#980 – Adam Hawkins | Significance through Service

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam, we’re live. Good to see you, dude. Thanks for doing this. Oh, and now I can’t hear you. It’s great

Adam Hawkins (00:12):

To see you again. Are you recovered from Madison?

Sevan Matossian (00:16):

Oh yeah. Totally hear. Yeah, I think I came back more recharged than when I left. I came back. So fired up.

Adam Hawkins (00:26):

I think our introduction in Madison was perfect.

Sevan Matossian (00:31):

Yeah, that was crazy. Hey, we have a really bad delay.

Adam Hawkins (00:38):

We do have a bad delay.

Sevan Matossian (00:41):

Where are you? Is there anywhere else you could go?

Adam Hawkins (00:47):

I’m in the police academy right now. We should have a pretty good connection.

Sevan Matossian (00:55):

Alright. Alright. We’ll wing it. Yeah. Hey, what happened at the games? I saw you and we met, but I didn’t even recognize you as someone I had invited onto the show. Right? You were already scheduled to come on this show and I saw you last week and I didn’t even recognize you, right?

Adam Hawkins (01:12):


Sevan Matossian (01:15):

Oh dude, this connection is so bad. I don’t think we’re going to be able to pull this

Adam Hawkins (01:18):

Off. Yeah, so we came on North Park and you were, I think

Sevan Matossian (01:27):

This is bad.

Adam Hawkins (01:27):

Yeah, my connection is good on this side.

Sevan Matossian (01:31):

That’s a bummer. Yeah, mine says it’s good too. Can you do a speed check real quick? I do you know how to do that? I dunno if we’ve ever done one of these live on the air. Of course. Lemme see if I’m, what do I do? I just type in speed check and then Google gives me something. Internet speed. Check Google. Or should I do the one go?

Adam Hawkins (01:59):


Sevan Matossian (02:08):

Hey, in the comments, do I look choppy or does he look choppy? Which one of us is? Can you guys tell which end it’s on? Oh yeah. My shit looks fast as fuck. My download’s four 50. Let’s see what my upload is. And my uploads 12. How’s yours? Oh, it’s Adam. Good. Oh, that makes me happy. Adam is choppy. Yes.

Adam Hawkins (02:40):


Sevan Matossian (02:42):

You’re always good, sev. Well, thank you. I’m hardwired in. I don’t use wifi on this computer. Are you on the, is there a better network you could switch to? Or maybe you could even switch to your cell phone, you could hotspot.

Adam Hawkins (03:01):

Yeah, that’s what I’m going to do right now.

Sevan Matossian (03:03):

Oh, you the man. Thank you. Sorry, Adam, sorry about this. Thank you for your patience, dude.

Adam Hawkins (03:07):

It’s all good.

Sevan Matossian (03:09):

Alright, here we go. Adam has been a cop for 20 years, maybe more than 20. We’re about to find out. He found CrossFit in 2013. You’ll hear all of this again shortly. And he’s doing some really cool shit. I think he sent me this shirt also. I never wear anyone else’s shirt. This is a dope shirt. Rb. What’s up? Indicate what’s up. Oh, I guess I should tell you guys some things real quick since we’re here. We have some time. Go over to Paper Street Coffee. Don’t spell out Street use code Word seven, and you get 18% off on all your subscriptions. So that’ll be like all the coffee for the rest of your life. As long as you don’t cancel the subscription, you’ll get 18% off on. So that’s pretty cool. Oh, and I think the code is Games 23. Maybe the code isn’t Seon games 23, so that’s cool.


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Adam Hawkins (05:15):

How’s this?

Sevan Matossian (05:16):

Oh dude, money. So much better. Thank you. Awesome. You demand? Yeah. Okay. So we just ran into each other at the games, just on accident. We said hi to each other. And then how did I finally figure out, did you tell me or how did I figure out?

Adam Hawkins (05:29):

Yeah, so we come off of North Park, my wife and I, and we’ll talk about my wife here in a second on the funny joke you made, but you come out and I’m like, Hey. And you were like, Hey. And then I introduced myself. You gave me a big bro hug, so I appreciate that.

Sevan Matossian (05:44):

And did I piece it together right there when I heard your name? Did I?

