#914 – Hiller’s World | Cheating Your Way To the Games

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Here we go. Bam. We’re live. Wow. Late night show. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Hey, good to see you. Hey.

Andrew Hiller (00:10):


Sevan Matossian (00:10):

Up? What’s up? How are you? I’m good. Uh, I wonder, can people hear you also? Oh, shoot. I forgot to do rumble.

Andrew Hiller (00:16):

It says Mike is muted.

Sevan Matossian (00:18):


Andrew Hiller (00:19):

Can you hear me?

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

I don’t know. Let’s see. Let’s see. Can people hear you? It should be one of your mic should be muted. Hey, can you, can you guys hear Andrew Hiller? Can anyone hear? Can everyone hear Andrew Hiller? Hillary can count to five or something.

Andrew Hiller (00:29):

Hiller better be wearing two shirts.

Sevan Matossian (00:31):

Yes, he can. J Cole. Thank you. Cool.

Andrew Hiller (00:34):


Sevan Matossian (00:35):

We, uh, we are, we’re experimenting. Um, we’re experimenting today with, uh, something a little new. We didn’t mean to be experimenting, but here we are. Um, experimenting. Yeah. There we go. That’s it. There

Andrew Hiller (00:47):

We are. I think this is a good look.

Sevan Matossian (00:49):

Holy shit. <laugh>. Oh, no. Now, uh, Al uh, now sp is saying, uh, no, Alex Peter says, yes. Hiller’s. Very quiet.

Andrew Hiller (00:59):


Sevan Matossian (01:00):

Uh, how about now?

Andrew Hiller (01:02):

Better? I don’t know anyone. We should probably talk,

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Uh, let us know if there’s any issues, uh, in the comments. He’s just really quiet. Oh, br Oh, it’s your mic. Look where your mic is.

Andrew Hiller (01:14):

How about now? Closer.

Sevan Matossian (01:16):

Point it, right? It should be like basically touching your lips and point it up. Yeah. More. I

Andrew Hiller (01:20):

Heard Dave had this on his mouth. I gotta keep it far, far

Sevan Matossian (01:22):

Away. That is the one Castor had on his mouth. Is that better? We see and hear you both Artemis Cadesh. Artemis Cadesh. Yeah. Sit next to each other. Here

Andrew Hiller (01:30):

We are. Okay. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (01:32):

We are at the, uh, California hormones. Each front, uh,

Andrew Hiller (01:37):

Look at that Rogan level quality

Sevan Matossian (01:41):

At the, uh, estate

Andrew Hiller (01:45):

Pilot. Nice.

Sevan Matossian (01:47):

I just got a notification that it’s my, um, friend, uh, my best friend from the second grade’s birthday tomorrow. I hope I don’t screw that up.

Andrew Hiller (01:52):

What the hell is this? Is it me or se bigger than Hiller?

Sevan Matossian (01:58):

Uh, yes. Bigger. I’m huge.

Andrew Hiller (02:01):

He is. He is. He’s getting big. It’s like, and explode.

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

Uh, Bruce Wayne is ready for the show. I have a cold brew of water and a white claw. Ready? That’s good, guys. Uh, here we are. Oh. And there’s a crazy delay. That’s interesting. Uh, I saw, I saw, uh, Andrew Hiller, uh, Hiller Fit. You put out a video. Oh, look, there it is. California homeowner. Sarah. Thank you. Hey.

Andrew Hiller (02:24):

She said you’d be here.

Sevan Matossian (02:25):

There you are. The peptides. The peptides empire. The peptides Queen. You, you’re taking peptides, right?

Andrew Hiller (02:32):

San Morin.

Sevan Matossian (02:33):

How is it? Good. And you were saying, uh, today there was that guy we spoke to that peptide expert at lunch, and he was saying that I should put something here in my bicep.

Andrew Hiller (02:42):

BPC 1 57,

Sevan Matossian (02:43):

Which is the same thing you said to me last week.

Andrew Hiller (02:45):


Sevan Matossian (02:47):

BPC 1 57.

Andrew Hiller (02:48):

Do you remember what that stands for?

Sevan Matossian (02:50):


Andrew Hiller (02:50):

Body Protecting Compound. Oh 1 57 NTB 500

Sevan Matossian (02:57):

Protect Income. B bpc.

Andrew Hiller (02:59):

You’re writing that down, huh?

Sevan Matossian (03:00):

Yeah. Bpc.

Andrew Hiller (03:01):

He is writing it down. Yeah. He actually writes things down, guys. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (03:04):

There you go. <laugh>. Uh, and, um, and, uh, BA California Hormones is gonna have all sorts of peptides available. Very short here. I think we’re two weeks out. Right?

Andrew Hiller (03:16):

That’s what we were talking about today. Yeah. That’s the goal. Two weeks.

