#987 – Jason Khalipa & Rich Froning

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live. Good morning. I thought I was late. Mr. Gpa, where are you? Hey guys, what’s up? Geez, Louis. Good morning. There he is. I see him. He’s coming in. There he is. Working out, taking a shower. You working out? Taking a shower?

Jason Khalipa (00:25):


Sevan Matossian (00:26):

You working out? You’re taking a shower?

Jason Khalipa (00:28):

Are you working out? You taking a shower? Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:30):

I took a shower.

Jason Khalipa (00:32):

You did? Take a shower.

Sevan Matossian (00:33):

And then I got all into this casual conversation with my wife, and I’m like, oh shit. I’m going to talk to Jason in two minutes,

Jason Khalipa (00:39):

Bro. You got to be ready for it. I, I have not taken a shower yet today. I was in the garage getting a little something. And now we’re right here. Are we live? Are we live?

Sevan Matossian (00:51):

We are live. Hey, do you prefer to, I used to have this kind of, almost this need. My armor was to be at least work out within 30 minutes of doing a podcast. So I would be sharp, sharper than my guest. It was like cheesy, you know what I mean? I’m going to be sharper than my guest and I’ll work out.

Jason Khalipa (01:10):

Yeah, it’s like a cheat code, right? Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

Because it’s early. It’s 7:00 AM at your house. So you already worked out. Yeah.

Jason Khalipa (01:17):

Crazy. Well, no, for me, I mean, to be fair, I, my morning routine, especially when the kids are back to school, they went back to school recently. Yesterday. I don’t get after it in the morning, but I go in the garage this morning at six. We were in the garage and I just do some reverse hyper. I do some stretch. I do some basic bike as the kids are getting after it. So I’m coaching them. I’m coaching Ava in particular, and then I’m just moving, getting my body ready. I train hard later in the day.

Sevan Matossian (01:48):

Your daughter already has been in the gym today?

Jason Khalipa (01:51):

Every day.

Sevan Matossian (01:52):

Every day. But ATS 7 0 2. I just kissed my kids. They were in bed.

Jason Khalipa (01:56):

Yeah. I mean she, every day she’s just in there in the morning. Yeah. Jumpstarts her day. And even worse than that, and it makes me feel like a lazy piece of garbage. Even worse than that is that she does a cold plunge every day, which is just crazy.

Sevan Matossian (02:10):

She’s already done a cold plunge.

Jason Khalipa (02:13):

Yeah, no, I’m serious. It makes me feel like a piece of garbage, man, because hey,

Sevan Matossian (02:18):

Do you see her get high from that? You do see that? You see, oh shit, my daughter just did a line of blow. Do you see her go in and come out and she’s on fire?

Jason Khalipa (02:28):

No. You just see a total mood change. It just sets the tone for the day. Yeah, it’s definitely different for sure. I just put on comments now I see that we are live. I wasn’t

Sevan Matossian (02:38):

Don’t do it. Jason.

Jason Khalipa (02:40):

Oh, I’m getting off the comments. I’m getting off the comments.

Sevan Matossian (02:41):

No, I’m joking. I’m joking. I’m joking. Do it. Do it. I

Jason Khalipa (02:44):

Love it. Good morning. That’s a good day. But yeah, no, now that we’re back at school, that’s kind of a routine. Before, during the summer and stuff, we were traveling out, we were doing different things, so it was just a little bit different.

Sevan Matossian (02:55):

Hey, tell me about your kids going to school. I got this. I see school as this indoctrination camp, and I see it as the bad guy. What do you do with school? How come you don’t see it? The way I see it?

Jason Khalipa (03:11):

What do I do? Oh, you mean homeschooling?

Sevan Matossian (03:13):

Yeah. Why do you send your kids to school? I see the school as bad guys. I’m like, oh my God, they’re going to teach my kids some shit that’s either not true that they’re going to believe or they’re going to teach ’em something that I don’t think is age appropriate. And by the way, I wasn’t born like this. I was like, fuck, if you don’t send your kids to school, you’re a weirdo. So I kind of, I’ve made this journey. What do you like about school for

Jason Khalipa (03:37):

Your kids? Oh man. That is such a deep question. So I

Sevan Matossian (03:41):

Would say you’ve already worked out. Gloves are off. Dude, I’m fucking coming at you full. Hey, I actually wrote my questions of kind of niceness to assholeness. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this one’s not even on the list. I’m just went

Jason Khalipa (03:52):

Straight. I’m start off by warming this guy up and then I’m just going to give it to him. You know what it is? So Matt Boudreaux, right? Yeah. And his model’s a little bit more progressive in the sense of

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

I love his schools, I love his schools.

