#903 – Live Call In | I Am Light & Acceptance

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Pam, we’re live. Good morning, Barry. Good morning, Bruce. Good morning, Fergie. Good morning, Eric. Good morning, Phillip. Good morning. Good morning. California hormones. Good morning. Paper Street, coffee.


Good morning, Trish. Good morning, Chris. It’s like that show romper room, like saying good morning to all of you guys. Paul, Elena, good morning. Good morning, Fergie. Good morning, Tyler. Good morning. Eaton Beaver. Good morning, Bruce. Wayne. Hi. Good morning again. Travis b Vindicate. Get your c e o shirt. God, more and more CEO shirts. I, I’m, uh, seeing them on, um, Instagram. Uh, I may look different to you today because I, um, I have this, uh, ring light and, uh, Hillary had told me off air that it, it actually doesn’t do anything. Like he’s, he’s seen it when I, um, he’s talked to me when it’s on, and he is talked to me when it’s off. And, uh, he’s like, Hey, dude, there’s no difference. So I just turned it up, like full blast. I don’t know, full blast might not be the right word, but I, I cranked it up and, uh, I, I think I look different a, a brighter, um, so there we go.


Wow. I’m looking at the, uh, the Chevon podcast cell phone. It’s like crazy how many messages and, um, and texts actually come in. I’ve never looked at these. Uh, wow. Okay. It’s interesting. Uh, here’s one se I don’t comment ever, but I saved the live calling number. Uh, are you podcasting at all this week? Oh, that, this must have been old. This must be from the YouTube when we were off of YouTube. Oh, crazy. Um, we love hearing from you, se Okay. Thank you. Mm. I dmd you savon with a workout. All right. Well, thank you. Yeah, there’s shitloads of texts on here.


Okay. I have to check this more often or not. Uh, good morning. I have, uh, shared the phone number, the live calling phone number with ma homie, uh, Mr. Greg Glassman. So he may be, uh, coming on today. I know there were two SCO shows scheduled this morning. Um, that was just, uh, an error on our part. I think one of them got, uh, pulled down, uh, 44 today. Se looking forward to a good show. Good morning, uh, Patrick Anderson. Happy birthday, dude. 44. That’s good. Solid age. Solid, solid age. Uh, sir, will wa Sierra Wall, tried to watch the disc golf today, but couldn’t really, uh, see it in action. You know, I think that it would look, uh, crazy better if, uh, we didn’t do that show live, cuz when we do it live, um, that’s when we, we get all that stuttering on the, uh, on the video.


Jordan Gravatt, uh, tattooed Media. Hey, good morning, Jordan. Good to see you, dude. Uh, Jordan and I worked at, um, CrossFit for many, many, many, many, many years together in the media department. Crazy. Good to see you, dude. Uh, Jody Lynn. Good morning. The Burpee dude. Boy. Na Diaz Boy. Na Diaz. Good morning, Barry Macer. Or we can remove disc golf altogether. No issue here. God, you’re so easy. You’re so all ev all you are so easy. You would willing to give up the great Frisbee golf show. How kind of you Oh, yeah. That would make the show better.


Uh, Jeff throw, uh, Cardona, uh, um, he, he uses bad words like my little kid. What’s up dick? Bitches like, you can, that, that doesn’t work. What are you for Dick Bitches. What’s up dick bitches? It’s okay. Uh, using, uh, profanity as an art and there’s no shame in, uh, at 62 not having mastered the art like me. Um, you should replace it with pro tag. Hey, it’s whatever, uh, Brian wants. Listen, it’s whatever Brian wants. No, my kid, my kids don’t. Oh, I haven’t heard my kids say Dick bitches, but I, I wouldn’t be surprised if I did. Um, hear them. There it is. Now the show can start. Here we go. Savon. Looking good this morning. David Weed. Hi, how are you? Good morning. You wanna play that game? Hi David. You wanna play that game, huh? I, um, uh, I, uh, yeah. You wanna play that game, huh? Here we go. How about this? We start the show with this, this morning. This is a, um, candid in the wild, uh, video of a, uh, man who is, uh, experiencing Dylan Mulvaney for the first time. Here we go. Action.

