#949 – EMERGENCY PODCAST | Dave Castro is Back!

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

I’m in. You’re a good dude. You’re a good dude. Bam. We’re live.

Andrew Hiller (00:03):

If you’ll have me,

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

A letter has been sent to affiliates worldwide. Dang. Look at Tyler Watkins hair. We going to a funeral?

Mattew Souza (00:13):

I get married.

Sevan Matossian (00:14):

Oh, you getting, you’re getting married. Yeah. Oh, congratulations. Really? Is that your wedding haircut? Yeah. That’s as good as you can look. Dude, you fucking look good. <laugh>. You went from fucking, seriously, you went from, uh, like redneck to like a model. That’s crazy. <laugh>. Maybe it’s a blue shirt or something. That’s weird.

Andrew Hiller (00:32):

A redneck

Sevan Matossian (00:32):

Model. You went from like four wheel drive to Tesla <laugh>.

Andrew Hiller (00:36):

That’s good.

Sevan Matossian (00:38):

Um, uh, we got a, we got a, uh, email sent out to, uh, all the affiliates of which, um, uh, Mr. Susan down below is the owner of CrossFit Livermore and the executive producer of the Sevan podcast. And, uh, right as I was getting off the show a little, I don’t know, 30 minutes ago I started hearing rumblings of this thing. It sounds like Dave Castro. It sounds like Dave Castro is now head of the CrossFit Games. Can we pull that up or should I just read it?

Mattew Souza (01:04):

I was gonna, I was trying to pull it up. Oh, here it is. Yeah, pull it up. I’m gonna pull it up.

Sevan Matossian (01:09):

Okay. And, and I’m seeing some other links too. It looks like Clydesdale Media is also, uh, reporting on this. Okay, here we go. Uh, I’ll read this to you guys out loud. Um, uh, dear Affiliates, I’m writing to let you know, Justin Berg will be moving on from CrossFit. Uh, Dave Castro will step in to lead our sport team as we prepare to have an amazing 2023 CrossFit Games. We are fortunate to have a talented team, and they’re working hard to deliver a world class event. We are looking forward to seeing many of you in Madison soon. Best, Austin, I’m guessing that’s Austin Mallilo, uh, uh, kind. Uh, so

Andrew Hiller (01:47):

That’s Austin

Sevan Matossian (01:49):

Positive First. Uh, let’s, let’s start with, uh, let’s start with the question from Mr. Souza. Um, the most important people to notify would be

Mattew Souza (01:59):

The affiliates.

Sevan Matossian (02:00):

The affiliates. So, so we’re cool with that, right?

Mattew Souza (02:02):

Yeah. That’s actually awesome that they did that as quick as they did. And I do, this email came like moments before, simultaneously when Morning Chocolate did it too.

Sevan Matossian (02:11):

Okay. So, oh, are you suggesting that Morning Chalkup had inside Scoop on this?

Mattew Souza (02:15):

Yeah, for sure. I mean, it was like, email them and, or it might even have been blurry a little bit as to who got it first, but

Andrew Hiller (02:22):

God, I hate them.

Mattew Souza (02:23):

Yeah. But at least they did send it as an email to the affiliates at the same, how much

Andrew Hiller (02:26):

Did they pay for that exclusive?

Sevan Matossian (02:29):


Mattew Souza (02:30):

Just their souls <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (02:31):

No, exactly. Souls. Just

Mattew Souza (02:33):

Their integrity. Their

Andrew Hiller (02:34):

Souls. Their souls. Those are expensive.

Sevan Matossian (02:37):

Hey, so, so I’m gonna put that in the huge pro column, uh, fantastic. That they announced, um, uh, to the affiliates first, like, just fucking awesome. Like, that’s who needs to know as the great Eric Rosa said, our shareholders, like, those are the only fucking shareholders, right? Or, or is that what the word he used? What are they called?

Mattew Souza (02:56):

That was right. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (02:58):

And, and so the affiliates deserve to know first, uh, the, the letter is a little, um, I mean, we have questions, right? Yes. Is he now the Dave Castor that I know doesn’t do anything half-ass. So I’m guessing, does that put, is he now in the role that he was originally in, is that, and if he is who I know Justin Berg was critical to, to the success of the CrossFit Games when Dave was in that leadership position. And my first question is, well, who’s gonna be the new Justin Berg then? Right?

Andrew Hiller (03:29):

I heard it’s John Young.

Sevan Matossian (03:31):

True. John Young, welcome to the show.

John Young (03:34):

That is not true.

