#981 – Jeff Adler & Laura Horvath exclusive – CrossFit Games Champs

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live. I’m so sorry. Caleb had to come on and tell me we weren’t even live. You guys missed the best two minutes of the show. Hi, Caroline. I saw you here. I saw you. You’re welcome. You’re welcome. Come, come, come, come in. You’re welcome. Hey, Jeffrey, do you care if we, I know it’s a little insincere. Do you care if we reenact that part?

Jeff Adler (00:23):

Yeah, sure.

Sevan Matossian (00:24):

Okay. Okay. Hi, welcome.

Jeff Adler (00:26):

Thank you.

Sevan Matossian (00:27):

We’re here. So tell me English. How old were you when you learned English?

Jeff Adler (00:34):

I went to school in English when I was young, but we did live in Florida for two years, from 98 to 2000. So I did learn English very early on. I was five, four or five years old, and then we had to move back to Quebec in 2000, but I still went to English school here in Quebec. So I did learn English very young, but it is still my secondary language. So as soon as I’m nervous or trying to push hard in a workout or I’m asked some questions after the workouts, then sometimes just I forget. And then French. French is just easier.

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

I liked it. I watched the Talking Elite Fitness podcast and I like it every time you’re talking in English and then all of a sudden it switches to French and then you turn to Caroline like Uhoh. Is it like it just shift like a train switch tracks without authority?

Jeff Adler (01:29):

Yeah. I just want to choose my words as best I can.

Sevan Matossian (01:34):

It’s interesting, even though you spent two years in Florida, how strong your accent is still. I mean, you have a strong French accent, right? French Canadian accent.

Jeff Adler (01:42):

Thank you.

Sevan Matossian (01:43):

You’re welcome. And Caroline’s not, she’s from the same village that you’re from, right? Same city? No, I’m

Jeff Adler (01:50):

From Drummond, which is about an hour and hour, an hour and 15 from Montreal. She’s from Montreal.

Sevan Matossian (01:57):

And your accents are, that’s significantly different.

Caroline (02:01):


Jeff Adler (02:02):

Oh, she went to school in English for longer

Caroline (02:04):

Than I did. I went to French. No, I went.

Jeff Adler (02:05):

You did? In university in English. I

Caroline (02:07):

Only did university in English, so technically I think I did lust than you

Jeff Adler (02:12):


Sevan Matossian (02:13):

But sound. You sound like me. Caroline. You sound like you just fell out of a TV show. You just sound like an American TV show.

Caroline (02:22):

Yeah, I’ve watched a lot of just American television.

Sevan Matossian (02:25):

Do your parents sound like Jeff?

Caroline (02:27):


Jeff Adler (02:28):

My dad doesn’t have an accent at all.

Caroline (02:31):

Really? But my grandmother’s from Britain, so she had a British accent. So my mom and her sibling just had a very, I think she sounds maybe a little bit more Canadian, and I might sound a little bit more American, but she doesn’t sound like Jeff.

Sevan Matossian (02:47):

What is that? Is that inappropriate to say that you sound French? Like I should say Canadian French?

Jeff Adler (02:53):

I don’t care.

Sevan Matossian (02:54):

Okay, good. And then someone sent me an email saying, Hey, could you Jeffrey Adler if he’s Jewish? And then now you said you went to Florida. That’s where old Jewish people go to die. Are you Jewish?

Jeff Adler (03:05):

I am not.

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

Why did you guys leave Florida? It seems like that was, you guys were on the right track.

Jeff Adler (03:12):

My dad lost his eyesight in 2000, so he had to stop working the job that he had. So the family decided to come back to Quebec because the healthcare system here is different. So we came back. But I know my parents, my parents always loved Florida. So they went back in 2017, they moved there. My dad is on his way to get his green card and he works there. They live there full time. They have a house close to Orlando.

Sevan Matossian (03:48):

That’s right. Because I think last time I had you on maybe you were in Florida.

Jeff Adler (03:53):

Yeah, probably.

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

How did your dad lose his eyesight?

Jeff Adler (03:58):

It’s a degenerative disease, so it’s the connection between the brain and the eyes that doesn’t work anymore.

Sevan Matossian (04:06):

And what ended up happening there? So your dad can’t see your dad’s blind.