Jason Khalipa (04:07):

The Acton Academies, an Apogee Strong. What he’s doing there is pretty remarkable, right? But to answer your question, I think that,

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

Is that where your kids go?

Jason Khalipa (04:16):

No. Oh, okay. My kids go to a normal private school. And to answer your question, I think that there’s varying degrees. So I’ll give you an example. Maybe this isn’t the best example. You only have a certain amount of discipline bucket. So imagine you have a bucket of discipline, and during the day, you only can expend so much before it’s just gone. For me, I use that discipline on things like training, on things, like eating well on things like whatever. But some days I don’t have the discipline and I’ll admit it to do a double day or to go on the cold plunge. I just don’t have the discipline. I don’t have it in me because I’ve just used it up on all this other stuff. And when you think about with school, it’s a completely different analogy. It’s like there’s only so much you could be progressive in thought process and where you want to go. And I think we do a lot of things to try and get there, but taking traditional schooling and not going that route, it was just a step too far for us. Right now, I think the school we go to has a good blend of good morals, good character. Good.

Sevan Matossian (05:17):

Is it a religious school?

Jason Khalipa (05:18):

Yeah, it is. So it’s a private Catholic school, but force fed, it’s not aggressive. It just teaches good morals, good ethics, treat people well, and the people there. What I like about the school is that the parents are trying to lift each other up, is what I get is it’s not like a battle between, oh, you’re rich or you’re poor. You do this, you’re a mechanic, whatever. No, no, no. How can we support this community to level us all up? Because it’s a small community. So for those of

Sevan Matossian (05:50):

You, how many kids? How many kids in what? 200. And both of your kids go to the same school?

Jason Khalipa (05:55):

So it’s like

Sevan Matossian (05:56):

TK dress code.

Jason Khalipa (05:57):


Sevan Matossian (05:58):

Okay. I love it. I love it

Jason Khalipa (06:00):

Already. I guess the reason why I brought the discipline thing is that when it comes to my relationship with my wife and my family and my kids, there are certain things that I really strive for regularly exercising, going out there, doing different things, really trying to be progressive in the way that we’re trying to raise the kids and think about it in terms of life is going to be hard and we need to try and expose ’em to things, but when it comes to school, I feel like we found the right fit for us. But if other people want to do acting academy or homeschooling, like rock and roll, but I think that we’re getting a lot out of this school.

Sevan Matossian (06:34):

School. Yeah. Mike Pool. Boy, I went to Valley Christian High School in San Jose, and I’d agree they weren’t aggressive in terms of shoving the Bible down our throats. I don’t even mind that actually. But even though I’m not a religious person, I wish I had more Bible shoved down my throat. I wish I knew more about the Bible. But Is that the school your kids go to? The one he just mentioned?

Jason Khalipa (06:56):

No, no. I went to Oh, Christian. So Valley Christian High School is like, no, that’s a high school. There is a feeder school that goes into it. But no, I mean, my wife and I, we met at a private Catholic school called Archbishop, and then we went to a Jesuit university, Santa Clara University. So we’ve had that background too. It’s what’s normal for us. It’s what we’ve known. So that’s one of the reasons I think we’ve explored that for the kids, but it’s also what you make it, man. Dude, I’m heavily active in the men’s club. We are fully engaged when it comes to assistant coaches for the teams. We are there all the time. And so we get to meet parents and get to surround ourselves with good parents, with good families to level up.

Sevan Matossian (07:38):

Yeah. Hey, you like spending time with your parents?

Jason Khalipa (07:42):

With my parents, yeah. My parents are awesome, man. And so are my wife’s parents. They’re awesome too. We’re super blessed, dude.

Sevan Matossian (07:51):

Some kids don’t want to spend time with their parents.

