#950 – Seth Gruber | A Dose Of Reality

Sevan Matossian (00:04):

Bam. We’re live. Oh boy. Oh boy.

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Oh boy. Oh, oh, oh

Sevan Matossian (00:15):

Boy. Good morning, Jessica. Good morning. Jesus. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Louis. Good morning. Who has a bad back? God, my back is strong this morning. I didn’t even realize it. I take it for granted when it feels good. I know you were talking to, uh, jeez Louise Uhoh echo better. Uh, yeah. I take it for granted when I wake up and my back feels good. What’s wrong with, geez Louise. Uh, my left posterior is all jacked. I have a dull sensation from my butt cheek to my knee. Ooh, I don’t like that. I don’t like that time for some toe spacers time for some toe spacers. Oh, I’m gonna fuck you up today, Seth. I came prepared. You better brought your A game, dude.

Seth Gruber (01:05):

<laugh>. Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

I got nothing. What’s wrong with me? This show is supposed to be about you, but let’s talk about me. What is wrong with me? Why do I have the abortion guy on? It cannot be G. Look it. I bet you I already got a ding from YouTube for saying that word <laugh>. Why do I keep this? Is this can’t be good for ratings?

Seth Gruber (01:27):

No, all you have to do is you have to, you have to praise it. If you, if you celebrate child sacrifice, sorry, reproductive healthcare, um, then, then, then you’re allowed to remain on, uh, on big tech. You know? That’s how it goes.

Sevan Matossian (01:40):

I, I told myself, I’m like, I’m like, what? Why do I, so what inspired me to invite you back on is I just, this argument you had was just amazing to this lady. You said you were coming up for reasons why, but I, I’m gonna ruin it. I’m not gonna do it as good as you. But you’re like, Hey, let’s talk about reasons why, uh, you would have an abortion. And, you know, you’re like, uh, because you wanna go to law school and you’re pregnant, uh, because you can’t afford the child, uh, because the baby’s got down syndrome. And you’re like basically going through the list, and then you’re like, uh, but it, it’s a girl. And lay’s like, no, no, you can’t kill it. Cuz it’s, it’s, it’s a girl. And all of a sudden this person drew the line on reasons why you couldn’t, couldn’t kill a baby. And I was like, holy shit. That, that’s gotta be the most powerful thing I’ve ever heard. Mean thank you, man. You mean every reason to kill a baby is okay, except for the fact if you wanted a boy and you, and, and, and you’re pregnant with a girl. And I was like, oh man.

Seth Gruber (02:34):

Oh, well that’s, that’s, that’s why I, you know, that’s why I appreciate you. I appreciate that you’re willing to, um, have good conversations and ask hard questions. And, uh, while we, you know, while we’re kind of all over the place, p probably politically and, and religiously, um, I appreciate that, you know, you believe that there is truth and that, uh, we can kind of know it to some extent. We actually have faculties of reason, <laugh>, we have a rational nature. We’re not just like, like a lion or a tiger that just like indulges every desire we have in any moment. Uh, and we can think through and talk through these things. And I, you know, I appreciate you being willing to ask those questions. But yeah, so when, when you start rubbing up against, um, liberal orthodoxy, <laugh>, let’s call it, um, then the, the, as I like to say that the liberal establishment begins to collapse in on itself, um, kind of like a dying star. W when you start going after some of their creeds and sacraments, uh, it’s hard for the position to maintain its own integrity. It’s, it’s how I say it. So that’s why I I will ask questions, um, that kind of poke at, um, creeds that the, the leftist, uh, totalitarian worldview or the liberal establishment really loves to try to reassert the self-evident nature of the pro-life position in the person’s mind. Uh, and so, yeah, I don’t know which, I don’t know which clip you’re talking about, but we had one girl, I

Sevan Matossian (03:58):

Tried to find it. It’s from, it’s from, uh, months ago. You have so much great content on your Instagram.

