#905 – CrossFit Games Semifinals Programming Predictions

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

And bam, we’re live. Mr. Yourself. Hi. Good to see you, Mr. Friend. I did see Jr on here and then he vanished when I told him we were gonna go live. I don’t know if that threw him off, but, um, I don’t see him in the back room waiting either. Brian, I haven’t heard you say a word. I’ve been on with you for two minutes. Can you hear me? Check. Check.

Brian Friend (00:20):


Sevan Matossian (00:21):

Good. Mr. Yourself? Can you hear me?

Taylor Self (00:23):

Good to go.

Sevan Matossian (00:24):

What do you think of Brian’s shirt?

Taylor Self (00:27):

Uh, it’s a yellow shirt.

Sevan Matossian (00:29):

Yeah. Okay.

Taylor Self (00:31):

It’s cool. It’s yellow. I can’t read it. I don’t have great eyesight. What’s it say? Strike movement shirt. Oh. Oh, dude. You know, I’ve been really wanting to try the shoes. There’s a couple people at my gym that have ’em now, so it’s peaking my interest. And you said you love him. And that’s Carl Paoli, right?

Brian Friend (00:46):

I’m not sure about that, but it’s all I wear the, the Hayes trainer.

Taylor Self (00:51):

I think Carl Pa.

Sevan Matossian (00:52):

He’s fucking paid to say that.

Taylor Self (00:55):

Yeah, but if, if I’m right and it is Carl Paoli is the guy behind the shoe, then,

Sevan Matossian (00:59):

Is it really him?

Taylor Self (01:00):

I’m pretty sure. Uh, uh Can I, can we get who’s doing backend? Is anybody in the backend?

Sevan Matossian (01:05):

No. I can

Taylor Self (01:06):

Do no backend

Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Dude. No, no. Backend. I saw JR. Oh, is you don’t know if that’s true or not, Brian? The Carl Paoli thing?

Brian Friend (01:14):

Uh, no.

Sevan Matossian (01:15):

Oh, cuz that is a trusted name in the biz. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, before we get started here, you are here to hear, you are here to hear, uh, predictions, uh, from, uh, three, uh, devout Catholics. No, uh, no, uh, devout, uh, CrossFitters, uh, programmers, uh, people, uh, people who are interested in programming and watch, uh, the CrossFit games and the CrossFit space and CrossFit competitions in general and stay up to speed. And on the cutting edge. Dunno, it’s a cutting edge on the razors on some sort of edge of knowledge when it comes to what movements time, domains, equipment, uh, number of workouts, et cetera, will be used in order to qualify and then become crowned the fittest human being on planet earth. Uh, Taylor not stealing luggage tonight, huh? I’ll be, I’m

Taylor Self (02:05):

Stealing luggage in a week, bitch.

Sevan Matossian (02:07):

Oh. Oh my goodness. Do you know what that’s in reference to Brian?

Taylor Self (02:12):

Yeah. That ball tranny with lipstick.

Sevan Matossian (02:15):

Yes. He’s on the Biden administration who got, who’s in charge of nuclear, uh, waste, who got caught stealing luggage for the third time at airports. Uh, Barry MCC Conner, I appreciate you. I why don’t you change your thing from Lucas Parker to, uh, Taylor Self. Dude,

Taylor Self (02:29):

You look like you have gender dysphoria with that haircut, haircuts,

Sevan Matossian (02:32):

<laugh>. We’re not even three minutes in. That’s the best line you’re gonna have all night, and you already blew it. <laugh>. Okay, listen, people all seriousness, I want you to see this. There are levels to this shit and, uh, this promo video you’re about to see, uh, pointing at, uh, the great Emma McQuaid. Uh, if this doesn’t make you like Emma McQuaid, then I don’t know who you’re gonna like, there’s a lot of great editors and filmmakers in the space, man. And for me to see this in, uh, in, I watched it like three times already, and I just, I just ran into it. I’m, I’m have, have you guys seen this?

