis for kind the thought process in the beginning is let’s start with that and let’s build features that we think will make this way better, dude, and make it more technical. I’m getting a

Sevan Matossian (11:32):


Bear Handlon (11:33):

There you go. We’ll talk after. We can make that happen. I might know a guy

Sevan Matossian (11:38):

Crazy. So really the nano two is inspiration for the shoe. You’re not pulling my leg

Bear Handlon (11:43):

As someone who has worn every nano in four or five different, that was at least a talking point. I really liked. One of the, I think it was the Metcon five I think was my favorite shoe ever before they started getting crazy bulky, and again, it was at a four or five, you could actually still run in it. You could actually bend it. I dunno if you’ve like the current metcons, when you get it, it’s an absolute brick. And they have this, they totally, in my opinion, it’s one man talking over-engineered it. There’s stuff on the heel for going up the wall, which is like, okay, cool, but we don’t need to add four ounces to the shoe to have a piece of plastic. So I can slide up a wall on a handstand pushup. I don’t need a giant rope climb thing on the inside of the shoe.


That makes it totally different. Yes, we do rope climbs, but we’re not fast roping. We’re not burning down a rope. This is not a military application. So personally for me, I was like, man, this, they had a great one. Stick with it. And same thing with the nano. I thought there were some great ones and then the next one would come out and you would get it. And what were they thinking? The other one was great and it would be a totally different shoe. And so that was kind of what motivated me to say, Hey, I think we can do this ourselves and let’s take a swing at it.

Sevan Matossian (12:57):

Who made a shoe that very similar to the nano two was a vitos? Are you familiar with that brand?

Bear Handlon (13:02):

Yes, I’ve heard of it.

Sevan Matossian (13:03):

The Gun Slinger brand, and basically they made one a shoe called the Core, and then they made a core two. And the core two is too robust for me. The core is a great shoe. The problem is, it’s funny that you talk about the nano two not being durable enough. I have nano twos that are 10 years old. I would burn through a pair of cores in a month, and I’m a fucking old man. It’s not like I do crazy shit, but even the rubber on the bottom was so soft that I would go down into a skate bowl and then I wouldn’t be able to get out. I’d be sliding because within a month or two I would just burn through the bottom of the vitto and then sometimes they would start peeling apart and shit. But a super wide shoe also, it looks very similar to this. Your shoe looks crazy. Low profile too. It looks awesome, dude. Sexy.

Bear Handlon (13:43):

Thank you. Yeah, the drop is pretty minimal. So I basically wanted to create a shoe. If you were going to do four hundreds or eight hundreds in your workout and box jumps and things like that, it can still accommodate the workout because I would wear my metcons. I think the last Metcon when I stopped buying them was the seven. And it’s still a very bulky shoe. If I had four hundreds in the workout, I would have to switch shoes, right? But I liked them for squatting and I liked the stability of the MetCom, but anything dynamic, in my opinion, it was no good. So I was like, all right, we need to create a shoe. If I’m going to go in and do overhead squats, box jumps of 400, a rope climb, it needs to be able to do all of that. No one should ever have to change their shoes.


Now obviously if you’re doing Olympic lifting and you’re really serious about it, throw on some lifters of course. But for 99% of the population, if you’re hitting five by five back squat, you don’t need to change your shoes. So that was kind of the thought process, and that’s how I tested it. We had five or six different prototypes that we went through, and then I would take it to the gym, come back and say, no, this is no good. The heel’s too stiff. The toe box needs to be widened. And another cool thing we incorporate is on the insole, the back half of the insole is a more dense foam and it transitions halfway through. So on the front of your foot it’s more cushy. So when you’re accelerating, jumping, et cetera, you’ll get more kind of shock absorption. But then when you’re squatting and stuff, you don’t want that big squishy insole that will kind of absorb some of your power. So even just little technical components like that, we really try to think it through.

Sevan Matossian (15:13):

Allegra, our great brand born Primitive, been a big fan of Born Primitive for a while. Great podcast they had with Dave yesterday. I agree. Dave even told me he had fun on there, which is weird. I definitely liked that you asked him the hard questions. Too many people are afraid too anymore. It’s funny, Allegra, when Dave got off that podcast with him last week, he goes, dude, finally someone pushed me. Everyone wasn’t a pussy like you. Like, oh, thanks Dave. Great, that’s really cool you to call me and lemme know. That’s really cool. Can’t wait for the next time you come on.