Seth Gruber (04:04):

Well, thanks, man. Um, but yeah, there we were at one university recently, bro, and the, the girl was like, well, I, I disagree with using abortion as a form of birth control. She, she’s like, and I said, why? And she said, well, I just think it’s, I just think it’s immoral or irresponsible. And I said, who, who are you to judge? The fetus has no right to her body anyways. So it wouldn’t matter why the mom got an abortion, if, if the thing in the womb, which they call fetus, which is the Latin word for offspring or small child. So it’s actually not dehumanizing to call the baby in the womb of fetus. It just means offspring and small child. If, if the fetus is not a person and doesn’t have a right to life, which is the pro-choice position. And like I told you last time, bro, I kind of sense that you’re not really fully on board with the whole abortion industry’s positions. But, but, you know,

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

Well, the problem is, is I I know how to, that’s their position. Think a little bit. I like That’s right. I know how to think a little bit. So it’s fucking with me. You know what I mean? That’s right.

Seth Gruber (05:02):

I know how think a little bit. But you know, you know that that’s their position. Their position is the fetus has no right to life. Their, their position is not, it is, it is sometimes wrong to kill the unborn child. Their position is that, um, there is no situation in which it’s wrong to kill the unborn child. That, that the mother’s right to bodily autonomy always trumps the child’s right to life. Right. Um, or, or that the child ha if, if it does have a right to life, the mother’s rights always trump that, right? Uh, but many times, pro pro-abortion people will just say, no, actually the fetus has zero rights whatsoever. Because they’ll say it’s not a person. Which I always say, well, that kinda makes you sound like an 1850s Democrat. But anyways, I digress. Not the first time Democrats have said an entire class of human beings weren’t persons <laugh>, but, but that is the language that they’ve used.


They’ve said the, the, the pre-born is not a person in the, in the way that we use that word in the Hillary Clinton has said this for years, that the pre-born is not a person. Roe v Wade in 1973 said, the term person as used in the constitution does not include the unborn. So if that is their position, okay? And, and if that is correct, like let, let’s grant them the benefit of the doubt, then any reason you kill them is okay. Any reason you kill them is okay, cuz the they have no rights whatsoever. They’re not

Sevan Matossian (06:24):

One of us. Well, they’re establishing that is, that has been established legally not right? I mean, based in California they’re trying to make, in California, they’re trying to make it so you could even kill the baby, uh, one week after it’s out of the womb. And you can’t question the parents on what happened to the baby,

Seth Gruber (06:40):

Right? So, well, there are,

Sevan Matossian (06:41):

And that’s, that’s by the way, that’s batshit crazy. But what I just said in case anyone’s wondering if that’s true, that’s a hundred percent true. I think that’s a stop wiener thing. Yeah.

Seth Gruber (06:49):

<laugh>. Yeah. Gosh, don’t let me, don’t get me started on him, but yeah, no. Well, Newsom, uh, last year, as you’ll recall, uh, signed pr uh, I think it was Prop one, which codified abortion, um, in, through point of birth into the California state Constitution. And then they had AB 2223, which you might recall, AB 2223, which, which had this word in it perinatal, which was really interesting, bro. So they, they were saying that, so this, what they, what they were doing is they were anticipating that Roe v Wade would get overturned, okay? So they were acting proactively, um, and they had this whole future of abortion council, I covered it in my podcast at the time. It’s called the California Future of Abortion Council, right? Because they’re preparing future, what’s the future of abortion predicting the Roy Wade getting overturned and Newsom and a bunch of abortion industry groups and leftist groups had built this like over 40, uh, i 40 numbered list of the kind of things they wanted to do legislatively and politically in California.


Um, and so they began to implement these legislatively over the last year. And, and they’re all coming from that California future of abortion council list by about a year and a half ago or more. Um, but one of those was AB 2223, and it said that, that it would prevent investigations into the deaths of babies due to miscarriage, abortion or perinatal death, perinatal, P e R I and then natal perinatal. And you, so you pause, right, bro, and you go, wait, what is, what is a, what’s perinatal death? Um, when you look at the definition, and it, it can refer to a baby up to 28 days after birth up to 28 days after birth. So the word perinatal, like perinatal treatment for the child or, or something could refer to the baby in the womb still at a gestational age of development or up to 28 days after birth.


And so you scratch your head, bro, and you go, wait a second, why do Democrats in California wanna prevent investigations into the deaths of babies due to perinatal death when that could refer to infants already born <laugh>? Right? It’s like, wait, you surely, surely, Democrats, you’re not saying, see, there it is. Surely you’re not saying that you want to arrange a legal situation in which infants can be murdered up to one month old and have zero ability for the authorities to look into how and why that happened. No, you, you’re not that crazy. Well, the conservatives, you know, raised a, you know, a huge, uh, you know, terror and, and, and sound over this, and they didn’t take it out. They didn’t take it outta the bill. So yeah, to your point, there’s no limiting principle. Maybe this is not the language you use, but there’s no limiting principle to the pro-abortion position.


