#948 – Tommy G, Mr. Relevant | YouTube’s Best Documentaries

Sevan Matossian (00:04):

Bam. We’re live. Good morning, guys. Bailey. Good morning, Steven. Good morning, Logan. There you are. Holy shit. Hello from the Rich Froning podcast. How about you eat a big fat dick? Uh, Eric Weiss. Omar Canne eating. Beaver speaking about eating dick. Oh, I bet you that already got me a ding for saying that too. Eating dick crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.

Tommy G (00:28):

How you doing?

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

I’m g I’m having internet problems this morning, but I’m still, uh, doing my best to be here with you.

Tommy G (00:34):

Likewise. How do I look? Is this good or do I need to turn my off?

Sevan Matossian (00:37):

Yeah, you look like the rockstar you’ve turned yourself into. Woo. Hey, could you turn your phone the other way? Let’s

Tommy G (00:44):


Sevan Matossian (00:47):

Jason Hupa. Good

Tommy G (00:52):

Morning. I don’t know, dude. I’m like a grandpa with technology.

Sevan Matossian (00:55):

Let me, what if you, if you turn it sideways, does it just give you, um, um, landscape mode? <laugh>?

Tommy G (01:03):

Let’s see. Did that do anything though?

Sevan Matossian (01:04):

Fuck your phone.

Tommy G (01:06):

My phone is not good.

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

Uh, chase, Brian, Tommy G is such a badass.

Tommy G (01:11):

Thank you. Chase. That’s kind words from you.

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

Let’s start with, uh, uh, uh, big picture review. If you guys don’t know who, uh, Tommy G is, he is a, he’s, he’s transcended being a YouTuber. He is a full-blown fucking journalist. He, uh, I don’t know what you’re doing, but I want to tell you, I got a tinge of jealousy. I’m, I’m not even a jealous man, but I felt a little jealousy. Uh, Tommy’s everywhere. His YouTube channel is exploding, but he, uh, I dunno how to explain it. You’re, you’re a humanitarian too. You’re a good dude. Like kids at the school jumping over the fence to come get your autograph and take pictures with you, and you’re like, Hey, you wanna do pushups? And you’re hanging with the bros and the hose, but you’re bringing, uh, you’re not glamorizing it, you’re not feeling sorry for them. But, but there is a, uh, I, I did feel, I do feel my tear ducts turn on once in a while watching your stuff, you

Tommy G (02:09):

Know? Well, that’s good. I think, uh, if I can make stuff that impacts people and shares stories and also allows me to explore and travel the world, it’s like, I can’t think of anything else I’d rather be doing.

Sevan Matossian (02:24):

I, I can’t remember. Are you Christian?

Tommy G (02:26):

I grew up Christian. I know the Bible pretty well, but the more I read it, especially the Old Testament dude, the less I feel any connection to that stuff.

Sevan Matossian (02:34):

Really? Cuz you act like a Christian do-gooder. You’re, you’re like such a, you’re like a, uh, you’re such a good dude.

Tommy G (02:43):

Well, I appreciate that. And I don’t know. Yeah, the, when I read the Old Testament dude, I’m like, God wrote this, like, God divinely fired this. Like, I’ve read hundreds of books and I love reading. If you would just put me on an island with just the Old Testament, it’d be like, come on. Like, this book kind of sucks.

Sevan Matossian (03:01):

No. What? Tell me, tell me, uh, tell, tell me. Oh, look at someone. Uh, the old, the clock, the Old Testament is, uh, bizarre.

Tommy G (03:08):

It is. This is the, this is my problem with the Bible in the Old Testament is when we go to church, we hear the same 15 stories or so that like Joseph getting, you know, becoming the leader of Egypt with the food and managing it and forgiving his brothers, we’re selling him into slavery. Like, there are some beautiful, wonderful stories in the Bible, but there’s a lot of stories that are like, what the hell was that? And that they don’t read aloud in church. And that are kind of like, probably I would say X-rated stories. And I just feel like,

Sevan Matossian (03:37):

Can you gimme just a hint of one, a slight example? I

Tommy G (03:40):

Think there’s one about a father that realized he got a prostitute and realized it was his daughter. So he spilled his seed on the ground so he wouldn’t get her pregnant. Like, that’s a story of the Bible, or, uh, let me think of another

Sevan Matossian (03:52):

Good. Wow. Wow. That’s like some PornHub shit.