Jeff Adler (04:10):

He is legally blind. He can see a little bit. First when it happened, he lost a hundred percent of his eyesight in less than a month.

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Holy shit. And

Jeff Adler (04:20):

It came back gradually a little bit. I think he has some on the side on one eye and maybe a little bit in the center, but he has, I don’t know, less than 15% eyesight? No, three D, no color.

Sevan Matossian (04:34):

Holy cow peptides?

Jeff Adler (04:38):

No, I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (04:40):

No, I was just suggesting peptides. It’s like the in thing. It’s like what you say if anything’s broken now, sorry, peptide. My bicep hurt and I just put peptides in

Jeff Adler (04:48):

The disease is called the Aya. L e b e r? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

Wow. That’s crazy. Well, good on him. Good thing that he got some of his eyesight back. What a fucking journey. That would be scary as shit to lose your

Jeff Adler (05:03):

Eyesight. I’m lucky because it’s inherited. Yeah, it’s inherited through the mother genetic. Yeah, it’s a genetic disease. So I am the generation that skipped, but my aunt, if she has a son, he will develop that a hundred percent sure. And if she has a daughter, then her daughter will pass, pass it on, pass it on to the next generation. It’s passed through the mother to the son. So the son develops the condition and the mother just carries it.

Sevan Matossian (05:39):


Jeff Adler (05:40):

Yeah. I’m supposed to be free, but who knows.

Sevan Matossian (05:44):

Okay, I’m going to put that in the column of another thing where men and women are different. Women don’t go blind. Okay, got it. You’re making this huge list. You won the CrossFit games by a shitload of points.

Jeff Adler (06:03):


Sevan Matossian (06:05):

You put it to your boy vellner by 120 points almost.

Jeff Adler (06:09):


Sevan Matossian (06:12):

Hey. And it was just a head down steady climb, just crushing.

Jeff Adler (06:19):


Sevan Matossian (06:20):

From 2016, there’s that video that everyone can’t stop talking about where you’re holding a sign or something. Yeah,

Jeff Adler (06:28):

I was on signage

Sevan Matossian (06:32):

2016 volunteer 2023 champ. What are some of the differences between that guy and the guy sitting here physically? Can that guy even keep up with the guy today?

Jeff Adler (06:48):

Not at all. Not even

Sevan Matossian (06:49):

Close. Not even close, huh? Not even

Jeff Adler (06:51):

Close. No. It’s just the rate of improvement was very steady every year. And I’m actually very happy and proud of that curve that we’ve done through the years. And I mean, it’s just to prove that it is possible. If you put the time and then wait, time is not five months, eight months. It’s years. Four to seven years. In my case, it’s seven years. So yeah, it takes time, but you just got to keep doing it.

Sevan Matossian (07:33):

Coach zero. I request zero humility in answering this question. Is it just completely amazing that he did that in seven years from a guy holding the sign to the champ? I mean, it’s a one in a billion, right? No one should see that and think, Hey, you’re going to be the champ in seven years.

Caroline (07:55):

Yeah, it is not because you do it that you’re going to make it, but you have to give yourself that amount of time. If you do want to make it. It’s not as fast as people think.

Sevan Matossian (08:08):

Is Jeffrey weird Fraser would that kind of trajectory? Do you have to be weird? No knives months before the games can’t walk into his house unless you swab your nose at eight o’clock, he pulls all the curtains and if anyone makes a noise, they’re fucking out on the street. Is he weird that Is he obsessive?

Jeff Adler (08:30):

Not too bad?

Caroline (08:31):

I don’t think so.

Jeff Adler (08:32):

I still cut my own food.

Caroline (08:33):

Yeah, he has his little quirks, but I don’t think it’s that pronounced for now. But Frazier one, five, we’re at one. So

Jeff Adler (08:41):

We definitely, were always careful, especially with people if they get sick, especially during winter when it’s around the open and around quarters, around semi’s. Like if you’re sick, people in our gym around me, they know, don’t come close, don’t give me your stuff.

Caroline (08:57):

People don’t come to the gym. They’re super respectful. Also, that’s his whole season. That’s a whole and years before of work, but if anything happens, so people are super respectful of that and they stay away and they warn us and things like that.

Sevan Matossian (09:15):

Are athletes more susceptible to getting sick?