Adam Hawkins (05:47):

You absolutely did.

Sevan Matossian (05:48):

Oh, good.

Adam Hawkins (05:49):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing that was kind of interesting about that, and I wanted to ask you about that, was there was that guy who came up to you and said, Hey, I appreciate you for getting me through cancer. I think that’s what the conversation was. And you had to talk to him for about three or four minutes and then we eventually got back to it.

Sevan Matossian (06:10):

I don’t,

Adam Hawkins (06:10):

It was wild. It was wild.

Sevan Matossian (06:12):

There were an overwhelming amount of people who said that the podcast got them through something. You know what I mean? Hey, I was the only person in my family who didn’t want the injection or I had cancer or it was crazy. I was completely, completely not prepared to handle that. It was kind of crazy, but it was awesome. I loved every second of it. They say, you shouldn’t enjoy the intention. I kind of needed that validation because there was so much kind of crazy hype and fear about me showing up there. I was going to start breathing fire and burning buildings down and it was awesome. I saw your page and I saw that you were, this is your shirt, right? You sent me this.

Adam Hawkins (07:03):

That’s a great looking shirt.

Sevan Matossian (07:05):

And look at this, the back’s dope.

Adam Hawkins (07:08):

Yep. St. Michael’s on there.

Sevan Matossian (07:11):

Yeah, it’s a really cool shirt. I actually saw so many shirts don’t make it onto my back. And this one I pulled out and put on my dresser this morning. I’m like, I’m wearing this shit.

Adam Hawkins (07:20):

I really appreciate it and I really appreciate all support. Our trip to Madison for me was full of gratitude. So my wife and I originally went to Madison in 2017 when I first went there for a 10 year anniversary. We were there for a 15 year anniversary. We’ve been together for almost 24 years. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (07:42):

How old are you? How old are you?

Adam Hawkins (07:45):

I am 41. I’ve been in law enforce. Yeah, I’ve been in law enforcement about 20 years.

Sevan Matossian (07:49):

Did you get married at 17?

Adam Hawkins (07:52):

Got married in 2004, so around 25.

Sevan Matossian (07:58):

25 years old. Okay. Wait, if you got married when you were 25 and you’ve been married for 24 years, that would make you 49?

Adam Hawkins (08:05):

We’ve been together for 24 years.

Sevan Matossian (08:07):

Oh, okay. Okay. So forever. Wow. Congratulations. What an achievement.

Adam Hawkins (08:14):

Yeah, she’s been very supportive. She’s a nurse. Anna a redhead. That was the joke that you said to me. So you’re like, Hey, you’re wrapping your hands around us. You’re like, Hey, you a redhead. And she goes, and she goes, yes. And I go, I guess we have something in common.

Sevan Matossian (08:30):

Yes. So that was your anniversary. This trip was your anniversary.

Adam Hawkins (08:36):

It was, yeah. And part of that gratitude part, and so appreciative of all of the people who have support law enforcement. I heard your podcast yesterday when you and Susar were talking about just a lot of things about law enforcement and Crossman Mayhem we’re an affiliate. They supported law enforcement all the way through Dave Castro. I got to meet Dave real quick. He’s got a shirt too. And just, he said, I really appreciate you. You always stand up for law enforcement. So it was a great experience full of gratitude. And it was one of the happiest trips that we’ve had

Sevan Matossian (09:13):

A lot of guests I have had on the show. When I go back and look in their Instagram accounts, I see this ebb and flow of kind of their posts kind of go with the tide of what’s popular and what’s not popular. And when I went back in years, it was really nice to see that there was just this straight line of just integrity all the way through. You’ve pointed your compass at the truth or attempted to at the truth and you stayed with it. And I want to tell you, I really, really, really appreciate you’ve made, anyone can go back and look into his Instagram, but what is your Instagram again? If you just type in Adam Hawkins.

Adam Hawkins (09:51):

Yeah, it’s at Ironworks Hawk.

Sevan Matossian (09:55):

Oh, that’s right. That’s right. That’s why I was always having trouble finding it. And I dug way, way, way back into it. And I’m like, wow, this guy has stayed the course. This guy stayed the course. It’s a great, and you’re a CrossFitter through and through kind of crazy.

