#898 – Live Call In | Don’t Play The Victim

Sevan Matossian (00:50):

How does that baby know? How does that baby know? Crazy? How does it know? How does it know Caleb? How does it know? Seems like a patriot. Okay. Alright, fine. Simple. Uh, ladies and gentlemen. It, um, you can think about the past while being in the present. You can think about the future while being in the present. It’s not a problem. Those, those aren’t in conflict of each other. Um, I can be in the present and make plans, uh, for two weeks from next Tuesday.


If you can’t, if you can’t reconcile that, then you don’t even know what presence is. And that’s a great place to start, start. I’m not taking it. I’m not, uh, that’s not a, a dig at you. Some people are. Uh, but, but it does mean you’re a simple then, which is okay also. But you have, but you gotta, you gotta work through that a little bit. You gotta cultivate more awareness to understand what presence, what presence is. You have to be able to cultivate what presence is. Presence is is when you’re aware of your thoughts. Okay? I’m going to think about that time I went to Disneyland. Intentional presence. You can think about the past and be in the present. You can make plans in the future and be in the present.


There’s something else like this too. Someone sent me to this, um, Instagram account the other day. And it, it, it’s, it’s, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a Instagram account for, uh, black women, uh, weightlifters and, um, to, to come together, which I don’t have a problem with, but, but it’s, but, but it’s got a little bit of haterade in there. A little haterade in there. You want, you want to gather these people to blame. And it’s basically, there’s some, there’s some, they’re implicit and I’m being very gentle hatred towards white people like that. They’re the source of their unhappiness. That’s the same thing as not thinking. That’s a cousin to not being able to think about the past while staying present. You will not have happiness blaming other people if you outsource your problems. If you point, if you’re constantly pointing at your problems, you will never have happiness ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.


It doesn’t matter if you’re black or white or a woman, you cannot get that, except by going inward. You cannot stop yourself. It’s indulging. It’s as bad to, to blame someone else for your problems is no different than eating cotton candy for happiness. You will have happiness in the in, in the, in the, in the, for a few, uh, fleeting moments. And then you’ll pay the price severely. You’ll hate yourself at night. You’ll be fat. You’ll start to get heart disease. That blaming is a fucking sickness. So if you’re in one of those groups, let’s say you’re in the black girl weightlifting group, you have an obligation to stand up and point at these motherfuckers and be like, Hey, at the end of the day, it’s, you.


Stop giving your power away to the fucking white person. Stop fucking doing it. You’re, you’re you, you’ve become pawns. It’s fucking embarrassing. Take your fucking thinking to the next level. Uh, I would like to show you, uh, what crazy looks like. How fucking easy it is to s to spot crazy. How fucking easy it is to spot crazy. I think this is number, uh, this is a, a, a a post from morning chalk up. Number 19. I want to show you how easy it is to spot fucking crazy. Stephen Flores. Good morning. Looks like someone pissed. And 70 <laugh>. Hey, you know what’s so funny, Stephen? So my wife is asleep and the kids are asleep and she’s probably trying to keep them asleep as long as she can. Cuz the longer they sleep, the better days they have. And she could hear me moving around the house this morning. She’s never said this. She’s never said this to me in the two years we’ve been doing the show. She said, Hey, do you need help? And I go, what’s up? She’s like, and just, something’s different about the way you’re moving around the house this morning. Mm-hmm. <laugh> <laugh>, even Steven knows someone pissed in my fucking coffee <laugh>.


Um, uh, okay, number 19, uh, never have I found social media more difficult to relate to than when I became pregnant in December. Emily Beers, uh, interesting comment. It’s kind of cool that she’s taking, she takes the responsibility for it. She’s saying, uh, never have I found. So she’s not blaming, she’s not hating on social media. And it goes on to, uh, let me read a little bit more. I’m supposed to be bursting with the excitement. They say sharing pictures of my growing baby bump each week they say. So I guess, uh, Emily’s pregnant. Um, of course, I should have put up a post a while ago announcing to the world, we are pregnant coming this fall. Uh, we can’t wait to see him. But instead of relating to other people’s pregnancies like Tia, Sammy, Kristen Holta, I didn’t know Kristen Holta was pregnant. Congratulations, Kristen.