Sevan Matossian (03:20):

Yeah. That’s awesome. Miss Sarah, thanks for the loop. Thanks for the place to put my head down tonight. Thanks for the place for my family to go back and, uh, watch a movie while Hillary and I, uh, practice this new setup. This is crazy.

Andrew Hiller (03:30):

What are they watching?

Sevan Matossian (03:31):

I don’t know. Probably something that you suggested

Andrew Hiller (03:33):

Night of the Roxbury.

Sevan Matossian (03:35):


Andrew Hiller (03:36):

I got the boys going. No.

Sevan Matossian (03:38):

Yes. <laugh>.

Andrew Hiller (03:40):

They’re gonna hear me say that and they’re gonna run out. You’re, you’re gonna do it. I,

Sevan Matossian (03:43):

I, I, I wish, uh, Suza or Caleb were here tonight so that they could, uh, switch the cameras for us.

Andrew Hiller (03:50):

Right. Maybe they’ll jump in. Yeah. And then we could, you know, we just be like there. Alright. Uh, I’ll be talking and then you’d say something.

Sevan Matossian (03:57):

Yeah. And then it’s my turn and it goes back to me. God, we’re like little kids with a new toy.

Andrew Hiller (04:01):

I’ve been telling you to do this forever, but I think Streamy updated it, made it easier.

Sevan Matossian (04:05):

Extra sloppy Hiller. How did Dick Knows? Do in the Open? Who’s Dick knows that

Andrew Hiller (04:10):

Would be you.

Sevan Matossian (04:10):

Oh. Uh, I didn’t do the open.

Andrew Hiller (04:14):

How come? Is it the, is

Sevan Matossian (04:15):

That, is that my nickname on, um,

Andrew Hiller (04:17):


Sevan Matossian (04:18):

Oh, really? No.

Andrew Hiller (04:19):


Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Oh, <laugh>. <laugh>. Is that my ni How does he know? How do you know that if am I referred to as Dick Nose in certain circles?

Andrew Hiller (04:27):

This many times in my life I’ve been told that I have a big nose. And I think you often say you have a big nose. So,

Sevan Matossian (04:33):

So you don’t know for sure if he’s talking about me? No. Oh, okay.

Andrew Hiller (04:37):

It could be that character from Deuce Bigelow too, with the Dick nose. Right. Okay. Which I know you haven’t seen, but someone has seen it here.

Sevan Matossian (04:44):

Uh, I’m tripping. Uh, the reason why we’re doing this show is because I’m tripping. I am tripping. Uh, not the fact that I might be called Dick Nose on Reddit. I’m tripping that there’s a guy. I’m going to see if I can, um, go over here to, uh, where did I go? YouTube.

Andrew Hiller (05:02):

Oh, we’re getting right after it.

Sevan Matossian (05:03):

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Andrew Hiller (05:06):


Sevan Matossian (05:06):

Pillar Fit. And then I’m gonna go, uh, click your YouTube channel. All right, ladies, let’s do adl. Nope. Not that one. No. So what are the workouts? No. Ah, here it is. This video is called, uh, the Four F’s. God, I love doing stuff with you because I don’t have to worry about the Seven Second Rule. God, nice. Oh, uh, here it is. Uh, this video is called the, um, oh shit. Now look. Now Can what now? It’s all, it’s all, it’s all the

Andrew Hiller (05:39):

Cameras. All screens. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (05:41):

That didn’t work out exactly how I wanted. Uh, th this video is called The Four Fs, and there’s like this video of 16,000 views already in just four days. How many comments does this thing have? 156 comments. Okay, so here’s the thing. There’s a guy who is in Jason. Do you guys know who Jason Grub is? He’s a masters athlete that’s been on this show at least, I want to say at least once for a full interview. Probably

Andrew Hiller (06:04):

Five or six

Sevan Matossian (06:05):

Times. Yeah. And then a handful of other times we just check in with him and say, what’s up? Cool. Dude. Super upbeat. You can see him over in a bunch of the mayhem, uh, videos, uh, that they just do at Mayhem. You know, just that constant stream of videos that the Mayhem Empire puts out. Occasionally you’ll see him in there making guest appearances. He’s following the Mayhem programming. He’s homeboys with Rich Froning and, and, and Angelo and Luke and Christa Fall. And Paige. Paige. Paige Powers, powers and, uh, Bailey Rail. I mean, she’s, he’s, he’s in there, he’s in the mix. He drives his motor home there. And he’s a dude. And, uh, there’s a guy in his ca and, and Jason’s, I think a two times cross a games champion. Right, right. And this guy,

Andrew Hiller (06:49):

Thank you Alexis.

Sevan Matossian (06:50):

Uh, this guy, what did she say? You the yolked?

