#866 – Rich Froning | Competing As An Individual

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

Bam. We’re live. Yo, no. 7:00 AM show today. Slept, slept, slept, man. I slept, I slept good. Oh, is this the right page I’m about to pull up? I think it is. Uh, a dear friend of mine, uh, sent me this today. I wanted to share it with you guys. Uh, I am not a, uh, big charity guy. I don’t believe in using my platform as a, um, as an obituary. Uh, so you, you won’t, you won’t see a lot of this from me. But this, uh, this does, uh, touch me. And, and the reason why I’m not a big charity guy is cuz I do a lot of my, uh, charity just in my daily life. I am a walking charity and lover, and I give as much as I can, and I just, I’m a humble, selfless, fucking person, as you guys all know.


But a dear friend of mine sent this to me and this story, um, I wanna share it with you. I’m compelled to share it with you. Uh, uh, this is a, um, this is a father who wanted to show his boys that a man could do anything that he sets his mind to. It was a father of three boys, five, three, and one. His name is Michael. After a regular sparring session trying to get back into the fight game to show his sons, it was possible to do anything they put their minds to, he had a headache.


His wife said he was white as a ghost. He went to the hospital for a scan. They shipped him to a level one trauma center. He lost consciousness in root and died. And I, you know, maybe it’s the three sons. Um, maybe it’s the fact that he was doing it for his sons. I’m, I’m not, I’m not sure why I’m compelled. It’s also the charity fundraiser to, uh, help this guy. Michael, uh, will be at a CrossFit gym called, um, it’s in Orlando, Florida. Let me see if I can find, it’s called, um, CrossFit Lions Den. Let’s share the screen with you guys. Here. Gimme one second. What’s up, rich? What’s up, Brian?

Rich Froning (02:19):

What’s up? Oh, Brian.

Brian Friend (02:23):

Hey, rich.

Rich Froning (02:24):

How’s it going?

Brian Friend (02:27):

Pretty good. A lot of meetings this morning. So just, uh, plugging away,

Rich Froning (02:33):

Catching up.

Sevan Matossian (02:35):

Orlando, Florida, uh, CrossFit lions den the, uh, April 7th at 11:00 AM This is the kind of thing I would take my kid to, by the way, just to show what I missed. Stop in. Oh, this dude, just for unknown reasons, passed away. He has three sons.

Rich Froning (02:52):

What, uh, April, April 7th. Is there a I got, I’m sure I missed all this and you’re just recapping it, but is there a link or something where you can participate virtually

Sevan Matossian (03:02):

There? You know, that’s a great question. I don’t, I don’t know. I literally just got this five minutes before I went on. Okay. And it was from a dear friend, and I was in the shower and I was stirring, and I’m like, I don’t do obituary shit. I don’t do obituary shit. Right? And then I was like, you know what? This guy has three sons. And, uh, and he was doing it for, he was doing something for his kids when he died. And I’m just,

Rich Froning (03:22):

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Sevan Matossian (03:25):

Anyway, that’s it. Um, a as I get more details, I’ll share more details with you guys. And I, and I knew that Rich was coming on the show, so there’d be a lot of you knuckleheads on. So I thought, what a great way to leverage Rich to help other

Rich Froning (03:35):

Kids. Heck, you. I’m in. Love it.

Sevan Matossian (03:38):

Um, did you really do the workout again?

Rich Froning (03:42):

No. No. We have no

Sevan Matossian (03:44):

<laugh>. Yeah,

Rich Froning (03:45):

I’m doing a mile of shuttle runs. And again, unless I have to, I guess.

Sevan Matossian (03:50):

Dude, I watched that, that I watched that video.

Rich Froning (03:52):

So you watched that.

Sevan Matossian (03:53):

I watched that.

Rich Froning (03:54):

It’s so boring.

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

Let let me ask you this. What I

Rich Froning (03:57):

Can’t even believe we, we put it on the internet. I, I filled Scott, I wanted to punch him for it. I was like, you should have just cropped out the middle of it.