Adam Hawkins (10:15):

Oh, here’s, yeah, through and through. We started, my wife started right before me, but August of 2013, that’s when we started.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):

Hey Adam, why did you become a cop?

Adam Hawkins (10:30):

That’s a great question. I actually stumbled into it from New Hampshire, went to the University of New Hampshire. It took me 10 years to get my associate’s degree, so that wasn’t very good. Just had a lot of fun and great experience at college. I stepped away. When I went back home, my uncle, who was a cop, he actually says, Hey, you want to come by and do some artwork for the police department? So I ended up doing that and the chief at the time said, Hey, we have an opening for a dispatch position. So I wasn’t doing anything, really had no direction. And I took that position and then quickly found out that shout out to all the dispatchers out there is not the job that I wanted and made a lateral transference of police work. So I kind of stumbled into it

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

Is being a dispatcher hard,

Adam Hawkins (11:23):

Extremely hard. They’re getting as much information as they can, trying to look out for the police officers. It’s a lot of stress.

Sevan Matossian (11:34):

It seems like it would be a crazy job and you can’t do anything.

Adam Hawkins (11:42):

Yes, you are behind the phone. You try to get as much resources you can to whatever’s going on, and you’re kind of limited in that. And I wanted to be more, I wanted to go out, and it sounds cliche, I’ve heard the other police officers come on here, but to go out and help people serve people serve my community.

Sevan Matossian (12:01):

Hey, so you were a dispatcher, and then from there you just like, Hey, I’m just going to start going to the police academy. You asked some dudes in there, Hey, how should I do it? And then you just got on the path.

Adam Hawkins (12:11):

Yeah. So in New Hampshire, you can’t just go into the police academy, you have to be hired. You just have to go through the process with local police departments wherever you get hired. And then they sponsor you to go to the academy. And then the academy, when I was there, it was 12 weeks, 16 weeks now. And then I come back in field training, and then we’re on the job training.

Sevan Matossian (12:37):

Oh, I didn’t even know that. So if I want to become a doctor, I apply to medical school. I go to medical school. And then once I think, I don’t know if this is true, but I finished medical school and then I go to hospitals and look for basically what’s called an, what do they call it? I’m going to call it an internship, but they call it something else. Fuck. Someone will say it in the comments, but basically I get my degree first. What you’re saying is it’s the other way around. For a cop, you go into a police station, you interview, and then if they like you, they sponsor you and then they vouch for you to go to the police academy.

Adam Hawkins (13:13):

So the thing that’s really great about New Hampshire is we have very clearly defined ways to become a police officer. We have standards, and those standards come out of police standard training. So you have to meet certain criteria. There’s formal backgrounds. It’s a very, very thorough process. So yeah, you get hired by the police department and you go through their backgrounds and whatever they want you to do. And then you come to the academy,

Sevan Matossian (13:43):

And then it’s still, once you go to come to the academy, it’s still not guaranteed. You got to pass all this stuff.

Adam Hawkins (13:48):

Absolutely. Yep. In our curriculum. The other special thing about New Hampshire is that there’s only one police academy in New Hampshire, in

Sevan Matossian (13:58):


Adam Hawkins (13:58):

State, in the entire state. So when it comes to curriculum or voice or training and updating trainings, state police, county, local, big city, whatever label you want to put on the police officer, they all come through our doors.

Sevan Matossian (14:18):

Gotcha. Oh, residency or fellowship. Gotcha. Thank you. What doctors do? Justin h Some states are agency sponsored, others are self-certified, then hired. Yeah, makes sense. Okay. Olivia backgrounds in California is a long ass process. Hey, have the standards dropped for, I always hear that the standards for getting into the military have dropped, and I would just have the standards dropped for police officers,

Adam Hawkins (14:46):

Not in New Hampshire.

Sevan Matossian (14:47):

Oh, awesome. Wow.

Adam Hawkins (14:48):

Yep. And I ended up running Caleb and I told Caleb like, Hey Caleb, I know you’re always talking about law enforcement, military, and this there to go down. New Hampshire is one of the only states, actually the only state that has a physical fitness or requirement attached to their certification. So every three years a police officer has to take a PT test.