To name a few. I feel isolated and think, well, we are not pregnant. I am pregnant, Ryan, my partner is not even a little bit pregnant, by the way. Uh, sign. If something’s wrong with you, I know people are gonna hate that, but you’re at the 50. If someone fucked you and you’re pregnant and you’re calling him your partner, uh, there’s a 51% chance something’s wrong with you. It’s not definitive. But we have our first, uh, we we got, we Houston. Houston, uh, make a note of that. There is, are they married? Who knows? Just stu. It’s just, it’s just, it’s mental. Ill talk. Un unfortunately, it’s a correlate. I’m not saying it’s a cause or an effect or anything like that. It’s just, uh, it’s just is what it is. Uh, it’s not a little bit pregnant. And, uh, and is, he’s currently drinking beer.


And I haven’t even thought about meeting my little one yet. N listen, if your fucking wife is pregnant and you can’t, and, and you sense that she’s gonna bitch about you drinking beer, you should stop drinking beer. I know that’s the opposite of everything I said at the beginning of this show. <laugh> about like throwing happiness is your, is up to you. But listen, shut the f stop fucking drinking beer then around your fucking don’t drink when your wife is pregnant. Just, just, just pull your shit together a little bit. It’s not a big deal. It’s only nine months <laugh>. And it helps you use that. But anyway, I hate to think that I’m agreeing with Emily Beers. Okay. So, so, so, so, uh, scroll down a little bit, uh, now to the co Oh yeah, please. Going into the, to the comments. And it’s just this whole thing of just, uh, Emily is a, um, uh, consistently a complainer and a drama queen.


And I don’t know if it’s part of her act or if she really is like this, but she’s from what, from the times that I’ve worked with her, she’s a, she’s not a, a pleasant person. She’s not cool. She’s not fun. She’s not easy. She’s a curmudgeon. Uhm yeah, I know that’s some pretty, that’s some name calling. But that’s, that’s how I interacted her. And she’s a, uh, she, she makes my hyperbole look like a conservativism. She’s just an exaggerator and a winery. She’s a victim. Okay, so I want you to go down and so I’m scrolling through these comments. There’s gonna be one you’re gonna see here. It says Morgan, Martin md. So keep going. There it is. And I stopped here and it says, I also hated being pregnant. Now look, look at this is the only comment I opened in this whole thing. <laugh>. I struggled with my body and have not enjoyed the recovery. And something there between the fact that she’s a doctor and that she says I hated being pregnant. Huge red flags. Huge problem. Huge problem. Does everyone see it? Does everyone feel it? So please click on her name. Morgan Martin md.


This is this, you have to understand this is the, this is, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is the, she’s a fucking plastic surgeon. First of all, I apologize to the plastic surgeons out there. They’re the worst of the worst. Think about what they do. The majority of ’em, how they make their bread and butter. I’m not talking about the ones that reconstruct your face after a burn. Don’t anyone start saying that dumb shit to me. <laugh>. Okay. She’s the shallowest of the shallowest already. Like, now we have two, two correlates of like, we have a problem. Should

Caleb Beaver (09:32):

We look at the results that’s,

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

We’re going, no. Hold on, hold on. We’re going to get Caleb. Okay. Put it in your pants buddy. <laugh>, that’s my job to perve out. You’re supposed to chill. <laugh>. Listen, this is the, this is seriously what I did. This is how I just rolled through this. It’s fucking crazy. Okay, now scroll down. You’re gonna like this, Caleb, you’re gonna like this. Well, you’re not gonna, you’re gonna think you’re gonna like it, but you’re not. <laugh>. Keep going. Keep going, keep going. She’s a fucking plastic surgeon. She hit. Okay. Now click those titties. So I click right? As soon as I saw those titties, I click no, no, sorry. Uh, yeah. Click those titties. Lemme see. <laugh> right there. Click those titties. Uh oh. No, sorry. Uh, and okay, now close that. I click that. Now click her talking. Now listen to this people, I want you to listen very carefully to this. Listen, listen. This is a fucking doctor that hated being pregnant. Now listen to this. Listen, here we go.