Bear Handlon (15:44):

Yeah, Dave was a great guest. Him and I have ran into each other a few times at events over the years, but I knew he wouldn’t remember me because I was just another vendor. But yeah, with great podcasts. And I told him in the beginning before we went live, Hey man, is there anything off limits? And he said, no, man, just send it and I’ll answer it honestly. And you don’t need to worry about that. So that was cool. I didn’t want to feel like I was blindsiding him with a gotcha question or clickbait type stuff. So he was a pro and we had a good time with it.

Sevan Matossian (16:13):

He’s taught me a lot. I’m not ready to answer that or I don’t want to answer that or next question is a skill that he has taught me. And the first thing it requires is conscious listening. So when someone asks you something, you can be smart about your answer, not be fake or be overly thought out. But hey, I’ll tell you the thing. People in the comments here, we’ll put Mary, what is it, Mary Fuck Kill? They’ll give a dollar 99 and they’ll say, Mary Fuck Kill. And they’ll say three people’s name. You know what I mean? Like the Rock a John Cena or Seon. And normally when people would do that, I would ask my guests, they paid a dollar 99 and I got to ask because I’m a whore for a dollar 99, I’ll ask anything. And Dave was one of the only guests ever. He kind of set the trend to be like, Hey dude, I’m not answering that. And I was like, wow. You know what I mean? He’s like, no. And I was like, wow. Seals do it different. They can’t be bought for a dollar 99.

Bear Handlon (17:17):

Yeah, well, and he did that yesterday and I think it’s a smart move because particularly a lot of times you still have to gather more information before you can maybe have a stance on something or maybe things are playing out in real time and it’s okay to not have an official stance. You know what I mean? And I think a lot of times, especially in interviews, you’re not willing to take a pause to just think through it, and then you just end up just spouting something out that maybe you didn’t fully think through. And then you have to deal with the repercussions on the back. And with Dave being in the public spotlight a lot, I’m sure he learned through maybe doing it the wrong a few times of, Hey, I’m not obligated to answer every question. I don’t need to do that. And I think it’s a smart way to do it.

Sevan Matossian (17:56):

I like it that he says that he’s honest about why he’s not answering. I also realize he doesn’t own the company and I am sort of buying the fact that he doesn’t want to give an answer like Floyd 19 that would fuck with some of the affiliates who can’t handle the smoke. You know what I mean? I get it. People are trying to run small businesses and that was, but on the other hand, Dana White will be like, my brand value from the U F C is the way Dana White talks. Dana, will you ever allow women to fight in the U F C? Fuck no. Never. Then three years later, he walks it back, actually, yeah, we do let women fight. Or Dana, will you let men and women fight each other in the U ffc? Never are you fucking insane. Men are ruining women’s sports. Get the fuck out of there. You know what I mean? And I heard you say in a podcast somewhere, don’t try to be everything to everyone. You’ll fuck your shit up in his answer. I hear a little bit of that, and I do think Don has that.


I’ve never mentioned a shortcoming Don has. Well, except that he’s extremely nice. But think it falls along with that. I think that’s the shortcoming that CrossFit has. Hey, anybody can do it, but this is an accountability brand and you have to put your foot down. You’re not being accountable for who you are as a man and a woman. If you’re going to fucking let women or men participate in women’s sports, it’s not right. It’s not right. Why even have women’s sports then? Let’s just be honest then and just get rid of women’s sports and men’s sports and just have one. I don’t know. I think that there’s a missed opportunity for brand there, but I also respect him for not giving a bullshit answer. Well, these are very sensitive times. You know what I mean? He didn’t do that.