Tommy G (03:55):

Yeah. It’s, that would be trending number one on PornHub right now.

Sevan Matossian (03:58):

<laugh>. Uh,

Tommy G (04:01):

I think

Sevan Matossian (04:02):

Even, I’m, I’m going, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m going to help.

Tommy G (04:04):

I mean, even just seeing the Old Testament, God, like he wiped out whole towns or the whole world, even with the flood, and we’re just like, oh yeah, he loves you. And it’s like, really? Like if God, if the old te testament God was your next door neighbor, I feel like you’d be a little concerned.

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Yeah. Okay. Okay. I’m gonna have to give it a, uh, a spin. I can’t, I can’t, I can’t even, I wanna say I listened to it on audio, but that if I did it was like 30 years ago.

Tommy G (04:29):

I will say just for the Christians out there, that the redeeming part of the Bible is of course, Jesus Christ and his story, which another thing I have issue with that is like, this is the most important guy who’s ever lived, yet we have four tiny books about him that are relatively repetitive and only cover a small segment of his life. Like, we have no idea what Jesus going through puberty was like, we have no idea. Jesus. Like, did he, was he interested in females, males? Like, what did he think? Like he never encountered sexuality. There’s just a lot of stuff that I’d be curious to know more about. Jesus.

Sevan Matossian (04:59):

I had this dude on, um, uh, oh shit, Tommy. Hmm. Oh my God. You, I know you get a million. I feel like I’m having a dejavu. Cause I did this to you last time. You’re on the show. I know you have a million fucking requests for shows and people making suggestions. I just thought of one. Hmm. There’s this show I did with a guy named Chris Bledso Bledsoe. He wrote a book called u f of God.

Tommy G (05:28):

Whoa. That’s interesting. Combo.

Sevan Matossian (05:30):

He can, he can summon UFOs at any time

Tommy G (05:34):

This guy can.

Sevan Matossian (05:35):

He’s the most contacted U f O expert by the US fucking government.

Tommy G (05:41):

I would, he sounds nuts to be honest with you, just hearing about it. But I would be open to talking to him, that’s for sure.

Sevan Matossian (05:46):

And, and bro, that’s what’s crazy. Like the, the CIA and NASA and all those people are all over this fucking guy. And, but here’s, and he thinks that his thing is that it’s God. He, he he’s, he’s managed to weave the U f O and the God story into one. Like these are basically, these UFOs are angels and shit.

Tommy G (06:05):

I mean, who knows what’s going on. Where does this guy live? Do you know,

Sevan Matossian (06:09):

In the Carolinas somewhere?

Tommy G (06:11):

Well, if he would like to speak with me, I would be happy to make a road trip and see some UFOs. That would actually be probably very frightening now that I’m thinking about it.

Sevan Matossian (06:21):

Yeah. Dude, I’m so excited. I’m so excited that I, I thought of this and I’m, I’m kind of getting ching up a little bit knowing that you actually like it. Hey, hey, hey David. Jesus is not fake as fuck. <laugh> the tooth fairy’s fake as fuck. Easy buddy. Um, and, uh, so the book is called the u f o of God. I had him on, and there’s something really weird about the podcast I did with him, dude, because, um, Tommy, he, it keeps growing. It’s one of those obscure podcasts that I should have only gotten like 2000 views on, and then maybe like another 10,000 on Spotify. But it’s e every day that there’s comments. And when he was on here and he talked about the UFOs and shit coming into his house and the aliens coming into his house, I asked him questions like, Hey, what if you’re, now that you know that they’re everywhere, what about like, if you’re having sex with your life or your life, you’re having sex with your wife.