Sevan Matossian (03:35):

Um, from a, uh, from the, uh, bottom of your heart, what, what is your, uh, first thought John? Um, emotional, intellectual, uh, when you hear that Dave’s back in charge.

John Young (03:48):

Um, I’m happy for Dave. I’m, I’m more happy Justin’s out than Dave, than rather than Dave is in personally.

Andrew Hiller (03:54):

Why is that He happy about Justin being out for

Sevan Matossian (03:56):

Yeah. What,

Andrew Hiller (03:57):

What, what are you happy about Justin being out for?

John Young (04:01):

What has he done that’s been good?

Andrew Hiller (04:05):

I don’t know. What has he done that’s been bad?

Sevan Matossian (04:07):

<laugh>? Well, the weights were wrong in 23.1. Yeah.

John Young (04:11):

I just don’t like the way he answers questions. No, no, no, no. You’re cool. You’re cool. I, I I don’t like the way he, he doesn’t answer anything. First off. Thank you, Dave. Dave, you know whether Dave does bad or, or does good? Dave will answer you honestly with what he’s thinking, whether you agree with him or not. Yep. And like, this was the reason we did this. If you don’t like it, you can pack it up and leave it. Justin, we get no information from Justin no matter what question is asked in what format we get no information. I don’t even know like what

Sevan Matossian (04:42):

He does. That’s a great point. Justin is just a lot. There was a lot of spin. It was hard to be like, uh, so, so why did you pick, um, uh, Orlando? Isn’t it a beautiful day today? First, I wanna make sure I thank everyone for showing up. And you’re like, wow. Exactly. Wow. This community is beautiful. I just wanna say we have the best community.

John Young (05:00):

I am curious how this affects the games, though. Like, does he b partner up as far as making the games events go, or is it, um, you know what I mean? I I’m just curious how much of a hand Castro will have in in the programming.

Sevan Matossian (05:16):

Uh, I wanna give you guys, I wanna give you my, uh, go ahead. Go ahead. If someone wants to answer that, do you wanna take that Hiller?

Andrew Hiller (05:22):

I I with what you said, the first thing that came to mind is when they had those little press conferences where Justin Berg and Bos would be sitting there, everyone would go, thank you for allowing me to ask a question. It just means so much that you let me sit in on this thing, ask you. It just does never accomplishes anything. And it’s like, get to the fucking point and tell us what you’re here for, to ask a question to. And that’s how Justin would have, it’s so nice to be in Orlando. That’s the first thing that I thought of. And I’m hoping that that era of CrossFit is done. The pleasantries.

Sevan Matossian (05:53):

So be because good or bad, we respect Dave just for his honesty. That’s at the end of the day, we respected him.

Tyler Watkins (05:59):


Sevan Matossian (05:59):

Like him or hate him. Everyone respected him. Okay. And, and I, and I agree with that. And I, and I, and we know why, because he was forth forthright, forthright and and honest. Um,

Tyler Watkins (06:10):

He’s also a man of responsibility. Like the thing he would live and die on his own sword. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And we didn’t see that same thing from you or, uh, from Bird.

Sevan Matossian (06:19):


Andrew Hiller (06:19):

A minute. You need an example of that. That’s by the way,

Sevan Matossian (06:22):

What Sailor

Andrew Hiller (06:23):

<laugh>, what Tyler was alluding to. He just, or not alluding to, but mistakenly saying Eubank.

Tyler Watkins (06:30):

So Freudian slip.

Sevan Matossian (06:31):

Um, what, what do you, what do you, do you have any examples of that off the top of your head, Tyler? That he’s a man of responsibility.

Tyler Watkins (06:38):

It’s just like, I, I mean, I keep my brain, we already talked about this, the Lane eight situation. Why, why was Justin Burke talking about that? Why, why was it handled the way it was handled? It should have just been squelched from the top and done and it wasn’t handled well. Or the fact that, um, the lake situation, right? Justin Berg kind of muddled that whole situation. Oh, there might have been something in there. There might, he never just came out and said, no, there was no poison or whatever in the lake. It’s just like, he just lets things muddle too much. Like come out, talk and go back to work.

Sevan Matossian (07:14):

Yeah. They sw sw in the lake. It was full of shit. End of story or Yeah. Yeah. There is a discrepancy with the runners. That’s what happens. Make sure you show up as the best guy. Like that’s what Dave would said, right?

Tyler Watkins (07:22):

Or th

Sevan Matossian (07:23):

This entire season. And then we could have, and then we could have judged him based on that. Judged it based on that, Hey, it’s unfair. Then we could have cried or not cried.

