#951 – Greg Glassman | Live Call In Show

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. God, guys. Sorry. Three minutes. Take,

Greg Glassman (00:06):

Take a deep breath.

Sevan Matossian (00:07):

Ah, thank you. Uh, Allison NYC Morning. Yay. For forgot. Ah,

Greg Glassman (00:12):

Is that funny?

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

Hey, good morning.

Greg Glassman (00:15):

Yeah. Good morning to Ms. Allison. Good

Sevan Matossian (00:18):

Morning. You’re in your, uh, uh, you’re in Santa Cruz,

Greg Glassman (00:23):


Sevan Matossian (00:25):

In your office?

Greg Glassman (00:27):

Yeah. I need better weather than this, but here we are.

Sevan Matossian (00:31):

Oh, is it not sunny this morning? I ran so quickly in my office. I didn’t even look outside.

Greg Glassman (00:35):

It’s, it’s, it’s a gray stark. Do you expect that this time of year?

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

Yeah. Hey,

Greg Glassman (00:40):

Problem is, he’s been doing it all day long for a couple of weeks in and out.

Sevan Matossian (00:45):

We had three great days. We had three great days. Right. Amazing.

Greg Glassman (00:48):

It’s been amazing.

Sevan Matossian (00:49):

Yeah. Even I would say even yesterday it got hot.

Greg Glassman (00:52):


Sevan Matossian (00:54):

Uh, sev, um, uh, don’t ask Greg about abortions. All right.

Greg Glassman (00:59):


Sevan Matossian (01:01):

<laugh>, it’s off the, it’s off the table. Uh, good morning, Robbie. Oh, good morning everyone. Good to see everyone. Uh, Bruce, Wayne. Greg is back again. Yeah, he is, uh, coach Glassman is, um, oh, look at that. Coach Glassman is working on some wads on his whiteboard.

Greg Glassman (01:17):

Yeah, maybe. Huh?

Sevan Matossian (01:20):

Um, uh, yeah, this second time, uh, look at, uh, here’s another one. Holy shit. Greg’s face. Yep. There he is. There’s his face. You have a face.

Greg Glassman (01:32):

Sure enough.

Sevan Matossian (01:33):

Um, w you, uh, you were telling me the other day that you’re thinking about switching or that you wish you wouldn’t have got on the glass board kick. Yeah. What about in your office there? You’re okay with all that? Dusty? I know you’re pretty, uh, uh, fastidious, uh, clean guy, and you like everything to have its order. You’d be okay with the chalkboard back there in your, in your office.

Greg Glassman (01:55):

So, so check this out. I got Okay. Chalkboards at my place in, uh, Scottsdale, both in the kids’ school room and in my office, and I love them. And that kind of started, uh, at the HQ office in Scotts Valley where we put up the, the big, uh, uh, law school style sliding up chalkboards, where I did the, the five buckets of death.

Sevan Matossian (02:20):

Yep, yep,

Greg Glassman (02:21):

Yep. And I so enjoyed those chalkboards and the chalk. And I’ve got a list of advantages of chalk over chalkboards, but it was, it was too late. I already had glass boards in offices. I had this one ordered for here. I’ve got one in the dining room here. I mean, it might be the, the godfather of glass boards. And, uh, but the chalks, the chalk is, is better advantages, uh, for shooting, for camera work. There’s less glare for the glass, uh, for camera work. There’s better contrast between the chalk and the, uh, and the substrate, believe it or not, um, you don’t ruin the marker when you go over another line. So if you take a black dry erase over a red line, you can now got the black on the red and it’s fucked. And

Sevan Matossian (03:07):

You okay.

Greg Glassman (03:08):

Be making, making black and red forever, uh, you know, oh, the more colors available, you know, it’s, uh,

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

What about the hand? I know you’re a big hand guy. You like the way stuff feels in your hands, your texture. You always talk about the way things feel. You’re okay with the chalk on your hands and the mess and the dust for room. Room?