Caroline (09:19):

No, but if you do,

Jeff Adler (09:20):

I am. I get sick pretty easy,

Caroline (09:23):

More than I am, but I think it’s just like if you get sick at the wrong time, your season’s over. So we can’t afford to be sick. So that’s the one thing that we’ll be super, super cautious about. In Canada, there’s winter, people are more inside, more people get more colds. There’s just fact of life up here.

Sevan Matossian (09:45):

Do you have any home remedies or things? If I think I’m starting to get sick, I’ll start taking a thousand milligrams of vitamin C. Every hour I’m awake, I’ll just start pumping vitamin C. I just think it works. Do you have anything like that? Okay, I’m going to drink double my water consumption and sweat all day.

Jeff Adler (10:02):

No, vitamin C and zinc is a good way to do it. If I’m going to try and get my hands on some, if I feel like I’m getting weaker. But if throat starts to scratch or anything, I usually do honey and cinnamon. Cinnamon mixed together and it soothes the throat a little bit. And I don’t know, sometimes it works, it lasts for a day and then it’s gone. So

Sevan Matossian (10:33):

If throat scratch, you take honey and send a soothe throat and maybe a jaco.

Jeff Adler (10:40):

Yeah, it depends. Lots of sleep

Sevan Matossian (10:45):

On a one to 10, how cute is Mr. Adler? Caroline?

Caroline (10:49):


Sevan Matossian (10:50):

And when he says Jacos, does he turn into an 11? It’s like

Caroline (10:53):

A 15.

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

Do you even know that? That’s funny, Jeff, or no? It just is.

Jeff Adler (10:59):

I didn’t think it was

Sevan Matossian (11:01):


Jeff Adler (11:02):


Caroline (11:03):

It caught off. It’s fun.

Sevan Matossian (11:05):

It is so fun. It’s so fun. In that talking Elite Fitness podcast, you said something that I heard many, many years ago. In a 60 minutes interview, they were interviewing some quarterback in the National Football League. He had won, I dunno, his third or fourth Super Bowl. And they said, Hey, what’s it like winning? And he said, it’s just like nothing. He said, I would trade my Super Bowl win to go fishing with my dad and my family. And I kind of got that feeling from you that when you won, you were just kind of like, wait, this is it. At the top of the mountain there was a little bit of a, there’s no destination. There was some you were having, that wasn’t what you expected or something.

Jeff Adler (11:57):

It was definitely a weird feeling. And I think the end of the weekend was weird from event 11 and 12. And that’s what I said yesterday, thinking back on the weekend, I truly believe that I won the cross of games after event 10, but I didn’t know then, so I couldn’t celebrate. I didn’t have anything to celebrate. And then when we got on the field and Roman was just not doing the workout, there was no chasing, there was no fight. It was just a formality of doing test 11 and 12 and just finishing.

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

Did you hate that?

Jeff Adler (12:40):

It was very weird. It felt very weird actually. It felt sad. Just for example, when we hit the field and they call our names and we jogged to our lane, and then I was right behind him and he was not jogging. I had to go around to get to my lane and it doesn’t feel natural. That’s not how it’s supposed to be. And just like those little things, the workout was start and then I would have an empty lane beside me. It’s just like, it felt so weird and it made me feel weird by the end of the weekend, like yes, I won and I’m super happy I won. And I think that my performance throughout the weekend was worthy of winning. It’s just the feeling was a bit, I dunno, there was mixed feelings about it. Super happy that I won, but a little bit bummed that one Roman got injured and then two, the fight wasn’t there. So it was weird.

Sevan Matossian (13:46):

Yeah, it is funny. And now that you describe it like that, I mean to us at home, it didn’t seem weird, but I could imagine to you for sure a hundred percent. It’s weird. Hey, you’re supposed to be racing and you’re right, it does sort of turn into a formality or even kind of like a facade, you know what I mean? There’s almost something kind of fake about it to you. You’re like, well wait a minute, I already did it.

Jeff Adler (14:15):

People were coming after event 10 when everybody knew that Roman was just going to be on the floor and not compete. People were saying to me like, oh, congratulations. You won the cross of games. Why would you say that to me right now? I was trying to stay focused and give it my absolute best on 11 and 12. Clearly I didn’t,

Sevan Matossian (14:39):

Yeah, it looked like you were chilling, so you were going as hard as you could there, but you know that you had more. In hindsight,

Jeff Adler (14:48):

If I was in a fight for points, then I think I could have gone faster. At least on 12. On 12 I did the workout. But I dunno, I tried my best to not sandbag. If you want the last few workouts and give it my full effort, but

Sevan Matossian (15:10):

A seventh and a fifth out of 20.