Tyler Watkins (07:28):

There’s this whole season have been debas and they have not owned it. And he never came out and said, we messed up on this. It was just like, oh, let’s kind of sweep it under the rug. It was always rug sweeping. It was never like, yeah, we screwed up. Sorry, my bad. We’re gonna handle this.

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

Oh, oh, oh. This is what I see from the, the little perch that I sit on, the CrossFit games operations, the CrossFit games programming and the CrossFit media have not had an alpha in, in many a year. And regardless whether you, you like the commander-in-chief, you like the alpha. If you don’t have an alpha, all the other dogs will fight and they’ll spend their times fighting. And the, for anyone who’s had 3, 4, 5, 6 dogs, that’s exactly what it’s like. One of them has to be the king shit. One of them does eat first every time they figure that shit out. And I think what someone had realized is that, oh shit, instead of people, everyone doing their job, there’s people there competing who have no business being in charge, have no business being Alpha, don’t have what some people call leadership. But I actually do just think it’s just straight up Dave’s a fucking alpha. And when he was there, there’s a, there was always a little bit of, uh, I don’t know how you wanna word it fear or you want to please daddy, or like, for me it was, it was, it was more on the side of I wanted to please daddy. Like you wanted to, you knew he was in charge and you wanted to please him like that. Hell please, daddy, I do

Andrew Hiller (08:44):


Sevan Matossian (08:45):

Uh, and so and so, if you don’t have someone in charge who’s like that, who that you’re willing to work for, that you, that you’re excited to, to, to work for, then it’s just gonna become a competition of, of, um, who’s the biggest asshole becomes just the whole job becomes political and drama. And that’s what they had fallen into, just a complete fucking disarray. And, um, I I Are we, can we assume that Don made this decision? This is a Don Fall decision. Can

Andrew Hiller (09:11):

We send him a link? We’ll ask <laugh>

Tyler Watkins (09:13):

Why fire

John Young (09:14):

Justin? Don’t, I don’t think you could be CEO and this not be your decision.

Sevan Matossian (09:19):

Yeah. Okay. And, and why fire Justin? Why fire Justin? Wait

Andrew Hiller (09:23):

A minute. Hey, hey, hey. You said fire, the, the thing says he’s leaving. Yeah, he moved on and we don’t, new

John Young (09:30):

Chapter and it says from CrossFit. So he’s not even doing any,

Tyler Watkins (09:33):

He’s leaving CrossFit via someone else’s choice. Okay. What you,

Sevan Matossian (09:37):

What you’re suggesting also is they said to him, Hey Justin, we’re gonna give you a demotion. And he said, eat a dick. And they said, okay, here’s your severance buy I that he, he didn’t want to take a lesser role. Yeah. Okay.

Mattew Souza (09:48):

Also think you had to get rid of him, because if you were gonna ladder Dave back into his position at the top, there’s no way. I mean, you just said it, they’re gonna be jockeying for position. It’s gonna become extremely political. Alliances will be taken and they won’t accomplish anything. So I think the only path to really do that is rip the bandaid off and have it be done. And now just put Dave in place.

Sevan Matossian (10:07):

Uh, Justin v um, does this make Castro Adrian’s boss? I, I, I would say I, I assume, yes. I think

Andrew Hiller (10:13):

Savon said it’s like

John Young (10:14):

Good old days.

Andrew Hiller (10:15):

It’s his daddy,

Sevan Matossian (10:17):

It’s his dad. Uh, um, Ryan Tate, uh, Andrew Tate’s, um, uh, stepbrother, uh, a Fiverr to help fund Sev On’s campaign trail, a make media savon again. Well, thank you. That’s, that’s very, that’s very interesting. Mm. Um, what, what is this? Uh, coffee pods and wads Pedro? Uh, the biggest thing, uh, in Europe that CrossFit has, uh, holding down media on, on all other continents besides the important one. North America. Uh, Pedro says he’s right. I’m tired of debacle. I want

Tyler Watkins (10:49):

Debacle season

Sevan Matossian (10:51):

<laugh>. That must be a European word.

John Young (10:54):

That’s, that’s

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

Fantastic. Uh, Joel, Kelly, uh, Dave is fucking alpha. Yeah. There’s no, um, there’s no doubt. And he does it without talking. So, um, Seon, would you go back to CrossFit a fast? Absolutely. Ab so fucking, I

Andrew Hiller (11:06):

Was waiting for a not to follow that <laugh>. Absolutely. Uh, and then it never came.