Taylor Self (03:08):


Sevan Matossian (03:08):

Have you seen this, Brian? It’s relatively new. Uh, this dude is a beast. Who edited this? This dude or girl? I don’t know who the person is who edited it. We’ll, we’ll go to their account in a second. Okay, here we go. Uh, Jr. What’s up brother? You good? Shaking your head. You’re pregnant. Can’t hear me.

Brian Friend (03:25):


Sevan Matossian (03:26):

Jar. Can you

Taylor Self (03:27):

Say, say something

Sevan Matossian (03:29):

Jar’s frozen. Okay. Fuck him. Okay, ready? And action.

Speaker 4 (03:39):


Brian Friend (03:39):

Test, test, test. Got

Sevan Matossian (03:41):

You shut. Whoa. No. JR

Taylor Self (03:48):

Dude, who did that?

Sevan Matossian (04:11):

Guys. Pulling out all the tricks. This dude’s good. Hey, I love it. How he pays homage to himself too. Do you see that? How, like he cut? Yeah. Dude, this dude is a beast. Yeah. That is badass editing, right? Bruce, this dude is a beast. I’m sold on Emma. Uh, the guy’s name is, uh, uh, uh, Mike Aldridge Media.

Brian Friend (04:35):

Mikey. Mikey.

Sevan Matossian (04:36):

Yeah. You know who this is? Aldridge. Do you know who he is? I,

Brian Friend (04:39):

I’ve heard, I just wanted to make sure that you read it as Mikey Aldridge instead of Mike Aldridge.

Speaker 4 (04:44):


Sevan Matossian (04:46):

Oh, Brian, let me get away with something. Uh, he’s a foreigner. He’s a fucking foreigner. You

Taylor Self (04:52):

Sound like a South Park redneck. He’s

Sevan Matossian (04:54):

A fuller, he’s a foreigner dude. Uh, I clicked on some other shit on here too. This dude’s, uh, this dude can do it clean. I mean, this is, this guy is his timing and

Speaker 4 (05:11):


Sevan Matossian (05:11):

Is a special cat. Hey, I don’t mean to, uh, fuck it up for you too, Emma. Cuz this dude only has, uh, like no one’s riding this dude’s jock yet, but someone’s gonna get him. Man, this dude is good. You Do you know him? Uh, have you seen him around? Brian? You know who that is?

Brian Friend (05:26):

Hmm. Not sure. I wonder if he’s getting immediate credential.

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

No. Probably he needs to.

Taylor Self (05:33):

He’s up there with Rick and that guy from proven, I forget his name.

Sevan Matossian (05:36):

Uh, Savon. You heard of B Friendly Fitness yet? L F G. Let’s fucking go. Hell yeah, I have. Uh, but he didn’t do an article on today’s show. So, uh,

Brian Friend (05:45):

Actually we did do one. Oh, but it’s, it’s coming out tomorrow.

Sevan Matossian (05:48):

Oh, there you go.

Brian Friend (05:49):

We want you to suffer through it first.

Sevan Matossian (05:52):

Fine. Understood. Hey, I, uh, listened to, uh, several podcasts. Uh, I don’t know if were podcast, but, um, I listened to,

Brian Friend (05:59):

Actually, JR. And Taylor and I collaborated on the article. We all contributed to it.

Sevan Matossian (06:03):

Seriously? Do they know they contributed <laugh>?

Brian Friend (06:05):

Yep. <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (06:08):

You could have just, you could have just plagiarized the website that it will be showing up on is, uh, where is it? Do I see it? Oh, here. It, it’s, um, it is, I’ll give you guys a quick screenshot of it here. Uh, b is that beef? Go ahead.

Taylor Self (06:23):

Go ahead. No, no. I was gonna, I was gonna ask if Will’s comment is, is real. Can, can you not get into events to record this year at semi-finals?

Brian Friend (06:31):

They have pretty strict rules in place.

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

Oh, shit. You have a disc golf tab.

Brian Friend (06:37):

Yes. Under construction. <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (06:40):

You’re a

Brian Friend (06:40):

Beast. That’s sick.