Um, and people in the comments got upset or I’m like, Hey, like when you masturbate, like if you’re watching some porn hub and you’re masturbating or you’re tripping that they’re, that they’re watching, he’s like, I’ve never watched porn. And people in the comments are like, pissed. Which brings me to what you said about Jesus. Are you telling me Jesus didn’t do funny shit? Like, do you ever climb up to like the top of a 20 story building with your friends, like to the roof and then you, you bo you pee off and see whose pee hits the bottom first? Or just fun shit like that. It’s kind of like, it’s not harmful, but like, did Jesus do stuff like that? Or like throw paper airplanes? Like that’s like, you know what I mean?

Tommy G (07:42):

It’s all like, it’s all Bible. There’s no adolescent account of what Jesus was up to. Basically we hear a story of when he was 12, he goes missing. He, they find him, uh, preaching at a nor local church. And then from like 12 to like 31, there’s no record of what Jesus was up to. And all of a sudden he appears and he’s kind of in Messiah mode and he’s doing all the speaking and miracles and cool stuff, but like the whole in between is like, what was this guy up to before that

Sevan Matossian (08:09):

Messiah mode? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I’m gonna, um, uh, u f o of God. And um, I’m sending you just his, um, Amazon page. He’s super easy to get ahold of.

Tommy G (08:22):

Hmm. Sounds like the aliens have figured how to figure out how to get ahold of him easily.

Sevan Matossian (08:27):

Yeah, they get ahold of, you’re right. They get ahold of him. He gets ahold of them. I’m looking for our, um,

Tommy G (08:33):

Um, now a guy that claims he’s being visited by UFOs that are sent by God. Does that not strike you as this guy’s potentially off his rocker?

Sevan Matossian (08:45):

Um, it, it, it, it’s, it’s an, it’s an, it’s an option, right? Um, the, it’s an option. Um, if someone told, I mean the guy who, the guy who invented the atomic bomb or who dropped the atomic bomber, probably off their rocker too. Like really? You dropped a bomb on a city of Japanese people and vaporized half a million of them.

Tommy G (09:04):

I suppose there’s a lot of innovation connected to kind of crazy people, but there’s good, crazy and bad people. But, uh, or, and bad crazy, but I mean, if you’re Thomas Edison and you’re in a factor, uh, uh, laboratory for weeks at a time, not talking to your family, tinkering around with Yeah. Funk wires and chemicals, like, I think, um, madness probably does lead to a lot of creation.

Sevan Matossian (09:26):

Okay. Here, here’s a question for you. Just so, cuz we need to get a baseline for, uh, crazy. What’s crazier to say you see UFOs or to say that men can get pregnant? <laugh>? I would say

Tommy G (09:37):

Men can get pregnant cuz one is actually somewhat possible

Sevan Matossian (09:42):

What the UFO part

Tommy G (09:43):

UFOs are. It’s actually

Sevan Matossian (09:44):

Plausible. Yeah. Okay. Good. All right. Good. Then we’re on the same page. I think we’re on the same page then. That’s where I’m at. Yeah. Okay. That, that’s where I’m at. Beth, you

Tommy G (09:52):

Said that if someone said a trans man could get pregnant Sure. Yeah. But not a man, man.

Sevan Matossian (09:57):

Right. Okay. Um, I, I, yeah. Okay. Me and you are in the same place. Yeah, I think that, I think you’re, I’m, I’m with you. It’s a, it’s a possibility.

Tommy G (10:06):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, this

Sevan Matossian (10:08):

Guy’s really, um, uh, mellow, benign. He doesn’t, he doesn’t, um, except for this alien shit, he seems very sheltered.

Tommy G (10:18):

Hmm. So he is a hardcore Christian Guy. That also happens the moonlight on the UFO side.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):

Yeah. But basically the UFOs to him are like the aliens and shit or the, the UFOs to him and, and the, uh, aliens are God, they’re like the angels in God, that that’s the part. He, they’re not a, he’s changed the name of them, right? Mm-hmm.

Tommy G (10:38):

<affirmative> suppose it’s up to interpretation at this point. No one can really say definitively anything about the UFO subject

Sevan Matossian (10:47):

In, in this book that he, he writes and when he was on the podcast, it seems like every single person that goes and visits him ends up seeing the aliens. Well, and you should be scared because it, it, when I had him on the, when I read his book at the end of the book, it, um, it says, uh, if you want to see the aliens yourself just do this. And it says like, go outside and look up at the night sky and asked to see them and blah, blah blah. And, and I was like, nah, I’m good. <laugh>. I didn’t do it. It was like a Ouija board. I’m like, I’m good.