They’re now kind of admitting, interestingly, bro, think about this one. They’re now kind of admitting what pro-lifers have always said. What do, what, what do pro-lifers say? There’s no value giving difference between the baby in the womb and the baby outside the womb that would make it okay to kill the baby in the womb? I’ll say that one more time. There’s no value giving difference between children in the womb and children outside the womb that would make it okay to kill them in the womb. So there’s no, like, there’s no like magical line of development in, in utero where you’re like, well, two seconds before this line, it was obviously not a person, but now that they did cross this magical line, now it’s the person. So, so, but now Democrats seem to be proving the pro-life principle. Correct. But instead of saying, well, then we should protect both children in the womb, outside the womb, they’ve actually flipped it.


And they said, yeah, pro-lifers are right. There’s actually not really any meaningful differences between babies in the womb, babies outside the womb. So let’s kill him outside the womb too. Um, and this go went back to Ralph Northam in Virginia. Do you remember this? In 2019 before the pandemic, uh, Ralph Northam, former governor of Virginia, he went on a radio show and he was asked about his, his, his, um, one of his legislator’s bills, his representative’s bills. Her name was Kathy Tran. And, and he, he was asked about her pro-abortion bill because it was gonna codify abortion like we were talking about in California, bro, through point of birth into the state of Virginia. And there was this viral clip where this judge was asking representative Kathy Tran from Virginia to, to, to answer the question, will your bill and you, you can find this later, it was pretty viral clip.


Will your bill allow abortion through point of birth? And she wouldn’t answer the question, oh yeah, this judge I’ve seen. Yeah. And yeah. And this judge was like, okay, let me speak clearly. Um, she’s dilating, he like built out the scenario, this woman’s dilating, uh, it it with the language in your bill, could she legally request an abortion? And Kathy Tran goes, like, you could see her face get uncomfortable. And then she said, yes, my bill would allow that. So then former Virginia Governor Ralph Northam before Glenn Yen got, uh, elected for running on parental rights and all that stuff, um, he’s asked on a radio show, so what the hell’s wrong with you in your representative and what’s going on in the Commonwealth <laugh>? And, and, uh, and he’s asked this question, what if a baby survives a botched failed abortion? And I told you last time on the show, bro, remember I have friends who are abortion survivors who survived the forceps or the saline salt solution Yes.


That tried to kill them in the womb. And he’s asked, what if a baby survived a botched abortion and was born alive after the failed abortion? And, and he, he goes, well, and now this is a direct quote. He goes, we would make the baby comfortable. So now it’s a baby, right? Cuz it traveled six inches. Um, we would resuscitate the baby if that’s what the mother wanted. Wow. And then the mother and the doctor would have a conversation. And that was the, that was the quote. And, and so Ralph Northam seems like he’s defending infanticide. So then after that, you had Senator Ben Sasse from Nebraska Pro proposed the Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, born alive, abortion Survivors Protection Act. And, um, that he proposed that in 2019, um, you wanna know, but by the time Biden entered the White House, I believe Pelosi and the Democrats had vetoed that bill over 90 times.


And all it said, I if like I read the bill, bro, it did not restrict abortions. Like it did not, it did not restrict a woman’s quote unquote right to obtain an abortion. The bill simply said this, bro. And now I’m circling to, to, um, wrap the bow on my point here. That if a baby survived a botched abortion, they had to be given the same level of medical treatment and care as any other baby would receive, born under normal circumstances. Um, you had to transfer the baby immediately to a hospital. Cuz guess what? Shocker. Abortion clinics not well equipped to save the lives of babies. Uh, that’s like a man bites dog story. I know. Um, if the, if the abortion clinic staff don’t report the fact that the baby survived a botched abortion, there’ll be legal penalties. And if they kill the baby or let the baby die, there’ll be, there’ll be legal penalties.