Andrew Hiller (06:52):

Well, no, she reminded me to put the workout in for tomorrow.

Sevan Matossian (06:55):

Oh. She’s a good, good girl. Uh, and, um, uh, this, this guy, basically Hillary made this video, it’s called the Four F’s of cheating. And, uh, it’s pretty Did you, do you, so what’s the guy’s name?

Andrew Hiller (07:12):

Greg Garcia Ier or something, but I called him Gra Garcia.

Sevan Matossian (07:18):

Gra Garcia.

Andrew Hiller (07:19):

But that’s, no, it’s g e r e r I believe. Garcia.

Sevan Matossian (07:24):

And, and, and what, tell me about the title of this video. Why is it called the Four Fs?

Andrew Hiller (07:28):

Because as I was putting it together, I was trying to get creative with it. And then the first minute or so, you’re gonna see fake weights. And I don’t remember exactly what the F’s were, but I tried to get fancy with it. But there were four separate things that I picked up on that he had done that you can

Sevan Matossian (07:45):

Tell. Fake weight. What? Uh, fake, uh, one of them.

Andrew Hiller (07:48):

Fake weights. Fake scores.

Sevan Matossian (07:50):

Fake scores. How about the steroids?

Andrew Hiller (07:52):

Oh, fitter than Froning was one of

Sevan Matossian (07:53):

’em. Oh, fitter than Froning. I like that. Okay.

Andrew Hiller (07:55):

And then I forgot the fourth one. I don’t know if what’s gonna come to

Sevan Matossian (07:58):

Mind. So, so basically the, the main pr the some of the main, maybe it’s

Andrew Hiller (08:01):

Fake body cuz I said he is not in a fake steroids. Fake, fake testosterone, fake something. It was like three fakes.

Sevan Matossian (08:09):

Okay. And, and ba So basically the things that you is accused too strong of a word. Do you accuse him of this? Or do you sus do you say, I suspect it. What, what’s the uh,

Andrew Hiller (08:22):

It’s about as certain as I could possibly be. Because the first thing that he did, and maybe this is putting the cart in front of the horse, is the, I put the video up and within 30 minutes the dude goes private on Instagram.

Sevan Matossian (08:33):

Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. That’s a trip. That’s a trip,

Andrew Hiller (08:38):

Right? I don’t know if I could be any more certain about at least two of the four claims on there.

Sevan Matossian (08:43):

And has he reached out to you? No. He hasn’t DMed you or anything? No.

Andrew Hiller (08:47):

Neither has David Duda.

Sevan Matossian (08:51):

And, and, and that guy’s in the video too.

Andrew Hiller (08:53):

That’s the dude that I’m now speculating. He got the fake plates from, which since I’ve put this video out, I’ve had a couple of people send me or directly or I’ve gotten from other people. There’s apparently weights that they have at the affiliate that are locked under these stairs that no one can get to. But they know that they’re there. People know of them. And only these individuals use them

Sevan Matossian (09:15):


Andrew Hiller (09:15):

You and you. It just sounds too good to be true.

Sevan Matossian (09:17):

Is that the same guy, the guy that was just doing the bar muscle up in this

Andrew Hiller (09:20):

Guy? Yeah, I said that that looks like Adam Klink on the bike and then that now he looks like Gordon Ryan and he is at Liver King face.

Sevan Matossian (09:29):

Wow. Okay. Okay. So here it is. Where, where’s that leaderboard? I gotta find that leaderboard.

Andrew Hiller (09:34):

Oh dude, his muscle ups are atrocious. Froning mentioned those muscle ups on his podcast. Someone showed him that. They go, Hey, there’s this guy who’s doing muscle ups and I don’t even know what you call him because it’s not like he’s missing the lockout. It’s not like he’s locking out behind like some people will do. He’s just not even getting up. There’s no dip.

Sevan Matossian (09:54):

So here’s the deal. This guy, this guy has qualified for the masters in the what age division?

Andrew Hiller (10:02):

45 to 49.

Sevan Matossian (10:04):

45 to 49. Um, he did the same, is it, was it the identical workout? That was 20

Andrew Hiller (10:09):


Sevan Matossian (10:10):

And, and and it was a thruster

Andrew Hiller (10:12):

1 35 thruster and ring muscle ups. And you had to do a minimum of 15 of each reps, which basically had most people doing 15 muscle ups. And then they were doing thrusters for the remainder of the Amara.

Sevan Matossian (10:25):

Wow. Uh, uh, extra sloppy, uh, I was dick nose. But now se owns that for sure. Great. Thank you <laugh>. I appreciate you,

Andrew Hiller (10:35):

You took, you took his name. Dude, I

Sevan Matossian (10:36):

Appreciate you being so generous. Uh, so this guy, um, beat Rich Froning in a semi-finals workout by 20%.