Speaker 3 (10:25):

Neil, just finish another brush reduction, which I love.

Sevan Matossian (10:28):

Pause. Pause. And she, she loves doing breast reductions. Strike three. You’re fucking out. But, but let’s go, let’s go, let’s go. Caleb, please.

Speaker 3 (10:41):

This patient. So I just want you to imagine if you are in your late fifties, you’ve lived your entire life with giant breasts to the point that you can’t wear normal clothes

Sevan Matossian (10:53):

By pause. Pause. Uh, um, I have giant breasts for those of you who don’t know. And I can’t wear normal clothes. I’m five five and a large barely fucking fits me. I’m so fucking thick in my fucking core. So, so I can fully, and I’m 51 and I got huge tits. Like to the point where people stare at them when I take my shirt off <laugh>, they’re fucking massive <laugh>. And my, and and I used to be able to kind of hide it cause my lats were so fucking big. But now I can’t cause I haven’t done a pull up in three months. So I, I fully relate. I fully relate. Let’s go on.

Speaker 3 (11:24):

Can’t wear really any swimsuit because all the tops just do not fit. Period. Plus

Sevan Matossian (11:29):

Pause. They’re pause. I can’t wear any T-shirts cuz they’re fucking like nightgowns. I look like a fucking three year old. Cause I’m so fucking short, but I’m so fucking broad at the top, like a fucking flying squirrel. Okay, let’s go on.

Speaker 3 (11:42):

Very uncomfortable. She also has a lot of really fun hobbies and she can’t even wear, um, all the cute costumes that she wants because guess what? None of them

Sevan Matossian (11:54):

Fit. Pause. Just fucking she k sh This doctor is justifying chopping off her tits because she can’t wear the cute costumes. This is, do you see how Emily Beers is a dog whistle for fucking mentally ill? This is a doctor. This is a doctor. Go, go to the 49ers game. This is the same person told you. Go to the 49ers game, uh, for $2 for your breast reduction surgery. Thank you, Tim. I, God, I hope I don’t go mentally ill from fucking, uh, how many mentally ill people are around me. It’s possible. Hey, that’s another reason why I don’t fucking leave the house. I don’t want, like, I’m not, I’m not interested in being influenced by this.

Mattew Souza (12:37):

You don’t wanna catch it?

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

No. This is fucking nuts. It was that easy to find. It took that whole thing. She’s the, she’s the dog whistle for fucking, uh, mental illness. Emily Beers. Is that what the right term is? Dog whistle? Like you blow it and they come. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (12:52):

Normally they could hear

Sevan Matossian (12:53):

It. <laugh>. Yeah. It’s fucking amazing. Uh, I believe he’s talking about Alison NYC is blessed. Yeah, she’s

Mattew Souza (13:03):


Sevan Matossian (13:06):

Anyway, it’s, it’s,


Listen, if, if, uh, if, if you are pregnant, and these are some go to go to just like a normal place like fit birth all. There’s women there who have husbands that drink and women who drink too much coffee. Women who wish they wouldn’t have got pregnant and, and they can help you work through that. Uh, but, but if you, if you are pregnant and you are, and you are, you have an obligation for those nine months, suck it up. Um, do your best. Fake it till you make it. You know, you ha it’s like being a professional athlete and you have a bad event. You’re pregnant. Let’s say you didn’t want to get pregnant. Suck it up for 24 hours, complain, and then fucking move on. So it’s just like that. And same with the dude. Uh, extra sloppy. I wonder what someone would talk about if he wasn’t surrounded by madness. That is California all the time. I I was thinking that too. Extra sloppy. I betcha this could turn into like a hunting show if like, I moved like, like, you know what I mean, like to Idaho, I’d get into hunting. I bet

Mattew Souza (14:05):


Sevan Matossian (14:10):

Man, it’s fucking amazing.