Sevan Matossian (11:12):

Savon. Are you going back as media director down? No, not even when, um, no, I don’t think he has that. Um, yeah. Uh, I don’t think he has that authority. Uh, SSON are you excited for the games now? I am. I, what I really wanna do is I want to talk to Dave. Um, I’ve been bugging him and I can’t get ahold of him this morning for obviously

Tyler Watkins (11:30):


Sevan Matossian (11:32):

I know we got a

Mattew Souza (11:32):

Couple ideas, a couple ideas.

Sevan Matossian (11:33):

Uh, yeah. Uh, I do have a few ideas. Um, and sev are you excited for the games now? Yeah, I’m crazy excited. I’m, I’m, uh, crazy excited. Oh, what do you do? Does anyone think this is gonna affect the programming? Um, or, or we’re gonna keep going down the, uh, Adrian Bosman, uh, pathway.

Tyler Watkins (11:50):

I would like to think that, that Dave lets Adrian go and make his mistakes on his own and learn from it. But we’ll see.

Mattew Souza (11:59):

Uh, I’d be curious to find out how much they were talking ahead of time before this, Dave and Boz, and if there was any continuity between like, logistics that need to be handled, some, maybe some holes that Dave might have seen that wasn’t originally, uh, brought up in the programming. So that way there’s just more, more like cohesion as far as like logistically how it rolls out, how they’re gonna handle scoring issues and inevitable problems that are gonna happen across each event. Because if you look at it, I didn’t necessarily didn’t see, like, there was obviously a change in the programming, but it seemed like their biggest struggle was like logistics, getting their shit together, making the rules, holding a standard. And so I think that BS will actually excel in that environment. When you have somebody like Dave who’s like, here’s what we’re doing. This is the course we’re taking, and we’re not gonna budge from this.

Sevan Matossian (12:39):

Andrew Hiller plugging the Dave Castro extra virgin olive oil, which will be available online. This is first

Andrew Hiller (12:45):

Model. It’s a limited edition

Mattew Souza (12:47):

Question of the Shell official.

Sevan Matossian (12:49):

That is the first sold bottle, by the way. That is true. That is the very first Andrew Hiller did buy the very first bottle of Dave’s, uh, new olive oil brand.

Andrew Hiller (12:56):

Can’t have it. It’s not for sale. Gonna sit right there. Like, like your, like your Ariel Lowen card.

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

EBay. eBay. Go ahead. Tyler.

Tyler Watkins (13:03):

What do we think Justin is responsible for? We, cuz we can pontificate all day on what Dave is going to do, but if he’s replacing Justin, what, what were Justin’s responsibilities and then what did he end up doing that we didn’t like?

Sevan Matossian (13:19):

His, I think his overall response, I think that was the problem. I think we didn’t know whether Adrian or Justin was responsible, but in an ideal world, Justin would’ve been the new Dave and completely in charge of the operation. And the people who would’ve reported to him for the operation would’ve been media and programming. And, and they weren’t. And they weren’t reporting to him. And so I think his job, I think his job had fallen more into the fact of, uh, sponsorship. Right?

John Young (13:44):

The fact that the fact that we don’t know exactly what he was doing proves that he’s not, he was not a good in charge of the sport director of sport.

Sevan Matossian (13:54):

I I, and, and in his defense, uh, he was set up to fail. I don’t think that those people were put into a, I don’t think Adrian was said, Hey, you report to fucking, um, Justin. I think it’s like, Hey, this is gonna be a collaboration. I I have to, I can’t wait to, Dave is not like that type of guy. He’s not the, Hey, I’m the collaboration guy. He takes a shitload of advice. He has lots of meetings where you sit down and anyone can express their opinion. But at the end of the day, uh, it’s the buck’s gonna stop with Dave and, and the decisions are gonna be made by Dave

John Young (14:28):

Rich. You think Rich gets kicked out of the semifinals? If Dave is the no director, <laugh> no. Like it’s stuff like that.

Sevan Matossian (14:35):

Hey. Or, or if he does, Dave gets on and he’s like, yeah, I kicked that bit. That pretentious bitch out. Oh, he says one or the other. I don’t think he gets kicked out, but if he does, Dave speaks to it. Yeah. Kicked him out. What the fuck? Who the fuck does he think he is? He’s last week’s news. And we all go, oh, you know, like,

Mattew Souza (14:49):

Yeah. Well, at least that’s what that the best part about David. It’s like, whether you liked it or not, he was gonna stand in front of the firing squad and give his answer and then he was gonna hold to it and move on. You know, it wasn’t so ambiguous. Like his answers weren’t ambiguous and stuff. You were like, he made the decision and he’s sticking by the consequence. Good or bad,

