#962 – The Revolution | Live Call In

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

That show.

Mattew Souza (00:01):

That’s awesome.

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Yeah. Bam. We’re live. Yeah. So much good feedback. Even my mom last night, I went out to dinner with my mom and she’s like, wow. The, the John Hackleman show is great.

Mattew Souza (00:14):

The, uh, after texts were making me sad a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

The what?

Mattew Souza (00:19):

The after like the text thread afterwards, like the

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

Dogs. Oh, about the dogs?

Mattew Souza (00:22):

Yeah. <laugh>. It’s like, dang.

Sevan Matossian (00:25):

Hey Caleb. Good morning.

Mattew Souza (00:26):


Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Yeah. That’s kind of crazy, right? Uh, you know, um, after the show is over, for those of you didn’t see the Hackleman dog, we were talking about dogs that get congestive heart failure. Congestive heart failure. And so he sent a picture of his dogs that died and one that’s alive. And then he said, Hey, can you give your dog a hug for me? I was like, wow.

Mattew Souza (00:52):


Sevan Matossian (00:52):

Shit. Oh shit. This show’s not recording on the back end. Yeah,

Mattew Souza (00:55):

It is. It’s,

Sevan Matossian (00:57):

Oh, mine doesn’t say recording.

Mattew Souza (00:59):

I just checked it before.

Sevan Matossian (01:01):

Oh, you’re awesome.

Mattew Souza (01:02):

Yeah, I got the little,

Sevan Matossian (01:13):

There’s a Michelle Shanks Happy fourth. I used to know Michael Shanks. I mean, I what? I don’t know what I mean by, I used to know him. Patrick. Hey, good morning America. Fuck. Yeah. You know, when you know one asshole with a certain name and it kind of ruins all the other people you like with that same name.

Mattew Souza (01:35):

<laugh>? Yep. <laugh>. Yeah. Any, any name in particular? <laugh>?

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

No, just, just

Mattew Souza (01:40):

Thinking <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (01:45):

He who stands on Tiptoe, doesn’t stand firm. Doesn’t, does not. He who stands on Tiptoe doesn’t stand firm. He rushes ahead. Doesn’t go far. He tries to shine his own bright. Jesus. I’ll try again in a second. After I put on my toe spacer

Mattew Souza (02:02):


Sevan Matossian (02:06):

I, um, I, I, I, I sent a o Kife text afterward and I was like, Hey dude, you should point Sammy at Birthfit.

Mattew Souza (02:16):

Mm-hmm. And what’d he say?

Sevan Matossian (02:19):

He said, yeah, he said, send me a link.

Mattew Souza (02:21):


Sevan Matossian (02:22):

I, I almost feel like I should make the introduction, although I’m sure Sammy can reach out to any, anyone you know, and be like, Hey, it’s me, Sammy. I mean, they’re gonna know who they are. Birth fit’s, like fully immersed in the CrossFit community, right? Yeah, for sure. But man, that lady, uh, Lindsay over there is a crazy resource. Every interaction I have with her kind of blows my mind. I was, um, do you know anyone who’s taking peptides besides me and Hiller?

Mattew Souza (02:52):


Sevan Matossian (02:53):

Do you Caleb?

Mattew Souza (02:55):

No. We, people ask for them regularly, but we,

Sevan Matossian (02:59):

So yesterday, I, yesterday I was somewhere and they came up and three people in the room. I was in the room with three other, it was me and three other adults were in the room somewhere. And they came up and all three of them were taking peptides. Really crazy. All the, yeah. And they, and they, they’re all taking B b C 1 5 7. But the T 501,

Mattew Souza (03:23):

The b b C one though, huh?