Jason Khalipa (07:54):

Oh, that’s right. Yeah. I mean, I’d like to think, and Matt Boudreaux and I actually, we just released a podcast today with him about factory reset. So if you think about it, when your kids are born, it’s like a factory reset. They’re like at zero, and then they have all these inputs into them, and you’re a part of those inputs. Now, if you send ’em to school, obviously there’s a bunch of other inputs that come from there, but I think that we have the opportunity to guide and to control those inputs. And according to Matt, and I agree with him, like, dude, his kids are 12, 13, so are ours a little bit older, and they seem to still like us. I think it’s because we’re developing that relationship. You are with your kids, man, I see it. You’re engaged, dude. You show up. And I think that’s going to create, I think this idea that as your kids get older, you don’t have a relationship. I think maybe it’s because when they were younger, you didn’t develop it the right way, perhaps. I don’t know. I’ll find out.

Sevan Matossian (08:52):

My mom told me that. My mom said, she said, you’re going to have a great relationship with your kids. I said, why do you say that? She said, because if you invest time in them now, when you get older, they’ll put that time back into you. And I see it when I wake up in the morning, my mom lives in the area. When I wake up in the morning, I always think, oh, I wonder what she’s doing. I wonder what I can include her in today. I want to hang out with her. You know what I mean? I want to shoot the shit with her. I call her just like a friend and just shoot the shit with her. Just whatever,

Jason Khalipa (09:18):

A hundred percent man. And I see what you’re doing, and I think it’s inspiring and it’s inspiring for me. And I’m trying to lead by example and do the same thing because you only get one shot at this, and I want to make sure that I don’t look back on it later on and be like, damn, I could have done something better. Especially when it comes to being a parent. And it’s not always easy, man. There’s a lot of, it’s not easy, but I think as long as you’re showing up and you’re trying your best, you’re going to get better every day.

Sevan Matossian (09:43):

Hey, the reset button, my mom comes from this school of thought, where you’re born, who you are, and I’m on the total opposite end. We talk about this all the time. I’m on the end of, you’re not born who you are. I’m more like, you’re born with a clean slate and your shit gets programmed by all the people around you. Do you have any,

Jason Khalipa (10:05):

Oh man, that’s a tough question. I’ve met a lot of families who were adopted and things like that, and I think when you see adopted families, you start seeing certain personality traits that come out from maybe the donor, whatever. But I do think you’re a product of your environment. If you’re loved, if you’re cared for, if you’re taught the right things, if you are taught empathy, kindness, if you are all the things that I think make a good human, I think those things carry over. And you could make up for maybe what you’re genetically dispositioned to be like. But I think that if you aren’t raised in that level of care and whatever, I think those personality traits go even bigger. I imagine when someone gets rich, if you’re an asshole and you get rich, you just become a bigger asshole. But if you’re a good person, if you’re a good human, you get rich. You’re still

Sevan Matossian (10:54):

Going to be, you lose all your money,

Jason Khalipa (10:57):

You’re still going to be a good person, right? So it’s really the way that you’re surrounded, I think, and that’s what I’ve, and like you, man, that’s the most important thing to me right now.

Sevan Matossian (11:07):

What do you think about this? Along those same lines, this is a pretty big pivot, but


Pivot. There’ll be these people who’ll be like, I’m rich, or I’m famous and I am good at something and I don’t really know who my friends are because people just like me. I’m rich and famous, and I want to be like, Hey, dude, people just liked you for something else before that too. There’s this real negative thought around people who use you or that being used, using people or being used as some sort of bad thing. So the people in your life, a ton of them use you. They use you for inspiration. They use you for your gym, they use you for your work ethic. They use you because you kids, you know what I mean? There’s this negativity around it, and I’m like, no, it’s okay. Drop that.

Jason Khalipa (12:02):

Well, I think when you see

Sevan Matossian (12:03):

People, you don’t want to be taken advantage of. Well, you don’t want to be hurt, but if you can help people and people can use you, it’s like, fuck. To me, that gives me value.

Jason Khalipa (12:12):

Well, and I think for me, if you look at your relationships, let’s just say the 10 closest people, I think maybe something I was misguided in is thinking, let’s just add a business mentor. So when I was young and I was coming up in the gyms, I had some phenomenal business mentors and those people were, I was inspired by their work ethic and their sales process, all this stuff. But I might be able to take certain things that I want to take from them and then have other people in my life where I’m inspired by other areas and take that from them. So let’s just say with you, I’m really inspired by your ability to be a dad, your ability, your fatherhood, but I’m not really inspired by, I don’t know, the way, whatever other part of your life, right ahead.