Tommy G (11:16):

Prayer is another thing that’s interesting for me to like, uh, sift through because it’s like, what if, if someone’s dying from cancer, if 999 people pray like God’s like, nope. Can’t do it. But if a thousand people, he’s like, yeah, okay. I think I can pull some tricks. I just feel like that’s the wrong interpretation of prayers. Like, I think if anything, it’s like trying to build a personal connection to God and, and it’s almost like a, a Christian form of therapy. Like, you don’t go to your therapist, you, you lay it on God, so you talk to God about it. But I think the idea that God’s up there, like, oh, I need the Chicago bears to win tonight. And God’s like, well, I think I can make that. I just think it’s a little silly to think about.

Sevan Matossian (11:57):

I agree. Um, I agree. I agree.

Tommy G (12:01):

He’s not like a deli meat worker where he like, you punch your card and it’s like, oh, I’m 91, I get to order what I want now. And he’s just like, okay, what do, what do you want? You know?

Sevan Matossian (12:10):

Um, I think it, people are gonna hate this, but I think it’s more along the lines of you, you pray to God, Hey, I want to catch the, um, every pass tonight. And because you prayed, then you believe that you’re gonna catch every pass tonight because you believe God’s on your side and therefore it leads to you making your best effort to catch every pass, to hold your end of the bargain. And then you catch every pass and then you thank God because, um, uh, you, you think that that was an important mechanism to it. Like there’s almost a, um, what’s that called? Like when you’re afraid of black cats, um,

Tommy G (12:43):

And then you attract black cats or superstition.

Sevan Matossian (12:45):

Superstition. There’s like a superstition piece to it. Yeah. There are a lot of interesting mechanisms like that psychologically. Right. That’s like the one I always freak out about abortion. They don’t tell you the, the problem is they don’t tell you that when you get an abortion, you pick something up and that’s the thought that you had an abortion. You, you have to deal with that your whole life. Yeah. And picking up thoughts sucks. Like if you hit an old lady with your car and then sped away, you have to, you’re gonna carry that for your whole life.

Tommy G (13:12):

Yeah. And that’s a big burden to carry. Have you ever spoken with women that have gotten abortions and like, have thoughts about it? Man, they wish they didn’t do it because I only know, uh, two or three women that have gone through that and all of them wish they hadn’t gone through it.

Sevan Matossian (13:26):

Yeah, because you, well, yeah. Uh, uh, I’ve, I’ve only spoken with a handful of them also, but I can only imagine. Same, same with the men. I can only imagine. Cuz then you have to think even if you were all for it, you have to carry that your whole life. Drugs are the same way. Nicotine’s the same way. I tried nicotine in my whole life. Even this morning I thought about nicotine. Really? Yeah. I fucking love nicotine. I mean, I haven’t had it in a long time, but like, yeah, it’d be nice to put a pouch in right now.

Tommy G (13:56):

Yeah, it is buzz. You get,

Sevan Matossian (14:01):

Did you ever fuck with nicotine?

Tommy G (14:02):

I do. Zens. Are you familiar with the zen pop?

Sevan Matossian (14:05):

Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Little white ones.

Tommy G (14:08):

Yeah. They’re supposed to be the less dangerous or, uh, cancerous version of, of nicotine. But I like it, dude. I I, it’s a road trip thing or if I’m cruising around in the car, it just, it’s kind of like a, a thing that I’ve been programmed now. Like okay, I’m like a little monkey when I get in the car, I like to throw ’em on in.