Sevan Matossian (03:24):

Yeah. The B, B, C. And they, and they said that you have to take the mix. They said you have to take the mix. You should not be just taking the one that it’s so much more powerful. If you take, uh, the t t is it T 500? So I, I text our, our peptide supplier. I’m like, Hey, can I get the TB 500? Hi. Hi Travis. Good morning, Allison. Hi. Good morning. Allison. Did you work out against Glover to Shera at the Cross Pitt in San Luis Obispo? And I filmed it in my memory. You guys did, um, grace together against each other. Uh, B B C 1 57 is potent. Yeah, they said with the T 500, it’s way, way, way, way, way, way better. Oh, um, look at another endorsement. Mikel Fair Peptides are better than Tide Pods

Mattew Souza (04:19):

<laugh>. Nah, you should still be in those Tide pods. <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (04:25):

Okay, here we go. Number 24, from the Doda Ching Laou, he who stands on Tiptoe doesn’t stand firm. He who rushes ahead doesn’t go far. He who tries to shine DIMMs his own light. He who defines himself can’t know who he really is. That’s the God one people. He who believes in God will never know God. He who has power over others can’t empower himself. He who clings to his work will create nothing that endures. If you wanna accord with the Dao, just do your job, then let go ramble. Or good morning, you’re late. I thought you were normally the first

Mattew Souza (05:04):

Ramble is always the first

Sevan Matossian (05:06):

Look at Yawn, getting excited. I’m about to smash some Tide pods for the fourth to celebrate my freedom. What do I mean? You’re in Europe. I mean you, you’re in Europe.

Mattew Souza (05:17):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (05:18):

Can you believe in our lifetime there was a t They, they were saying that if you didn’t get an injection that was made by Company X, that you couldn’t go into certain restaurants. <laugh>. That was in our lifetime. You couldn’t

Mattew Souza (05:29):

Have your job, dude.

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

Yeah, you couldn’t have your job. You couldn’t work at Noble. You couldn’t work at Noble unless you got the injection.

Mattew Souza (05:36):

Yeah. For safety.

Sevan Matossian (05:41):

There was a company out there starts with a P. It’s got another, another, uh, consonant right after it, there was making drugs that had convinced the world that if you didn’t take it, you couldn’t work at Noble. Ha. It, it’s like, oh my God. Can you believe how stupid people used to be in the 40 they forties? They actually gathered up Japanese people and put them in camps. What? Retards? Mm-hmm.

Mattew Souza (06:04):

<affirmative>. Just you wait,

Mattew Souza (06:06):

<laugh>. Yeah,

Mattew Souza (06:07):

It’s gonna get worse.

Sevan Matossian (06:09):

But we, we, we, we are with the crew.

Mattew Souza (06:14):


Sevan Matossian (06:15):

We’re with the crew. Nothing’s changed. We’re with the crew. Like, we, we just roll. We just rolled up on 2020. Just dumb as fuck.

Mattew Souza (06:24):


Mattew Souza (06:26):

Yeah. It’s funny. You’re like, how could we make those mistakes? Why would we ever do that to people? And then we’re like, ah, just give it a few years. Every will forget. We’ll do it again.

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

We live in a society where there’s hot chicks who have rings in their nose like this, like crazy hot chicks who have steel in their nose that boogers run down <laugh> and look into a steel device. Oh, I don’t have my steel device. I left my phone. Uh, they look into a steel device and talk to it and dance, and then it’s just fucking cra. I, I, it’s just bizarre. We are in bizarre world.

Mattew Souza (07:00):


Sevan Matossian (07:03):

Someone sent me a, a a a Instagram page of this crazy fucking hot chick who works so hard on her body. She’s clearly CrossFitter and she does a lot of cool, like dances and stuff, and, but this fucking nose ring, it’s like so clearly. Do you guys agree with me that it’s clearly a manifestation of some sort of fucking, like,

Mattew Souza (07:27):

I don’t think I’ve ever put that much thought into it before. I mean, they’re not definitely my style. Like I wouldn’t get

Sevan Matossian (07:33):

One, not your style. So, so, um, your balls itched, so you reach down into your pants and you itch them, right? And sometimes like you kind of look around and you’re like, is anyone watching? Or like, you ever have your dick pointed down and it’s like sweaty and you kind of wanna pull it up, like, and, and have it point up. You know what I mean?

Mattew Souza (07:48):

You gotta unglue it.