That’s all. It only dealt with babies who had survived botched abortions and were outside of the uterus. They vetoed that bill now, uh, over 90 times. Um, so what are they communicating? We don’t want to protect infants who have survived abortions because we are afraid that that might put into place moral premises in the law that cause American citizens to scratch their head and go, wait a second. If it’s wrong to kill a baby seconds after they’re born, it surely couldn’t be right to kill that baby seconds before they’re born. And if it’s wrong to kill the baby seconds before they’re born, how could it be right to kill them one week before their due date? And then the, the, the, the gestational trimester framework begins to unravel as Americans go, this doesn’t make sense. There’s no magical birth canal that confers personhood. So that, that’s the bow on my point there. They’re kind of admitting now that, um, yeah. Rather than protecting pre-born children and infants, let’s just kill ’em. Both

Sevan Matossian (14:32):

S Seth, how did this become a passion of yours? This topic?

Seth Gruber (14:36):

Yeah, thank you. I I I actually can’t even recall if we talked about that last time, but that’s, that’s kind of you’d ask. So I, I was raised in LA in, in Whittier, California, Uhhuh <affirmative>, um, and I was homeschooled through eighth grade mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, then I went to public high school cuz I wanted the sports jock scene and, you know, all that. Um, but, uh, you know, it was wonderful being

Sevan Matossian (14:55):

Homeschooled. What sport, what sport did you play?

Seth Gruber (14:57):

I actually, I actually ran cross country and track. Okay. Okay. So, yeah. And, um, graduated 2010 from Woodier High School. That’s Nixon’s alma mater by the way. Um, but I was homeschooled through eighth grade and my mother was the director of a pregnancy resource center. Um, oh, that’s, that’s right. In the late 1980s before I was born, cuz I was born in 91. And, uh, she was remained the director of that center in, uh, in, in bro in, uh, in, uh, Glendora.

Sevan Matossian (15:26):

Lemme ask this real quick. Seth is rather pregnant, is a pregnant, pregnant resource center like Planned Parenthood. You got it. It’s, it’s, it’s really just a place to go get abortions in my mind. Four and a half million abortions last year. Right. But, um, is, is a pregnant resource center the opposite of Planned Parenthood. It’s really to try to convince women to keep the baby not kill

Seth Gruber (15:44):

The baby. Yeah. Basically. Yeah, that’s right.

Sevan Matossian (15:45):

Okay. So it’s the opposite of a Planned Parenthood.

Seth Gruber (15:47):

It’s, that’s right. That’s a good way to describe it for the layperson. Okay. And by the way, there’s a, but there’s

Sevan Matossian (15:51):

Probably just like abortion just means kill a baby in my mind. Yeah. Like every time someone says the word abortion, I translate it to kill a baby.

Seth Gruber (15:57):

Well, that’s good. See, you’re, you’re translating what I say, translating the euphemisms of choice into reality, which is why I love the title of your episode today, A d a Dose of Reality. Um, but by the way, just as a point of of fact, um, there’s about 850,000 to a million abortions a year in America. Um, but it’s very, it’s,

Sevan Matossian (16:15):

Oh, I thought I, go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead.

Seth Gruber (16:18):

It’s very hard to get accurate numbers, um, because when Bill Clinton was president, he, um, he said that states no longer had to report their abortion data. Um, and bro, you wanna know the names of some of the states that don’t report their abortion data. California, Virginia <laugh>. So some of the states that have the sort of the, the, the, the highest abortion rates in the country. Um, and so it’s actually very difficult to get accurate numbers, um, although we can kind of get rough figures. Okay. But the Guttmacher Institute, which is Planned Parenthood statistical research branch reports, you know, between, you know, why did he do that? Eight to 900,000.

Sevan Matossian (16:58):

Sorry. Yeah.

Seth Gruber (17:00):

I don’t know how to get into the mind of a Clinton, bro. I mean, that’s, that’s a very dangerous thing to try to do. I, I don’t know if I would come out okay. But, um, um,

Sevan Matossian (17:07):

So Clinton required us when you arrest someone to write down whether they’re black or white, but when you have an abortion, you don’t have to keep that tally. He was the one that started enforcing. That’s the

Seth Gruber (17:18):