Speaker 2 (05:06):

You ready for me? Great. I’m Dylan Mulvaney. My pronouns are she. They,

Sevan Matossian (05:13):

How about that? How about that?

Speaker 2 (05:18):

Hi there. Oh, you ready for me? Great. I’m Dylan Mulvaney. My pronouns are, she, they,

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

I do not condone violence. I do not condone violence. I don’t even know if that was violence. Savon, you were truly looking like the guy at the park who sack falls out of his shorts while doing yoga. I don’t know. I, that, that’s, uh, that is not true. Uh, SEMA Beaver, but, well, yes, please. I’d love to. Uh, jets mastered the only, uh, two sexes. Dick Bitches is excellent. Jets mastered. Jets Mastered jets mastered jets mastered. Oh, jetro got it. I knew eventually it would come to me. Jet throws mastered, uh, the only two sexes. Dick Bitches is excellent. Okay. All right. I see it. I see what you did. All right. Um, Heidi, sadly that triggered me. Uh, yeah, it is. It’s just an incredible, uh, so it it is a, I Hi there,

Speaker 2 (06:20):

You’re ready for me. Great. I’m Dylan Mulvaney. My pronouns are she. They,

Sevan Matossian (06:26):

And that’s it. Dude, that’s a crazy punch. That’s a crazy punch. I, I, I wouldn’t have thought that that would be possible to do that. He actually, he, he kind of folds that computer up a little bit anyway. Uh, some pe he, he’s triggered. He’s, he’s, he’s, uh, that’s, uh, that’s for David. That’s the, that’s for David. I thought, I thought, I thought, I thought David would like that. My goodness. Holy cow. But, but please be clear, I do not, uh, condone, uh, violence in any, uh, way. Uh, you guys know I am a huge fan of accents. A couple days ago, the last liven show we focused in on, um, some Asian accents. And, uh, those are nice. And, uh, you guys know I’m a huge fan of the, uh, English accent. Um, and some of those people, they, the, that island that’s by, um, England, what’s the other little island? The starts with an I Ireland. Sometimes you talk to those people, you can’t even understand what they’re saying. Uh, so, um, the, the an anyway, here is, um, here’s another accent that is, oh, here we go. We won’t be doing any accents. Hey, good morning.

Speaker 3 (07:46):

How are

Sevan Matossian (07:47):

You? I’m good. Do you do any accents? Greg

Speaker 3 (07:51):


Sevan Matossian (07:52):


Speaker 3 (07:52):


Sevan Matossian (07:54):

Do you do any, do you have any, like, can you do an Indian guy or a Mexican guy? You

Speaker 3 (07:58):

Know what, I think, I think I’ve nailed a, uh, a guy, a white guy of excess privileged, uh, raised in the suburbs in the seventies. Accent. I mean, I got that fucking, just hammered.

Sevan Matossian (08:13):

Fair enough. <laugh>. Fair enough, fair enough. I, um, I, when I was a little kid, I would do an,

Speaker 3 (08:20):

Like, the performing arts aren’t my thing. I got that outta system gymnastic, you know. Oh.

Sevan Matossian (08:24):

And, uh,

Speaker 3 (08:26):

I, and, uh, accents and shit. That’s just not my thing.

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

Um, do, do you like it? Did you like, uh, what, what was the guy’s name? Uh, when we were younger, he was huge. Um, something little. What was that guy’s

Speaker 3 (08:48):

Name? Rich Little.

Sevan Matossian (08:48):

Rich Little. Did you like him as a kid? All the crazy accents he could do?

Speaker 3 (08:52):

Yes. He was amazing. Amazing.

Sevan Matossian (08:56):

I, I

Speaker 3 (08:57):

Actually, my father took me to see him. Hughes had him out for an event when I was a kid. They brought him to the huge Hughes Management Club and I gotta go see Rich Little, my dad was a fan.

Sevan Matossian (09:08):

Yeah. Now they bring out, um, uh, Colin Kaepernick to speak at events like that. But when you were younger, they brought out little,

Speaker 3 (09:14):

You know what? I don’t, I don’t mind listening to him. Um, he’s not, he’s not, he’s not bothering, he’s interesting.

Sevan Matossian (09:21):

Who? Colin Kaepernick?

Speaker 3 (09:22):

Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (09:23):

Oh, he, I think he’s batshit crazy.