Sevan Matossian (15:11):

No shit. Yes. Wow. So do you ever see dudes in your, so you must see dudes and you’re like, oh shit, that guy can’t pass the PT test. And then it must be like six months before their PT test, they probably sign up for a gym and they’re like, Hey, I better get in shape.

Adam Hawkins (15:26):

We see it sometimes I try to be a resource to everyone, so if they need programming or they’re coming off an injury, there was a close friend of mine, he did a long, he retired, he was trying to get his certification back, had a hip injury working through CrossFit, get him up so he was able to get his certification back. But sometimes we do see that because life happens, but we just try to be a resource for everyone to get healthy and fit.

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Jessica Valenzuela, our fitness test is a 500 meter row. It’s a joke if 500 meters doesn’t seem quite long enough.

Adam Hawkins (16:06):

No. The state of Vermont used to use a 2000 meter row as a PT test.

Sevan Matossian (16:13):

That’s it. Just a singular one modality, 2000 meters.

Adam Hawkins (16:17):

Yeah, they used to do it, but then they’ve gone back to the traditional sit-ups pushups in Moha run. And that’s what we used in New Hampshire.

Sevan Matossian (16:25):

Hey, what, do you remember what the time was for the 2000 meter row?

Adam Hawkins (16:30):

I do not. I could probably look it up.

Sevan Matossian (16:34):

You think it was under eight minutes?

Adam Hawkins (16:39):

I hope not. That’d be cooking.

Sevan Matossian (16:42):

I know if I can become a cop in New Hampshire, Hey, what if you don’t pass it, Adam?

Adam Hawkins (16:52):

Well, at a particular stage, so obviously to get into the academy, you have to pass the PT test. So that’s set up pushups amount off run. We have waiver processes. If someone gets hurt, then they could get a medical clearance. But in the end, if you don’t pass the PT test, your certification will get suspended.

Sevan Matossian (17:09):

No shit. So you’re caught for 10 years and all of a sudden you can’t pass the test. You probably get a few tries to pass it, and then if you don’t, you’re suspended.

Adam Hawkins (17:18):

And that can go out to two additional years. We talk about resolving temporary injuries usually resolve themselves within 24 months. So there’s waiver process that officer can go through to get healthy and to get back on the road.

Sevan Matossian (17:34):

Hey, do cops get drug tested? Are you guys on regular really regularly? You have to take a regular drug test? No.

Adam Hawkins (17:44):

No. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (17:46):

I saw an interesting meme the other day and it said, God, I wish I could remember it, but it was basically saying, for my job, I have to take a drug test for your job. You should have to take a drug test too. And it was for collecting welfare checks. It was from getting money from the government. And I just thought it was an interesting proposition. Yeah. Well that’s an interesting proposition. There should be maybe something tied to it. It would suck that I wonder how much welfare and money actually does go back into the drug market. Hey, do you think it’s fair to say that most drug addicts are also thieves? You think that that’s an over sweeping generalization. Okay, we skipped that question.

Adam Hawkins (18:38):

Well, it is an interesting question just because when people start becoming dependent on certain things, they’ll go to certain levels and maybe stealing is part of that. Yeah. I’ve dealt with so many different people from so many different walks of life with so many different things. Okay,

Sevan Matossian (19:00):

Let me rephrase it. Is it not an uncommon occupation to be a thief or a drug addict? Do those occupations and habits often go together? Yes. Good. I like that. So just if you’re a cop, a lot of them probably have gym memberships. It’s like one of those things that goes together.

Adam Hawkins (19:17):

Well, the thing that’s interesting was did you see the clip from the huge display in the coliseum when they said 14% of the population only has gym membership?

Sevan Matossian (19:31):

I didn’t see that. Wow.

Adam Hawkins (19:33):

Yep. It was one of the new media pieces they put together and I was like, wow. So if we apply that, let’s say just a law enforcement, only 14% of law enforcement has access to a gym membership. That’s a problem.

Sevan Matossian (19:48):

You’re currently an active police officer? I am. And what do you do? What’s a typical day you get in a car and get bad guys?