Sevan Matossian (12:50):

It know. Go ahead, let it out, Jason. I dunno.

Jason Khalipa (12:53):

Business, academic, whatever. But the point is, if you surround yourself with a group of people, you can identify certain traits and characteristics in each one of them and then start pulling from them. And then you want to become the best of all, right? You want to become the best of all of those things. And I think that you’re not necessarily using people, you’re getting inspiration from people. Now, where that changes is if someone’s rich and the only reason why you’re doing something with them is because you want to be able to use their private jet and go stay at a nice hotel. That’s not cool because you don’t actually like their company or like them as a human being. Now you might enjoy those other things, but you got to still enjoy them as a human. Otherwise you’re just a scum.

Sevan Matossian (13:32):

Okay, let me push back on that a little bit. Alright,

Jason Khalipa (13:34):

Let’s do it. Let’s do it.

Sevan Matossian (13:39):

There’s people that I’ve not necessarily liked and then they had kids and then I like them and I learned not to accept the things maybe I didn’t like about them because I like having our families together. I like having our families together, and that would’ve never, so there is a kind of a, God, I don’t know what the word is, or if someone had a big van, let’s say it’s not even a jet, and they could drive my kid places, even though I don’t let my kids out of my sight,

Jason Khalipa (14:10):

Especially not in the big van.

Sevan Matossian (14:12):

Yeah, maybe the thing is, maybe I, the way you started going with it, it’s not that I like to be used or I think it’s okay to use people. It’s like, hey, that’s really not the right narrative. That’s not the right story to say.

Jason Khalipa (14:27):

And I mean, not

Sevan Matossian (14:28):

To use that word,

Jason Khalipa (14:29):

Used things do change when you have a family, right? Let’s just say you create great. So it’s almost, okay, so maybe this is the way you could look at it, SVO dating somebody, but there’s certain characteristics of them that far outweigh the negatives of that individual. It’s the same thing when you find a family and you have two kids and they both get along with your two kids, or in your case three kids. You have three kids and they happen to have three kids too. And they could all be skateboarding. Well, you could, you’ll still hang out with the dad because overall it just works. You know what I mean? Overall works. Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s the difference. The good

Sevan Matossian (15:05):

Start piling up more. That’s right. That’s

Jason Khalipa (15:06):

Right. That’s right.

Sevan Matossian (15:07):

And perspective changes. When I had my windows tinted illegally, I was selling weed. I always drove too loud. I had four fifteens in the back of my rabbit. I hated cops. Now I have two kids. I fucking love cops because I’m not doing anything that conflicts with them. And the people who do do things that conflict with them, I don’t want ’em anywhere near me,

Jason Khalipa (15:30):


Sevan Matossian (15:31):

You know what I mean? My whole perspective on them changes. They went from being the enemy to being like, wow, can you just be everywhere I’m at,

Jason Khalipa (15:38):

Dude, a hundred percent. I mean, I never really had a super negative connotation in the police, but yeah, fuck

Sevan Matossian (15:45):

Guys. They take your weeded,

Jason Khalipa (15:46):

Dude. We go. It’s funny how things change right now in California. It’s like, oh yeah, you want to smoke some weeded. Anyways, but yeah, we’re doing monthly classes for law enforcement at the gym, just trying to help ’em get fitter. So hopefully lots, some more show up.

Sevan Matossian (16:01):

I watched your, I was the person, I was the only person who watched your podcast on kettlebells and cocktails. That view I got is me. And on that show, you sound like you’re, are you going to become a men’s only gym?

Jason Khalipa (16:18):

No, no, no. What’s

Sevan Matossian (16:19):

Going on over there? You got some problem with women? Are you anti-woman?