Jeff Adler (15:13):

Yeah, that’s okay, that’s fine.

Sevan Matossian (15:14):

Those are still great. Yeah. But a first on the one before that, obviously turning on the afterburners. Holy shit. You got first on that log one. Hey, isn’t that kind of ironic too, that you took first on that and that’s the one that hobbled him?

Jeff Adler (15:35):

Yeah, that was such a great workout.

Sevan Matossian (15:38):

Someone else got hobbled in that workout. Who was it I heard yesterday?

Jeff Adler (15:42):

Oh, he did? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (15:44):

Oh, was it you? Oh, okay. Yeah, tell me about that. So you got injured too? Yeah, it wasn’t the talking podcast.

Jeff Adler (15:50):

So on the last sandbag, I did have a little mishap, mishap with the same feet left feet, and I rolled it a little bit, but I didn’t roll my ankle. I sprained my feet. It’s a bit lower than the ankle and it swelled up in my shoe. I had to get taped to do the double unders, otherwise I couldn’t do the, well, I could do the double unders, but it hurt a lot. So I had my feet taped, taped a lot. I’m pretty sure that there’s more than that, that got their ankle or feet sprained on that event.

Sevan Matossian (16:38):

Wow, that’s an incredible profile picture.

Jeff Adler (16:40):

That’s a bitch. Harsh.

Sevan Matossian (16:42):

Roman didn’t get injured. Roman executed poorly and lost his chance to be competitive in the last two tests. Test.

Jeff Adler (16:48):

Yeah. Yes and no. I mean we did. So in the briefing of that workout, the question popped, the athlete asked what happens? Because when we throw the sandbags, there was a few sandbags on the other side of the log, the last log, and everybody was like, well, if the sandbags are everywhere, it’s a hazard. And then what if the lane next to you, he throws his bags in your lane, what happens then? There was a few questions about that. We knew there was a risk of injury there because if the sandbags are everywhere and you have to jump over what happens if you jump in your bags, and I mean the games are like the lanes are very wide and we had plenty of space and they said it was our responsibility to make sure that you position your bags in a way that doesn’t impede in your performance. And I think it was fair enough, the lanes were very wide, but I mean we’re going fast. We’re going hard. You don’t think straight, you just want to throw the bag on the other side and then get over and then get over it. There’s no thinking at that point. So I mean, accidents happen. It’s something I think we can call a racing incident. It’s just could you have gone a bit slower, taken your time and not injure yourself? Probably yes, but I mean we’re racing, so things happen.

Sevan Matossian (18:25):

If yesterday I saw, I would’ve thought that it was preposterous to say that a bag would roll into someone else’s lane. But yesterday I was looking closely at Colton, when Colton threw over his 200 pound bag, it actually rolled maybe seven or eight feet. It hit the other bags and kept just rolling. So I guess that that is a realistic question. And no one was going to throw the bag over and then stop, move three feet over and jump over. You guys were throwing the bag and then just throwing yourself over. Oh yeah, yeah. Watch when he throws, I dunno if you can see your screen, but when he throws that bag, look how far it goes forward. Yeah, I mean, well,

Jeff Adler (18:59):

That’s good for him. It brought the bag closer to the finish line, which is good. But I mean that means when he jumped over, he probably had his feet in all the black bags. So you got to be careful and that’s why I think there’s maybe more athletes that did hurt themselves. Not to Roman’s degree, but at least a little bit. There’s a big chance of it, I

Sevan Matossian (19:22):

Think. And you guys are dense, heavy guys and it is a blind. It was high. Yeah. Yeah, it was high. It was pretty high. How tall are you, Jeff?

Jeff Adler (19:30):

I’m just shy of five nine.

Sevan Matossian (19:33):

Oh, you’re that tall, huh?

Jeff Adler (19:35):

I’m that short.

Sevan Matossian (19:36):

Well, I don’t know. How tall are you, Caroline? I’m

Jeff Adler (19:41):

Five nine

Sevan Matossian (19:43):

Back to back. She’s taller.