Sevan Matossian (15:04):

As painful. It is for me to say the best interview ever done with Don Fault was with Pedro Coffee pods and Wads. I can’t stand how he lets people talk so much, but he does. And he got a great interview by letting Don talk. And he says, listen to this. This is from Pedro in the chat, um, he says, when Don was on Coffee Pods and Wads podcast, it was clear he felt people were hiding things from him. This is the result of that. Surely. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. They, like I said, well, that’s good to hear that, um, is in line with, they have a massive communication breakdown there. Massive. They have crazy in inside fighting there. Crazy. And that won’t happen with Dave there. Everyone the most Don the masses will huddle and be like, it’s us against Dave in a good way.

Mattew Souza (15:46):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, <laugh>

John Young (15:48):

Has Don made a statement about it yet?

Andrew Hiller (15:51):


Sevan Matossian (15:53):

Uh, if he ha if he has, it’s on that shit rag morning, chalk up or, uh, or maybe Clydesdale. Um, I see Clydesdale posted something that says, uh, morning chalk up reports. Oh, and they’re, they’re reporting off of Morning Chalk up

Andrew Hiller (16:04):

<laugh>. Yuck.

Sevan Matossian (16:06):


Andrew Hiller (16:09):

Hammer. Yeah, they went downhill really hard. Like really quick. Like they were, they were kinda treading water and then they drowned.

Sevan Matossian (16:16):

<laugh> who? Morning Chocolate.

Andrew Hiller (16:18):

Yeah. Like last week they just completely murdered themselves.

Mattew Souza (16:21):

Yeah. It seemed like a good idea until you go missing underwater next to the Titanic,

Sevan Matossian (16:25):

They felt, they felt safe expressing their wokeness again. That’s the problem.

Andrew Hiller (16:29):


Sevan Matossian (16:30):

Uh, wad. Zombie. Uh, who makes the, um, best cards in the business? My aunt. The only cards. Um, uh, after Pedro’s interview with Don, I think it was clear that there were a lot of issues Don wasn’t aware of. Pedro may have gotten Justin fired. No shit. You think it’s like that? You think that Pedro asked him some questions that possibly caught Don fall off. What questions are those?

Mattew Souza (16:53):


Andrew Hiller (16:55):

Feed us wide. Zombie. Wow. Yeah. What do you mean? Wow.

Sevan Matossian (17:00):

So, so you think that Pedro asked him a question in that podcast and then Don kind of flinched and was like, floundering, thus exposing. He didn’t know that something was going on. It’s interesting. I mean, how much should the CEO know about the games? Like, should he have known that events one and three weren’t being televised?

Mattew Souza (17:16):

I think he, I think he should be putting the correct leader in place and he should forget about it. Like, put somebody like Dave in charge and say, here’s your baby. Do what you need to do. We’ll meet about it, you know, whatever in a quarterly or something like that, just to keep my thumb to the pulse. But other than that, he needs to put a strong leader and, and then forget about it. Needs to move on and focus on training and the affiliates,

Andrew Hiller (17:35):

He shouldn’t have to know, that’s for sure.

John Young (17:37):

Yeah. And, and games. Games stuff should not problems should not come to his attention and should just be sorted out by Dave and then find out later about it. I mean, you shouldn’t find out about it should be fixed.

Mattew Souza (17:51):


Sevan Matossian (17:51):

Exactly. Uh, coffee pods and wads. Pedro chiming in again carrying the show. Pedro should have just come on. <laugh> a after the recording, Don hinted that he had no clue about Eubanks on the, uh, talking to Elite Fitness podcast and how bad he came across, or how pissed people were about this, that side of things. Yeah. How can he know that I, one time, uh, uh, text Don and apologized for something I said on my podcast, and he said, I’ve in a very gentle way, he said, I have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. So, I mean, he doesn’t have time for us. Uh, he’s not dirt with Usdi. Say that again. Heller.

Andrew Hiller (18:24):

He watches all my videos, so he must have missed the one where I just chewed out. Ubanks

Sevan Matossian (18:29):

<laugh>. He does watch all your stuff.

Andrew Hiller (18:32):

Yeah. Don.

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

Yeah. Yeah. Let me see that in writing. <laugh>,

Andrew Hiller (18:37):

I’ll send you a screen.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

He asked me about Ubanks interview on Talking Late Fitness, where UBank sounded like a clown. Don said he wasn’t aware of it. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (18:47):

Frankly, is the word that you make

Tyler Watkins (18:49):

Seems, frankly, frankly, and

Mattew Souza (18:50):

By and by the way, even if Don was aware of it or wasn’t aware of it, that’s gonna be the statement he makes because he’s not gonna try to back himself into a corner. Don’s really good like media trained. So if you ask him something, whether he has an opinion on it, whether he doesn’t, if he feels like it’s a setup or it’s gonna pigeonhole him into some sort of opinion about something, he’ll just stay clear of it.