Sevan Matossian (07:49):

Ue yeah. And you kind of look around a little bit. You know what I mean? If you’re driving in your car and it’s your wife, you just do it. If your mom’s sitting next to you, you kind of just like, wait till she looks out the window or something,

Mattew Souza (07:58):


Sevan Matossian (07:59):

And if it’s like your sister-in-law, you just don’t do it. You just deal with the discomfort. It, there’s some sort of discomfort that forces you to make, to make some, take some sort of action, some sort of noise in your brain. It’s a discomfort, a physical discomfort. Then it leads to a thought and then you take action on it. Well, what physical discomfort do you have that leads to what thought that makes you think you’re going to, it’s gonna be fixed by putting steel in your nose. That a bullhorn. Those are to lead bulls around with <laugh>. I just, I don’t understand.

Mattew Souza (08:30):

Maybe they’re waiting to be let around <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (08:33):

I like that. I’m totally, I love that.

Mattew Souza (08:36):

That’s one theory.

Sevan Matossian (08:37):

I love that. I fucking love that. Stephanie Allen, let me guess you have a nose ring. Stay in your lanes. I am. I I’m, I’m the brain lane. Self-expression. Do you see this? This is, uh, uh, Audrey, you’re gonna hate me for this. This is liberal talk <laugh>. This is like, I so want to be for affirmative action. I read all the shit that Michelle Obama has been writing lately about how we need affirmative action, but she doesn’t say anything. Self-expression. What, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah. You know what I, when I peel my dick in my nuts off my leg, I’m like, wow, this is a, some amazing self-expression <laugh>. It’s not how the brain doesn’t even work like that. That’s, that’s a placeholder for someone who doesn’t, this isn’t towards you Audrey, by the way. Um, that’s a placeholder for someone who doesn’t want to get to the real root of what, what it is. I self-expression

Mattew Souza (09:33):


Sevan Matossian (09:35):

No, that isn’t my no, no. That your self-expression is not, lemme tell you what it is. You’re like, damn, I have a nice fucking ass. And I work hard on it. And I know that if I put hang this thing out, um, these guys will, uh, click on me. It’s more like that. And you’re right.

Mattew Souza (09:53):

Is there anybody who has just this, like, just the bull ring or is that like the evolution of the rings? Like do you know whether there’s, there’s not a single piercing, not a single leather tattoo, but has this piercing

Sevan Matossian (10:04):

Just that one. I feel

Mattew Souza (10:05):

Like that’s like stage three. Like first you get this guy, then you go like the cartilage, then you get crazy and you’re like, fuck it, I’m doing the bull ring. You know, it’s like, it’s a, it’s an evolution.

Caleb Beaver (10:15):

I think it starts with the, the traga. The one like in the, like right on the outside of the ear. And that’s where people get it so they can like alleviate their migraines. And

Sevan Matossian (10:24):

I’m triggered that Caleb knew about it. Oh, that’s functional. Caleb. That one’s functional. Caleb. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You’re saying there’s the functional piercing.

Caleb Beaver (10:30):

So check this out. There’s a, like a technically in, so in the military you can get these like piercings. They’re not really piercings. They’re just like, uh, acupuncture basically. And you can put ’em in places in your ear and it alleviates like migraines. Um, like nerve pain, that kind of thing. So people who, I mean, if they’re not in the military, you can just get one on your trius and then it’s supposed to alleviate your migraines so you don’t have them anymore.

Sevan Matossian (10:53):

This, this Caleb reminds me about people who like, um, uh, get abortions. ’cause they’re afraid the baby’s gonna kill them at birth. It’s like, it’s like a 1% of 1% of 1%. Like Caleb read about it in some medical journal about some sort of, uh, pressure point in the ear. And now he is like, yeah, well those are,

Caleb Beaver (11:08):

Uh, I, I didn’t say that they work, but people get that

Mattew Souza (11:13):

Was was giving us one explanation of the thought that occurred before the, uh, action.

Sevan Matossian (11:19):

Uh, Ackerman’s ask didn’t do a zoom call for us, but Sevy didn’t let me know. Ackerman’s Audrey’s ass didn’t do a zoom call for us.

Mattew Souza (11:31):


Sevan Matossian (11:31):

Who, who, what? Don’t wanna understand this one. I wanna understand it. Bull ring is from the Egyptians.