Sevan Matossian (14:26):

Um, uh, uh, here we go again. Men talking for women because they’ve talked with three women. Listen, we, we, we can use a different example. We don’t, uh, we don’t even have to use women. Uh, I’ve talked to men who’ve had, uh, whose wives have had abortions and now that they’re think, they think about it their whole lives. When

Tommy G (14:42):

Do we say anything? Speaking for women. We’re just saying with the small sample size of women we’ve encountered that have told us this. Cuz they trusted us to tell us. Cuz it’s a very personal thing to say. They, that was their feedback and the idea like, we’re getting to this weird place. Like, oh, if you’re not a woman, you can’t talk about this. If you’re not an Asian person, you can’t talk about an issue that goes with the Asian person. Like, everyone is free to talk about anything. And I’m sure I

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

Look it God cast, cast them down. You went, you lost your video for how dare you speak to Allison nyc. Like that.

Tommy G (15:13):

Yeah. Sorry Alice. Oh my. Am I off? Uh,

Sevan Matossian (15:16):

Your video’s off.

Tommy G (15:17):

Sorry. Someone was trying to call me so it went off.

Sevan Matossian (15:19):

Uh, I like that Allison just said, get out of here. She’s from New York. I like that. That’s like, aren’t you from New York? Oh no, you’re from Milwaukee. But that’s like some new, she’s giving us some New York slang Now. Get outta get outta here. Get outta here.

Tommy G (15:35):

So I don’t, yeah, anyways, we can, we can move past it if it bothersome to some

Sevan Matossian (15:39):

Folks. Hey, it’s, it’s, it’s even like, it’s even like, I can’t wait till, um, I come out of the closet, so I’m just so tired of not telling everyone I’m gay. Its this exact same thing, right? Like you, it’s just the burden of keeping a secret. You just want to be like, oh yes, I love sucking dick.

Tommy G (15:54):

Well, I I think I’ll go to more pure comparison where it’s like, thank you. I would say, uh, the abortion thing is similar to being a police officer, having to carry around. Like even though there’s things that you, you’d make the right call, like maybe it was the right call to have an abortion in that moment for that person. If just like a police officer, it might be the right call. The guy’s charging someone with a knife and you have to take ’em out. You have to live with these types of things for the rest of your life. And there’s just some, some lines when you crossman life you don’t know

Sevan Matossian (16:22):

He’s getting blown up. People are calling you. Is that people calling me? I know.

Tommy G (16:25):

Yeah. This one number keeps calling me on repeat. And I, if they call me again, don’t have to answer and tell ’em, stop calling me. So, uh,

Sevan Matossian (16:33):

Uh, look, listen to this Trish, man, we’ve dug, I know five women who found their, who found their abortion necessary and don’t regret it. I I wouldn’t even say it’s regret. I’m not even talking about regret. I’m just talking about, um, uh, you, you, you, it’s your part of your story. You, you pick up par you pick up part of your story and like, do you want that to be part of your story?

Tommy G (16:52):

Well, I also think, sir, like in is what situation you are in life. And so they may have been in a place in life where it was probably the best option for them and it may so yeah. That, and that’s I think more power to ’em. They get to make that choice. I’m not saying anything pro or against it. I’m

Sevan Matossian (17:08):

Just, oh, that’s another guest you could have on. Hmm. You, you could, uh, do, um, uh, fuck with, um, uh, he’s coming on here tomorrow. Seth Gruber. It’s his second time on. He’s made it his life mission to, um, to, to make abortion illegal.

Tommy G (17:26):

Yeah. I probably won’t have ’em on.

Sevan Matossian (17:28):

Oh, too controversial.

Tommy G (17:30):

I’m not that interested in it. Also. Like, oh, all right. I also, it’s, it just, why? I don’t know it. It’s why is it so I guess you could answer why it’s so important, but, um, I I just

Sevan Matossian (17:42):

Think it’s, I’m pro I’m pro-choice. Don’t get me wrong. I’m pro-choice, but I just think it’s fascinating that you wanna save babies. What?

Tommy G (17:49):

Yeah, I just, when people get that obsessed about one thing, it’s like, oh, okay. I don’t know. It’s like the pastor that hates gay people, but then you find out he’s secretly gay too. And it’s like, I don’t know when you fixate that much on one thing, it just, you interesting.