Jason Khalipa (16:22):

No, I’m just trying to help dad’s level up, man. It’s just something that I feel like for me and where we’re going is just leaning into a demographic of hard chargers that want to train hard. And if you’re a woman, great. But I relate, obviously, I come to it from more of a dad perspective. We talked a lot about being a dad on that particular podcast, and it’s just something that I’m really, dude, that’s how I’ve evolved over the years. I went from wanting to be the fittest on earth and winning the CrossFit games to now being able to provide protect for my family. That’s really important for me, and I’m sure it is for you too. And so no, we’re not going to just be for guys, but that’s an audience that really calls to me. He’s like, I see guys. We’re talking about school. I see guys. I’m like, dude, I want to do a monthly fitness activity for the men’s club. I want to be able to provide tools to dads so that they can show up better and play with their kids. And I think long-term, it’ll create better young men who will then create, it’ll just spawn off. And that goes for women too. It’s just not something that I can only control what’s in my control. And I could speak to guys, I think because that’s where I’m coming from.

Sevan Matossian (17:31):

And obviously I was joking. I know you weren’t going to do but a men’s O gym, but you really are pushing this, embracing this, like you said, Matt Boudreaux or Ted Kennedy, or even this clip, lemme play this clip for you here, this thing that Jordan Peterson’s saying, you really are embracing this mentality right here. Lemme play this here for you. Here we go. You’re going to love this. It might as well be you saying it. I think

Speaker 3 (17:59):

Men should be dangerous by dangerous. That implies I should be ready to threaten someone to hurt

Speaker 4 (18:06):

Somebody. No, you should be capable of it,


But that doesn’t mean you should use it. There’s nothing to you otherwise if you’re not a formidable force, there’s no morality in your self-control if you’re incapable of violence. Not being violent isn’t a virtue. People who teach martial arts know this full well, right? If you learn a martial art, you learn to be dangerous. But simultaneously you learn to control it. Both of those come together. And the combination of that capacity for danger and the capacity for control is what brings about the virtue. Otherwise, you confuse weakness with moral virtue. I’m harmless, therefore I’m good. It’s like, no, that isn’t how it works. That isn’t how it works at all. If you’re harmless, you’re just weak. And if you’re weak, you’re not going to be good. You can’t be, because it takes strength to be good. It’s very difficult to be good

Speaker 3 (18:52):

Saying men should be dead.

Sevan Matossian (18:55):

You’re almost making princes. You believe in that. You like the idea of a man, which says nothing about women. Do what you want. Play football, make money, stay at home, have kids. You’re not saying anything about women, but you want to make men who can ride horses, wheel the sword, bring home food, protect their kids, carry their wife out of the carriage if she falls asleep to her bed. You, you’re into that. You fully embrace that now.

Jason Khalipa (19:25):

Yeah, I do. I mean, I want nothing more. I want nothing more than, let’s just say 10, 20 years from now, for someone to come up to me and be like, dude, your son, he’s the most compassionate, compassionate, loving individual I’ve ever met. And he also stood up for me when that bully came and talked to me and he had the capability to do so. That would make me so proud. What would make me proud is having a vision of success where I don’t think you could be both things. You could be loving, caring, compassionate, emotional, and you could also be a badass. And I think that’s our job to train ’em. And I think you’re doing the same thing, dude. You get your kids in a jiujitsu and martial arts. Do you think those kids don’t have better and with more self-confidence, they could carry themselves in a different way and they could approach situations in the same way, different way, and they will never, I guarantee, I can’t guarantee.


But it’s highly unlikely if someone does jiujitsu as a youth and for many, many years that I ever see them going to bully somebody else because they have the self-confidence. They don’t need to go bolster. And I don’t know. That’s where I’m at, man. And I want the same thing, by the way. I want the same thing. I want my daughter to be independent. I want her to be confident. I want her to be aggressive when she needs to be. And those are important skill sets. This world is going to come at people hard. And if we just keep ’em in a bubble, I think we’re doing ’em disservice.

Sevan Matossian (20:50):

What do you think about the notion of men and women competing? Has that come up with your daughter? I don’t mean in sports, I’m not

Jason Khalipa (20:57):

Talking about

Sevan Matossian (20:59):

Not talking about the Leah Thomas thing. I’m just talking about just like, Hey, you are a woman. You don’t need to compete with the man. You can be an absolutely, you can just fully embrace what it means to be a good woman. I don’t even want to say strong woman.

Jason Khalipa (21:16):

Yeah. I mean, I think that they’re,

Sevan Matossian (21:18):

As opposed to like, oh, I’m comparing myself to what men need to do out there.