Mattew Souza (11:41):


Sevan Matossian (11:47):

Look at this. Uh, I think they’re cute. I think putting steel in your nostrils is, and having it dangle so, uh, is cute. I think blocking your breathing cavity is cute with steel pressure put poking a hole, and in that really sensitive septum part of your nose and blocking your breathing cavity and uh, and putting something there that collects, uh, um, uh, mucus is cute risks. You, you guys are way too judgemental. I, I’m not judge. I don’t know if I’m judgemental.

Mattew Souza (12:19):

What are you guys

Sevan Matossian (12:20):

<laugh> and boring? Yeah, you’re boring ’cause you don’t like, you know, sometimes what I do when I’m masturbating, I cover my, my mouth and try to fucking suffocate myself too. And then blow snot all over myself just to keep it exciting. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (12:33):

Hope we don’t find you in the shower one day with like a <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (12:36):

Sometimes I just put a pillow over myself and when I jerk off, I pretend like someone’s trying to extract is raping me. <laugh> extracting the

Mattew Souza (12:44):


Sevan Matossian (12:46):

Fuck. I boring and boring and cute.

Mattew Souza (12:53):

Oh, no. <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (12:56):

Oh, it doesn’t block anything. Oh,

Mattew Souza (13:01):

Does Allison have one? Has she had one?

Sevan Matossian (13:03):

She, she, uh, her husband had one. He hated it.

Mattew Souza (13:07):


Sevan Matossian (13:09):

She hated it. He did it for her. Yeah. Self, self rape. <laugh>. Oh, there we go. We probably got dinging for that. I said the R word.

Mattew Souza (13:20):

Yeah, twice. Definitely <laugh>. It’s definitely flagged.

Sevan Matossian (13:24):

Can’t stand that word. I was say thinking this morning in the shower, uh, wad, zombie stevon. They have fake magnetic ones. You should try one for science.

Mattew Souza (13:43):

Hmm. Hey, that might be a good experiment. Like we put a bunch of ’em on and then we ask somebody a question and then we take ’em all off and then ask another person a question and we do it to like 10 people on each side and see if there’s any difference in the answer. But we

Sevan Matossian (13:58):

Ask and the way they respond. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (13:59):

But we ask the same question. You know,

Sevan Matossian (14:02):

What is worse? A nose ring or smoking cigarettes? I don’t know what you mean by worse, but definitely I would don’t smoke, don’t burn shit and breathe in the fumes. Nothing. Don’t burn anything and breathe in any of the fumes ever. I don’t even like candles in my house anymore. But if my wife likes a candle, I’ll just walk by and blow it out. I read some shit about it. Like I, there’s just shit and candles. You shouldn’t be breathing. Caleb’s like bullshit. Just quit being a fucking worrywart.

Caleb Beaver (14:30):

That’s the same thing as me reading an article. I’m thinking it’s legit.

Sevan Matossian (14:33):

Right on. On Burning candles is legit.

Caleb Beaver (14:36):

Yeah. Just like me reading an article on piercings and saying that they alleviate your migraines.

Sevan Matossian (14:42):

I don’t know. Fire’s pretty powerful. I don’t know. Do you think smoking cigarettes is disgusting?

Mattew Souza (14:52):

Eh, I mean,

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

I enjoyed it.

Mattew Souza (14:55):

I don’t really prefer it. ’cause everything around you just smells like cigarettes and that smell is impossible to get outta your shit. You know? Like if you ever lived with somebody who smokes cigarettes.

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you don’t smoke, I guess that’s a great point. If you don’t smoke, it’s gross. Was that your cat? That was a great It’s audio clip.

Mattew Souza (15:13):

Yeah. Yeah.

Caleb Beaver (15:14):

That was my cat

Mattew Souza (15:15):


Sevan Matossian (15:16):

I’d love it if my wife made that sound.

Mattew Souza (15:19):

<laugh>. You wouldn’t have to use the pillow as much.

Sevan Matossian (15:22):

<laugh>, right?