Sevan Matossian (18:05):

Um, yesterday, uh, no. Oh, I’ll go back further. About a month ago I put on a 16 pound vest and I did a hundred jump ropes. Single unders, not double unders, a hundred jump rope with a 16 pound vest on barefoot. I, I, um, and then I did that every two minutes for 20 minutes. So I ended up doing a thousand jump rope barefoot with a 16 pound vest.

Tommy G (18:31):

What’d you think?

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

I I was a little concerned that, um, I would be super sore. I wasn’t sore at all. But yesterday, Tommy, I ran stairs with my kids, my two six-year olds and my eight-year old. And we ran stairs for 20 minutes. My calves are so fucking sore. I could barely walk this morning.

Tommy G (18:49):

It’s amazing when you have youth on your side, it feels like you can do anything to your body. But once you start even getting a little bit older, it’s like you do that and you feel it for a while. You gotta,

Sevan Matossian (18:58):

Well, why didn’t the jump rope make me sore?

Tommy G (19:02):

Maybe your calfs, maybe you have really strong metatarsal in your feet and they can handle it, but your calfs are a little under par compared to your feet.

Sevan Matossian (19:10):

Yeah, it was crazy. Are you, are you training? You have time to train?

Tommy G (19:15):

Yeah. Jiujitsu and, uh, coach and wrestling probably four or five times a week.

Sevan Matossian (19:20):

Holy shit. Are are you, are you doing your own editing?

Tommy G (19:27):

So we have three different editors, but um, Miguel is the main editor and then Jack is another guy on my team. But I do some of like, I’ll cut things down, but they make it look good. Like I, I don’t do, I can’t do the fancy editing, but, um, so it’s a team of three and, but Miguel is definitely the chief editing officer of the, of the squad.

Sevan Matossian (19:46):

Um, I highly recommend three of these videos. Highly, uh, inside the secret world of Miami’s millionaires, uh, visiting Trap land. Wow. These guys are cool by the way. I could tell how giddy you were. You love rappers.

Tommy G (19:59):

Yeah, definitely.

Sevan Matossian (20:02):

You were so giddy. And you’d been up all night when you did that piece, right?

Tommy G (20:06):

Yeah, cuz we’d been hog hunting the night before and got home at like 9:00 AM And so I was, it’s amazing how much you can be off. Like I felt like I was drunk. That’s how tired we had to pull over on the road because we were driving and I just couldn’t, I couldn’t keep up and none of the, none of the guys in my crew were either, we were so exhausted that just getting a 20 minute, 30 minute sleep on the side of the road was the safest choice.

Sevan Matossian (20:29):

I reached out to both those guys after watching this and invited them on my podcast,

Tommy G (20:33):

Kosher and Trap land. Pat?

Sevan Matossian (20:35):


Tommy G (20:36):

What did they say? I’m, did I even get back to you pr

Sevan Matossian (20:38):

I don’t know. I sent them last night, but man, those are two really fucking cool young men.

Tommy G (20:44):

Oh, I’m a big fan of both of them.

Sevan Matossian (20:47):

How, how do you find those guys?

Tommy G (20:50):

The rap world is kind of a small place and um, so I’ve done a video with this rapper named Baby Tron who also collaborated with BLP Kosher and my friend Certified Trapper did a song with BLP Kosher. So then we hit them up and did the Florida experience and uh, they’re just two young men that are making music. And I think, I would say being very positive, rap is an easy world to get pulled into a negative direction. Cuz a lot of rap that’s popular right now is like the most vicious and heartless and you know, I have no feelings. I treat women like shit and I am a men to society. And so like to hear guys that are coming up with a, a different spin on it is interesting. I like it.

Sevan Matossian (21:33):

And you just reached out to them?

Tommy G (21:36):

Say that again? You

Sevan Matossian (21:37):

Just reached out to them?

Tommy G (21:39):

Yeah, yeah. So when they saw it’s a, a lot of rappers are interested in working with me cuz when a lot of them, those are some of my most successful videos.

Sevan Matossian (21:49):

And, and and you were, you were walking with these rappers by, uh, a junior high and these kids come running over and jump over the fence and they want to take pictures with you. Is that your demographic? Is that junior high? My

Tommy G (22:02):

Demographic is like 70% 18 to 35.