Sevan Matossian (06:42):

Uh, be friendly fitness.com. Tomorrow there’ll be an article, uh, after Brian, uh, JR. And Taylor and myself school Brian. He’ll be, um, taking those notes from today’s show and condensing them down into a piece of written material. You’d be stealing our shit. Uh, there’s, so that’s the one piece of house cleaning. I wanted to do the deadline. Maybe

Brian Friend (07:01):

I, maybe I will add a section at the end. Savons, uh, expectations for fl.

Sevan Matossian (07:06):

Yes, that would be great. The tab. Um, and, uh, so I wanna do a little house cleaning. We are going to be talking about the semi-final workouts, uh, here very shortly. There’s one other piece of house cleaning I wanted to do in regards to something Brian and I spoke about this morning. And it’s about Zach George. And, uh, there was just some criticism and some thoughts about him being on a team and then not being on a team. And I wanna point something out to you. And it’s this, this is a baby.

Taylor Self (07:38):

Okay? It doesn’t matter.

Sevan Matossian (07:40):

And he, and he has a fucking baby to take care of. So you can take your team shit, cry baby shit, and eat a dick. I’m assuming that the guy needs to make a buck and, uh, he’s doing what’s best for his family.

Taylor Self (07:51):

Is that even his baby?

Sevan Matossian (07:53):

Fair enough? <laugh>? I don’t know, but I’m just telling you that, uh, once you got that, I, it’s all I’m, um, uh, I, I know Sporty Beth was upset at him or whoever his teammate was, but, um, I’m, I’m cutting him some slack.

Taylor Self (08:10):

Look at the end of the day. Yeah. <laugh>, is that a baby or is it me? Uh, I agree. I mean, if he’s got a kid, he’s gotta take care of his kid. But he did it in a terrible way. No notice three days. Fuck that. Come on. I never,

Sevan Matossian (08:24):

Shit happens. It’s, uh, it, I, I don’t, and, and who knows when they, when they told him. And, and do you have any insights? Brian? You have insights. Can you talk? I know you know, Steph, are you allowed to talk about what you know?

Brian Friend (08:36):

No, but I was just thinking about if, you know, if you have to a answer to someone, you’re gonna answer to the probably the mother of your child’s over the teammate and you just deal with the teammates being frustrated.

Sevan Matossian (08:48):

Yeah, I have a fr I, I have a dear friend who I love having on the show who has to ask his wife before he comes on. And he admitted it the other day on the thread with a shitload us on there. <laugh>, I don’t wanna say any names, but, um, it’s not even his wife yet. Fi or no? Yeah, fiance. Okay. Enough of that. Um, so to set the stage, we are going, uh, there will be how many semi-finals and will they all be the, um, same workouts and uh, when do they go down? Do

Brian Friend (09:18):

You get the text message I sent you like five minutes ago, by the way?

Sevan Matossian (09:22):

Oh, it with, it says image attached. Yeah. Oh yeah. Here we go. Yeah, I see it.

Brian Friend (09:27):

Do you see Barry updated his, uh, profile picture?

Sevan Matossian (09:31):


Taylor Self (09:31):

Oh shit.

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

Um, congrats on the engagement. Taylor <laugh>. Oh yeah, that guy who has a fiance. That’s good. Yeah, that’s great. Jesus Christ. Hey, you definitely had a hemorrhoid when you released that air outta your mouth right there.

Taylor Self (09:47):

Dude, you know what happened? One time I took a huge shit before I had rowing intervals and then I went and did rowing intervals and I got one of the biggest hemorrhoids you would not ever believe, dude. It was like a golf

Sevan Matossian (09:55):

Ball. Wait a second. What do you, what do you think the shit is? The just shitting is in relationship to the hemorrhoid? Well,

Taylor Self (10:01):

I, I was probably pushing hard cuz I was like, gonna go do a workout right next. Oh. And then it was like 40 minutes sitting on the rower and I had to get it cut off my asshole.