Mattew Souza (15:23):


Sevan Matossian (15:25):

Honey. Hold this pillow over my face. <laugh>, we fight. Who gets to play? Be the victim who gets to get suffocated?

Mattew Souza (15:32):

What about the Nicorette gum as like a, um, cognitive enhancer?

Sevan Matossian (15:38):

Yeah. I mean, nicotine’s powerful. Nicotine is fucking powerful.

Mattew Souza (15:43):

You know anybody who’s gotten addicted just to the gum?

Sevan Matossian (15:46):

Uh, yes, I know people who, who got off. Not, they didn’t enter with the gum, but I know people who, um, off the cigarette smoked and then went to the gum and they just can’t quit the gum.

Mattew Souza (15:59):

Well, I guess if you had to choose between the two right. The gum’s gonna be better for you.

Sevan Matossian (16:04):

Yeah. Here you go. I mean, I’m telling you, it’s nuts. The toughest habit I overcame with smoking cigs. Holy shit. Nicotine is addictive as fuck. Jan Clark nicotine is great. Hey, um, if, if I bet you if you mentioned peptides around people, you’ll, you’ll, people will be like, oh, I’m taking those. You’ll be surprised. I was blown away. Three people. I was in a room with three other adults. I mentioned peptides and, uh, uh, three, all three of ’em were taking them. Mm-hmm.

Mattew Souza (16:29):

<affirmative>. Interesting.

Sevan Matossian (16:31):

And then I was like, oh, my sponsor sells peptides. And they’re all like, oh, can I get some <laugh>? All three of

Mattew Souza (16:36):

Them when we get the QR code up at the top of left screen,

Sevan Matossian (16:41):

Hey, how do people get needles? You just go to Walgreens and how do you get the water?

Mattew Souza (16:47):

I don’t know.

Caleb Beaver (16:48):

The water you can get from Walgreens. I think the needles you can get from Walgreens too.

Sevan Matossian (16:54):

You just go in, you can just go in there and buy ’em.

Caleb Beaver (16:56):

Yeah. You just asked for insulin needles. I lo I I found ’em on Amazon too.

Sevan Matossian (17:00):

You did?

Caleb Beaver (17:01):


Sevan Matossian (17:02):


Caleb Beaver (17:04):

Uh, yeah. I think it was like 10 bucks for like 30 pack or something.

Sevan Matossian (17:07):

Are you allowed to, would you be allowed to take peptides? Caleb? Do they test for that in the Army?

Caleb Beaver (17:13):

Um, they have to have like explicit, an explicit reason to do it. So like, if somebody has like, testosterone is like, they’re like abusing steroids. So technically I imagine I probably would be able to, but

Sevan Matossian (17:27):

Couldn’t you just be like, my shoulder hurts and I’m taking BPC 1 57 to heal it?

Caleb Beaver (17:33):

Yes, but they would prefer, yeah, I would. I’m sure they would have a cow about it because it’s not prescribed by like my

Sevan Matossian (17:40):

Provider there. There’s no, um, um, um, uh, were were you insinuating that there’s some sort of relationship between testosterone and B P C 1 57?

Mattew Souza (17:52):


Sevan Matossian (17:53):

Oh, okay. Like the fact that I’m shooting this in my arm should just make, heal my tendon. It’s not like gonna make me more buff. Right?

Mattew Souza (18:03):

That’s the way I understand it. Yeah. Is it working?

Sevan Matossian (18:09):

I can’t, I don’t even know.

Mattew Souza (18:11):

Well, does your bicep feel better?

Sevan Matossian (18:15):

It it ha what Hiller did to it? Um, it feels, it it, if it was like, um, if it was hurting like a, at a seven, what Hiller did to it made it a two.

Mattew Souza (18:30):


Sevan Matossian (18:30):

Whenever, and whenever I put the needle b p C into it, it goes back up to a three <laugh>. And then, and then the next morning it goes back down to a two. Meaning just when I hit it with the needle, it gets just a little ir, tiniest, bit irritated.

Mattew Souza (18:43):


Sevan Matossian (18:45):

But you’re suppo. But those other three people that I was in the room with swore by it, like fucking swore by it, the, the, this one person said that they did it for eight weeks and they put it in all different places in their body

Mattew Souza (18:59):

That was ing.