Sevan Matossian (22:06):

Oh, so that’s a little older. Okay. That’s interesting. But all those kids knew who you were and they were taking pictures with you. Did that shock you? Did that surprise you? You’re in the middle of fucking nowhere?

Tommy G (22:17):

Not really. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s, well one, we were also with BLP Kosher and Trapline pat. So between the three of us, there’s, you know, each kid knew at least one of us, or both of us, or all of us, you know. And so, um, it’s just weird how the internet works is like, you don’t anticipate this when you’re on your journey. Like you’re just thinking, oh, I’m gonna make interesting documentaries about cool stores or cool people and then all of a sudden people see you in the bathroom at QuickTrip or that people see you in the grocery store at a restaurant and it just, it’s a different, um, it’s just new hurdle to encounter

Sevan Matossian (22:54):

In one of your videos, Tommy, um, there’s just a quick segment with you.

Tommy G (23:01):


Sevan Matossian (23:02):

Wrestling with sugar, uh, sugar Shawn, um, sugar Shawn. Sugar Shawn O’Malley’s, coach who? Tim Welch. What’s his name?

Tommy G (23:12):

Tim Welch.

Sevan Matossian (23:13):

Yeah. And he’s an in, I think I saw him compete at, um, Abu Dhabi Combat, uh, challenge. I think he’s a, yeah, I love

Tommy G (23:19):

That guy. He’s a very positive, he, he had, he runs a really cool gym. Like the, the vibes in there are great. He’s a great leader and he’s tough. And, um, you saw towards the end of that, uh, segment, you saw him tap me. He would’ve choked me to sleep if I didn’t tap. So, uh, yeah, he’s a, he’s a tough son of a gun.

Sevan Matossian (23:37):

Well, um, why didn’t you, why don’t, why doesn’t that deserve a whole video?

Tommy G (23:41):

We, if we would’ve gotten deeper into it with Sugar Shawn, it would’ve been, but Sha was, he was, uh, rehabilitating his back at that point and couldn’t train. And also he’s at that level of stardom where I think he has to meet you once or twice to figure out who you are before he invites you into his life. So a lot of it was just getting to know him, going out to lunch with him and his coach and next time we’re in Arizona, the door’s open to, to hang out and do more, but we just didn’t get enough of a story to make a whole video about it.

Sevan Matossian (24:08):

Um, do you smoke weed?

Tommy G (24:10):

Yeah, I probably, I smoke probably twice, two, three times a week. Like one or two puffs at a time.

Sevan Matossian (24:15):

That’s it.

Tommy G (24:17):

Yeah. If I don’t, I don’t like putting my astronaut boots on and go and way out to the moon, but just enough that I can take a little bit and I go into the woods or I edit or I work out. That’s where I like to be.

Sevan Matossian (24:29):

So this dude, uh, tell me his name again. Chris Welch.

Tommy G (24:33):


Sevan Matossian (24:33):

Welch. Tim Welch. You just, you just contacted him and he’s like, oh yeah, swing on by Tommy.

Tommy G (24:38):

Yeah. Yeah. And that was a, that was a fun trip cuz we also got to talk with a mafia hitman. Um, Sammy the Bull who had done 19 hits in his day and then we got to go to The Zone, which is a tent city in Phoenix where it’s the second biggest homeless camp in the country at that time. They actually just bulldozed. And I don’t know where those people are being.

Sevan Matossian (24:59):

No. July 10th. You said in the video it says July 10th is when it gets bulldozed.

Tommy G (25:04):

Oh, maybe. Maybe they, cuz I know they keep issuing warnings and they keep, the court keeps pushing it back. But um, that was one of the most intense places I’ve ever visited. I mean, it just like, it’s almost, those people are humans but it’s, they’re almost living at a subhuman level. Like people are like laying in muck and like shouting at the sky and doing fentanyl right in front of you. It was definitely alarming And uh, definitely like we had to leave cuz at one point cuz someone’s schizophrenic, uh, mind was taken into places where it was like, okay, I think we need to get out of here.