Race status. Yeah, that’s right. That’s when it changed thanks to Clinton States no longer had to report their abortion data and, and, you know, I don’t think that was coincidental. I think it was intentional to make, uh, getting accurate figures much more difficult. But anyway, just as a point of fact. But yeah, so you’ll, you’ll see numbers like 800,000, 850,000 a year. You’ll see those numbers reported, um, because of the abortion pill, which dude, by the way, according to Planned Parenthood own reporting accounts for about 50% of the annual abortions. Dude. So almost basically half of the babies killed every year in America now today are not killed with forceps or suction catheter tubes. Um, or, or, or, you know, a curette that scrapes scrapes out the lining of the uterus and removes the pregnancy to quote Planned Parenthood’s website. Uh, about half of them are now the medication abortion pill, uh, which is Mifepristone and Mis, Mifepristone and mis mestone and misoprostol. So the,

Sevan Matossian (18:09):

The sperm penetrates the egg, it attaches to the wall in the uterus, and you take this pill and it, and it detaches

Seth Gruber (18:16):

Well. So there’s conception when sperm and egg meat and a new human being comes into existence. Anyone that tells you otherwise is, uh, is lying to you. Um, and then there’s implantation, which is when that new human being, you know, travels, um, through the fallopian tube and implants in the uterine wall. Um, but

Sevan Matossian (18:35):

The, the, oh, so, oh, I didn’t know that. So you’re, oh wow. Okay. Okay. They meet up there and then they cruise down. Uh,

Seth Gruber (18:40):

Yeah. So, um, the, the, the pill, right, the pill, um, birth control pill, that, that can prevent implantation. Um, it has three fail safes. It’s supposed to, um, block the hormone progesterone, which makes it much more difficult to get pregnant. Um, secondly, it creates a mucus lining that makes the sperm harder to reach the egg. And then, uh, and I meet people all the time at events, bro, who say, Hey Seth, I just wanna let you know my mom was on the birth control pill when she got pregnant with me. So, like, we know these things are not like foolproof. So I if, if you do, if conception occurs when you’re taking the birth control pill, okay, the third fail safe in the birth control pill, uh, is to prevent implantation. Which would, which, which would be an early abortion. But I wasn’t talking about birth pill. Do you think I was, I was, I was talking about the abortion pill, which a woman takes when she already has a positive pregnancy test.

Sevan Matossian (19:30):

Anyway, I, I wanna read, I wanna read this really quick. This is, um, from Seth Gruber’s, uh, Instagram account. It says, for those of you can see, this is an incredible picture. It’s, it’s a baby. And like with two, uh, the pointer finger and I guess the thumb, yeah. Showing the size of the baby. And you can see the baby. I mean, it’s got hands and eyes and shit. It says, this photo was taken at the University of Minnesota by photographer Robert Wolf in 1972. That was zero. I was born, it was taken during surgery, uh, for an, uh, ectopic pregnancy. No one can deny the humanity of the unborn even in these early stages. Well, I, someone can deny it. I don’t, but anyway, we’ll go on. A doctor who was present for the surgery later shared this testimony. This is crazy. Listen up. Years ago, while giving an anesthetic for a ruptured ectopic pregnancy at two months, that’s eight weeks people, I was handed what I believe was the smallest living human ever seen. The embryo sack was intact and transparent within the sack was a tiny human male,

Seth Gruber (20:28):


Sevan Matossian (20:29):

Swimming extremely vigorously in the amniotic fluid while attached to the wall by the umbilical cord. This tiny human was perfectly developed with long tapering fingers, feet and toes. It was almost transparent as regards the skin. And the delicate arteries and veins were prominent to the end of the fingers. The baby was extremely alive and did not look at, at all like the photos and drawings of embryos, which I have seen when the sack was opened, the tiny human immediately lost its life and took on the appearance of what is accepted as the appearance of an embryo at this stage. Blunt extremities.

Seth Gruber (21:07):

Yep. Paul

Sevan Matossian (21:08):

Wrote, dude, that’s crazy.

Seth Gruber (21:09):

Isn’t that beautiful?

Sevan Matossian (21:10):

Swimming vigorously. Okay, so those are the, when you take the, you can take the pill at eight weeks and, and, and detach that thing, Seth is that abortion pill.

Seth Gruber (21:20):

So the correct, the abortion pill, which is also known as r u 4 86. And I’ll give you a, a historical bomb on that in just a second

Sevan Matossian (21:28):

And we will get back to where your mom worked. But go on, I’ll get us back in’s all good. It’s, yeah. Okay, go on.