Greg Glassman (03:25):

Not really. Nope. Nope. <laugh>. It’s just, it’s the cost of educating, but it’s a, it’s a better, it’s a better way. And there’s also things you can do. Tricks, like dotted lines and stuff that can be done with chalk that you can’t do with dry erase. So anyways, I asked myself, but look how easy it’s to get me triggered. Um, I said to myself, I can’t be the only partisan in the chalk versus dry erase debate. You know, why do I care no one else says. And you know, I’ve even got my favorite chalk, right?

Sevan Matossian (03:54):

Yeah. Yeah. What was the name? Look at George from the United States Marine Corps says you can also shade with chalk.

Greg Glassman (03:59):

There you go. There you go. Thank you. It’s for George. Leave it to a marine to, and they have to do everything in PowerPoint, right? Or in the sand with a stick. But I, I put a chalk versus dry erase into Google. And a New York Times article showed up on this book, do Not Erase. And it’s, uh, mathematicians in their chalkboards. And so, uh, I got it. And, uh, truly inspirational. An amazing thing. So the glass board you see here behind me. Yeah. I’ve actually, I’ve actually ordered a, a chalkboard to replace it.

Sevan Matossian (04:38):

No shit.

Greg Glassman (04:39):

Or I’ll move it over. I’ll do something. But,

Sevan Matossian (04:42):

And for some reason, this is your chalk of choice. Is that the, the, the Hogo Romo, yeah.

Greg Glassman (04:49):

Yeah. Hago Romo. And in fact, in the New York Times article, the Hao Chalk is mentioned in the, in the, uh, in the, uh, this stuff’s amazing. Silk is mentioned in the, uh, uh, second paragraph of the story that chalk nuts and chalkboard nuts are nuts about their hamo chalk. And I can testify.

Sevan Matossian (05:12):

Um, do you have to be introduced into that? Is, is is chalkboard work? Um, uh, is, is that a way of thinking? Is that a way of processing? And how do you get into that? If that is like, what is that, what what is chalkboard work like? You, you will go into a room by yourself with a chalkboard.

Greg Glassman (05:30):


Sevan Matossian (05:31):

Like, how is the first time you, do you remember the first time you did that? Was that awkward? Like, how do you get into that? Do you get what I’m saying? It’s like, um, to you, maybe it seems secondhand, but to me it’s kind of weird. It’s like something I wish I, I had as part of my practice. I

Greg Glassman (05:48):

Don’t, I don’t know the origins of it.

Sevan Matossian (05:51):

E even for yourself.

Greg Glassman (05:52):

Yeah. I had a, as a kid, I had a dry erase board, a four by eight dry erase with tray sitting on my dresser, leaning against the wall,

Sevan Matossian (06:01):

Four foot by eight foot

Greg Glassman (06:02):

Uhhuh <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (06:03):

Your dad bought it for you.

Greg Glassman (06:05):

He must have. I didn’t have any fucking money.

Sevan Matossian (06:07):

Right. And you never knew what it was for. He wasn’t like, Hey, he wouldn’t like write your chores on there or something every morning. He didn’t buy it for you in someplace it for you.

Greg Glassman (06:15):

I’m sure. I’m sure there was more of that than I wanna remember.

Sevan Matossian (06:20):

Wow. Crazy. And, uh, and you, and if, if you had ideas from a young kid, you would just put them up there.

Greg Glassman (06:27):

Yeah. Liz,

Sevan Matossian (06:28):

Right? You’d worked on ’em. Yeah. Oh, I can see your TV in the, um, barely. But I can see your TV in the, in the mirror in the background. I can’t see what it is.

Greg Glassman (06:36):

Yeah. I was listening to, uh, to, uh, some of the, uh, uh, testimony of, uh, what’s his name? The special prosecutor.

Sevan Matossian (06:49):

Oh, Durham.

Greg Glassman (06:50):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (06:53):

It’s really bad. And not the testimony, but the information. It, it, it’s kind of, it kind of hurts. It kind of hurts my heart at 51. I’m still waking up to just the fucking sheer corruptness is that guy. I, is that guy partisan? Greg is that guy, uh, uh, Republican or Democrat? What’s his deal? Because he says some pretty damning shit about the Clintons.

Greg Glassman (07:14):

Well, he, you know, do I think he’s telling the truth? I do.