Sevan Matossian (25:41):

So, um, it’s interesting that you still call them homeless cuz your video is, uh, preaches exactly what I’ve been preaching since day one. He walks up to one of the guys here in the, in the place and he says, Hey, now listen carefully, everyone, he walks up to one of the guys in the place and he says, how many people here, uh, are drug addicts? And the guy says all of them.

Tommy G (26:02):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

Sevan Matossian (26:03):

All of them. There’s a thousand tents in this tent city. It’s in, it’s in fucking Phoenix. It’s such a comprehensive peace dude. Then you go into that business, there’s a business, a deli that’s been there 33 years and Tommy walks in there and he is like, how the fuck are you guys staying in business?

Tommy G (26:20):

Yeah. And the sad thing about this deli owner, this guy Joe, is he’s had a thriving business for many years and then the city let homeless people basically camp outside of his place. Like there’s naked guys with axes peeing in front of his door and he just has to like accept it. And now like that’s gonna be his retirement. I mean, he’s an independent business owner. It’s a hard thing to do. And his, his plan was to, he’s almost at retirement age and his plan was to sell his business, retire, go off into the sunset, but who in their right mind is gonna buy that business when they have to compete with people throwing feces like at each other two feet away? You know?

Sevan Matossian (26:57):

Yeah. It’s absolutely crazy. And you’re not even exaggerating. It literally is people taking shits just right in front of his restaurant.

Tommy G (27:04):

Yeah. The New York Times did a wonderful piece on him. And so there’s a lot of people that support him, but like, how are you gonna convince your family this is the place that we wanna stop and eat? You know, like most people are gonna be scared of it.

Sevan Matossian (27:17):

Uh, I also wanna point out another uh, piece of the element that I preach quite frequently is Tommy interviews this guy and he says to him, Hey, what’s up? Uh, how did you end up in the camp? And he says, I was addicted to drugs and now I’m trying to get off. And the reason I was able to try to get off was because I was arrested. He was arrested and taken to jail for two months, which, which changed his, his cadence, his in his life and it, and allowed him to get off of drugs. So there’s, on the, on the left you have people saying, Hey, um, do needle exchanges and, and basically the hold the whole code dependent route. And then on the right you have, Hey, let’s take him to jail. And I personally, if I was addicted to fentanyl, I’d wanna be arrested and taken to jail. Give thought on

Tommy G (28:01):

That. Yeah. Someone very, someone very close to me in my life, um, was doing a lot of different drugs for many years, went to jail for 10 months and now is seven years sober. And that was definitely, if he didn’t, hadn’t gone to jail, we were definitely like, okay, when is this guy gonna overdose? When is his door gonna get kicked in by the police? And it was very scary. So I think, um, the thing is in this country we can overdo it like 10 months is one thing. 10 or 15 years is another. The, the same guy that is now sober working for Amazon, doing fantastic. They wanted him to plead to 15 years and then they reweight all the evidence and like, oh, it’s all misdemeanors. You can go. And by that time he was sober and able to reenter life.

Sevan Matossian (28:42):

But you don’t like the three strikes. You’re out, you get caught with cocaine three times and we lock you up for life. You’re not down with that

Tommy G (28:48):

Cocaine. Why some, why should someone be in a prison for the rest of their life for cocaine? I

Sevan Matossian (28:52):

Agree. One month at a time would be more than enough.

Tommy G (28:57):

Yeah. I think a lot of it, because a lot of these, um, we’ve, we’ve done a lot of different stores at homeless camps. We just did one in DC and they, a lot of these people have resources that there is housing for them if they want to stop using. But the pull of the drug is so severe that they would rather live in garbage on the street than have a government paid apartment. Which is just staggering. Cause I’ve never, I mean I’ve done a handful of drugs in my life, but I just can’t imagine something being that intoxicating that it’s just like, I would rather live like with open source and with uh, you know.

Sevan Matossian (29:38):

Oh, he froze. All I heard was open sores. Darn it. Uh, Dylan, I saw that also there’s a video of California state representative telling people if they love their kids to leave California. Uh, you froze. Uh, uh, Tommy, you were saying that there’s people who would rather fucking do drugs, um, than with.

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