Jeff Adler (19:44):

Yeah, like a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (19:46):

Who do you think would win in a fight? Me or Laura? Laura, take your time. Think of, well, Jesus crime. Any dude, you don’t even got to be like, Hmm.

Jeff Adler (19:57):

She would kick your

Sevan Matossian (19:58):

Ass. I know, I know. I was just hoping you could probably

Jeff Adler (20:01):

Keep mine.

Sevan Matossian (20:02):

I was just hoping you could at least fake it a little bit. Okay, sorry. That’s a presupposition. I’m going to still ask the question this way anyway, but don’t take it as truth. I’m going to say something like it’s true. And if it’s not true, don’t answer the question. Tell me to get off your back. I’m not five four. I’m five five. I’m not just shy of five. I’m five five. Thank you Matt Burns. I’m not five four that you won. And anything less than winning next year would be a step backwards. And so each day you get closer to the 2024 CrossFit games. There is a new pressure that wasn’t maybe there ever before.

Jeff Adler (20:52):

I don’t do

Sevan Matossian (20:52):

It yet. Can you do something to be like, no, Sevan, you’re wrong. I don’t have to do it that way. Everyone else did it that way. I don’t have to. Is there some way you can mitigate that? That’s always the thing we keep hearing about, right? You hear it from Katherine, Justin Maderas, Matt Fraser, once you’re at the top, it’s like, fuck, second place. Is there a way you can mitigate that or do you even want to, is the part of you? Yeah, bring the pressure on. I want to see what this fucking scary pressure is that people talk about.

Jeff Adler (21:22):

I don’t know yet. We just finished. There’s no point in thinking about 2024 right now. There’s a few competitions we’re going to do in the off season. I’m guessing everybody’s going to think I’m going to win rogue. Magically. I don’t think that’s true. It happened to a lot of the guys that did win because I think there’s something that comes with winning. There’s that confidence that comes with winning that maybe helps in the next few competitions, but as you said, pressure gets to everyone. If it got to Matt, it’s going to get to me. And look at Justin. I just looked at his video like he explained what happened through the games. And the thing that shows the most is he put a lot of pressure on himself and look at what it did to his performance. So if that happened to these guys, then yes, I’m going to feel pressure, I guess, but I’m going to have to try and remind myself. Just do the thing. Just do the workout. And I mean, getting second isn’t bad. Getting on the podium at the CrossFit games is a real hard feat to accomplish. There’s nothing wrong with getting third. It sucks because you want to win, but it’s still freaking good.

Sevan Matossian (22:42):

But let me push back a little bit there, Jeff. Not compared to Jeff Adler of 2023.

Jeff Adler (22:48):


Sevan Matossian (22:49):

And that’s your comparison, right? I mean, that guy, the

Jeff Adler (22:51):

King, we’re going to crush my old self in a year.

Sevan Matossian (22:54):

Yeah. Wow.

Jeff Adler (22:56):

But what happens if someone’s just fitter? And that’s the thing, if someone is fitter, then you deserve to win. I’m not a sore loser at all. If you were fitter, you were fitter, and that’s okay. I’ll be fine with that. If I underperform or I fuck it up and I do stupid shit on the floor, then I can be mad, but I’ll be mad at myself, not others’ performances.

Sevan Matossian (23:24):

Going back to the winning thing, and maybe it’s too soon. How many days ago was it?

Jeff Adler (23:30):

I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (23:31):

What is today? Monday?

Jeff Adler (23:33):

I can count it in podcasts. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (23:35):

How many have you done?

Jeff Adler (23:37):

We’ve done so many, especially locally here, like radio news. I am going to try and help CrossFit in Canada, in Quebec as much as I can to bring people, new people to discover CrossFit and most likely get in a gym in Quebec and try to gain some momentum with the gyms around here. That’d be nice.

Sevan Matossian (24:00):

Yeah. That’s really cool you, is there some plan behind that in what you’re saying? Do you let people know, hey, anyone can do it? Or do you have some sort of like, Hey, you don’t just have to be me. Do you have some sort of spiel or

Jeff Adler (24:18):

No? I mean, when I’m asked on some of the radio or news, I just try CrossFit. It’s fun. It’s a sport and you can do it fast, but you can also do it slow. And for fun and for health. There’s many reasons of doing sports and just give it a try. People have some prejudice about CrossFit and it’s just trying to break those even more because in the last few years, CrossFit did change a lot. It is a lot. Health was pushed very hard and I’m going to try and use that to hopefully get some new members in the gyms around here. And it is good for business.