Sevan Matossian (04:03):

Hey, um, what if you, I, I think you guys should just put up a video of you like doing something like crazy mundane, like cutting your nails rich, cutting his nails. Maybe like you’re just sitting in a chair, cutting your nails and just see how many views it gets. Just

Rich Froning (04:16):

How many Clip, clip. Just slow. Like ear, like kind of creepy.

Sevan Matossian (04:19):

Yeah. Maybe some macro shots of like the nail clipper on your thumb and like a nail flying off. Close

Rich Froning (04:25):

Up. Close up. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:25):

Yeah. Rich brushing his teeth. It’s a whole series of you just doing mundane shit. Just

Rich Froning (04:29):

Doing stuff.

Sevan Matossian (04:30):

Rich slicing a piece of cheese, but extremely

Brian Friend (04:32):


Sevan Matossian (04:33):

<laugh>, here’s rich doing 12,000 shuttle runs.

Rich Froning (04:38):


Sevan Matossian (04:39):

Rich, why not take out the l the touch on the ground. Why a, a, after watching you touch the ground so many times I’m like, why do they have that in there? Like, I get it for sprints or for agility training or for my kids’ tennis, like if, for punishment for suicide drills. But it, but really it seems like what CrossFit is doing to me, um, they just want you to run, but they need you to stay within camera shots so they’re not having you run 400 meters on a field. So they’ve, the the shuttle runs a hack. Well, if it’s gonna be a hack, then just don’t make ’em touch the ground.

Rich Froning (05:06):

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I’m not against the shuttle run. It is a, a way to test some type of running, I guess, um, in the form that we do the virtual, it’s hard to like measure 400 and, and do all that type of stuff. So I’m not necessarily against it. I just, it was just so boring to do. A half mile of shuttle runs in one section and I don’t know, it was just very boring. Actually. I was talking to Brian. I shared him a workout that I would actually like to try down the road. And it was, you could still do the mile of shuttle, but, you know, 25 shuttle, um, five bench, 15 or five rope climbs, 15 bench, 25 shuttle, five rope climb, 15 bench, 25 shuttle, five rope climb, 15 bench and 25 shuttle. So you still get a hundred shuttle runs and it’s just a little bit broken up. I mean, it’s still pretty boring to do and watch, but, uh, no surprise

Brian Friend (05:55):

Rich just, uh, conveniently doubles the density of bench press.

Rich Froning (05:58):

Yeah. Mean, well, it, it’s, uh, it’s not doubled. It’s, uh, close, close. One and a half. One and a half, right. <laugh> a little over. I guess it is double. Yeah. 25 and 20. So you’re right. But I don’t know, it was just a little bit, little bit boring.

Sevan Matossian (06:13):

Let the money start pouring in people. Mike Sour chevon, can you please introduce the term testicular fortitude to your vocabulary? I think it would fit you well. What does that mean? Like, I have balls that are like strong, strong testicles. I don’t have strong testicles. I’ve never seen strong testicles.

Rich Froning (06:28):

Don’t those, isn’t there like somewhere that they like hang stuff from the testicles or, or is that from their actual

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

Yeah, no, I think it is. I think I have seen like, like a dude put like a diaper pin through his testicle and like, hey, a kettle bell from it or something. <laugh>. It’s a sterilized diaper pin. It’s good.

Rich Froning (06:45):

What? Run, run a mile shuttles.

Sevan Matossian (06:47):

<laugh>. What what about the, um, what about the thumb wrap? You think CrossFit just went to the wiki page, had a bench press and copied and pasted the rap. I didn’t even thumb wire profession.

Rich Froning (06:57):

That’s my bad. I didn’t read that. You know, I tried to, to read it and have a couple other people read over stuff and it just, I missed it. That was my bad. But I, it’s a safety thing is my only thinking. Um, but yeah. Is what it is. Maybe it’ll take me outta the top 30 and I don’t have to do semifinals then

Sevan Matossian (07:14):

They’re, I don’t think they’re gonna penalize you for that.