Sevan Matossian (07:20):

Um, okay. More important.

Greg Glassman (07:21):

At this point though, he’s partisan whether he wanted to be or had a bias or not.

Sevan Matossian (07:28):

Meaning the Democrats hate him.

Greg Glassman (07:30):

That’s correct. We know people, we know people that were gourd, people that were, that whose friends were all, were all, uh, Democrats were all liberals, who in the course of their professional work, spoke truth and got canceled, dissociated, uh, ostracized, pushed out. And it’s been, it’s been a life altering situation.

Sevan Matossian (08:04):

Uh, politicians, scientists, teachers, just people who were That’s correct. Who were, who were liberals, but who were like, Hey, this doesn’t make sense. And then were pushed out.

Greg Glassman (08:13):


Sevan Matossian (08:15):

In that, in that re I watched some,

Greg Glassman (08:17):

And, you know, I don’t, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna speak for anyone, but boy, you got a handful of ’em at Stanford alone on the subject of Covid.

Sevan Matossian (08:24):


Greg Glassman (08:28):

And I’d say more about it, but I’ve, these people have c come to be somewhere between acquaintances and friends at this point. And so I’m not, I’m not gonna tell their story, but wow. What a story to be told.

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

Um, not just top scientists in the world, but the top

Greg Glassman (08:46):

Scientist. You know, I don’t know if there were, I don’t know what a top is

Sevan Matossian (08:48):

Mean, meaning, well, I’ll be a

Greg Glassman (08:50):

Metric. People famous for their professional work in the, in the health space

Sevan Matossian (08:54):

And, and most cited in, in the world maybe. Uh, yes.

Greg Glassman (08:57):


Sevan Matossian (08:57):


Greg Glassman (08:58):

Currently alive. Legends. Legends,

Sevan Matossian (09:00):


Greg Glassman (09:00):

That said, Hey, wait a minute, this doesn’t add up. And, and, uh, in some part, because of the media that would listen to ’em, they’re now on the other side recognized to be bad guys. It’s crazy. And so they’re people without a country, and this has happened to New York Times writers, to Stanford professors of medicine, blah, blah, blah.

Sevan Matossian (09:24):

What do you mean by that? People without a country,

Greg Glassman (09:26):

It’s not, it’s not new here. Um, I mean, this has been, this has been going on for, for a long while.

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

What, what do you mean without a country? Look,

Greg Glassman (09:38):

What did I say?

Sevan Matossian (09:39):

Uh, people without a country, now they’re people without a country. Oh,

Greg Glassman (09:41):

Within, within and without the country, maybe.

Sevan Matossian (09:44):


Greg Glassman (09:45):


Sevan Matossian (09:47):

Basically something their country turned on.

Greg Glassman (09:50):

Peter Goce. No, the, no, the, uh, the, uh, intellectual, academic, scientific apparatus turned on him. Peter Goche spoke truth to H P V vaccine. He spoke truth to, uh, to, uh, mammograms. Uh, he spoke the truth about, uh, what else? What was the, what was the other thing?

Sevan Matossian (10:19):

And he got wiped off of Wikipedia, right?

Greg Glassman (10:21):

No, he got, uh, he got removed from the Cochrane board under, under bizarre accusations that never panned out to be anything. And he had no less than the likes of John I and ti saying, he’s the most important medical researcher in all of Europe. And, uh, what’s going on here? And boom, he got, he got canceled psych meds for peds. That’s the other thing. He had the audacity to reveal that that psych meds, uh, for in pediatrics, in peds in children, uh, gives a significantly increased rate of suicide. Antidepressants cause suicide in teens. And Peter Goche points that out and, and life changed for him. That and the mammogram deal, same kind of thing. We all watched that happen. The world watched that happen.

Sevan Matossian (11:17):

And, and the mammogram deal,

Greg Glassman (11:19):

When he came out to us and we sat with him, I’m like, dude, you like, I don’t know. I don’t know why you’re still walking around.

Sevan Matossian (11:28):

You mean you surprised people didn’t kill him?