Yeah. So, and this was, listen, this was in 2018 right before Granite Games. So I went in and I told the, the, the like anal surgeon, whatever you call those guys. And I was like, dude, I’ve got, I’m in the middle of this qualifier and I have a workout to do on Wednesday and I have to do it and what’s the best course of action? Leave it or cut it off. He’s like, dude, you’re not, you can’t do that workout. I was like, I’m doing it. He’s like, we’ll probably just cut it off then. <laugh>. So I did

Sevan Matossian (10:40):

This. Aren’t you afraid someone’s gonna cancel you talking about those types of things on this show?

Taylor Self (10:44):

No. Oh, so I had, I had, the workout was three six. I bet if Colton’s listening, he’ll remember this workout from 2018

Sevan Matossian (10:51):

Games. Oh, I thought you were gonna say if Colton’s listening, he’s also had hemorrhoids cut off.

Taylor Self (10:54):

No, no. He’ll remember this workout. He won it. He annihilated it, but it was 3 6 9 12 9 6 3 hang squat cleans 1 35 and bar racing burpees. And I did this whole workout with like a pound of gauze in between my ass cheeks. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (11:10):

Uh, ladies and gentlemen, although it may sound funny, this is a real issue for men.

Brian Friend (11:16):

Dude, <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (11:17):

Hemorroids are a common problem with elite level men athletes in the CrossFit world. This is something we need to talk about. We should have hemorrhoid month men’s hemorrhoid awareness month. Uh, Brian, what’s this picture about? You sent me, it’s, uh, the twen 2023 open and then the quarterfinals. What is this?

Brian Friend (11:37):

Well, you said you wanted to kind of set the stage for the semi-finals. Okay, so this is, uh, table that we put together that just kind of simplifies what we’ve already seen up to this point in the season. Oh. So we can kind of narrow in on what we are missing and what we’re expecting to see in the next stage of the season, which is also the last qualifier before the games.

Sevan Matossian (11:58):

Okay. Uh, fair, fair enough. Um, before, before I, and I like this, this is, this is gonna be great. We’ll, we’ll get to this in one second. Um, can you tell me, uh, so, so just someone gimme a layout of where we’re at in the, uh, in the season, what we’re doing, what, what, what, what’s coming up? Tell me about these semi-finals.

Brian Friend (12:17):

Well, the openness happened, the quarter finals have happened. There are 300 men and 300 women remaining in the eligible competition to try to qualify for the CrossFit games. There will be seven semi-finals. They start on May. The first week starts May 18th, and the last one ends on June 4th. And at that point we will know all the qualifiers to the games.

Sevan Matossian (12:40):

So it’s, uh, three, three weeks, uh, for seven events. So basically, uh, uh, a 3 22, um,

Brian Friend (12:47):

2 3 2 2, 3, 2

Sevan Matossian (12:48):

Combo. And, um, one of the things that was interesting about this is some of the people will, some of the athletes, although the workouts are the same, some of the athletes will do the workouts over four days. Some of the athletes will do the workouts over three days. Is that No. Okay. Helping brother out. Why, why am I thinking that? Why, why

Taylor Self (13:04):

The North America, west, east and Europe have a deeper field. And so they’re gonna spread the teams out. They’re not gonna spread the teams out over three days, but they’ll run like the teams the first three days. So like, say Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and then individuals will go Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I is what my understanding is, Brian?

Sevan Matossian (13:22):

Yep. Okay. So they’ll all have three days and they’ll all do the workouts in the same order. Do we know how do we know how many workouts there are?

Brian Friend (13:29):

No, not yet. We’re not gonna speculate tonight.

Sevan Matossian (13:31):

Okay. And, uh, so I like that. Uh, 600 athletes left, uh, seven competitions. And then from there, um, they’re uh, 40 and 40. Correct. 44. 40 teams. 40 individuals, man. 40, uh, individual women,

Brian Friend (13:45):

38 teams. We’re not focusing on the team programming tonight. We’re just focusing on individual. And there will be 40 and 40. Correct.

Sevan Matossian (13:53):

Okay. Uh, fantastic.

Taylor Self (13:55):

And no last chance.

Sevan Matossian (13:57):

Okay. So this, this is huge. Uh, this, this is huge. This is, uh, most of the people who, who participate in the games at the highest level, um, this is it for them. They’re done.