Andrew Hiller (10:48):

Well, no, no, no. He beat Grub by 20%. He beat Froning by, I believe it was six reps.

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

And that’s this workout here. Uh, 82 reps and Jason Kreb got 64. But he beat Rich.

Andrew Hiller (11:01):

Correct. I gotta show you something really quick. This is important.

Sevan Matossian (11:07):

Okay. And um, and then, and when you called him out on this, in this video,

Andrew Hiller (11:11):

You see this? Oh shoot, where is it? There

Sevan Matossian (11:15):

You go. When, when you called him out in this video,

Andrew Hiller (11:17):

You ever

Sevan Matossian (11:17):

See this? No. What is that under, is that a, is that

Andrew Hiller (11:19):

A That’s Dick noses.

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

Oh shit. Yeah, he’s dating a chick who has her, her nose is so big. She covers her face like that.

Andrew Hiller (11:26):

I think the premise of DE’s Bigelow is he’s a male prostitute and he dates all these chicks who have something up with ’em. Some of ’em have Tourettes, some of ’em are super tall. This chick has a dick nose.

Sevan Matossian (11:35):

Do they ever show it?

Andrew Hiller (11:37):

They do. Yeah. And she sneezes at a certain point and just come, comes out of it. It’s pretty funny.

Sevan Matossian (11:41):

Wow. <laugh>, wow. Uh, try try to use the word semen on my show please.

Andrew Hiller (11:47):

Seamen Science Seamen.

Sevan Matossian (11:49):

Uh, so, so this guy, the, the, the, the fake weights, uh, peds and, and he’s going to the games and did anyone report this to the CrossFit games people?

Andrew Hiller (12:07):

Yeah. And they responded.

Sevan Matossian (12:09):

And what, what did they say?

Andrew Hiller (12:11):

We’ve seen and he’s a really fit dude.

Sevan Matossian (12:16):

<laugh> and the leaderboards finalizing that guy’s going to the games. Yes

Andrew Hiller (12:19):

Sir. He’s in

Sevan Matossian (12:21):

God, it’s crazy. Um, does anyone know him? Has he ever competed at the games before? What’s his, what’s his, uh, competition history?

Andrew Hiller (12:27):

No. If you look at the competition history, he is really only been around since 2019. And from off the top of my head, I think he took 2020 and 2022 off. So he kinda came outta nowhere this year.

Sevan Matossian (12:41):

You think he’s actually gonna show up to Madison?

Andrew Hiller (12:43):

God, I hope so. I hope, I hope I run into him. I hope this is the next coming of David Hip and Steele.

Sevan Matossian (12:50):


Andrew Hiller (12:50):

God, I hope so. Why?

Sevan Matossian (12:52):

It, it would be interesting. I’m surprised he doesn’t, it would be cool if he came on your show.

Andrew Hiller (12:56):

That’d be cool too.

Sevan Matossian (12:57):

Like if he contacted you and you guys just talked it out.

Andrew Hiller (13:00):

I mean,

Sevan Matossian (13:01):

I don’t think he’s gonna show up at the games.

Andrew Hiller (13:04):

<laugh>. I don’t think he’s show. I mean, he’s private on Instagram, you know, private in real life too. <laugh> just disappear.

Sevan Matossian (13:12):

Uh, G Great. C question, uh, question by Judy Reed, uh, won’t he show up and get crushed? He’ll

Andrew Hiller (13:16):

Get destroyed. And this is actually what I’ve heard about the other guy. So there’s a guy in the 55 to 59 David something with a U mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I just say Yuba Daba. And I’ve heard this guy goes to local competitions and either gets furious at the judges for judging calls or does God awful cuz he’s just not who he says he is. And it’s cuz when he does these sorts of workouts, they use the fake plates. Him and Guar

Sevan Matossian (13:43):

Are, are you, are you concerned that maybe you, um, accused him falsely that like maybe like,

Andrew Hiller (13:48):

No, no I’m not.

Sevan Matossian (13:50):

And then how can you be, how can you be so certain?

Andrew Hiller (13:54):

Because I have to be

Sevan Matossian (13:56):


Andrew Hiller (13:56):

So, so, and other than the fact that because I’m, I don’t,

Sevan Matossian (14:01):

So there’s other stuff that you know that maybe you don’t even put in the video is what you’re saying?

Andrew Hiller (14:04):

No, this guy was no, didn’t hold back any punches. I just kind lit everything out. And the, the, the, the kind of the tipping point was how someone reached out to HQ and HQ responded with. We’ve seen them and he’s good to go. So I knew that by the time the leaderboard finalized and I actually think Brian May have reached out and tried to get clarification on this.

Sevan Matossian (14:31):

A friend.