Jason Khalipa (21:22):

Yeah. I think they’re both completely different. Women have characteristics and strengths that a man can never have. They could carry a child, they could birth, they could do things that we can’t even fathom. And they’re powerful and independent for that. Men have other characteristics that make them powerful and successful. And I think that that’s why it just works. And I think when you try and compare the two, it’s difficult because they both bring different things to the table. And that’s why it’s wonderful. I mean, I’ve seen women do things that I’ve seen Ashley, and I’ve seen other women do things that I don’t think a man could ever do, aside from birthing children. I’m talking about just in general, being tough, being mentally resilient, being strong. And those are characteristics that I feel like I’m inspired by. I also want that for young men as well, right? So yeah, I don’t know if that answers your question. Yeah, it does. I get inspiration from both. I mean, dude, think about it this way. Svo, in the most difficult time of my life, it was Ashley that threw on the pants and stepped up to the plate and said, Hey, man, get your shit together, basically. Right? That wasn’t me. That was her. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Sevan Matossian (22:37):

It’s my, it’s interesting. There were some decisions early on, medical decisions that my wife for our kids that very different than yours, very different than yours, but not foisted upon us. Yours were were fucking immediate. And right then and there with the cancer thing, but there were some decisions that she took and ran with. She didn’t have my support. I acquiesced. And now years later, I’m like, holy, my God, thank fucking Lord.

Jason Khalipa (23:13):

Right? Holy shit. They just know, man. They just know.

Sevan Matossian (23:17):

Holy shit.

Jason Khalipa (23:18):

And you need that. If my job, if my role and as I’m getting older is to protect for the family, to be a masculine energy that also is loving and caring, et cetera. You need the feminine, powerful independent woman. Also, Ashley, just dude, she runs the shots. Dunno how it is in your house, but I might think you might think you’re the boss. You’re not the boss, dude, I’m

Sevan Matossian (23:49):

The boss until I’m not. So I’m totally just running shit. And then she’s like, no, that can’t go there. I’m like, oh, okay, sorry,

Jason Khalipa (23:54):

Okay, sorry. And then,

Sevan Matossian (23:55):

Yeah, then I just move it. I take it outside or

Jason Khalipa (23:58):

Whatever. Hey, so tonight we’re going to go do this. No, no, actually we’re doing this. Okay, okay, okay. Totally.

Sevan Matossian (24:03):

I’m running the schedule 364 days a year. I think I’m the shit. We’re doing this. No, we’re not doing that today. Oh yeah,

Jason Khalipa (24:08):

Of course, of course. I’m sorry. Yeah, I didn’t mean that.

Sevan Matossian (24:16):

I had this thing happen to me in the airport the other day. It’s not a big

Jason Khalipa (24:20):

Deal. Do you recognize for being the c e o or what?

Sevan Matossian (24:22):

Yeah, I did.


I did. But I was in line to get on a flight and a guy was in the wrong line and he was with his two kids. He was in a line next to me. He was in pre-check and I wasn’t in pre-check. And he comes flying out of pre-check and he’s fucking pissed. And he has his two kids with him and he’s completely irate. And he’s in confrontation with the t s A person saying like, Hey, it’s bullshit. I have pre-check and you’re saying I can’t go through because my son is 13 and he’s so fucking angry. So he gets in line behind me now he’s in my line and I can tell he’s pissed and he’s calling people. And I see another t s A agent come up and the guy’s name was like Gamma or something, little Asian dude. And I go, Mr.


Gamma. And he looks at me and I said, Hey dude, this guy right here. He’s late for his flight. He’s got two beautiful kids with him, and could you possibly get him through? He stood in the wrong line for 40 minutes and he looks at him and the guy looks at me and he gets him and he takes him. And for me, I don’t do jiu-jitsu, I’m not formidable. That took, I saw him and I’m like, wow, I could be that guy. I could be totally flustered and want to fight with people to get my way. And for me, that was one of the most manly. And he took him, he’s like, of course. And he takes the guy and the guy looks at me and says, thank you. And he takes him and they go up to the front of the line and he’s gone. And for me, that was one of the most manly things I’d ever done.

Jason Khalipa (25:56):

Yeah, you stepped up and you supported,

Sevan Matossian (25:58):

Right? Even though it wasn’t shit, I was like, I felt like my balls dropped a little bit. You know what I mean? It was crazy.

Jason Khalipa (26:04):

But now look at that lesson though, for the kids.