Seth Gruber (21:32):

We’re, we’re chilling. The abortion pill is taken from any, uh, as early as when, you know you’re pregnant. Okay. Up to 10 weeks now. A few, um, a few years ago, it was eight weeks. It, it, the FDA only recommended that the abortion pill be taken up through eight weeks. And then randomly the science changed and suddenly it was up through 10 weeks. No explanation given as to how they deemed it was, it was safe for mom to take it up two weeks longer. And actually recently there’s been a push by the FDA and the abortion industry to move it to 12 weeks, which is like flirting with the, the beginning of the second trimester

Sevan Matossian (22:06):

Increases sales by 20%. Cuz now you have a, a group, right? I mean, theoretically. Cause now you have a group of people who can take it for two, two, uh, 20% longer. That’s right.

Seth Gruber (22:13):

Well, and remember that because I said the abortion pill, uh, accounts for 50% of the annual abortions in America today, that those are Planned Parenthood numbers. Um, and so why is that beneficial to the abortion industry? Well, um, the blood thirsty bloodsucking abortion industry. Well, because, uh, that abortion pill is cheap to manufacture and you can sell at high margins, it does not require brick and mortar abortion centers. So you’re getting, you don’t have to have as many operating centers paying the lease on all these buildings. Uh, it doesn’t require abortion staff. You don’t have to have a whole staffed up brick and mortar abortion center, and you don’t have to pay the third party vendors that come with the hazardous waste, um, medical waste buckets to dump the limbs of babies and to take them away and in Washington DC to burn them to fund the city’s electricity. Um, I mean, no

Sevan Matossian (23:01):

Shit. Are they doing, are they That’s a clean energy, uh, uh, yeah. Use, like they burn the babies for clean energy.

Seth Gruber (23:07):

Yeah. Yeah. Is that

Sevan Matossian (23:07):

Really fucking true? Seth,

Seth Gruber (23:09):

My buddy AJ Hurley, who you would, uh, wow. You want, you wanna have the, the dose of reality conversation, bro. <laugh>. Yeah. My, my buddy AJ Hurley, uh, one of my best friends, uh, he, he’s a pro-life activist. Um, he sacrificed more to save the unborn than most people I know. And, uh, he was in DC with his wife when he got a call from some of the his friends who do sidewalk counseling. And just to define that term, these are pro-lifers who peacefully stand outside of abortion centers. Uh, and they, they peacefully try to, uh, get the mom to talk to them before she walks in and offer her help. Um, a free ultrasound, um, medical care, um, uh, financial assistance if she needs it, um, and get her to choose life. Um, at that last moment where she’s about to walk into the abortion center to kill her life.


So, so, Cesari Santangelo Cesari Santangelo is a late term abortionist in Washington dc Um, and we’ve suspected for some time that he was performing illegal partial birth abortions. I illegal partial birth abortions, which was banned by Bush. Uh, partial birth abortions is when you deliver a baby forcibly by their legs first, not head, first legs first, but you leave the head and the shoulder blades in the vaginal canal. And then when the, hence, hence the phrase brother partial birth, right? Partial, they’re partially born. And then you take, um, a pair of metsim bomb scissors. If, if you wanna show your audience what those look like, Metzenbaum, M e t z e n b a u m, Metzenbaum, b a u m, you take a pair of Metzenbaum scissors, um, and you insert them up the birth canal and, and you, you, you poke a hole into the back of the baby’s neck, like, like just below, like right the top of our spinal cord. Um, you, you open that hole that you’ve just created in the back of the baby’s heads, and, and then you stick a suction catheter, vacuum tube into the back of the baby’s neck and you suck the brains out. Um, so these were banned, this

Sevan Matossian (25:17):

Guy Cesari is, is doing does these

Seth Gruber (25:19):

Illegally. We, we have, we have suspected for some time pro-lifers have, cuz why, why, bro, here’s why the abortion industry is the least regulated, um, industry in the entire country. Um, that, you know, anytime Republicans try to, you know, draft legislation to go in and, and audit records and, you know, be able to do investigations, you know, planned Parenthood trots it off to a friendly judge and they get it blocked. So you’re talking about like almost no regulation whatsoever. We’ve suspected for some time that Cesari Santangelo in Washington DC who, who does late term abortions, has been probably doing some illegal forms of, which is always weird, right? Like, you can kill the baby this way, but not this way. <laugh>. It’s like, once again, if it’s not a person who cares how you kill them, um, I think, I think it’s because a lot of pro-choice Americans are not even uncomfortable with their, where the abortion industry is taking them anyways. So my friend AJ gets a call from some sidewalk counselors who are trying to save children and love on moms outside of Cesari Santangelo’s Abortion Center. Um, and

Sevan Matossian (26:15):

Here’s, oh, by the way, Satar, uh, Santangelo has a one star review.