Brian Friend (14:08):


Sevan Matossian (14:09):

Uh, the most of the people who participate Yes. Yep. At at this level. This is it for them. They’re gonna go home. Only a few are gonna, uh, uh, correct. Move on. Okay. So this is huge. Okay. Uh, couple things. Uh, the big picture things I want to, uh, talk about real quick, um, before we get into like, actual movements and whatnot. And by the way, it, it really fucked me up cause I listened to Bill and, um, Chase’s podcast, uh, before I came on. And theirs is so fucking organized. They basically lay out the workouts, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, what they think they’re gonna be. And Chase alone brings more energy than all three of you boneheads together. And so does Bill. So that was no way, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Singlehandedly each of ’em. It has more energy than all three of you fuckers combined. So I, that threw me for the, okay. Does

Taylor Self (14:51):

He talk about his hemorrhoids?

Sevan Matossian (14:53):

No. Okay. Well, <laugh>, I keep getting beat up on my own podcast.

JR Howell (14:58):

Is he missing a central incisor? <laugh>? I guarantee you he is not. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (15:05):

Oh my. Is that why the lights are dim? Oh, that’s incredible. JR

Taylor Self (15:10):

Spelled his name like Mike Tyson pronounced

Sevan Matossian (15:13):

It <laugh> Crawford <laugh>. Oh my god. Brian was check making my ass all over the place this morning. Now I’m getting fucked up again. Okay. A couple big

JR Howell (15:25):

Picture. Fine. I just, I just did this. I just stalled because I was nervous.

Sevan Matossian (15:28):

Okay, fine. Well, your picture looks great now. Um, uh, and, and we and I, we can’t see into your mouth, so, so far you’re lucky. Okay. Uh, couple big picture things I wanna ask you guys. Uh, before we get into the actual like, implements and movements and what you guys think some of the programming will be, uh, what’s the distinction, distinction between, um, Adrian Bosman programming and Dave programming? Is there, if there were some big picture distinctions between these two guys that you guys would like to, uh, wax, uh, poetically about, um, what would they be? Uh, go ahead. Uh, Mr. Uh, self,

Taylor Self (15:58):

Uh, I, the one that comes to mind with most immediacy, well, I guess are two things. One, and I think there’s, well Boz talks about this all the time, but like, minimum effective dose. I think Boz is a huge proponent of like, doing the most with the least. And Dave has this military background where in the military they just fucking hammer you and hammer you and hammer you. And it’s, you know, the historically some of Dave’s workouts have had, you know, gnarly amounts of volume in them. And to this point, um, it, that doesn’t seem to be the case with BO’S volume. So I think that’s one, one key difference in my opinion.

Sevan Matossian (16:41):

And I was just watching, uh, one of their podcasts, uh, him and, um, um, uh, Mr. Wood. Yeah, Mr. Wood, um, very not random where, uh, a, uh, Adrian actually spoke about that. He basically, they were talking about how, hey, you can just do.com, you can just do Helen, you can just have minimal equipment and still be, uh, achieve elite level fitness. So I like that. Uh, Brian, uh, any any major distinctions that you think are important to point out between the guy who’s been doing it the previous 15 or 16 years and the guy who’s now doing it, uh, for the second year?

Brian Friend (17:14):

I mean, there’s obviously, you know, like specific things that you could point to, but I I, I think about what you just said as being extremely relevant is that Dave had 15 years to paint the picture. Mm-hmm. And Boz is just starting to drip paint on a canvas, so he might not really know where his mind is at and, and who knows if he’ll have the same breath of time and opportunity to do that, that Dave did. But, you know, especially kind of in light of what Dave talked about the other day of having this continuity across the entire company when it comes to programming, that was something that we saw throughout the air that Dave programmed, is that things that would show up at the games would trickle back down through the season. Things that showed up on.com would show up at the games or in the open.