Mattew Souza (14:14):


Sevan Matossian (14:15):

Doctor who fucking cuts off breasts. Um, to, to, uh, so that you can fit in your clothes,

Mattew Souza (14:23):

Your, your costume of all

Sevan Matossian (14:25):

Yeah, your costume. It’s fucking unreal. <laugh>, well sub on the W h O, the C d C. And all scientific authorities disagree with what you think in your stance on the 49ers, but, uh, uh, uh, and, and all NFL teams, scientific authorities, that’s what they say. Scientific authorities. That’s a scary word. I know. How can you think that the c c is a scientific authority? Uh, excuse me. Uh, you said the sci, uh, CDC is a scientific authority. Uh, yes. I did. Sev on mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Oh, do you know about their origins? Who created them? Who donated the land that they were built on? Do you know who’s on their board?

Mattew Souza (15:00):

Misinformation. Please leave <laugh>, uh, s

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

Scientific authorities. Anytime you hear that, start tripping.

Mattew Souza (15:17):


Sevan Matossian (15:18):

I, I have, I I was, I was thinking the other day. I, I have the, um, I have friends and family around me who do the fucking craziest shit. Like, like, uh, with, uh, in terms of wearing the, the face diaper, uh, the shit they do with their kids <laugh>. And, um, I, I asked one of my, one of my other friends the day I go, what do, what do what did what, what do the other people in the outside world think about what I’m doing? I think my kids by every metric are, have turned out better than all the kids around me. Their happiness, their behavior, their capability, their kindness to others, their sophistication, their acceptance from their peers. Like what do all the other parents around me think that I’m doing? Yeah. I’m, I’m just letting my kids go barefoot and just have some rules. Don’t put your hands on the walls. They don’t have to go to the, they don’t have to go to the 49ers game. They don’t have to go to fucking esquela

Mattew Souza (16:12):


Sevan Matossian (16:13):

They don’t, what, what do they, they make eye contact

Mattew Souza (16:18):


Sevan Matossian (16:19):

I mean, it’s fucking, what do they think? It’s so trippy to me all this, like, all you have to do is just be like, Hey, I’m gonna do what he’s doing or what they’re doing. Uh, Steven Flores, quite frankly, um, uh, I don’t believe half the shit I see on the internet, even from people I like listening to believe it, to see it. Yeah. Fair enough.

Mattew Souza (16:41):

Does that mean he was you?

Sevan Matossian (16:44):

I don’t know. But I, I, I think that that’s fucking brilliant. Especially with what’s going on by the, everyone should know. You have to know this right now. There is no more authentication by voice and visual.

Mattew Souza (16:56):

Get your safe word.

Sevan Matossian (16:57):

Does everyone know what that means? Like we don’t know if that’s really Caleb right there. And we don’t know if that’s Matt.


There’s literally, there’s literally shit going on right now because of the, that the sophistication of what’s available for free on the internet where Caleb is, uh, at home and, uh, a voice calls him that sounds just like his wife and says, oh, Caleb, um, I need my social security number. I’m at the bank and I forgot it. Can you go get it for me? I don’t remember where my card is. And Caleb says, no problem honey. And he goes and finds it and gives it to her. And it’s some, it’s fucking three Indian dudes. No Indian dudes don’t do that. It’s three dudes in Africa using chat G p t in a tent.

Mattew Souza (17:42):


Sevan Matossian (17:43):

<affirmative> do not trust any voice or visual authentication anymore. But don’t they

Mattew Souza (17:49):

Only need two minutes of your voice to get it, to get all the words right.

Sevan Matossian (17:52):

I heard three seconds.

Mattew Souza (17:54):

Three seconds. That’s

Sevan Matossian (17:55):

What I heard.

Mattew Souza (17:57):

Interesting. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn’t surprise me how sophisticated it gets so quickly, but yeah, I heard if you’ve made like a handful of videos on Instagram or YouTube or anywhere your voice is recorded on the internet and talking, it’ll take that and be able to mimic it.