Adam Hawkins (19:55):

No, that’s what I used to do. So I spent about 15 years in the Lakes region. That’s Central New Hampshire. I ran the patrol division out of those 10 years. I was part of the special operations group. So local SWAT team did that for 10 years. And then in 2018, I got the opportunity to come down here at the police academy. And I was originally assigned to the recruit training bureau. So dealing with part-time academy, full-time state of corrections academy, helping train them, use of force firearms, pt, things like that, patrol procedures. And then I was promoted to captain and now I run the professional development. So that’s for training for police officers after they get certified.

Sevan Matossian (20:42):

Oh shit, that’s awesome.

Adam Hawkins (20:44):

So we pull in, third parties come in and they teach, let’s say interview interrogation or they teach maybe a wellness program. And that’s what I do for the state.

Sevan Matossian (21:03):

Listen to this statistic from Frederick Burling. Nice beard, Frederick Burling. Last year, 28,736 people applied to attend the police academy. 1,501 passed the test. That’s in the country of Sweden. I wonder how big is Sweden? Is it? Is it the size of Massachusetts? It’s tiny, right? I think of it as being tiny or is it like the size of Pennsylvania? If this thing doesn’t work for you, this cop thing. You’re better at the Google answering the questions than I’m, maybe you can take Caleb’s job.

Adam Hawkins (21:38):

Maybe. I know I like Caleb. So let me see. Area.

Sevan Matossian (21:45):

You want to do area of Sweden or do you want to do Massachusetts? Sweden, landmass.

Adam Hawkins (21:52):

So it’s about 10 million people.

Sevan Matossian (21:55):

Oh, are in Sweden?

Adam Hawkins (21:57):


Sevan Matossian (21:58):

It says it’s a total land area of 447,430. Oh, 172,754 square miles

Adam Hawkins (22:08):

In Massachusetts, about 7 million people.

Sevan Matossian (22:10):

Oh wow.

Adam Hawkins (22:12):

Yeah. And in New Hampshire we have about 1.39 million people.

Sevan Matossian (22:20):

Super small. Wait, wait, wait. Massachusetts has how many where? Say that again.

Adam Hawkins (22:23):

So Massachusetts, almost 7 million.

Sevan Matossian (22:25):

Yeah. What only has 1.9 million

Adam Hawkins (22:28):

In New Hampshire?

Sevan Matossian (22:31):

Oh. Oh. What state are you in?

Adam Hawkins (22:32):

I’m in New Hampshire.

Sevan Matossian (22:33):

God, they’re all the same to me. Sorry, you’re just a bunch of

Adam Hawkins (22:36):


Sevan Matossian (22:37):

Sorry. Sorry.

Adam Hawkins (22:38):

Yeah. So Northeast used to come out here.

Sevan Matossian (22:42):

Sweden is roughly twice the size of Great Britain. Holy shit. Larger than the state of California. Well, fuck me. Wow. Okay. Hey, so once someone becomes a cop, basically your job is to make sure they stay that good. And not only that get better, whether it be their fitness, their ability to get bad guys, interact with bad guys, work with their coworkers. What about things get along as they change through the changes that happen to them at the job, get along with their family members. It’s all those kind of like,

Adam Hawkins (23:16):

Yeah. At the police academy, we try to push out as many resources as we can. Obviously when they come to the academy, we train them up, then they go back to their local agencies and then we provide training to local agencies. Just try to get as many resources as we can to help them get through their career safe and healthy.

Sevan Matossian (23:36):

What’s one of the areas where cops are doing the best, where cops thrive? You always hear dentists are number one at suicide rates and seals are number one in divorce rates. What’s something good that cops, is there some stat out there that it’s like, yeah, cops in general are really good at this, probably not going to jail. I want cops the lowest rate of all the professions of going to jail.

Adam Hawkins (24:01):

Well, I would argue cops are the best at deescalation. The amount of interactions that police officers have with people in this country and the almost minuscule levels of deadly force incidents. I think they do that really well. And I think what we’re doing really well right now is a critical incident management dealing with people who have mental illness, responding to that and trying to get them to the places to be safe and healthy.

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

It seems like that category has just broadened massive.