Andrew Hiller (14:31):

Yes. And I don’t, I don’t know

Sevan Matossian (14:33):

Clarification about that guy,

Andrew Hiller (14:34):

Guy or clarification that guy. Oh, because this guy is not for real and I don’t know if it like it means anything but 95% certainty like 5%. You can’t ever be super certain about anything. But there’s no way in hell no one’s beating Froning. Absolutely nobody on this workout except for the people in his division like Panche who beat everybody in the thruster workout from the games in the thruster Wall Walk workout, the 10 to one where Mall O’Brien beat everybody. Remember that Pan won? I don’t,

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

But I’ll

Andrew Hiller (15:06):

Take your word on it. Pan won that year. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And he beat Froning on this thruster workout and this random ass guy is not doing the same thing 10 years older than Froning. And I guess I should really be saying Pan Chicken in this instance cuz Pan one and he beat him as well.

Sevan Matossian (15:22):

Uh, I got uh, Bruce Wayne. Nice shirt. Where’d you get it? Se I got this ad vindicate I thought you’d never ask. Thank you. V N D k eight.com. Uh, I think you can punch in the word sev and get it some sort of discount on it if you don’t have a ceo. Sure. You’re crazy. Absolutely nuts. Uh, okay, so, um, why doesn’t HQ or do you think it’s possible that HQ is working behind the scenes? That they’re sending someone out to drug test him? What, uh, that they do you think that people at HQ have have? Um,

Andrew Hiller (15:51):

Absolutely. I don’t think that they’re doing anything that get, I don’t think there’s anything they can do to be

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Honest. Why can’t they just watch your video and then call the guy and be like, Hey, we saw a video, Andrew Hiller made that suspects are using fake weights.

Andrew Hiller (16:02):

I think that that would end up giving me a little bit too much power than they’d be willing to admit.

Sevan Matossian (16:07):

What if, what?

Andrew Hiller (16:08):

Because Well, and to be honest, it’s really not fair because what if there’s somebody else in that same division that’s getting away with the same crap and I didn’t make a video on them.

Sevan Matossian (16:17):

L let, let me, let me share this with you. I, I know I know this with 99.9% certainty.

Andrew Hiller (16:23):

Okay. They’ve seen it and they don’t care.

Sevan Matossian (16:26):

No. That if you report someone for doing steroids, HG will send someone out there to test ’em.

Andrew Hiller (16:33):

Yeah. But that’s what you remember. Is that still? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (16:36):

I don’t know. But but I remember that being

Andrew Hiller (16:38):

Just recently they put out something about people who got tested. There was five or five to seven athletes that got tested and they were all negative, meaning they passed. And it was Maderas. Groff, I think it was Jor. I think I saw Gabby bag’s name on there. Mel O’Brien was on there. Ricky was on there, but there was not anything anyone crazy. And the only one that we’ve ever seen crazy was the guy who trained amongst Maderas. I’m not saying with Maderas, but it was Joey Costy. Remember that guy by chance and he failed?

Sevan Matossian (17:15):


Andrew Hiller (17:15):

I don’t. He he, he was taking a sarm I believe, but he was working out at whatever affiliate him and Knifer workout in. And that’s the only one that’s kind of ever been super random. And coincidentally also a fail probably cuz someone tattled on him. And I don’t even know if TA’s the right thing. They told us. They said say, Hey, this guy’s suspect. I doubt Gar Garcia gets tested because they don’t, I don’t know. Hey, when’s the last, I mean, at the games? At the games, he might,

Sevan Matossian (17:45):

You think, but you don’t think there’s any chance he’s gonna win

Andrew Hiller (17:48):

<laugh>? No,

Sevan Matossian (17:50):


Andrew Hiller (17:51):

No. He’ll get dead last he’ll get smoked if he shows up.

Sevan Matossian (17:54):

Uh uh Do you, do you think he’s gonna show up?

Andrew Hiller (17:58):

I hope so, but no, I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (18:01):

Um, I, I, yeah, Hillary and I went out to lunch with a guy today.

Andrew Hiller (18:06):


Sevan Matossian (18:07):

Yeah, he was, he was a a

Andrew Hiller (18:09):

5 8, 2 15.

Sevan Matossian (18:10):

Oh, that’s what he was? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Oh wow.

Andrew Hiller (18:13):

Jacked jacks. Oh, probably. I asked what his body fat was. He didn’t gimme a number, but I had to 10

Sevan Matossian (18:20):

Crazy muscle bound. Almost like, almost like, kind of like stuck,

Andrew Hiller (18:24):

No pump veins flowing throughout his bicep, inner bicep

Sevan Matossian (18:28):

Right here. And, and really crowded like huge titties

Andrew Hiller (18:31):

Right? Like this the whole time.