Sevan Matossian (19:00):

I just hammer it right here. And actually, it’s funny, you now that you ask my arm actually feels amazing this morning, like probably the best it’s ever felt.

Mattew Souza (19:07):

Isn’t that funny though, when something bothers you for like a long time and then the second it goes away, you just forget it ever happened, right? Like super quick. Right? And then someone asks you and you’re like, oh yeah, my hip doesn’t hurt anymore. Right? Wow. That was the biggest deal ever two

Sevan Matossian (19:19):

Weeks ago. Right. I’m never thankful when I wake up in the morning when my back doesn’t hurt

Mattew Souza (19:24):

<laugh>. I only notice it when it hurts.

Sevan Matossian (19:26):

Yeah. Or hiccups are kind of like that, right? They’re driving you crazy and then they’re gone, but you’re not like, whew, they’re gone. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (19:31):

I have the ultimate cure for hiccups.

Sevan Matossian (19:33):

Yeah. What is it? What is

Mattew Souza (19:34):

It? Percent of the time?

Sevan Matossian (19:35):

What is it?

Mattew Souza (19:36):

You have to take? Like a full, not a full glass, but like an eight ounce glass of water. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And you take two till three paper towels depending on how Oh, gpr r with your paper towel

Sevan Matossian (19:47):

Used. I used to do that.

Mattew Souza (19:48):

And you cover it and then you slowly drink it enough to where it doesn’t tear the paper towel, but it still comes through there.

Sevan Matossian (19:54):

Oh, you don’t drink it from the other end? I would put it on and drink it from

Mattew Souza (19:57):

This side. No, you just cover it and then I just drink the water through the paper towel. Oh. And the act of you like slowly drinking through it and having to like suck a little bit, but also having to drink gets rid of it every single day. It used to be like a party trip back in the day. My, can

Sevan Matossian (20:08):

You just give someone a blowjob?

Mattew Souza (20:10):

Me, me

Sevan Matossian (20:12):

<laugh>? Did you get rid of hiccups? <laugh>?

Mattew Souza (20:14):

I, I haven’t tested that theory, but the paper towels or the cup seems to work. Well, hopefully somebody uses that now that like, listens to this and has them.

Sevan Matossian (20:23):

There’s the pizza place. I don’t know if I told this story. I apologize if I have, but I’m gonna tell it again. There’s a pizza place. Um, that’s, uh, uh, I I, that’s on the beach in Santa Cruz. It’s like a block from the beach. And I park with my kids about a mile from this pizza place. And we get on skateboards. I don’t, I walk, I usually go with my mom and the three boys and they skate to the pizza place and I walk with my mom and we just hang out and talk and walk along the beach. We get there, I order the boys a slice of pizza, and then they skate back. It’s just, just street skating. And, uh, my mom and I walk the whole time.


The lady who works there behind the counter, we’ve been there let’s say a hundred times. It’s not a hundred, but let’s say a hundred times. And she, and for the first 50 times we went there, she never, she wouldn’t even say like, hello to us. She just sits there. It’s like probably some 20 year old girl. And there’s like some, uh, Mexican old Mexican lady. What I mean old, I mean younger than me. 47 years old Mexican lady who’s cooking the pizzas in the back. And every time I come in with my kids, she leans over and looks at ’em and waves at ’em. She’s nice as shit. But the 20 year old girl who, who does the register could give two fucks, right? Mm-hmm. Like, no welcome, no. Hello. No, nothing. That’s sucks. So my, so my mom paid the other day and I said, Hey mom, if that lady would’ve said, hi, how are you? Oh, nice to see you in here with your grandkids again. Such cute boys or, or, or anything, right? Um, oh, we just got a pizza out of the oven. You sh you should, you maybe you should consider getting this one. This one’s really warm. It just came out. Or we, we used extra pepperoni today. If your kids like pepperoni. Anything, right? Oh,

Mattew Souza (22:02):

Just, hi guys. Good to see you

Sevan Matossian (22:03):