Speaker 3 (09:26):

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. But I, you know, but listen, I like listening to Kamala Harris. I’m like, I think I’ve heard I fucking crazy joy.

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

I, I, I guess I understand that.

Speaker 3 (09:37):

I mean, listen, I mean, you gotta ask yourself, how could someone be that obviously fucking stupid and nobody seems to notice.

Sevan Matossian (09:44):

Uh, I I think that people,

Speaker 3 (09:47):

I literacy illiteracy doesn’t make you stupid. Um, uh, uh, a lack of awareness of events doesn’t make you stupid. What she has is genuine stupidity. Listen to her on 10 diagrams. Holy cow. I, yeah, I could listen to that all day long. I, you know, I, I would be happy with her as president unless they never let her on tv. But I, I could listen to You

Sevan Matossian (10:11):

Think she has any chance of getting elected?

Speaker 3 (10:14):

Yeah, exactly. Oh, elected <laugh>. Um, yeah, I think, I think, uh, I think the Republicans put Trump up there and there’s a reasonable chance that he’ll be beaten. And I think Joe’s on his last leg.

Sevan Matossian (10:28):

Hey, um, do you think something is, I was thinking the other day that to, and maybe this is just arrogant on my part, but it’s crazy that, that people I know and love who are closely, uh, dear, dear to me and close to me, don’t, um, have even a iota of understanding of what I believe that something’s wrong with Joe. Like, I think Joe has like dementia or Alzheimer’s. Do you think that

Speaker 3 (10:50):

Yeah. You know, um,

Sevan Matossian (10:53):

I mean that seriously, I’m not, I’m not trying to take shots

Speaker 3 (10:55):

At him support. No one’s, no one’s supporting Joe and or those, I don’t think anyone really believes any shit. Um, I people, but react and take stand. It’s kinda like trying explain. People are people, people hold, uh, leftist, socialist, uh, notions. They, they hold upon something they’re otherwise lacking. And it’s kinda a fashion thing. So it’s like a, it’s like a guy that wears Hawaiian shirts. Oh, nothing but Hawaiian shirts. You’re not gonna, it’s not an intellectual thing that isn’t, that isn’t the conclusion. Someone to, it’s way they feel when they look in the mirror fucking Hawaiian shirt. What now look at, doesn’t matter if anyone else sees it or not, but the fact is, there’s a lot of people that are, I’m not an anti Hawaiian shirt, please. Hawaiian don’t. Um, but it’s, it’s a fashion thing for them. And it’s not amenable to discussion or logic or, or or reason at all. They’re not gonna go there. So Hawaiian church don’t, they’re looking pretty good. They’re looking pretty good. And so it’s a feel good thing. And it’s virtue signaling. We got a lot of names for it, but you know what? It, it’s not a, it’s not a amenable to discussion.

Sevan Matossian (12:22):

What, what do you think, um, uh, what do you think could change someone from being, uh, having this notion? And, and I hear this a lot, is just like, Hey, I just don’t like Trump. To maybe red to, to red pilling them and then getting them to think how, how, how is that a defense on what’s going on on the left?

Speaker 3 (12:40):

Well, you know, I, listen, I’m a, I’m never liked against Hillary. I had waited my whole life to vote against Hillary Clinton and I couldn’t do it cause he ran that fucking guy. And, and, and also I didn’t think he had a snowball in hell. So I wasn’t gonna throw away a vote. And, you know, I mean, I didn’t wanna vote for something I didn’t like lose. Right? Sure. And, uh, and I also thought that the notion of deep state was probably nonsense. And what I gotta learn under his, not only do we have deep state, we got deep health. How you like that, you know? And, uh, lemme give you a little background. I mean, you and I long been Howard Stern. Yes. Several decades. Past,

Sevan Matossian (13:25):

Past, no longer for me and

Speaker 3 (13:27):

Only me. There were a couple of things that would get me to change this station. And it was just pretty clear what that was. One is the scatological humor. I, something’s wrong with me. Spark and shit. Just start funny to me.

Sevan Matossian (13:41):

You don’t like poop humor fe fecal humor’s not your thing.