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

Yeah. Really crowded up front. Um, but jacked in lean. Um, that guy, I asked him point blank, uh, uh, and he seemed to be a bit of an expert. You, you obviously weren’t surprised at all. I said, Hey, can people take, uh, steroids and get away with it a hundred percent of the time? And he said, AB abso fucking lutely. He said, and that didn’t shock you at all, did it?

Andrew Hiller (18:57):

If it were you and me a year ago, how shocked would you have been by any of

Sevan Matossian (19:03):

That? I mean, before I met you I would’ve been, I I I I, I never suspected anyone in CrossFit is doing them. I I, and I still am like in denial. But this guy, this guy had a, um, a pedigree of steroid knowledge at the highest level. He was basically intimate with the, um, mark

Andrew Hiller (19:21):

Wasn’t just him. There was him and another guy. I mean, they’re both pretty well educated and they were just bouncing back and forth in general. Consensus was, um, along the lines for you and I usually talk about, which is it’s not everybody, but it’s way more than people would give credit to.

Sevan Matossian (19:36):

And this guy had, was had intimate knowledge of the workings of the steroids, uh, situation with Mark McGuire and um, Jose Conseco and Barry Bonds

Andrew Hiller (19:45):

Freaking nose Victor Conti.

Sevan Matossian (19:47):

Yeah. That like

Andrew Hiller (19:49):

The clear that yeah, the super steroid. He’s like, if you need it, I can get it. I’m like, I don’t need it. <laugh>. I’m good. <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (19:57):

If you guys wanna, um, have your, um, heart broken or your brain uh, muddled, uh, hang out with Hillary and start asking him about steroids.

Andrew Hiller (20:04):

I got into a conversation with a couple of my like high school buddies about this. And I, I sometimes I forget how much I think I know. I don’t say I know, I know. But I think I know. And how little just about everybody else knows about this stuff, which is why we meet up with people like this cuz we’re trying to learn about peptides a little bit. And he knows everything.

Sevan Matossian (20:24):

Uh, there was a great comment in here. Uh, uh, Chris, uh, Birchfield, uh, Hillary looks like a father talking to his five year old son. Seventh at dinner table. Maybe it’s just a bad Cameron angle. It’s both. I I I look like a little bites sized human being next to Andrew. And, um, and, and it’s a bad camera angle. It’s a double, uh, double.

Andrew Hiller (20:43):

Uh, shall you lean back again? Is that better

Sevan Matossian (20:46):

As Cox I only hang out with the best. Yeah,

Andrew Hiller (20:49):

That was, she was there too. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (20:50):

It was, it was, it was quite the, uh, it was quite the, quite the profound, um, conversation. This guy had no doubt that you could take it pretty much any, uh, performance enhancing drugs.

Andrew Hiller (21:02):

And he is no very particular,

Sevan Matossian (21:05):


Andrew Hiller (21:06):

And at the correct times is the way that he said it would be gone about.

Sevan Matossian (21:11):

And I asked him if he thought that the, um, if the, the CrossFitters were doing it and he said yes,

Andrew Hiller (21:17):

Not all of ’em, but no, he, I think he said more than a half. I think it is the exact number he gave.

Sevan Matossian (21:26):

And then, and then there was another drug, uh, he talked about another performance enhancing drug he talked about called Trend <laugh>. That came up, right?

Andrew Hiller (21:36):

Yeah. And, and, and then what did you say? You remember what you said? Well, how do you want to go about this? Cause I think it was pretty funny. No,

Sevan Matossian (21:44):

You could go, what did I say? I want to take that. Ah,

Andrew Hiller (21:46):

No. Oh, it was something along the lines of there’s the two people and one of ’em brought it up. Yeah. Then the other goes, yeah, you’re gonna gain muscle, lose fat at the same time. And I go, do you know why that happens? And he goes, you’re gonna wanna bang every chick around you and you’re gonna get in every fight around you. Yeah. Yeah. And then you’re over there and you’re like, yeah, yeah, that’s what I want. That’s the one that I want. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):


Andrew Hiller (22:08):

That one. And then, and then I come in and I go, yeah. And it’s also gonna make you think that no matter what, it could be the best case scenario ever. And you’re gonna think Haley’s cheating on you. Yeah. You could have spent the entire week with her and you’ll go, you are cheating on me. Joseph, you I’ve been sitting right there. You’ve seen me the whole time. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (22:26):

A drug so strong, a drug so strong, you start to think that your girlfriend’s cheating on you no

Andrew Hiller (22:30):

Matter what. No matter, there’s nothing you can do to change your mind about that.

Sevan Matossian (22:35):

Uh, what about this, uh, fe peptides? Peptides seem like, uh, more hype, uh, than help.

Andrew Hiller (22:42):

It depends on where you get them from.