Sevan Matossian (19:10):

Now guys want you to listen to this very clearly. What you’re, what I’m about to read

Andrew Hiller (19:15):


Sevan Matossian (19:15):

Listen very clearly. This is not a, um, a, a, a statement that this person wrote lightly. This is 100% Berkshire decision. You have to know this though. Tyler. The board knows Dave.

Tyler Watkins (19:29):

They might,

Sevan Matossian (19:30):

The board knows Dave. This is 100% Berkshire decision. If the games don’t work, they don’t get their money back. Dave seems like the only one who can fix the games. Uh, they’re, there are two people. I, there’s at least two people on the board who are, who are intimate with Dave, I think. And, um, there, there may be some real truth to that. You, why are you shaking your head, Tyler? You think at the end of the They wouldn’t do that. The board wouldn’t, uh, circum, circum, uh, circumcised Don fall? I don’t think that’s right. I hope not. I don’t think that’s the right word. <laugh>.

Tyler Watkins (20:01):

Yeah, that’s the right word. That was it. I would say, I would say I would hope not. And if the board is that involved, that’s worrisome as well.

Sevan Matossian (20:11):

Oh, well don’t you think that they’re in that situation? That they they’re they’re in a, why would they

John Young (20:16):

Not be involved?

Tyler Watkins (20:18):

I mean, they, they’re always gonna keep tabs, but I’m gonna let the CEO do his job. Mm. You know, and if, if the board is reaching that far down into the system, that’s a problem. That means we’re in a lot hotter water than we thought we were.

Sevan Matossian (20:34):

Right? Me meaning that they’re Yeah. Right,

Mattew Souza (20:36):

Right. Okay. Like, they’re running outta money and they’re like, fuck, we have to have, like, we need to come in almost on like day-to-day operations status. Just make sure that this thing doesn’t sink completely.

Tyler Watkins (20:44):

I don’t think we’re that far. I don’t think we’re that far down. I So you think it’s outta desperation? No, I think, I think that Don’s pulling the trigger and he’s like, no, you’re out. You’re done. I don’t think this is the board’s decision. I think this is Don,

Sevan Matossian (20:57):

I I wanna say one more thing too, cuz some people are gonna be like, this is moving backward. This is not moving backward by the way. This is moving backward. Like you were, um, uhn you had a cocaine habit and then you quit and you move back to like not doing cocaine. If you think that’s moving backwards, then yeah. Then this is moving backwards. Having a guy who fucking started the games ran it to a fucking incredible success from a fucking Podunk sport in the backyard to a fucking international event. Uh, former, uh, seal team six operative, uh, crazy, passionate, crazy alpha, extremely articulate, and also very able to be very quiet. Um, who, who, who also ran the training team, who does run the training team. I guess that’s a whole subject we should talk about. How the fuck is that gonna work? How’s he gonna run? Both. I mean, he used to, but he had Nicole assistant, uh, Nicole Carroll as a, uh, co runner. Co-lead. Um, this is not, this is not, in my opinion, there’s no step backwards here. This is like, this

Tyler Watkins (21:56):

Is like, this is the first

Sevan Matossian (21:57):

We put diesel in the, we put gas in the diesel tank and this is now putting diesel back in it. That’s my opinion. Yeah. Yeah.

Tyler Watkins (22:03):

I felt like we were on this.

Andrew Hiller (22:05):

It’s a bad analogy. You can’t use that engine anymore.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

Oh, sorry. Oh, fuck

Tyler Watkins (22:09):

No. I, the, the thing that I was thinking was that we had been at sea with no wind for a year, and then all of a sudden like hurricane winds are blowing. Like that’s what it felt like to me,

Andrew Hiller (22:21):

You guys in your analogies. I get it. But <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

Um, here, here, you think it’s a step backwards to put Dave back in Mr. Hiller?

Andrew Hiller (22:30):

No, no, no. I’m just, I’m just hating on the analogies.