Rich Froning (07:16):

I, I mean the internet warriors say they should

Sevan Matossian (07:19):

No. Shit. Someone thinks that they should.

Rich Froning (07:21):

15% I think is what the, the going rate for that is.

Sevan Matossian (07:25):

I, um, I, Brian has anyone else gotten away with anything that’s, uh, equal to a not wrapping?

Rich Froning (07:33):

My, my thing too is like, do we have to wrap our thumb on? I mean, are they preached it at level ones for a long time? Wrap your thumb or on the pullup bar? So we’re gonna make people, you have to wrap your thumb on the pull-up bar. Oh. That’s

Brian Friend (07:43):

The bigger picture conversation that you

Rich Froning (07:45):

Knowing you can’t hook grip, you can’t, you know, whatever. I I’m, we’re just adding too many unnecessary rules. Like, hey, you can’t use, you can use grips, but you can’t use them on a barbell and you can’t use ’em on a dumbbell as long as you’re not wrapping the thing around and like, the opposite way around the thing. Use your damn grips. I’m tired of this. It’s, we’re just trying to make it too complicated. Like, I think we did a really good job for a long time of not necessarily taking the judges out of it, but not putting so much emphasis on the judge for them to make a split decision. Split decision call. It’s already a hard enough judge to, or hard enough job to be a judge. And so I think when you make all these unnecessary standards, um, I mean I’m four standards, like, don’t get me wrong, like there needs to be some set standards. But when you’re trying to get it too op, like you can use your grips but you can’t use ’em when you grab the dumbbell. Or you can use your grips and you can’t grab it on the barbell. Like as long as you’re, I mean, you could do the same thing with the grip if you, you know, I don’t know. It’s just,

Brian Friend (08:41):

Yeah. It’s what what I always say is just especially on these massive lot online competitions, make it as simple as possible.

Rich Froning (08:48):

Simple. Simple.

Brian Friend (08:49):

Yeah. For yourself, like for your own sake.

Rich Froning (08:51):

Yeah. Yeah. What are we looking at? You know, like, um, you know, in one of the things that, uh, on the event four, the thruster, um, and Rowe workout in the description on the standard, it said something about a snatch and it was, it, it like, uh, it blew my mind. So there’s a couple different things. And then like in the video it says one thing and then, you know, somebody said, I guess in the video it said you had to be touching the box to start. I don’t know. It’s just, just don’t, don’t make it, don’t overcomplicate it. Here.

Sevan Matossian (09:23):

Here’s the thing. Why I, I know you mentioned safety, like, does any party just want to be like, no, screw you. That’s stupid. I’m not about the thumb wrap.

Rich Froning (09:32):

I’ve been doing it for 20 years now. Do

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

You know anyone who wraps their thumb?

Rich Froning (09:37):

Yeah. Makes sense mean a lot of people bench press and wrap their thumbs. I’m, you know, I I you do Brian, I jerk from that suicide grip. It’s just something that I’ve always done. I have fat meaty palms right here and it, the barbell just sits there. You know, I just, it’s just the way I’ve always done it. So, I mean, it’s not, not to say it’s right by the way.

Brian Friend (09:53):

And the test force scorecard, it still says for your convenience, the municipal minimum acceptable weights for the snatches are and then next.

Rich Froning (10:00):

Yeah. Cause we were looking up, you know, cuz there’s a big argument of do you use a 45 pound bar or a 20 kilo bar? And so I went to grab, I was trying to stall as long as I could. Cause I really did not wanna do that. But <laugh> 15 five again, I just, I hate that workout. It’s so painful. Um, and so I actually was like, all right, well maybe I’ll just go and add half pound plates so we don’t have this, you know, weird discrepancy and end up on a Hiller video. And, uh, so I was like, we’re gonna add half pound plates to make it 45. Well then Jake went and looked at the standards and says, no, you can use a kilo bar for your snatches. And so, you know, it’s just, come on. If we’re gonna take all this time, clean it up.