Sevan Matossian (22:45):

Uh, this guy, this guy said that. B uh, well,

Andrew Hiller (22:47):

Well, and I, I wa I I’d like to hear more about that. Fergie, what do you figure? Isn’t

Sevan Matossian (22:52):

Alexis taking him for her hip or her

Andrew Hiller (22:54):

Shoulder? Shoulder?

Sevan Matossian (22:55):

And, and this guy said it would help my bicep for sure. A

Andrew Hiller (22:58):

Hundred percent.

Sevan Matossian (22:59):

So that doesn’t sound like hype to me.

Andrew Hiller (23:01):

Well, he seemed rather certain. He said, you go right into the tendon with it just right in there.

Sevan Matossian (23:08):

Um, uh, Hillary, how is your dad’s, uh, t r t journey?

Andrew Hiller (23:12):

He’s trying to get shredded to do another video.

Sevan Matossian (23:14):

Oh, no shit. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (23:16):

With you. Yeah. He’s, it’s kind of funny. He, he’ll, he’ll bring it up and he’s got this girlfriend who’ll go, yeah, I’ve been doing curls. And he’ll flex it <laugh>. He’ll go, how do I look? Am I ready for another video yet? He goes, I really wanna lean out down here now. Cause I think my arms look good, but I got this little pouch down here. It’s, it’s pretty funny. But no, he is always, never better.

Sevan Matossian (23:37):

A and, um, are you going to, are you gonna put him on a nutrition plan and get, and get him prepped for another video? He’s gotta

Andrew Hiller (23:42):

Stop drinking.

Sevan Matossian (23:43):


Andrew Hiller (23:44):

That’s what’s anybody, anybody who says they wanna lose weight mm-hmm. <affirmative> and is serious about it mm-hmm. <affirmative> and also won’t give up drinking. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I I won’t spend time with him.

Sevan Matossian (23:53):

Oh, that’s me.

Andrew Hiller (23:54):

You wanna lose weight if you come, if you, if you come to me with it, I’d be like, oh yeah, sure. Stop drinking. And if you don’t do that, he,

Sevan Matossian (24:00):

He can’t, he can’t just stop for like three months.

Andrew Hiller (24:03):

Uh, it’s not that makes them sound like an alcoholic, but it is. It’s, it’s like the enjoy it this much.

Sevan Matossian (24:09):

Why, why can’t you just work it in into the, into the, the caloric, uh, uptake?

Andrew Hiller (24:15):

I have this, this, uh, feedback loop that I just don’t believe that if you are going to be doing that, that you’re serious about it. And it’s just so detrimental. Especially when you’re his age. He’s 62. So there’s, the younger you are, the more likely you’re able to get away with it. But if you drink Friday, Saturday, Sunday, then you’re basically screwed every day. But Thursday, in my opinion Right. As far as progress is concerned. So he’ll have like fricking margaritas on Friday, Saturday and Sunday and nothing crazy, but two or three of ’em those three days. And

Sevan Matossian (24:48):

Did you tell him that? Yeah. And

Andrew Hiller (24:51):

Every time I see him, he is got a margarita. Awesome.

Sevan Matossian (24:54):


Andrew Hiller (24:55):

Approve. So he’s, and then I’m like, all right. And, and you know what the good thing about my dad is? He just doesn’t care. He’s like, okay, nevermind. I think,

Sevan Matossian (25:04):

I wonder how come this guy hasn’t reached out to you going back to this video?

Andrew Hiller (25:08):

Well, he, he’s private on Instagram. So even if I wanted to check my messages to him, I couldn’t.

Sevan Matossian (25:13):

Uh, um, if you were him and someone did that about you, how would you handle it?

Andrew Hiller (25:18):

Um, well, if I was doing it, I’d probably go private and block everybody. Right. Uh,

Sevan Matossian (25:25):

I, I don’t, I don’t know. I if I, if I were, uh, if I were him, I would, I would lean into it. Like, like, like, like shouldn’t it be a joke?

Andrew Hiller (25:35):

It’s not gonna focus is it? But no, he is responding

Sevan Matossian (25:38):

Like he, like he could just make it a joke. Do you know what I mean? Like, he could come on like, like didn’t you have a fake guy who in the games? Uh, lolli Pepper or Queen Dolly? Or didn’t you have a fake, uh, athlete in the semi club? Oliver Queen. Oliver Queen. Yeah. Can’t he just be like, Hey, I’m just fooling around. Yeah, of course I’m juiced up. Of course they’re fake weights. I’m just fooling around. Why can’t he just,

Andrew Hiller (26:00):

Well then he wouldn’t be able to go to the games and he wouldn’t be able to sell his cool fake weights to everybody like he’s trying to do. And he wouldn’t be able to have 12,000 followers. And Wait a

Sevan Matossian (26:08):

Second, you think he’s trying to sell the fake weights?