Sevan Matossian (26:08):

My kids weren’t there. Unfortunately. I couldn’t be like, dude, I was by myself.

Jason Khalipa (26:12):

But last time we were having dinner with some friends and my wife had been at sushi earlier or whatever, and there was four people sitting at a table and they basically ended up screaming and yelling at the waiter and just walked out, didn’t pay their bill. And it is just one of those examples, when you have kids around, man, they’re picking up on all these things. So if you’re freaking out, if you’re yelling at people, they’re going to think that’s okay. And that’s not okay. I don’t care what is going on. It’s not okay.

Sevan Matossian (26:38):

Being out of control is not okay

Jason Khalipa (26:40):

Or being rude or disrespectful for people because you think you’re better than them. Like, dude, come on, get the fuck out of here. And I think that’s something that the kids pick up on. I mean, I wish they had been there. In your particular case, I’m sure there’s been many other situations where you’ve done things like that because you’re a good dude.

Sevan Matossian (26:57):

Not like that for me, that that took some courage. And I feel like I learned that from my wife actually. I feel like that’s the role my wife normally plays. If I’m on the phone with someone fighting, she’s like, give me that.

Jason Khalipa (27:06):

Yeah, yeah. She calms it down

Sevan Matossian (27:08):

And gets it done.

Jason Khalipa (27:10):

Dude, you know what the thing about it is, man, you get on a flight. I’ve been traveling a lot and flight attendants are always at a level 10 man. They deal with so much bullshit. They deal with so many people that are so rude to them. But I get on the plate, I try and be kind and generous, but sometimes these people, they’re just not even interested in having it because they’ve just been dealing with just jerks all day long and they’re having long flights. But I’m glad you shared that, man. I mean, it’s just one of those things where as a guy, or I hate to even call it just like a guy, a girl, whatever. It’s just, dude, I’m in control of who I’m, I’m a man and I want to be able to be the best I possibly can be for my family. That’s what I’m trying to do. And I want to lead the best example I can be.

Sevan Matossian (27:48):

My wife always tells me, she’s like, you don’t not yell at your kids because yelling at them is mean, and it sucks. You don’t yell at your kids. It shows that you’re out of control and out of control. People are never cool, the coolest people in the world, so do you want your kids to be fucking cool? I’m like, yeah. She’s like, well, then stay in fucking control.

Jason Khalipa (28:06):

Dude. I was walking with my kids. This is like during Covid, right? Super crazy times. And

Sevan Matossian (28:13):

In California. Yeah,

Jason Khalipa (28:15):


Sevan Matossian (28:15):

Triple crazy. Triple crazy,

Jason Khalipa (28:16):

Dude. It’s super crazy. So we’re walking between my house and my in-law’s house. It was like a, I dunno, mile and a half walk. And we get halfway. Is

Sevan Matossian (28:24):

It still like that? You still live that close to him?

Jason Khalipa (28:26):

We’re probably like five miles now, but yeah. And so it’s like a mile and a half in. And dude, I just hear this girl screaming, just screaming at the top of her lungs. I mean, just screaming, let go of me, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Just screaming. I’m just like, oh, shit. And so we’re walking down the street and at that moment I just hear it down like an alleyway. I mean, this is level 10 screaming, not like level two five. And so I’m with the kids and I just made this instant decision. I’m like, I’m going to go help this girl out. There was no other option, man. You would do it too. It was so blatantly, this woman needs help. So anyways, I walked down the alley, it’s like pitch black. I’m like, Hey kids, Ashley, just stay over here. And I get nighttime.


Oh yeah, it’s pitch black. And I get to the end of this alley and I see a van. I’m like, oh shit. Holy crap. So I’m walking down this alley. There’s a house. So it’s a house and it’s one of those long driveways of the house. And in the back there’s, there’s a van there. I’m walking down, I’m walking down, I keep hearing it. Let go of me, let go of me. You’re hurting me, blah, blah. I’m like, oh my gosh. So the family’s over here. And so I probably walk maybe a hundred yards and maybe 50 yards, whatever. And I get down and I see this guy throwing a girl in a van. And I’m like, oh man. I was like, shit. So I walk up to this guy and I’m like, maybe 20 feet from him. I was like, Hey, man. I was like, what are you doing? And he just looks at me and I’m like, oh boy. One of two things are about to go down.

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