Greg Glassman (11:30):

The league of forces against you at the point that you’ve stood up to Bill Gates and his HPV vaccine announced to the world that the, that mammograms, uh, annually for people under 50 are doing more harm than good. That was another goer stunt. And he comes, he comes arm, he’s a PhD md. He’s held some of the most illustrious positions in and outside of industry and academia, uh, co-founder of what the Cochrane, uh, collaboration. I mean, this guy’s a legend. A legend, but he’s called BS on too much bs and the amount of market force behind, uh, psych meds and, uh, screening, prophylactic screening for every kind of thing you could ever imagine fearing. And, uh, the totality of, of market forces against the guy like that is overwhelming.

Sevan Matossian (12:29):

Uh, which brings up this interesting point. Um, he did speak at one of the, uh, CF MD L one s, right? CrossFit medical level ones. This guy, uh, gosier,

Greg Glassman (12:38):

He spoke at the, at the Derelict Doctor’s Club at the ddc, which was a better than just an appearance in an, at an L one, the L one, the L one was satellite to the, uh, speaker’s event that we did. That went on almost as long as the, as an L one did. And so one was going on in one building, as you recall, and the other, and the other. And, and Peter Goer was one of the speakers at the CrossFit Derelict Club.

Sevan Matossian (13:06):

Uh, so I, I had forgotten that. So basically the way Greg had it set up is he would invite doctors, they would take their CrossFit level one, and then once they had taken their CrossFit level one at one of these, um, medical doctors level ones, which was basically just the same as a level one, but you did it all with doctors, then you could come back for other events. And you didn’t take the level one, but you heard these speakers that came from around the world.

Greg Glassman (13:27):

That’s correct. And the formation from it was amazing. After we did the first MDL one at the second one we did, guys that went to the first one showed up and were being derelicts and interrupting the L one, uh, that was in progress that they were interlopers at.

Sevan Matossian (13:45):

Right? Right. So you gave ’em something to do. Listen to speakers.

Greg Glassman (13:50):

Well, let’s bring, let’s take, get ’em over to my house, first off, feed ’em something and let’s get some speakers. And the next thing you know, we got Sifri in the kitchen and Tim Nos and whoever else we got around, it was a, it was a good parade of folks.

Sevan Matossian (14:07):

It’s, it’s, it’s almost like you, you’re not a great scientist until you make that journey. Like, it, it’s almost like you have to make the journey through academia, through all these presuppositions. And then when you come out the other side, like when, when you mention notes, go from eating so many carbs to give yourself type two diabetes to then realize, oh, shit, I’ve been, I I’ve been going the wrong way.

Greg Glassman (14:29):

The people that we called me spurts, that we brought through the Zoe Combs, Malcolm Kendricks, uh, uh, Jason Fong, all those people that we had out Thomas Siegfried, they’re, they’re outstanding in that as researchers, as scientists, as writers, as physicians, um, they know something critical, something vitally important that is also not mainstream. In fact, it’s often orthogonal or diametric, you know, very much in opposition to mainstream, uh, position, but nonetheless essential in the biological sense of vital to the performance or health of the organism. And, and they’re, they seem alone, but they’re not, because there are a whole lot of us that know they’re right. But the most of us that know that they’re right, come into one of several camps. One is you, there’s nothing you can do about it other than maybe in your own life. But there are others that know their right and are in no position to their own safety or security to say anything. And so, what we came to see in these Mess, PERTs, and I wrote something to this effect in the forward to, uh, the redoing of the cholesterol book, um, the anthology. But, uh, these folks are marketed in both their, their brilliance to know something that others don’t, and then their, uh, bravery to say something about it where even some of the others that do know won’t, or feel they can’t. And this is true, clearly of Tim Nokes, of Gary Tke, of Zoe Harol, I, you know, Malcolm Kendrick, Thomas Sifri,

Sevan Matossian (16:11):

Jay Charya, you throw him in there for

Greg Glassman (16:13):

Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, he, Jay’s an interesting character, um, a a brilliant man, a brilliant scientist, uh, uh, economist and a physician. And, uh, you know, he, he’s, uh, I, I don’t, I don’t want to, I wanna speak for Jay. I’ve got a lot of, lot of respect for him. And he’s been right. He’s been right,

Sevan Matossian (16:41):

Yeah. O over him over’s. Yeah. Put a media on. He was at your, um, uh, the last two, uh, BSI events, maybe three. Uh, I’ve, I’ve, I’ve met him, had the honor to meet him over at, uh, just in the audience there. Great guy.