Andrew Hiller (26:10):

Yeah, man, him, him and this other guy have a plate company. It’s all free weight and it’s everywhere. All over the David Guy. The David dude,

Sevan Matossian (26:19):

Did you already say this? And I wasn’t listening.

Andrew Hiller (26:20):

It’s towards the back end of the video. Um,

Sevan Matossian (26:22):

Uh, so David, what’s the name of the company? The

Andrew Hiller (26:24):

55 to All Free Weight and it’s all in Spanish. I believe they’re from Spain.

Sevan Matossian (26:30):

Oh, this guy isn’t even American.

Andrew Hiller (26:32):

So there’s a good chance he doesn’t even know what my video is about. But someone

Sevan Matossian (26:37):

All for you. Hey, a full set of weight plates. And you’ve seen this website where the fake weights are,

Andrew Hiller (26:43):

Well, I don’t believe that those are fake weights. I think they’re selling actual weights. Okay. But I think that this is one of those, it’s like, uh, you know who Michael Hern is? I made a video recently, A baby Don’t Hurt me. Guy. Super Jack, he’s 52 and he claims to be natural and is never used a drug in his life. And he looks better than Schwarzenegger did in his prime.

Sevan Matossian (27:05):

Okay. He’s that guy’s 52. Mm-hmm.

Andrew Hiller (27:07):

<affirmative>, you would never think, but he’s probably on a whole bunch of peptides and he’s probably on what’s, make him look younger in growth hormone and whatever drug. And then he’ll say,

Sevan Matossian (27:17):

Act, this guy’s 52,

Andrew Hiller (27:19):

Michael Heron is 50 something.

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

Holy shit.

Andrew Hiller (27:24):

Let’s see how old,

Sevan Matossian (27:26):

Uh, let me uh, share this screen. This guy’s unreal by the way.

Andrew Hiller (27:29):

54. He was born in 1969.

Sevan Matossian (27:32):

Uh, by the way, uh, SEMA says something that’s very,

Andrew Hiller (27:34):

Uh, there you go, SEMAS. Exactly. That’s it.

Sevan Matossian (27:37):

Uh, because your liver will process the alcohol for 24 hours and stop processing fat. So basically every time you drink, you stop processing fat.

Andrew Hiller (27:46):

That’s probably where I’ve gathered that sort of state of mind from this guy’s 52. Yeah. See,

Sevan Matossian (27:53):

So this guy probably doesn’t drink

Andrew Hiller (27:54):


Sevan Matossian (27:55):

This is crazy.

Andrew Hiller (27:56):

Eats duck eggs. That’s what he says. He eats duck eggs.

Sevan Matossian (28:01):

Why doesn’t he just admit he’s on and and you don’t believe it for a second, that he’s not on something, there’s

Andrew Hiller (28:04):

Not one person that believes it, but he does it to the two to 2.6 million followers. And he’s probably the most viral guy on TikTok, especially in the fitness. Uh, a hundred percent in the fitness industry because everyone’s making videos for him. And I think they’re hilarious. Have you, you’ve seen those videos, right?

Sevan Matossian (28:25):


Andrew Hiller (28:26):

It’s the, they’re playing the Baby Don’t Hurt Me Song in Slow Motion, and it’ll say the most ridiculous stuff. And it’s just him in photo shoots.

Sevan Matossian (28:34):

Oh, it’s so they’re not video, they’re not his videos. No,

Andrew Hiller (28:38):

It’s other people. They’re kind of making fun of him, but he leans into it and

Sevan Matossian (28:42):

He, he looks like he’s made of plastic. Look at this video.

Andrew Hiller (28:47):

He’s with the, the mountain.

Sevan Matossian (28:49):

Yeah. Thor my own private education, live on YouTube about steroids.

Andrew Hiller (29:01):

Like this one ear, that one guy on co trying not to interrupt the person talking and he’s just spazzing out. I, I don’t know, I just, it’s funny. You gotta see it. I can’t pull him up. Sarah says, he is not an na

Sevan Matossian (29:15):

Uh, are you, are you, um, when, when you see stuff like that, that, uh, how, how, how does that come on land on your plate? This guy Guar from Spain. Some, someone sends you a I

Andrew Hiller (29:23):

Got it pitched to me. Yeah, by a couple, actually. A couple of people. And then there was actually a group chat of people talking about it too. So I was getting information from a group chat from one person. It was pretty funny. It was one of the screenshots was, you, you’re talking right, make sure you send this, this, and this to ’em too. So I had, I had a lot of help. And then before I put the video together, I kind of try to roadmap the thing and I say, all right, I got this piece of information, I got this one, I got this one. And I try to put it together. So it’s a neat,

Sevan Matossian (29:56):

Hey, um, if I, I’m gonna try to go to the leaderboard. If I can figure this out, what do I go to.

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