Bear Handlon (19:46):

Yeah, I totally agree. And that’s something we’ve wrestled with over the years. Early on, we’re coming up on the 10 year mark, but the first five years

Sevan Matossian (19:53):

It was congrats, by the way. Sick. Thank

Bear Handlon (19:56):

You. Thank you. But yeah, first five years it was just us in the garage. No employees took over the whole house. And because you’re holding on so tight, you can be a little timid in kind of projecting your brand values because I think you do want to try to speak to everyone. And you realize as this has evolved, I realize that’s the exact opposite of what you should be doing. You should be proud of your brand values and be willing to put ’em out there. And if people don’t resonate with that, that’s okay. We’re a patriotic company. We’re always going to support our military and first responder communities, and we’re always going to reject that victim mentality that has, I believe, infected our society. And we’re going to embrace hard work chasing your dreams. And if people have a problem with that, then that’s okay. Go shop Nike. They’d love to have you, but I have gotten more confident. They

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

Sure would. They sure.

Bear Handlon (20:47):

And now that we’re coming up on 10 years and we’re past, in my mind the proof of concepts, I’m a little more comfortable. I’m okay being like, no guys, this is how we roll. They can take it or leave it. Don’t worry about it. And same thing with the podcast. There’s going to be a lot of topics we’re going to cover on there that people might say, oh, well, that c e o, his opinions are crap. And that’s fine, but there’s going to be a lot of people that are going to listen and they’re go, hell yeah. Finally someone fucking said it. And that’s why we have Riley Gaines, I think coming on pretty soon to talk about women’s sports. And she’s been an absolute champion for the cause of fairness in women’s sports, and it took a tremendous amount of courage. But there’s a reason a guest like that is coming on our podcast. I’m not going to not give my stance with her honestly in alignment with her because I agree with you, and I think some brands need to stop being so careful and give their true stance. And I do agree with you. I totally understand Dave’s answer, particularly because he’s not an official spokesperson of CrossFits. So that was a smart move, not answering that,

Sevan Matossian (21:53):

And he’s honest why he didn’t answer it. A lot of people in his position would’ve given the jargon, corporate douchebag, executive answer, but this is a fucking seal, former seal. He’s not playing that fucking game.

Bear Handlon (22:07):

Exactly. And I do think it’ll come up, and I don’t understand how it’s even a controversy. If you have a three 15 pound bar and then a 245 pound bar and they’re doing 50 dead lifts as a buy-in to get to the next movement, and a guy who’s a biological male is able to go to the women’s bar that clearly has a physiological advantage. No one can dispute that. How would we ever allow that? Particularly what really gets me, and I think Riley Gaines spoke to this, and I’m sure it’s like you look at women swimming, anyone who’s seen how swimmers train, they’re nuts, man. They’re getting into the pool at like five in the morning. They do thousands of yards and then they go back, they do two sessions, and some of ’em are doing it since they’re six years old. They get to the collegiate level, they’ve dedicated their entire life to training.


And if sacrificed a ton, and then all of a sudden a gentleman who has a physiological advantage can step in at the last second and podium and pump someone off the podium. What a smack in the face to all the girls that had trained their whole life for that moment, and they were just robbed of it. Imagine the same thing in CrossFit. We know how hard those girls train. That’s life. I mean, they’re spending four or five hours in the day. They got dieticians and they got float tub and then sauna and massage. I mean, they are totally dedicated in finding that 1% everywhere. And a guy can come in on a 245 pound bar and rip 50 deadlifts on broken when it should have been a three 15 and that now that girl’s dreams are, you know what I mean? So I think you have to frame it up in that.


And it’s not to say people don’t have the freedom to make that personal decision. I have no issues with that. And I think a lot of us don’t like, Hey, we’re not saying don’t go do that all good be you. We’re a free country sort of thing. But as soon as it starts affecting the happiness of other people, that’s where it becomes an argument. And that’s where I think we need to draw a line. And I don’t think it’s an unreasonable line. I think most common sense people, maybe they won’t project it publicly, but in their living rooms talking to their spouse and to their neighbor, everyone thinks that in my opinion,

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

We need to agree on some objective reality. And I’m totally okay with what some people would call the double standard, but we are not the same. I am okay with women using the men’s bathroom. I’m okay with women in men’s sports if they want to do it. There’s actually a law in California that if you have a bathroom at your facility and a pregnant woman wants to use it, you cannot say no. And I’m okay with these fucking things. I’m a hundred percent okay. We are not the same. There aren’t women by the droves committing the crimes that men are committing. We are a different breed. We are either men have, this is a little bit of hyperbole, but not much. Men have two modes. They’re either courting or they’re either courting or they’re always courting. Whether you’re designing a shoe, inventing a light bulb or fighting, you’re courting. It’s something you’re doing in the meantime to try to attract someone to mate with perfectly. I’m almost think it’s not hyperbole. If you’re between the age of 13 and 38, you, you’re in constant courting mode. And men need to be kept busy and doing some shit. And one of those things is not to be fucking competing against women.