Sevan Matossian (22:33):

Okay, fine. Uh uh, they’re

Andrew Hiller (22:34):

Good. They’re

Sevan Matossian (22:35):

Good. I like what Tammy, this is interesting here. Um, I think we’re cutting Adrian too much Slack decisions like the sled and semi-finals had to be his, that may be true, but those are also the things that Dave would’ve been like, okay, let’s test this 50 times. And then Dave would’ve come on afterwards and been like, Hey, that’s the, those were a complete fuck up. Or Hey, um, uh, suck it up. Um, and see

Tyler Watkins (22:57):

That was my point with the Lane eight situation, is that I think what’s going on is that, that, uh, Berg and Bosman had, their lines had been crossed. It wasn’t clearly Bosman. This is my, this is my play pin and that’s your play pin. It was, it was crossing over and then no one, it was no one’s responsibility. And then things got outta control. And I think we’re having clear, clearly defined lines, what you were saying before, Stavan well-defined roles. And I don’t think that the, they were well defined before. Mm-hmm.

Sevan Matossian (23:28):

<affirmative>, uh, Joseph Pia follow the money. Uh, I I think that’s what, um, the previous, uh, comment, uh, was saying, uh, Greg c uh, just getting started. Savon, you’ve got to be in Madison now. I can’t wait till you’re contracted. Oh. Uh, which makes me, uh, remember, uh, if Jake Gza is listening, I got your text and I’m excited to work with you at the games. Especially if I’m gonna go to the games. Oh, circumvent.

Tyler Watkins (23:51):

No, you’re gonna the

Mattew Souza (23:52):

Game step by,

Sevan Matossian (23:54):

Uh, boy, I, I would, I I will to, to be. I will ask. He

Mattew Souza (23:59):

Strokes out.

Sevan Matossian (24:01):

Dude. I would, I for just the sake of kind of like the double middle finger in the air, I would love to do the behind the scenes again. I would love the opportunity to go back there and do the behind the scenes. I mean, I would love the opportunity to love on the athletes with all my fucking heart. I would love to take, uh, um, go do their with all you guys. Take the fucking whole team there and fucking Yeah. Hillary, me, soa, whoever wants to go and, and just, and just cover the shit out of it and love on the athletes. Just do a crazy behind the scenes and, and some bunch of real time live shit too. It would be great.

Mattew Souza (24:32):

Yeah. And it’s not like we’re asking the chat to over flood them with, uh, dms or tagging us or anything like that, cuz that like crazy <laugh>. But if you’re a little vocal about stuff, maybe it might help a little bit. But seven be very nice. I would never deploy them like that though. But

Andrew Hiller (24:49):

I would

Mattew Souza (24:50):


Sevan Matossian (24:51):

Um, whatever

Andrew Hiller (24:52):

It takes.

Sevan Matossian (24:53):

Kevin m uh, it’s a good one. I like it. The playbook to fix the games and create a massive spectacle there. See, uh, hard knocks. F1, drive to survivor pga uh, full swing. Yeah. The most viewed, uh, minutes wise was the behind the scenes. I mean the, the, the eyeballs on that and the, it was great. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, uh, Cornholio, let’s clean House with this Momentum bought has crap, the bed and needs to go along with UBank. There’s new sheriff. I don’t, I don’t think so.

Mattew Souza (25:19):


Sevan Matossian (25:20):

<affirmative>, I don’t know. I honestly, I bet you Adrian’s relieved. Yeah. Uh, that Dave is back. He, he, he might not like it at first, but I bet you there’s a sense of relief from everyone except for people who, who I

Tyler Watkins (25:33):

Love it for. I love

Sevan Matossian (25:34):

It. For us boss. Some people who aren’t relieved, Dave will

Tyler Watkins (25:37):

Force him to be better.

Sevan Matossian (25:40):

Yeah. Bo and Bo’s probably, Bo’s got a lot of support from Dave in the past. I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know where Boz was getting that support anymore.

Mattew Souza (25:47):

Well, going back to what we were talking about earlier, if there’s no defined roles in leadership as a person like Boz, that’s probably very frustrating to work inside that environment. Cuz even if you have a boss that you like, maybe they’re not gonna agree on everything and you kind of have to like, walk them through different stuff. At least you know where they stand. And then you also know how to, how to deploy your message and where you stand with them.

Andrew Hiller (26:06):

That was an intense comment. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (26:08):

With this one?

Andrew Hiller (26:09):

No, Bernie Gannon.

Sevan Matossian (26:12):

Oh, I was it up? Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (26:15):

It was, it was, yeah. Biblical statement.

Sevan Matossian (26:18):

<laugh>. I missed it. Hold on. Let’s go back. Let me read this and then we’ll go back to it. Uh, gunner Wolf. Great name. Uh, what are Don’s current priorities for growing CrossFit? When will Don fix the media team? It seems like marketing community and games should be priorities for CrossFit.