Greg Glassman (16:57):

It, it’s an honor to sit with him and, and listen to him. And, uh, he’s, he’s extremely well read. He’s, uh, he just about digest anything you give him to read. He’s, uh, I have an immense respect for, for Dr. Charya.

Sevan Matossian (17:14):

I saw this, um, I saw this, uh, study. I don’t, I’m probably gonna misquote it, but here we go. Anyway, it was, uh, they, they took, um, they gave students who were going into college a critical thinking test as they entered college. And then they gave it to ’em again as they left. And the only major that improved their critical thinking were people who were, uh, economists, uh, economic majors. And that I find that, I find that interesting, right? Cause they’re dealing with numbers and, and theories around numbers and, and how numbers work and how money works, right. And how, how it moves and changes. And, uh, this guy, is that right? You said he’s a, he’s a PhD in economics Yeah. And an md what a combination, right?

Greg Glassman (17:56):


Sevan Matossian (18:00):

The, the CrossFit level, the cross this, um, uh, Molo says, um, Greg, we missed you at CrossFit Health. We had a great meeting you and Sev at MDL one five years ago. So I, I don’t mean to shit on anyone or anything, but the CrossFit, that CrossFit Health can’t be, that was yours. Right? Meaning I always thought of that as kind of your passion project. And, uh, it was about, um, it cut the name was kind of weird cuz it was CrossFit Health, but one of the mission statements was to show the ills of modern medicine, right?

Greg Glassman (18:31):


Sevan Matossian (18:32):

Yeah. And I think a lot of people interpreted it as a, as, as something different. But it’s definitely not that now. Right? As far as I know, they don’t, that’s why you would have all those speakers come simultaneously to show, Hey, a lot of the things those speakers did is, Hey, this is where medicine lost its way. And this is, you know, this is where science lost its way.

Greg Glassman (18:51):

Yeah. The, the pattern by which the, the truth was, was, uh, uh, withheld or, or, uh, kept at arm’s length, the repression of the truth and the methods of the nonsense science became very familiar to a large group of people that are to this day friends. And so, you know, um, uh, it was easy to make, to make, uh, good friends of these people and their stories eventually became very, very familiar and became, you know, what, what a great thing to see, uh, Thomas Siegfried meet Malcolm Kendrick, you know, and to be able to do that in your home. But, uh, the Alliance is a natural one. Think of the kinship again, I’m gonna go back to people smarter than everyone else in braver than anyone else. I had, I had people tell me that, you know, uh, uh, uh, neurologist from Australia, that, you know, it’s a friend of ours who told me that what Gary Feki went through would’ve destroyed him.


That Feki was well established, multi-generational kind of physician, uh, with a whole lot of money, and, uh, had the resources time and, and money to fight this thing. And he says, I would’ve been destroyed by it. And that’s what led Russ Green to offer that you can win a, you can lose a war and win the battles. And it’s that marginal cost that’s, uh, that’s, that’s, uh, the problem. And so what FET key battled, and one, and what, uh, uh, the young pediatrician in, in, uh, Sweden fought and won. And what, uh, Tim notes fought and won was entirely discouraging to the, to the rest of the practitioners watching. And the message was loud and clear than, unless you’ve got a lot of money and a lot of resources, you better be very careful about what you say. And that can be true of sugar, of statins, of cholesterol, of vaccines, covid in particular.

Sevan Matossian (21:23):

Yeah. That one was just crazy. Just out in the open.

Greg Glassman (21:27):

Still crazy,

Sevan Matossian (21:30):

Crazy. Uh, this is at, uh, by the way, this is at the CrossFit Games, um, I don’t know, 2018. 19, you invited Feki and, and others out to, to talk. Does Feki have a book?