Sevan Matossian (18:12):

Uh, we will know it’s ai when the wire on the C C E O sign is gone. What wire? It’s

Mattew Souza (18:16):

The third comment. <laugh> already <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (18:21):

I’m gonna, I just gotta remember to <laugh>, I heard someone interviewing, um, uh, uh, Kennedy. The, the guy who’s running for president. They’re like, all the scientific authorities disagree with you. It’s like, I was like, wow. I, I know that shit works on my family. Scientific authorities.

Mattew Souza (18:41):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> works on majority of the people.

Sevan Matossian (18:43):

That’s amazing to me. Hey, just go. If you haven’t been to the doctor in a long time and you want to trip, just go to the doctor. They sent me home a pamphlet that says Cook with canola oil. Oh. Someone sent me a nasty DM saying, Hey asshole, don’t tell us not to cook with canola oil and then tell us not to cook with, cook on low fucking heat and use grass-fed butter. How about that grass fed butter? Ideally not in a, from a plastic container, but sure as fuck. Don’t use canola oil

Mattew Souza (19:19):


Sevan Matossian (19:20):

Please do not, do not do not use canola oil.

Mattew Souza (19:24):

The doctors are a trip because it’s just the amount of peop the the type of person that they see on the regular. Yeah. Is this crazy? Like just how unhealthy they are and Yes. Everything else. Yes. So when you get somebody else, like I had to go a while back, it was probably like four or five years ago, and they put the little like, you know, reader on to get your heart rate and stuff. And the nurse came over and she like stops and she looks at it and she looks up. She goes, oh wow. You’re really healthy. And she was the first one that did it cuz I had to go back a couple times. And the ones before her took it two more times because they didn’t believe that it was that low. They thought there was either something that

Sevan Matossian (19:56):

Was off. What was it? It

Mattew Souza (19:57):

Was like 47.

Sevan Matossian (19:58):


Mattew Souza (19:59):

Sitting there in the doctor’s office though. So when I sleep, when I first got my Apple watch, I was like, alright, I’m gonna sleep with this to see what it reads. And it kept alerting me and waking me up because my heart rate would drop by like 39 down to like 39 or 41. And so it kept buzzing me saying I had a a too low of a

Sevan Matossian (20:14):

Heart rate. No shit.

Mattew Souza (20:16):

Yeah. I had to turn it off.

Sevan Matossian (20:18):

Uh, Miko Saleo said when he went for his, um, uh, when he was becoming a firefighter and they checked his pulse, they actually called the paramedics and started trying to service him <laugh>

Mattew Souza (20:28):

Because they were so low. That’s crazy. Yeah, we’ve had a couple people had to do the stress test due to, um, issues trying out for the 49ers and, uh, and from the gym they, they can’t get it to stress to like get their heart rate. They have to like put the machine all the way at incline and like basically have them terminate or sprint to get their heart rate up to where it needs to be.

Sevan Matossian (20:48):

Damn. But for

Mattew Souza (20:49):

The most people, they just get in there and just get briskly walking and they just incline it a little bit and boom, their heart rate is, is high enough for them to do the stress test.

Sevan Matossian (20:57):

That’s crazy that you had 47 in the doctor’s office because even if you have a low heartbeat, just getting up out of the, when they call your name, getting out of the chair and walking over to the scale and like talking to them would give you, you know, a spike of 10. This is fucking crazy.

Mattew Souza (21:10):

It’s probably because every time I fly I have to go into my deep breathing exercises to lower my heart rate. So it’s automatically triggered now.

Sevan Matossian (21:17):

Series flexing on Savon with the heart rate. I totally agree. Oh, I didn’t, was

Mattew Souza (21:21):

Yours higher or something? <laugh>?

Sevan Matossian (21:22):

My mine was 59. Hmm. Uh, number, number two. This is a good one for you. This is a good one for you. Get your head wrapped around this. I I, I can’t wait to explain this one to my mom. I wonder if my mom is going to understand this. Um, hypertension isn’t real. This, this, this. I, I think I found my cousin like this guy. Listen to this guy talk. Listen to this guy. This guy’s fucking amazing. This is a doctor. He’s an md. I think he’s an oncologist. Here we go.