Mattew Souza (26:33):

I don’t disagree. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (26:35):

Hey, one step at a time. All right. It’s coming. It’s coming.

Mattew Souza (26:39):


Sevan Matossian (26:40):

Uh, Jessica Valenzuela, uh, please do. Would love to meet you and can stand next to a six foot woman

John Young (26:44):

Whenever they, uh, sign Savon as the head of the media team. I can’t wait for that exclusive podcast. <laugh>

Andrew Hiller (26:51):

<laugh>. This is it

John Young (26:53):

Guys. Three minutes. I’m about to have a new job. It’s, it’s over

Sevan Matossian (26:59):

With Dave’s second coming. He will reset his kingdom, judge his enemies and reward the faithful living and dead. Yeah. I, I, I think, um, he’s, he’s, he, it’s gonna be interesting. I, I’m, I’m really excited. I kind of can’t believe this is true. Are some of you guys having trouble believing this a little

Andrew Hiller (27:16):

Bit? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (27:17):

It’s like Christmas came early. Do you think that there’s anything we’re misunderstanding? Maybe. Do you I mean, he, let me, let me read this again. Let me read it one more time. What can, can we pull it up any time

Andrew Hiller (27:28):


John Young (27:30):

What’d you say, Hillary?

Andrew Hiller (27:31):

What if Berg comes back? <laugh>, you know, I said he leaving, but maybe, what if it’s like a little break?

John Young (27:36):

What if, uh, Bo gets fired and now Justin’s in charge of programming for the games?

Andrew Hiller (27:40):

What the hell would be all

John Young (27:42):

Loud <laugh>? It’s just, you would talk about anarchy, <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (27:47):

Um, Kenneth Delason would totally abandon us to work for h Again, I will never give up this podcast. Never. Unless, unless like, unless like one of my kids got rich and took care of me. There’s no fucking way I’m giving up this podcast.

Andrew Hiller (28:01):

Appreciate I I have too much

Sevan Matossian (28:01):

Fun. Appreciate I wake up every morning to just hang with you guys. Uh, dear affiliates, I’m writing to let you know Justin Berg will be moving on from CrossFit. Uh, what does that mean? Um, John Young, uh,

John Young (28:13):

He’s gonna take up, uh, skiing <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (28:16):

I dunno. Ok. So that means he’s not paycheck for CrossFit HQ anymore, right? Is that

John Young (28:21):

Yeah, he’s he’s done with CrossFit. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

Can he go to the affiliate department? Is he gonna the affiliate department? Susa? No, he’s

Andrew Hiller (28:27):

Definitely not gonna the

John Young (28:27):

Affiliate department the way that’s worded. Does it not sound like you’re not allowed to do CrossFit anymore? Yeah. Like

Andrew Hiller (28:34):

He’s a bodybuilder. He’s a

John Young (28:35):

CrossFitter. Yeah. He’s gotta change sports.

Andrew Hiller (28:38):

Yes, sir. He is a bodybuilder.

Sevan Matossian (28:41):

Uh, 250 K a year and a job with HQ and Stevon is done here. Not true. That is not true. 500 And now, now, uh, we’re in the ballpark. Uh, Dave Castro will step to lead our sport sport team. Is that what I used to call the CrossFit games? What is that sport team? What is that? Games

Andrew Hiller (28:59):


John Young (29:01):

Games team,

Sevan Matossian (29:02):

Yeah. Hey, catch. We’ll step in to lead our CrossFit games team. Are you guys okay with me doing that? Making that edit. Hey, goodness. Makes me feel better as we prepare to have an amazing 2023. Are we prepared? I’m not, we’re not preparing to have an amazing, are we preparing?

Andrew Hiller (29:18):

Why is the essence we’re just

Sevan Matossian (29:19):

Preparing? Uh, say it again.

Andrew Hiller (29:22):

Why is the essence sport capitalized? It’s like with God, you capitalize God. Okay. All

Sevan Matossian (29:31):

Right. Oh shit. Well, here we go. Uh, Zach, weirder not nice. Uh, Justin got fired for using weird upward inflection on words in the middle of senses. Um, so maybe that’s what that is. Sports. Maybe that’s the way Justin said it. <laugh> game Castro will step into leader sports. Sure. Oh Lord. Be nice. Se as we prepared to have an amazing 2023 games. Hey, what do you think about? Okay, let, okay, let’s talk about this. Why now? Why not just let Justin get the ball? Why not? Um, uh, September one. Oh, no, this is the perfect.

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