Greg Glassman (21:47):

Yeah, I think so.

Sevan Matossian (21:49):

Uh, for anyone who’s interested, it’s, uh, Gary, g a r y, Fettke, F e t t K e. And the name of this lecture, it’s on the CrossFit, uh, YouTube channel. It’s called The Role of Nutrition and everything. He’s, he’s very, uh, I don’t know what the word is, palatable. No. No one should be, uh, yeah, he’s palatable.

Greg Glassman (22:10):

Look, his story’s his story’s pretty simple. Um, I, I took off the toes and the feet and the legs of your grandfather. I took off the toes, and then the feet and the legs of your mother, and now we’re taking off your toes. And, and the problem with your diabetes is fueled by the sugar you’re consuming. That was his sin. That’s where he got into trouble. Imagine that.

Sevan Matossian (22:37):

Yeah. Crazy.

Greg Glassman (22:38):

Yeah. He was speaking outside of orthopedics and had no right to do so, and it put him in a pitched battle with enormous costs for his medical license. Fighting what? Nutritionists and what else? Scholars from the US of course, always,

Sevan Matossian (22:55):

Uh, bought and paid for scholars.

Greg Glassman (22:57):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look up Research. International Life Sciences Institute. Sounds good. It couldn’t be, it couldn’t be, it couldn’t be uglier.

Sevan Matossian (23:08):

Oh, so much shit like that. Yeah. Um, uh, totally different subject here real quick. Uh, Greg, thoughts on, um, uh, Justin Berg before you answer that, uh, Justin got, um, we don’t know what happened, um, but he’s, he’s no longer with CrossFit, uh, bud Hole. I think that’s a play on butt hole. Coach Glassman, why did you hire Justin Berg?

Greg Glassman (23:30):

I didn’t. That was, uh, you know, I didn’t,

Sevan Matossian (23:36):

That was, that was below your pay grade.

Greg Glassman (23:38):

Yeah. I wanna, I wanna blame Tony, not credit

Sevan Matossian (23:42):


Greg Glassman (23:44):

I wanna give Tony credit for jb

Sevan Matossian (23:48):

Uh, uh,

Greg Glassman (23:49):

He’s, I wish, I wish him well in his new endeavors.

Sevan Matossian (23:53):


Greg Glassman (23:53):

And I know he always wanted to do something in the golf world mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And so I’m sure we’ll be seeing him on the Golf channel soon.

Sevan Matossian (24:03):

Uh, yep. Fair. Uh, Jan Clark, these weekly, uh, live lives with Greg are excellent. Well, good. Thank you. Well, don’t, thanks, John. We’ve only begun, we’re only 24 minutes in

Greg Glassman (24:15):

Jan. Is that a play on board?

Sevan Matossian (24:17):

Uh, I don’t, I think that’s the guy’s real name.

Greg Glassman (24:19):

I ca I’m kidding. Of course. He’s,

Sevan Matossian (24:22):

Uh, we’re just, uh, listen, listen guys, I’m trying to get through the comments and, uh, stay engaged with the boss man. Um, uh, you talk about work, uh, bench, uh, Greg, you talk about workbench scientists. Workbench scientists. Can you define that for me? Uh, Logan Mars?

Greg Glassman (24:41):

I don’t know. I don’t know that I did.

Sevan Matossian (24:43):

Yeah. I’m trying to remember where. I don’t remember that either. I wanna look that term up. Hold on. Is that a term workbench scientist? I don’t even remember using that either. Uh, workbench scientist.

Greg Glassman (24:54):

I think I know what it is though.

Sevan Matossian (24:57):

What, what is it? Let me see

Greg Glassman (24:58):

If I can find definition. It’s, it’s a, it’s a guy who’s, uh, doing significant science in the garage. I mean, I think we’d have to say that Gregor Mendel was a workbench scientist. There’s a, there’s a guy from J P l a rocket fuel guy that was having explosions going off in his neighborhood in Pasadena. It may have even been a documentary done on him. What does it say?