Sevan Matossian (24:59):

Logan Mars, Jeffrey Adler, good morning. Thank you for coming on the show. Oh, that’s very nice to you, Logan. If you end up on Joe Rogan’s podcast, who will you be throwing under the bus?

Jeff Adler (25:13):

No one

Sevan Matossian (25:14):

Presupposition again. Hey, I want to have you on in a few months and ask you the pressure question again. Here’s the thing about the pressure thing. I don’t think that anyone sees it coming. I don’t even think it’s just seeps in through the fucking cracks and shit. Every time you walk in the gym, they’re like, what’s up champ? And you’re just, just seeps in.

Jeff Adler (25:37):

We’ll see. We’ll see how it feels this year.

Sevan Matossian (25:39):

Alright, you seem like a cool cucumber. You seem pretty chill. I can’t tell if it’s just that we don’t speak the same language or if you really are just as cool, chill as you

Jeff Adler (25:47):

Are. I mean, even this year leading up to the games, the questions and I think no competitor, there’s not anyone that’s, oh, I’m going to crush it and beat everybody. There’s always these questions of, am I fit enough? Did I do enough? Am I strong enough? Will I be good at this type of workout? How is it going to plan out? Is my taper good? Was it long enough? Did I do the right things? You’re always asking yourself these questions. And I don’t think it’ss related to pressure, but it’s related to you want to perform as best you can and you have to prepare the best you can. And you’re just always asking yourself, did I do enough? Did I prepare well enough? And these are going to pop into my mind even before the open. And they always do because I want to crush the open and I also want to crush semis just like I want to crush the games, but they, there’s no way of knowing how good you will be and there’s no way of knowing how good the others will be.

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

Right. It seems like it would be good to have a big old, healthy dose of fear to keep as a motivational tool.

Jeff Adler (26:59):

Fear is a good tool for motivation.

Sevan Matossian (27:01):

Yeah. Hey, another great tool you have is, and it’s interesting, you’ve put yourself in a position where your coach believes in you. Does she have unwavering belief in you? Here’s the part I’m tripping on about Caroline. She’s very blunt and a realist.

Jeff Adler (27:25):


Sevan Matossian (27:26):

But no realist thinks that anyone’s going to win the CrossFit games. It’s just too fucking hard. And yet she believes in you that you’re going to win the CrossFit games. There’s almost like this paradox there.

Jeff Adler (27:37):

Believing in the capacity to do it is one thing, and believing that you will do it is different. I don’t know if that makes any sense.

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

No, you’re helping me. I’m getting it. Yeah.

Jeff Adler (27:49):

So I think she believed that I had the potential to do it. Now, to do it, to do the thing is very hard because you need the perfect weekend, the perfect prep, the perfect food, the perfect everything. The weekend has to go smooth. And I think we had the smoothest weekend, the smoothest competition we’ve ever had. That was it. And that’s what we have to replicate. And that’s what’s really hard to do because training for it, having the fitness for it, it’s easy because you have the full year. You can choose the workouts that you do. You can train whatever you want. But once you get there, not getting sick, making sure that you’re taper week was good. Making sure that you’re feeling good. You don’t have any injuries. All these things. You have enough food, you’re eating enough carbs. Post-workout, what do we do before the workout? What do we do after? All these things matter so much. And that’s the hard thing to do. Believing in the fitness that I have isn’t that hard to do compared to executing.

Sevan Matossian (29:03):

Does it feel just, I mean, for me, being around people who believe in me is just absolutely paramount. I don’t know if it’s because I’m so insecure or what, but if someone doesn’t believe in me, I do not want to be around them at all.

Jeff Adler (29:17):

Yeah. Why this works with me and Caroline, she believes a lot in me, and I believe so little that it balances out. So I think that’s why it works.

Sevan Matossian (29:35):

And when you say you don’t believe, I’m guessing it’s not duality that you don’t think you can do it, you just don’t believe you can do it. It’s not a duality, it’s just that you’re kind of in the middle. You’re stuck in purgatory. Yeah. For example, hey, there’s something there with women and men too, by the way. Every smart man has a woman who believes in, if you don’t have.

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