Speaker 6 (21:51):

These are like somewhere between, uh, they’re basically, uh, fantasyland. They’re, uh, Disneyland. Our minds are not, uh, are not real places. Nothing real exists in the mind. You know that, right? The mind is only thoughts and pictures. Images and words. That’s what it is. Concepts, nothing. And the mind can only operate in time. It can be about what’s in the future, what’s gonna happen, what did happen, what could happen, what should happen, what might happen, what should have happened, what could have happened, what might have happened if, and maybe all of that stuff isn’t, but that’s where we are thinking is, okay, the only thing we can’t think about is, is right now. Cuz it’s, and it’s the only thing that’s real. So the only thing that’s real can be experienced right now. You can’t think about it. And moment you think about now it’s over. You’re thinking about it in the past. So anyway, that’s the mind. Our minds are like, somewhere between

Sevan Matossian (22:36):

The problem occurs people, by the way. And it’s not a big deal cuz it’ll ha I think everyone starts off like this. I started off like, this is, there’s a point in your life where you think you are your thoughts and then there’s this, all of a sudden something happens. I think some people, this is where they get confused with the God thing. Um, that you, uh, you cultivate enough awareness to where you start being able to watch your thoughts and then all of a sudden, and so those people who think like gender is real or hypertension is real, or gravity is real. The thing that, the reason why is cuz they can’t, they’re, they’re confused between thoughts and ideas and concepts and theories that explain phenomenon as opposed to what actually is.


And so this was a doctor and he was explaining like, Hey, remember hypertension isn’t real. It’s, it’s a, it’s a, it’s an idea around certain markers. So you have like six markers, um, six uh, uh, markers. And then there it’s like a car. The idea of a car, like these are ideas we put together just for communication. And you will not, you will not navigate reality on the highest level until you are able to make, start making these kind of, these distinctions. Because what happens is then people think that they are the people who think that they are their thoughts. They get swept away by their thoughts. What’s that called? What’s that? Npc? What’s that stand for? Non playable character. Yeah, that’s what you are. You’re one of those, you’re just a, you’re in, you’re, you’re at that point. You’re just a zombie. You’re in the matrix. That’s what, so that’s what the whole point of meditation is just to cultivate enough, cultivate awareness to get out of that, to get outta that, that, uh, that loop. But this, this whole, this guy’s whole account is crazy. Well, you go to his, uh, I reached out to him to see if he’d come on. Uh, integrative oncology cancer, 35, uh, plus years as a physician. Yeah. Someone sent me this. This is this guy’s. This guy’s, uh, this guy’s good.


This guy’s really good.


Alright. Um, uh, Savon talk about unemployment. Um, oh, I, um, do you have kids? Uh, first of all that, uh, I wanna say sorry. Um, but I don’t wanna project onto you that something bad happened. How about I feel you, I I remem I remember that. Um, if you, if you don’t have kids fucking take life by the balls, they, uh, if you have kids, um, start fucking reducing your, uh, your monthly overhead as fast as you can. Uh, stay as calm as you fucking can. Uh, he, uh, Jake Chapman, he looks like se if one of his unhoused mate spat in his mouth in 1994. I know he kind of is kind of, he looks like a little, like a less crossfitted version of me. Right?

Mattew Souza (25:41):

Unemployment isn’t real. It’s called laziness.

Sevan Matossian (25:44):

Uh, call her. Hi, uh, rambler. Uh, just so you know, if you need, uh, in all honesty, if you, if you want to talk, uh, DM me or DM Susan, get get my phone number and you can call me. Just text me first cause I don’t answer my phone. And I’ll, and I’ll, I would love to talk to you. Listen or, or listen to you hear your, hear your shit. I know. It’s, it’s a trippy time losing your job. Uh, caller. Hi

Speaker 8 (26:06):

Chevy. Question for you. It’s plumber.

Sevan Matossian (26:08):

Hey, what’s up dude? Good to hear your voice. Oh, plumber. I, um, two days ago my coffee machine stopped working and I know you’re not there anymore. Yeah, but I used those little black packets you sent me of strong coffee. They’re little. Yeah. Good. Holy shit, dude.