That’s one of our jobs to protect our cohort, our peer that we’re supposed to be mating with. I just feel so strongly about it. Maybe I have boys, I want, you know what I mean? Do you have any boys? Well, you have a girl, you’re more important.

Bear Handlon (25:41):

And so now I feel like I have even more skin in the game as all these things arise because she might be 15, 16, and all of a sudden she’s saying, dad, who’s this guy that is now winning the sporting event? You know what I mean? And I have to try to explain that. And it’s unfortunate. I don’t think it should be a political issue, but as you know, everything becomes political and everyone takes an aside. And it’s like, guys, it doesn’t always have to be black and white. These aren’t political things. So can we get some common sense for once?

Sevan Matossian (26:15):

Let me ask you this, if it’s not a political, here’s the thing. I’m raised hardcore liberal tree hugger, environmentalist, love everyone, let women kill their babies if they want to. I was full blown liberal. And then some things started happening that I started tripping on letting dudes, I think it was even Riley Gaines, she said that because they’d be in the locker room 18 times a week, there were women in there seeing that dude’s penis 18 times a week. Our car insurance is more, we’re okay charging boys more money for car insurance. Do you understand? We extrapolate from that what we’re capable of. Then I started seeing the stuff where they were calling Trump racist because he said that he didn’t, he thought that Mexico was sending over its bad citizens, and somehow that was considered racist. And I started hearing all of these things, and then obviously with the Obamacare and all the poor people I know who were getting actually free insurance, free healthcare, we’re now having to pay for it. And I started looking into things. And so you say it’s not political, but I do have to abandon a party that supports child general mutilation. You know what I mean? Even if I’m not a Republican, I have to vote Republican to stop child general mutilation.

Bear Handlon (27:46):

I think we’re starting to see that, and that’s the beauty of at least living in a democracy is you do have the ability to change your party and vote for who you support. And on that topic, once again, it’s the thing, it’s like, alright, if you want to do that as an adult, and I can’t personally relate to that. I really, I’m a dude, I’m as dude as they come, so I’m not going to say someone 25 years old is that it’s having kind of an identity crisis that wants to transition again. Hey, we live in a free country, go ahead and do that. But I think again, where the line is is when you start confusing our youth, if you think back to when we were nine or 10 years old, at least for me, nine to 10 year olds do not have a lot of confidence. They’re very impressionable. Typically, there’s a kid in the class that is the leader and everyone just wants to emulate what he does or her. And you all wear the same stuff. If you go in a middle school,

Sevan Matossian (28:38):

It’s usually some kid who’s had some crazy hardship at home too, right? It’s like the kid getting beaten by his dad’s the leader in the class, he’s already had to grow up, right?

Bear Handlon (28:46):

Yeah. Well, and you look at, they all wear the same stuff. I have a niece and they all wear the white high top Nikes and they all literally look identical. So there’s clearly a, in effect where there’s a herd mentality because they don’t have self-confidence yet. Right? And I’ve joked with a few friends, it’s like, imagine if we took the identity of who we are when we were 12 years old and it was frozen and made permanent. Imagine the goth kid that was going through a phase that had the spikes in his ears and the black mohawk and the giant genco jeans and the dog collar necklace and the black fingernails. You know what I mean? Imagine that kid when he was 11, it was made permanent and said, all right, dude, for the next 80 years, this is what you’re going to look like and go get a job, go try to interview, go to try to get a girlfriend, and that sort of thing When you’re 30 looking like that. And that’s obviously there’s some satire in that example, but now we’re talking about changing someone’s gender. So how is that possibly allowed? I have to get a waiver to join the military if I’m 17 from my parents, but you’re telling me that I can, without the knowledge of my parents consider a transition when I’m 12 years old. Again, this is.

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