Brian Friend (10:37):

Yeah, and I mean, that’s another one. Like, just present a chart like they did for one of the workouts that says these are the conversions from keyless to pounds for every workout for their entire season. Why? Like, why would you change it? Like, let alone from the open to quarter finals. But how could you have the same barbell way, a different thing for two different tests in the same competition?

Rich Froning (10:56):

The same competition, yeah. Doesn’t make any sense.

Brian Friend (10:58):

And why would you do that like that? You’re only,

Sevan Matossian (11:00):

Why would you do that? Why would you do that? I like, it’s a, I think it’s a stretch to, to be worried about safety when you have people climbing ropes and snatching and just doing all sorts of shit. I think the thumb wrap is just ridiculous. What I really think happened is someone just copying and pasted from like some wiki on how to bench press and stuck it in there. I seriously think so. I can’t imagine CrossFit. I could see them maybe saying, suggesting you wrap your thumb for safety. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. To Enfor. But to put that, I mean, it doesn’t change.

Rich Froning (11:27):

There’s no advantage. Yeah, there’s no, like, it doesn’t add a new grip element to the movement. It doesn’t make it more difficult unless it’s just something that you don’t do. Um, I don’t know. It just, I, uh, until somebody brought it up on the, um, one of the media guys brought it up that somebody commented. I didn’t even think twice about it. So

Sevan Matossian (11:46):

I love it when you’re in the crosshairs, especially when it’s just No,

Rich Froning (11:49):

I love it too. It’s

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

What, it’s when it’s just for just completely just bizarre shit. Well, it says you have to have your sock pulled up below your, uh, knee <laugh>. It says your knees have to be shown full and like you have your socks pulled up, covered a little bit of your knee. I would just, uh, let Rich preach.

Rich Froning (12:03):

All right. Preach fine. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. I just, I’m, I’ve, I, like I said, I think we did such a good job for a long time of, especially like you’re saying, Brian, of on the, for the virtual stuff, making it easier on the judges, easier on interpretations of stuff. And then now we’re just adding all these kind of arbitrary things. So

Sevan Matossian (12:23):

I don’t have all the stats here, but I think this guy Josh Laman has given a hundred dollars every time you’re on

Rich Froning (12:29):

Josh, man. Thanks, Josh.

Sevan Matossian (12:32):

I wonder what it, you know what, what’s the record? One time someone gave $499 for something. I can’t remember what it was for.

Rich Froning (12:40):

That’s crazy.

Sevan Matossian (12:40):

Was that you, were you on here when that happened?

Rich Froning (12:43):

I don’t think so. Maybe. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (12:46):

Yeah, that was crazy. Okay, so, but either way you don’t, you kind, you’re not stressed about it at all.

Rich Froning (12:51):

No, no, I don’t, I mean, I’m just, I’m doing the virtual stuff. Uh, I’m trying to get Dan to come out here, do ’em with us semi-finals. So, uh, have some fun and, uh, I think Easy was talking about maybe coming out here, so maybe get the old band back together and Yeah. Oh damn. Have some fun. So it was cool. I mean, it was a fun weekend of, I mean, it’s the first time I’ve done a weekend style other than the open, you know, doing multiple workouts by myself and shoot a bunch of years. But this is the first virtual competition I’ve done with multiple workouts. So one of the guys, Shane, I did pretty much every workout with him. He’s just a, a member here that does the class once a day. So that was, that was fun. And then we had Jason Grub and some of the other Mayhem Master athletes. And uh, it was, it was a good time.

Sevan Matossian (13:35):

There’s a dude you have in your videos, if I would’ve known if I would’ve had Caleb here, I would’ve pulled it up on the back end. But there’s a dude in one of your videos who looks like Fraser, you were snatching with them. And then there’s another dude you have that looks like Mallilo.