Seth Gruber (26:20):

Yeah. Oh, dude, you really wanna throw up, go read some of the, the women who have left him reviews on, on their experiences as he killed their children. It’s really, it’s really heartbreaking stuff. So my buddy AJ and his wife go over to DC uh, with, when they were called by their friends, and here’s why they got that call. The, the medical waste management driver who, who was coming by to pick up the medical waste, which otherwise is known as dead children from, um, and I just forgot the name of his abortion center. But anyway, it’s, it’s Saari Santangelo and, um,

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

Washington, uh, surgery clinic called

Seth Gruber (26:54):

DC Surgery Clinic. Thank you. DC They

Sevan Matossian (26:55):

Called the abortion mill,

Seth Gruber (26:56):

The DC Surgery Clinic. Yeah. And so, um,

Sevan Matossian (26:59):

God, this guy, people don’t like him on the internet.

Seth Gruber (27:01):

Yep. The, the, the sidewalk counselors. Okay, you ready for this? Yeah. Had pleaded with the waste medical waste management company driver, um, to give them some of the boxes and buckets of children. He did not know what he was picking up. They asked him, do you know what’s in there? He just thought it was probably what, like gauze or like, you know, maybe like from, from, you know, elective surgeries on patients who needed like a nerve helped or something? No, no, no. He didn’t know that he had dead babies in there. They told him he was horrified. And so he gave them about 105 dead babies, um, so that the pro-lifers could give them a respectful burial. So they call my friend aj.

Sevan Matossian (27:42):

Did that dude get in trouble for that?

Seth Gruber (27:44):

Um, they, well they’ve been, they’ve been trying to go after some of the pro-lifers. Yeah. Um,

Sevan Matossian (27:48):

No, no. I mean, the guy, the, the garbage man, did he get in trouble for?

Seth Gruber (27:52):

I’m not sure. He, he, yeah, he probably probably got fired, but I don’t know that, that side of the story. So they go to some apartment or Airbnb or something, and my buddy AJ meets these wonderful pro-life heroes who had got these, these mutilated children. Um, and they opened them up. They opened them up and they photograph it. And this launched a movement, uh, last year called Justice for the Five. Um, because five of those, about a h out of about 115 babies, actually, I believe five of them were in the third trimester. Third trimester, and they had full, okay. And

Sevan Matossian (28:29):

How many months is that? How many months is that?

Seth Gruber (28:31):

Well, so three trimesters. So, uh, three months. Three months. Three months, right? So that would be 12 weeks and then 24 weeks. So the third trimester would begin at, uh, the end of 24 weeks. So between 23rd trimester would be between week 25 and week 40. Does that make sense? Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (28:50):


Seth Gruber (28:50):

Yeah. Um, so, uh, you, you can google this too, justice for the five. And so this is launches this movement to demand the DC Mayor, mur, Muriel, Bowser, Muriel Bowser, um, do autopsies, okay? Right. To confirm how these children were killed. Because listen, we know what we’re doing, man. We’ve been in this movement our entire lives. Like we, a baby’s skull should not be half collapsed in, unless it’s brains were sucked out through a partial birth abortion. That type of abortion is illegal. Um, but, and most pro-choice are very uncomfortable with that. You know what I mean? Most pro-choice

Sevan Matossian (29:29):

If the whole subject is crazy uncomfortable for so many people. Yeah.

Seth Gruber (29:32):

When you describe a partial birth abortion dude, like I’ve watched Pro-Choice go, uh, uh, uh, it’s like, well, if you don’t wanna hear it, then maybe you shouldn’t support the act that takes those children’s lives. So, um, DC uh, mayor Muriel Bowser has refused to get the Justice Department or the police involved to do autopsies to confirm if these, if, if Caesar Santangelo was breaking federal law. Um, so like, anyways, my point is this, like this stuff happens in America. Okay? Um, and, uh,

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