Adam Hawkins (24:41):

It, there’s been a huge uptick We had, I think there was a lot of things that happened in 2020, George Floyd’s incident and other things as well that really pushed police training. And that was definitely one of them.

Sevan Matossian (25:01):

I remember Greg Glassman showing me something on the C D C website and it was like the evolution of what happens when you put societies in lockdowns. And one of the things obviously it said in there, which they completely botched, it says you never put the healthy people in quarantine ever, ever, ever, ever. And there was another thing in there that says you also never deploy a vaccine during the heat of the pandemic, because if you do that, then you exacerbate the problem. Both things were ignored, which are on the C D C website ironically. But there was a third thing in there that all lockdowns end in riots


And it’s crazy and it’s like we actually went through all that shit. But the George Floyd thing was really, really bizarre in the sense that it was one incident. However you look at it, I definitely don’t look at it the way a lot of people look at it. I don’t think I look at it from the fact I look at it just totally different than I think a lot of people look at it, especially the people who were rioting. And it changed the whole, I feel like landscape of how people treat police officers and then everything is just kind of backfired from there. I feel like I would blame the entire collapse of what we’re seeing happen in San Francisco, California to the fact that the attack civilization has made on police officers. So the people that we’re supposed to protect our Walmart so we could go in there with our kids and get NyQuil and come home safely. That’s been lost in the city of San Francisco. And I feel like that whole thing that started because the fact that people were angry at police officers and says police officers took a step back because it’s a relationship at the end of the day. So police officers have taken a step back in terms of their, I don’t want to say in terms of their duties, but they got a delay in their step now. Whereas before they didn’t.

Adam Hawkins (27:06):

Yeah, maybe proactiveness.

Sevan Matossian (27:08):

Well, it’s kind of like this. Everyone in society’s like, Hey, you guys are being too aggressive. So they’re like, okay. So they all took a step back and they’re giving it a one 1000 now before they interact with the bad guys. And in that 1000 that we’ve asked them to take, crime has skyrocketed. You can just go in with 10 of your friends into an Apple store in California and take shit. There’s actually laws here that you can’t stop the guys who are stealing. And I’m tripping on it. I’m almost tripping why we even have cops. I don’t even,

Adam Hawkins (27:45):

Yeah, so it’s interesting.

Sevan Matossian (27:47):

We are in a bad movie. It’s like the purge here. It really is weird, dude. It really is weird. I don’t know how it is in New Hampshire, but it’s weird

Adam Hawkins (27:54):

Here. And that’s what I was going to bring up. I’ve gone out to California a couple times, had friends in San Diego and then St. Maria. They live in St. Maria now, so I’ve gotten to see a little bit of that. A lot of

Sevan Matossian (28:05):

Homeless. Diego. Diego, my buddy’s the fire captain in Santa Maria, by the way. Some pretty gnarly shit he does besides putting out fires, like washing blood off the side of violent

Adam Hawkins (28:16):

Shit. Yeah. Police officer and firefighters. I think Bill Ronler talks a lot about

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

Yeah, he’s from that area. Yeah, he was a firefighter in that area. Not exactly but close. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. You have a friend in Santa Maria?

Adam Hawkins (28:30):

Yeah, just, no, no. But to be able to see on San Diego log homeless population didn’t a different way of living out in the east coast. After George Floyd, there was a lot of defund, the police that we didn’t really feel that in the East coast. We had a lot of support from our state and our governor out here where we actually got more funding, we got more resources, we got more great people that were coming in here. So our agency actually kind of exploded a little bit in terms of all those things, the money and the resources. So we’re actually be able to push out more information. And again, in New Hampshire we’re a little bit smaller, but we still deal with all the same types of crimes that every other state deals with. Just a lower frequency. We have a lower population. But yeah, we’re able to push out a lot of resources and a lot of training. I actually have, the person who does our curriculum is actually sitting in a meeting right now working with a representative to get a lot of funding for post-traumatic stress disorder training for police officers in the state.

Sevan Matossian (29:41):

Hey, have you guys become a role model or an example for that? Are people coming to you now? Other states being like, oh shit, you did the opposite. You increased funding?

Adam Hawkins (29:50):

Have we’ve worked on the state of Massachusetts. It’s come to us. They built up their post with.

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