Again. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Just took voice, took some of your social awareness and just shared it, uh, uh, or your situational awareness. So, but we get out and I ask my mom, I said, would you have tipped her a dollar more? And she goes, oh yeah. And my mom’s not like a big tipper or anything. And I started doing the math and I was thinking if she was, if she has, and the places always has just a steady flow of people, right? There’s always like a couple people online there. And I started doing the math and I’m like, shit, if she did, if she did that six time, if she got an extra $6 an hour and she worked an eight hour shift, that would be 50 bucks an hour. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and she worked five days a week, that’d be $250 and that’s a thousand more dollars a month tax free. And then, uh, if, if they put it cash in the, in the, in the jar, and then that’s 12,000 more dollars a year, which is the payment for a really with, for, for a pretty nice car. $50,000 car.

Mattew Souza (22:57):

Yeah. But she lives at home with her parents and has everything supplied for and just has to do that job probably to like, just stay doing what she’s doing so she doesn’t give a shit.

Sevan Matossian (23:08):

I’ve seen people be nice to Greg and a Starbucks and three months later have a job that pays 150 on more than two occasions. I can think of three right away. I’ve seen people be nice to Greg in a Starbucks and get a job for $150,000 a year within a few months. <laugh> just by being like, uh, civil.

Mattew Souza (23:32):

Yeah. I used to kill it behind the bar because if you came to me twice in the same if

Sevan Matossian (23:36):

He came on you,

Mattew Souza (23:37):

Okay, you’re just gonna do that with everything I say this morning. <laugh>, get at the lap over. You’re overthinking there. I transitioned for you.

Sevan Matossian (23:48):

Uh, tell me about coming on you at the bar. I want to hear it.

Mattew Souza (23:52):

I was just gonna say, if you came up to me twice and got a drink and you were there for a little bit or with larger party, by the time you came with the third time, I had your drink memorized.

Sevan Matossian (23:59):

Oh yeah. Yeah. We’d be

Mattew Souza (24:00):

Walking up and I would be like, Hey, another whatever. Again, as you were coming up and they’d be like, yeah, thank you. And so that little acknowledgement would go such huge way. He might get a dollar or no tip on the first drink. Yeah. Maybe on the second, the third one that you remember. Boom. Like five bucks.

Sevan Matossian (24:14):

Yeah. And now they’re a little buzzed, so they’re soft. They’re ready. Oh yeah.

Mattew Souza (24:17):

Oh yeah. Exactly.

Sevan Matossian (24:20):

I think, I think, um, uh, Kenneth, that’s a typo. He just means you’re thinking se not you’re overthinking, you’re thinking, uh, Jimmy Gross Seon, unlike Hailey, mal isn’t, Mao still hasn’t given us a legitimate reason as to what, I don’t even like the wording of this. I


Seon, unlike ma, unlike Cavon, unlike Hailey, mal hasn’t given us a legitimate reason as to why she took the year off. Hailey did. Even O’Keefe seemed unsure to navigate that conversation when you spoke to him the other day. I don’t. Under Jimmy, I’m, I take full responsibility for what I’m about to say to you, that I’m reading into what you’re saying. But like, she doesn’t owe us shit. It, it seems like you’re making the implication that she might owe us something. Like what do you mean legitimate reason? There is no legitimate reason and every reason is also legitimate. I don’t understand, I don’t understand the statement, what you’re trying to imply, but I don’t think Mal or Hailey or O’Keefe owes any of us shit. Here’s the only, my only thought on the subject, I’d be curious what, uh, Caleb and, uh, Matt thinks, I think at the end of the day, Mel’s gonna fucking regret the, the same way fucking Fron wishes.