And there were these, you know, these kind of, uh, opportunities to look for patterns. And when it comes to Adrian’s progra programming, we have so little right now that we, you know, relatively speaking that the patterns might not be as obvious to see. And so that’s why I sh I think I show like tonight is kind of fun because as, uh, you know, JR Will Pro will probably talk about is we’ve seen a little bit more of Adrian than some people realize. And we might actually have some hints that can help us potentially predict what is to come either in the semi-finals or the games.

Sevan Matossian (18:26):

Oh, was that just like a generic statement when you said, um, Adrian hasn’t had time to, to, uh, to, to paint a full canvas yet, or as many, as much time on, uh, with the brush as Dave? Or are you actually hinting at the fact that with Dave’s new role in involved in just CrossFit’s umbrella programming that, uh, Adrian won’t get the chance?

Brian Friend (18:45):

I, I think we don’t really know that. Okay. That question, but, you know, I think

Sevan Matossian (18:49):

It’s, you’re just saying just based on time, this is only a second year. Yeah.

Brian Friend (18:52):

And it’s, you know, it’s, it’s really nice sometimes to look at the totality of the programming. So, you know, Sean, when let Woodman talks about this, sometimes it’s like once you see the open and the quarter finals and Santa of us in the games, then you can really address the programming for the season in the same way that the programmer had the opportunity to envision it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And we haven’t actually seen him carry that through beginning to end. And, um, obviously we saw Dave do it many times.

Sevan Matossian (19:16):

Uh, uh, uh, fair, uh, I hope we get shuttle runs and torque tank couplet, uh, Steven Flores, $2 <laugh>,

Taylor Self (19:23):

The four tanks not gonna come.

Sevan Matossian (19:26):

Uh, Mr. Howell, uh, the great Adrian Bosman, no short of experience, understanding of the methodology, um, uh, years put in and, um, versus, uh, the Great Dave Castro. Uh, thoughts on what, what, what, what the differences are?

JR Howell (19:43):

Yeah, two big thoughts. One being, um, toward the later years of Dave’s tenure, it felt like, um, it was more of a what can you endure as an athlete? How much can you take? And Bo’s program so far seems to be how well can you execute? Um, that’s kind of like a really easy distinction I try to make between the two of them. But the, the big thing I’ve seen in the last couple years, and we’ll get to it, 2021 was the first time, um, Boz was actually in charge of the programming at one stage. That was actually the quarter finals. 2021 was were all his, so 20, 21, 22, and 23 have all been his quarter finals tests. Um, and one thing that he spoke about on a couple of the run the test videos, for people that haven’t seen those on YouTube, they’re actually like gold. Like he talks a lot about his programming methodology and about what, how he, how he views fitness in a lot of ways. And one thing that really stood out to me is that he’s trying to get everyone to think about fitness a little bit more broadly and not so sport specific. Like, it’s not about, it’s not about, um,


What is the test going to be? How is the movement going to be tested? It’s how can I do this movement and as many, as many ways as possible so that no matter how it’s tested, I’m ready for it. And that’s the best way I can describe it. It’s a little bit more about what can I do today that’s gonna get me better at this one thing, and then also still carry over to other things. So staying in that second wave adaptation that we’ve all been in before, where we, we do, we, we snatch every week and we pr every week and then we stop. But then when we start doing handstand work and hand balancing, we come back to our snatch and it’s gone up, but we haven’t been working in our snatch because there’s a lot of carryover between movements. And he’s pushing people, he’s pushing the community at large to do that more. Hey, this jump rope isn’t just the thing you do double unders with dude, like, do other things with it. Hey, you see, um, the wall over there, you don’t just kick upside down with your back against the wall and go up and down. You need to be facing the wall. You need to be on top of things. You need to have no wall. You need to do all that stuff. So I think that’s the, the, the biggest thing that stood out to me.

Sevan Matossian (22:08):

Um, uh, Taylor, he said, um, one of the things he described there, which I really liked what JR just said is, uh, Dave may have been a little heavier on the endure side and, uh, Boz might be a little heavier on the execute side side. Uh, when choosing a lover, do you prefer one that wants to test your endurance or your execution?