Speaker 3 (13:43):

I would, sly humor doesn’t, isn’t funny to me. And I don’t, I don’t, I don’t have disdain for people, but it’s like I, when people make jokes about far shit and piss, I think of faring and pissing, and it’s not, it’s not, it’s not something I enjoy. So I would change the, there’s only so much of that I can handle. Right. Fart, man, I was good for one fart gone. Or they’d say, here’s a fart, man, I’d go back to lithium or something. Right? Right. And uh, and, and the, but the other thing was Howard Stern’s most frequent guess, and that was Donald Trump. And I thought his lack of intelligence was abundantly clear. I thought his, uh, uh, oversized ego was abundantly clear. Um, I thought his inability to tell the truth about almost anything was abundantly clear. And, uh, so I, I would change the station.


So, and farting and, and any Donald Trump, and I’m gone. And now what, what is he running against the, the woman that I thought was horrible for the country? Well, you run through that first term. And if I evaluate the guy, not, not, you know, by his tweets and anyone, you know, forget the, the, the tweeting. What I was looking at is, uh, is uh, uh, uh, appointments, positions, policies. And in that sense, he was, he worked for me. And so next time he comes around, um, easy to do, you just gotta hold your nose and make that mark and lead. Right. And that requires a certain amount of sophistication, which you have to do is put your personal preferences, maybe issues of character, uh, uh, belabor the point too much. But you put those things aside. Asks good is all the, but, uh, but the positions that he’s supporting and, and, and, um, are to everything that I believe in. And that made this country great best place in the including subject of race. We could into the nonsense later, which I find to be highly unethical, racist, uh, so many problems with it. I dunno where to start, but, uh, it’s a hard thing to, to look around that and vote for somewhere. Tell you what I’d vote for. Scott Peterson over Biden right now. You know who? Yeah, the guy. So his wife and Kit, he’s sitting in, he’s sitting in prison forever. He belongs, I’d rather he be president than Joe Biden.

Sevan Matossian (16:33):

Uh, um, so, so there’s something about, uh, Trump’s uh, demeanor or posture? Uh,

Speaker 3 (16:38):

Not, not, no. It’s the fact that he, that he, he’s, he’s not very smart. Um, he’s got an outta control ego and he’s, uh, in liar. That’s, that’s what what bothers me. I’m not even impressed with his business record. But that happened long before, um, before he became president.

Sevan Matossian (17:01):

What you, what, what was the word you used? Inveterate. Inveterate life. Yeah. Inveterate. Yeah. Having a particular habit activity or interest. Oh, okay. Long established. Unlikely to change.

Speaker 3 (17:12):

Deeply ingrained in him. It’s his, it’s his natural things to tell a big fucking lie.

Sevan Matossian (17:18):

But, uh, on the other side, his appointees and the people he, he puts, uh, in power around him, um, uh, you, you, you do approve of that.

Speaker 3 (17:28):

I think his basic instincts are hostile to socialism. And I think he’s people around him that share those views.

Sevan Matossian (17:37):

Uh, I,

Speaker 3 (17:39):

I like Pompeo.

Sevan Matossian (17:41):

Right? Right.

Speaker 3 (17:42):

For instance,

Sevan Matossian (17:44):

Uh, Richard, uh, Broda, so excited to hear what Greg has to say today. Bring a broken science meeting, uh, to Nashville.

Speaker 3 (17:53):

That is, you know, let’s see how this goes. June 3rd on the ranch. Um, it feels right to me. Uh, you know, I was really impressed with the cross that came to Hillsdale College, and I’m comfortable speaking with, uh, overwhelming majority of the, of that community. We have a lot in common. And, uh, let’s see if I, you, if I don’t have any fun on the third, um, there won’t be another one. But this, this is Maria lined up. We’ve got the, the taco guy coming and, uh, know what I talk about simplified the, the message. So I think that I can explain to any man, not every man, but any man that’s probably worth talking about it sometime, my notion, any man sitting there willing to listen. Right? That’s, that’s, that’s a rare thing. But I think those people in the cross community and, um, I’m ready to present to him. And if it’s as fun as it feels in anticipation, I would do these regularly.