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

That was, that was something totally different. Oh, look it, yeah. Topless people at the White House. Uh, uh, uh, all scientific research conducted at medical schools and teaching hospitals ultimately aims to improve health and ability, basic science, research, research often called fundamental or bench, uh, research. This is the wrong definition. This, I, I I’ve taken this tongue down the wrong path. Uh, uh, bench, uh, science is scientific research experimentation usually conducted in a laboratory.

Greg Glassman (25:52):

Yep. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (25:54):

But I like, but I like, I like what you’re saying. People who are doing significant work just in their own garage. I mean, I, I, I, I al I think that’s how, um, the

Greg Glassman (26:05):

Bit, the, the fundamental engineering projects that come out of a place like a Hughes or Lit and Raytheon, j p l, they have laboratories that are filtering up information that gets fed into kind of fundamental science in real time. Weekly, sometimes daily experiments that are being used to, to help, to build hardware, to shape software, to alter, alter the technology that’s employed for whatever it is, imaging, radar systems, blah, blah, blah. With Allison. That’s, that’s, that’s bench science. Allison, again,

Sevan Matossian (26:41):

She changed her picture. Uh, uh, Greg, I I would like to apologize. Did you say mammograms cause cancer? My coffee maker was too loud.

Greg Glassman (26:48):

I’m saying that Peter Goche made the case very convincingly, mathematically, statistically that, uh, uh, annual mammograms for people under 50 does more harm than good for women under 50. Can I say women or do I have to say people?

Sevan Matossian (27:07):

Oh, you can say on this show, you can still say women, uh, Riley s Yeah. Go shoot your boobs with radiation every year. A mammogram’s not shooting your boobs with radiation. Is it? Is

Greg Glassman (27:16):

It? Yeah, it’s an ionizing radiation, I believe. Oh, but listen, I look, I’m not, I’m not here to be an expert on, uh, on uh, uh, radiation boobs or, uh, mammograms. But, uh, I, I would endorse a read of Peter Goer’s, uh, book on mammography. It’s a hard read. And I don’t mean from the standpoint of, of technically difficult, though. It is mildly challenging. Um, it’s, it’s, it’s just shocking. And the resistance to, to something that is so clearly shown

Sevan Matossian (27:56):

On the book. Uh, well, it’s, it’s not even the first one that comes up on, um, on Amazon

Greg Glassman (28:05):

<laugh>. I bet.

Sevan Matossian (28:06):

David Weed. Uh, does Greg have, um, water, spicy water? Wow. You know, my drink, David. Wow. Spicy watermelon and, uh, margaritas for breakfast. No, that’s, that’s my drink. That is not, no,

Greg Glassman (28:17):

No, that’s not a breakfast drink.

Sevan Matossian (28:18):

That’s not great. Uh, Trish, annual cancer screenings are another racket.

Greg Glassman (28:29):

Here’s what I think, here’s what I think. Gilbert Welch, another guy who ran into some trouble. Um, he was a, he’s a PhD, mathematician MD hired by N I H to make the case for, uh, glaucoma, uh, uh, uh, uh, what’s the prostate? One, uh, prostate specific antibodies. PS a testing, let’s see, it was glaucoma.

Sevan Matossian (28:58):

What’s the guy’s name again? Greg, uh,

Greg Glassman (28:59):

Colonoscopy Gilbert Welch. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And one at a time. He looks at these things and he comes to the conclusion that, man, all the advantage disappears and becomes negative once you start screening health healthy people. That the false positive and the downsides of, of treatment for people who don’t really need it, um, clearly caused more harm than good. He could find this out over and over again with everything he tested. So he had to go

Sevan Matossian (29:30):

Gilbert? Oh, he did have to. Oh, from Harvard? Yeah.

Greg Glassman (29:32):

He ran. Yep. Wow. He doesn’t think that, he doesn’t think that healthy people should be screened for things. The absent symptoms, you should stay away.

Sevan Matossian (29:45):

A Dartmouth college investigation has concluded that Dr. H Gilbert, Gilbert Welch, one of the country’s most prominent healthcare policy scholars committed research misconduct. Oh. So now they’re slamming him.

Greg Glassman (29:55):

That’s what it looked like to me.

Sevan Matossian (29:58):


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