Taylor Self (22:27):

<laugh>? Uh, I’m gonna answer this in terms of programming, not

Sevan Matossian (22:33):

Lover <laugh>. I <laugh> Oh my goodness. Imagine if your lover was just really good at fucking testing your endurance. I like, I

Taylor Self (22:42):


Sevan Matossian (22:42):

Both. Okay,

Taylor Self (22:43):

Fine. I like, I’m partial to, I’m not partial to either. I like both. Okay. I like, I like the execution aspect of the one rep lift, especially in 2021. Was it like the snatch at semi-finals you had a 22nd window? I, I like the execution of that. Um, you know, that’s a little bit different than a workout format that’s highly dependent on execution. Um, but then I also like events where you have to endure. I think they should both be tested. I don’t think it’s one or the other. I, I like both

Sevan Matossian (23:15):

And, and, and, and, and fairness to, to both of them also. When, when I see the, when I see hear Jr talk about that, I imagine execution on one side and endurance on their side. And I’m imagine just small adjustments back and forth to the left, leaning back and forth to left. I don’t imagine just like, uh, these, these massive swings, although al although you, you know, the half marathon on the rower is pretty, um,

Taylor Self (23:37):

Well there might be massive swings. Like you think about a work workout, like someone put in the chat earlier at Atlanta, which was with a weight vest, one mile run, 100 handstand pushups, 200 pistol squaws, 300 pullups, one mile run, insane amount of volume and load with the vest. And then you think about a workout like hat trick at the games or the crossover single under or the crossover single under unbroken legless pegboard event. Like those are so biased towards execution and Alan is so biased towards endurance or volume. Um, so there are some some big swings.

Sevan Matossian (24:11):

Yeah, I I was actually think as you said that I was thinking about that. I wonder what’s more of a swing in terms of endurance, the hachen this, um, this, this pegboard uh, double under crossover, um, press to handstand off the ettes. Are, are those both like equally, um, off in those directions, biased in those directions?

JR Howell (24:31):

Yeah, I would say those are probably like at the

Sevan Matossian (24:33):


Taylor Self (24:34):

The far ends, the margins. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (24:37):

Uh, do, um, uh, here we go. Uh, next question. Uh, do um, do locations like Africa South America limit the scope of the test, uh, based on the implements that are available when you guys are thinking about what’s gonna be in the semi-finals and will there be exceptions? Do you think that maybe one when actually showtime comes, we’re gonna see that actually Africa has a couple workouts that are different because uh, they weren’t able to get informations

Taylor Self (25:02):

There. Can you, can you repeat the first part of that? Af

Sevan Matossian (25:04):

Ba basically I’m suggesting that there may be some equipment they can’t get to, uh, Africa

Taylor Self (25:09):

Logistical issues.

Sevan Matossian (25:10):

Right. And will they, let’s say they wanted, um, God, I always forget the name of this thing. What’s that thing that you walk around with the rest on your shoulders?

Brian Friend (25:17):

A yolk?

Sevan Matossian (25:18):

The yolk, let’s say they wanna put yolk in there and they can get it into six of the seven. Do you think that they just scrap it if they can’t get it to Africa or they say, fuck it, Africa’s not doing the yolk. They’ll do farmer carry.

Brian Friend (25:29):

I mean I’ve, uh, JR and I have had this conversation le less than a week ago, I would say, and we were kind of brainstorming some ideas and you know, if you start thinking about Yo Yoka is a great example, a handstand walk obstacle course, maybe a specific type of bike, a rower or AirRunner or something like that. Those are the types of things that

Sevan Matossian (25:47):

Even air runners, how you think they could be limited in Africa. Okay. Fair. I didn’t even think of that.

Brian Friend (25:51):

Yeah, I mean if you’re, you know, we don’t even know what size heats they’re planning to run in some of these hur

Sevan Matossian (25:56):

Hurdling homeless people in the streets high on fentanyl. Like if you have to run outside, they probably don’t have that in Africa. Do

Taylor Self (26:01):

They have fentanyl in Africa?

Sevan Matossian (26:02):

<laugh>? No, I don’t know.