Sevan Matossian (18:53):

Um, that’s

Speaker 3 (18:53):

My hope. I mean, I’m really with that. I mean, it doesn’t sound at all iffy on it, but I don’t wanna promise anything and I’m not gonna schedule another one until was cool. I gotta have that, of this one. Um, those one oh ones we did and the soda tour was that way. And the soda tour was really effective. I mean, by the, by the fourth of six stops, I was being sued by the N for calling them soda.

Sevan Matossian (19:17):

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember.

Speaker 3 (19:20):

And that was a, that was a remarkably fruitful effort. They sued me, they sued me for calling him soda. And it was funny cause my attorneys were saying, well, what is he, what is he, we don’t even know what he mean by a, I explain that. That’s, but then they sued me and, and CrossFit it made, made it so that we could, uh, uh, uh, go through discovery. And what we asked for was emails between them and, and, uh, between the nsda and soda. And they said, that’re we some. And the judge says, okay, we’ve just, the, the federal case. And so what we’re gonna do now is, uh, have a forensic examination of your servers. And it turns out not only was it lie that they didn’t have correspondence soda, but there I think it 0.3 million, uh, points of interaction with them, including, including the n asking their friends at Gatorade to the Pepsi lawyers on these assholes. And so, and so that was a one of the great all time legal blunders. They ended up dropping the case by way, um, of the 0.2 million emails. But, uh, I don’t, where, where am I going?

Sevan Matossian (20:40):

I I, I do wanna say this to anyone who’s listening. He, the difference between when Greg talks and then when someone who’s woke talks is when someone who woke talks, you don’t un you’re just finding one thing to hold onto. Greg just told the story that was so dense with information and there’s so much shit to unpack. There’s one really fucking crazy component in that story that always blows me away and lemme see if I can repeat it. Um, Greg basically was, uh, they were in a law. N S C A and CrossFit weren’t a lawsuit already. And when Greg called them soda horse, they, and, and that was a federal case or a state case, Greg.

Speaker 3 (21:13):

Um, they sued me in the, in California, we were in federal court in San Diego. We ended state court in San Diego. And they made this crazy assumption that the federal judge wouldn’t have any awareness of what was happening in the state case and vice versa. Boy, that played out exactly wrong. And so they had been, uh, judged in an inference by the federal judge as being per named by name, said that the conduct was the most egregious she’d seen years on the bench. Then we got to the state court and they started lying again. And it quickly was revealed that one of the people being deposed in the state case admitted to lying in the federal case. And so she is on her next appearance pronounced them per, and that, which is incredible. I mean, that’s a, that’s a claim by a federal judge of, of felonious behavior. And, uh, uh, but, but anyway, that was a blunder. I don’t even know why we were talking about

Sevan Matossian (22:12):

That. W w what’s crazy about that case is they, there’s tons of things, but they, Greg sued them. They thought that they would fucking, uh, get tough and puffy chested and sued Greg and Russ Green. And basically the testimony started conflicting. And they, in one, in one of the cases, they said that certain things didn’t exist, and yet they actually presented them in other cases, document, in the other case the documents. And at that point, the two judges spoke and Greg’s lawyer had put it together and the whole thing unraveled for them. Right? I mean, they

Speaker 3 (22:41):

Spoke, spoke or their, or their clerk spoke, or they were following by interest. We were never the mechanism of, of realization. But it was made clear when we to court that she knew that, uh, I think it was, that their head of, uh, certification admitted in the state court having lied to her in the federal case, right around the coron. And so, yeah. And, and what was interesting there is they dropped the case as they could. Um, the email showed up Ater, they’re the ones who did the forensic evaluation. And, uh, uh, how did we learn of the, of the case being dropped? We learned from Davis, a Clinton attorney, Clinton Foundation attorney scumbag, someone from, from one of the magazine manure in a suit.

Sevan Matossian (23:34):

Yes. Slds, right, right. Like horse sludge in a suit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:38):

Un unbelievable lawyer. It’s, uh, just look him up. But we found out from, and he called up and he goes, I don’t represent the n c or anyone else involved in the case, but I’m friends with people in the case and we couldn’t figure out, uh, you know, why are you here? And he was here to settle the case for whom we don’t know. I think you surmise. I mean, look, look here. I’ve called them Soda horse. They sued me. They said they had no correspondence with soda. It turned out they had 1.2, 1.3 million emails. Is that, is that a few, a lot? What do you call that? They had a few million. And so the case drop, who do I hear from? An attorney that works on a cash only hundred 50,000 month basis? Look, the NCA didn’t have the money to hire this guy.