Speaker 8 (26:22):

Yeah. So I’m still, I’m still with them. I’m just not like, um, as involved per se. Right? Like I’m more of an affiliate. So I’m just, I’m pushing the product, still talking with,

Sevan Matossian (26:32):

Well have him send me more. That shit is incredible.

Speaker 8 (26:36):

The black,

Sevan Matossian (26:37):

The little tiny little black paper packets. I cannot believe how good that coffee is. No, no. Oh yeah. No cream. Nothing. I don’t, I don’t even really like coffee, but that shit is good.

Speaker 8 (26:48):

Good. Yeah. Um, so I had a question. I wanted you to elaborate more on the, the hypertension thing. Cause like, right, like it’s having high blood pressure is real. Are you more saying that people associate with like, than they think that’s a state of like permanent.

Sevan Matossian (27:03):

There you go. So high. So high blood pressure is real. You can, it’s, it’s something you can measure and Yeah. Uh, it’s, it’s real in the sense relative to low blood pressure, right? It, once again, that’s just an idea. The a the the, the phenomenon is real. When you call it high blood pressure, you’re getting into that. Like, okay, you’re making an assessment of it. And I know some people are gonna be like, oh, so it’s not, and these are the people who don’t get it. Oh, so it’s not real, so you shouldn’t do anything to address it. No, it’s not like that.

Speaker 8 (27:33):

Yeah. Well, cause it’s right, like, like hypertension is, what is it? It’s classified as one 40 over 90. Right?

Sevan Matossian (27:39):

There you go. You just said it. Classified it, it, it’s, it’s made up. Which is okay. It doesn’t mean it’s bad. Yeah. But it’s, but it’s made up.

Speaker 8 (27:48):

Yep. Yeah. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (27:49):

Did you like, like red means, like red means stop. That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s made up. But if you can’t tell the difference between what’s just a signifier or an idea, then you’ll never get outside or around it and you’ll probably not get to the solution. Yeah. Right?

Speaker 8 (28:05):


Sevan Matossian (28:05):

And so, and so if you’re taking medicine for hypertension, you’re probably not working on the solution. If you wanna ban guns, you’re not getting, you’re not getting to the solution. If you wanna build houses for the homeless, you’re not getting the solution. If you want to take a in, uh, go to a 49ers game to prevent from dying, you’re not getting to the solution.

Speaker 8 (28:23):


Sevan Matossian (28:23):

Because you think, cause you’re confused on what’s real. You’re not getting, you’re not, you don’t have like, um, the ability to get to the root right. Of the problem. Yeah. Because you, because you believe the illusion, you’re believing the illusion the man wants you to believe or whoever someone, someone wants you to believe it.

Speaker 8 (28:40):

Well, yeah. Like, like if you take drugs to lower or like to deal with hypertension, right? You’re just like, you’re not fixing the mechanism. You’re just kinda, uh, what dampening it or softening it.

Sevan Matossian (28:52):

That too. But it’s, but it’s even crazier than that. It’s like, it’s literally like if I, those, it’s the exact same thing. Hypertension is as real as our calendar, right? Our calendar is just to help us keep shit organized based on the spinning thing. But literally the Queen of England at one point took two weeks off the calendar and the people rioted because they thought they lost two weeks of their life. <laugh>. Like, they couldn’t distinguish between the fact that it’s just a mechanism for helping you to organize versus reality. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (29:19):


Sevan Matossian (29:20):

And, but, but the thing you’re taking it is also true, but it’s different than what I’m trying to explain. I the two, two ideas there got conflated. That’s not your fault either. I’m, I’m, I’m, uh, I’m a, I’m a, a deep minus philosopher at best.

Speaker 8 (29:36):

No, I think, I think it’s, uh, it’s helping me understand more. Cause like, I think more where, like I’m thinking about it is, right, if you like classify as hypertensive hypertensive, then right? You’re more likely to, um, like die prematurely from a cardio cardiovascular event, right? Like it’s a, it’s a, it’s a check on the box, right? If you’re hypertensive, you have type two diabetes and you’re.

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