Brian Friend (26:03):

And you know,

Sevan Matossian (26:04):

Tell that in the states,

Brian Friend (26:05):

You know, some people will remember when there was a, an issue getting equipment to South America’s regional or some, you know, back in 2018 and then they had to make it a caveat to that event. But you’re, I think you’re specifically asking if they know that they can’t get something there, will they just not program it? And my 10, my leaning is Yeah. Is yeah, they probably won’t program it if they can’t do it at all. Seven.

JR Howell (26:28):

I think it depends, like if it’s um, if that, if, if the African semi-final is using the brand Rebel as their fan bike provider and it’s fairly similar to an Echo bike, I don’t think they’re not gonna program an bike workout. I think they’ll use that if they have a different brand handstand walk obstacle, but the dimensions are still the same on the ramp and the stairs, I think they’ll still use that. Um, but again, I think there’s levels to it. You know, like someone would argue that, well in Brazil they did push press instead of bench press, but it didn’t affect the leaderboard just because they didn’t do Linda as written because all of them took the same test. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But part of the fun in having uniform programming is being able to compare cross region. Yeah. And if you can’t do that at least really similarly, like an AirRunner versus a rogue Woodway runner, then it’s, it, you know, it is difficult to say, oh yeah, Keelan Henry would’ve actually finished 30 over 30th overall in the world on that workout because he used an assault bike and not an Echo bike.


Like, I don’t think you can just automatically say that

Sevan Matossian (27:31):

I, I I personally think that if it’s just one, um, region and just one or two workouts that they have to change, that they’ll do it. That they’ll, that, that, especially if it’s Africa that I personally think that, and it doesn’t bother me at all. Um, does it bother any of you guys if they changed it for Africa? Depends on the change. Couple of workouts. Right. Okay. Fair enough. I’m coaching someone competing there. Fair enough. Uh, has, um, uh, so you do you have a, you have an athlete who’s going, you have, how many athletes do you have going to the, um, semi-finals Taylor? Eight. Eight. And, uh, Jr do you have anything from your gym?

JR Howell (28:03):

Uh, yeah, two teams will be in Orlando.

Sevan Matossian (28:06):

Wow. Okay. Uh, so, so that’s in, in all, all the, all the athletes on those teams go to your gym jr.

JR Howell (28:12):


Sevan Matossian (28:13):

Crazy. Oh, my favorite guest, uh, uh, Lu Luis Lemos. Nice to see you brother. Nice to see you. 50 American dollars. Thank you. Um, how about Dave’s new role? Uh, is this, will this influence, uh, semi-finals at all or you think that’s all, everything’s in the bag already with semi-finals? Well,

Brian Friend (28:33):

I don’t, I don’t think that any, you know, major, I think semi-finals programming has been done for a couple months or damn near close to done for a couple months already. And the only thing that I think he could potentially have an influence on at this point in the, in the process, if anything, would be on like the, the way that workouts look or flow on the floor, not the overall test, like tests or, you know, that’s written.

Sevan Matossian (28:57):

Okay. Uh, anyone else have any thoughts on that?

JR Howell (29:02):

Yeah, I tend to agree with Brian. I don’t think he’s gonna come in and try to change anything. I, I don’t think he could or, or would want to at this point.

Sevan Matossian (29:10):

Uh, uh, uh, more, a more political question along that same lines is, uh, do you think C CrossFit’s relationship with Rogue has changed with Dave’s position changing and that affects the equipment at all?

Taylor Self (29:28):

What’s Dave’s relationship and what’s Bo’s relationship?

Sevan Matossian (29:31):

Yeah, it’s a good, it’s a, it’s a good question. Do you have an answer? No, I don’t have an answer. I don’t know. But today, as I was, um, for three hours fiddling around in my garage pretending to work out and listening to different podcasts, I thought of that. I was like, Dave had a very, very close relationship with, uh, bill and Katie. And so if he had an idea for a piece of equipment or to do something, uh, they were on the quick speed dial. Right. And I don’t, and I don’t know what the, I don’t know what the, um, I don’t know what, how that relationship’s been influenced with Dave coming out of that position. Well, think about the op.

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