He wouldn’t have fallen off the rope. So he could have had five wins the same way. Fucking, uh, car Saunders is probably so pissed that she couldn’t push through her neck injury. I think, uh, uh, Mo at the end of the day is gonna be like, why didn’t someone just fucking make me do it? That’s what I think. Hmm. That’s the only, that’s the only thing. And and I’m not saying I’m just, I know that I’m bringing my shit to it. As a 51 year old man who doesn’t have any of the skills, has never had the skills or the opportunity or the heart or the work capacity or the work ethic to do what Mal has. I don’t wanna say all that. I just think at the end of the day, um, she’s gonna wish she would’ve done it. I think, you know what I mean? I think she’s gonna look be like, fuck. Like, I, I don’t, I think that, um, I, this is not a dig at O’Keefe, but I think O’Keefe has to say that stuff. Oh, I’m so proud of her. I’m so this, I’m so that I’m not, I’m like, like if I’m, if that’s, if that’s my kid, like I want their safety first, but I’m also would be like, yo motherfucker do this

Mattew Souza (26:40):


Sevan Matossian (26:41):

Like, like face this fear. Fears are, fears are a motherfucker. You’re, you’re fortunate if you get to face a fear, you’re fortunate. It’s, it’s a blessing. Um, at the end of the day, once again, it’s just, it’s just, it’s just physical discomforts that manifest as thoughts that then you react to and behave the nose ring the cigarette, the worried about what other people think. It’s all, it, it, it’s the same for everyone. It’s, it’s all this other stuff where it’s just personal expression or it’s trauma or these other words that describe, it’s not, it’s always the same mechanism in human beings. Physical sensation, thought, action, reaction. There’s no, there’s no there that it’s what we’re all doing. There’s no nuance to it. Nothing. There’s nothing complex about it. The Buddha figured that shit out and it’s the way it is. It’s how hunger works. Ejaculation, um, pulling outta the games. They’re all, they all take the same road. You

Mattew Souza (27:38):

Think she still goes to

Sevan Matossian (27:39):

The game in terms of the psychological mechanism? Uh, I don’t, no, I don’t.

Mattew Souza (27:44):

Yeah, I didn’t think so either, but I, I think she would’ve for sure had the feeling that you were saying if she showed up on, you know, at the venue and walked around, she’d be like, fuck.

Sevan Matossian (27:53):

Um, what, what do you, what do you guys, what, what was the question I was gonna ask you guys? Um, what you guys thought about, what about in, in re was it, well,

Caleb Beaver (28:02):

She regrets going, not

Sevan Matossian (28:03):

Going. Oh, yeah, yeah. Was that what it was? Do you think she’s going, what do you think Caleb?

Caleb Beaver (28:10):

I think that when you’re looking at what O’Keefe told Matt on his fifth year, he was in a spot where Matt, it was like very black or white. It’s like, if you don’t do this now, you’re never gonna have a chance to do it again because you’re at the end of your career. Right. If you look at Mal, I mean, and also the infancy of the relationship with O’Keefe. I don’t think he has a leg to stand on in the sense of like, Hey, if you don’t do this, you’re gonna be fucked. Mm. So I think he’s, he’s almost like, well, I have to kind of tiptoe around this relationship.

Sevan Matossian (28:42):

Or they may or he may have. For all we know, he maybe he did give her the hard talk too.

Caleb Beaver (28:46):

Yeah. And it just didn’t, right. Yeah. Maybe it like fractured a little bit of their relationship. Maybe it damaged it a little bit because she was like, she pushed back and I remember being her age and if any adult told me to do anything, I was gonna do the exact opposite. Just being like, no, I’m not doing that. <laugh> still kind of do that. But

Sevan Matossian (29:05):

<laugh> you think that she should have, do you think that, you think that in the end she’s gonna regret taking the year off? Mm,

Caleb Beaver (29:12):

I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (29:13):

Like five years from now, 10 years from now, no. What do, what do you think Susa?

Mattew Souza (29:18):

I think over the long, long haul, like 10, 20 years from now, she, she may regret it, but I think as far as it stands right now, she probably doesn’t, she’s probably sticking sticking to her decision. But if she did go to the games, I bet you she would, she would feel a little regret for not being there. I mean, who wouldn’t? Right. If you’re competitor,

Sevan Matossian (29:34):

Uh, there’s plenty of time to come back. No. There, there is no time and have a big legacy. There is no time. No. Her legacy already is she pulled out. She just, she just started her story. Hmm. Her story’s now, she pulled out one year. Her story could have been, she pushed through whatever her issue is. She put her head down and fucking, and, and let it all go. Except that her situation let it.

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