And to believe that Davis is friends with someone at, uh, at, uh, the NCA is a laughable to me. I’ve met those guys. They don’t hang out with that kind person. But so when Lany met with my attorneys in New York with my wife of Washington’s attorneys, he threatened me and he said that he didn’t think settlement was gonna be north of worth hundred million. And I was like, wow. First time we tag, but we weren’t, we weren’t looking for money. I made clear to the court, to my anyone that the rec they, we wanted, we wanted. And, uh, uh, so now I’ve got, now I’ve got an attorney of unknown origins in considerable fame trying to settle this thing. But what he said is, there’s easy way and hard way to do this thing. And my attorney, um, blare is, uh, first name Oh, said, you know, I’m a, I’m, I’m an New York Irish guy. That sounds like a threat. And, uh, and he says, oh, no, no, no, you’re a litigator. You know how it is. I go, what was it? He, I was a threat. Yeah, you were being threatened. And so I chose the hard way. And I think that played no small role in where we’re all at today, especially me, uh, of my involvement in that case. And all I got, I got a great outcome. Hey,

Sevan Matossian (26:15):

Um, the

Speaker 3 (26:15):

Ju I I, I, I found myself nudged to a position that was better than what I was able to engineer for myself and family. How, like that?

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

Yeah. That’s nice.

Speaker 3 (26:28):

I pulpit, you know, defend this thing to my last and, uh, at the point that it became clear that the community was less interested in me doing that. Um, you know, I mean, look, let’s just talk about what his said, Julie crying, telling me she gave me million with, and, and I’m,

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

I’m, I’ve gotta find that recording

Speaker 3 (26:53):


Sevan Matossian (26:54):

I’ve gotta find recording

Speaker 3 (26:57):

Was epic. Epic, wonderfully and sincere. The tears were motivated by some kinda guilt, I suspect. But who knows?

Sevan Matossian (27:07):

Hey Greg. The, the, the judge basically said, I forget what this is called, but the judge basically, um, said that, Hey, when this goes to trial, uh, the jury will not be deciding whether the NSA a is guilty or not, which is kind of unheard of. What the, the jury will be deciding is, uh, what the, uh, damages are and what the payout is. And could you explain that? And then also explain how you said, yeah, you stopped it. You’re like, no, we’re not done with the case yet. And the judge is like, you won already. And you’re like, no, we’re not done.

Speaker 3 (27:35):

I about dismiss. It’s obviously, it’s obvious they were lying and had lied. And there was all, this is all public records too, by the way. Anyone with the interest can look this shit up. And I think we may even have it on the page. Its, its a instance of scientific misconduct, grade specimen, scientific misconduct preserved in a giant jar, formaldehyde, all the world to see. It’s a wonderful, wonderful, including Dr. PhD, uh, preeminent, including evaluation. Uh, but, uh, we asked her to dismiss the case and she came back, she says, no, I’m not gonna dismiss it. We’re like, ah. She goes, here’s what I’m gonna do. In, in, uh, in adverse inference sanctions, she awarded us that they fake the study. That they lied about it, that the science was fraudulent, that they perjured themselves, that they intended to do harm, that it did do harm.


That they disseminated this material in the form of their journal across state lines, means everything we wanted to prove in front of a jury she gave to us. And this would be the jury’s instructions on the, of the trial. My attorneys go, there’s, there’s only one thing left, and that’s damages. So, so we were handed a victory without a dismissal. And, and truth is, it took us all of a half hour to realize we got something way better than a dismissal. Way better. We got something consistent with the currency of victory is white. She, she, she, she, she is a, is a pretrial inference. Sanction gave us everything I wanted to say and show about them. And all we were gonna do is go to court and figure out what they would do to pay us. And I had, if you give me 300 million, but I gotta keep my mouth shut, we lost if I get five, we, we won. And what happened with the new ownership? They, they settled in silence and secrecy. And so they lost the case by my standard. By my standard.

Sevan Matossian (29:52):

And, and, and that’s what I was referencing when I said that the judge, you weren’t, you weren’t ready to settle the case even though you won. You wanted to dig more and get more of the truth.

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