Rich Froning (13:47):

They weren’t here. No.

Sevan Matossian (13:49):

<laugh>. Do you know who I’m talking? No, I know, but do you know who I’m talking <laugh>? I know, I know. Yes, I know they weren’t there. Um, but, but, uh, do you know who I’m talking about?

Rich Froning (14:00):

Uh, I don’t know. There’s a guy you’re snatching from this weekend.

Sevan Matossian (14:03):

I, there’s a guy, you’re snatch, you’re snatching with Tyler. There’s a class going on or something, or Train with Rich and it’s you and Tyler in Gee. And uh, and there’s a guy like, from certain angles looks like, uh, looked like Matt and I thought that was funny. And then Sam

Brian Friend (14:17):


Rich Froning (14:18):

I was gonna say it could be New Sam, new Sam, um, Michigan Sam as we call him, or, um, what he actually refers to himself as unfit Sam compared to Sam Cornay.

Sevan Matossian (14:29):

Yeah, don’t call him New Sam. That reminds me too much of my governor. Newsome.

Rich Froning (14:33):

Oh, Newsome. Oh no. Yeah, I’m done with that. All mic Michigan. Sam, how about

Sevan Matossian (14:37):

That? Michigan. And then there’s another guy that looks like a

Brian Friend (14:40):

Guy on Angelo’s team. He’s, and he’s pretty strong, I guess,

Rich Froning (14:43):

Up super strong.

Brian Friend (14:44):

So it might be him that was snatching with those

Rich Froning (14:46):

Guys. Yeah, yeah, it was definitely that. Definitely Michigan. Sam

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

Does he kind of look Fraser like, like a younger version, less weathered version of Fraser.

Rich Froning (14:54):

He’s kind of square, like, like, you know, same haircut shape. Yeah, probably close. I could see that.

Sevan Matossian (15:00):

And then there’s another dude that looks like the, um, like, uh, uh, Belarus version of, uh, uh, Mallo, like a little more European, Russian Eastern block. You know what I’m talking about?

Rich Froning (15:11):

It wasn’t Angelo

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

<laugh>. No, no, no, no.

Rich Froning (15:14):

Who else? I know what video you’re talking about. I’m trying to think of who would’ve

Sevan Matossian (15:16):

Been, I don’t even know if he was in that video, to be honest. Anyway, I should have taken clips.

Rich Froning (15:22):

We should have. Malo was here a couple weeks ago.

Sevan Matossian (15:24):

Uh, quick side note from cf, uh, talk. Okay. If you insist, um, I’m sure Rich doesn’t mind talking about other shit, but Rich, uh, do you hunt big horns in Alberta? No. Would you, would you hunt big horns?

Rich Froning (15:36):

Ab Absolutely, I would.

Sevan Matossian (15:38):

He’s not gonna hunt little horns there. <laugh>, my brother is a terrific guide. We could set something up if you’re interested.

Rich Froning (15:44):

Programs that mayhem nation.com email us. I’d love, love to talk about it. Yeah, we, uh, I actually just put in for some preference points in Colorado. So anybody listening that, uh, is into western hunting, your deadline for Colorado big game hunting is today. So by I think 8:00 PM So, uh,

Sevan Matossian (16:00):

Define preference points. What’s that mean?

Rich Froning (16:03):

Well, you have to apply for tags and, um, all these, because contrary to popular belief, um, hunting is not just going around murdering, murdering, defenseless animals. There’s actually some conservation to it. And so the state only puts out a certain amount of, um, y you know, license per year. And so to get better units, you actually have to buy points or preference points. So there you go.

Sevan Matossian (16:26):

Uh, maximum number of preference points for the 2021 big game drawing.

Rich Froning (16:32):

There you go.

Sevan Matossian (16:33):

Drawing the maximum number of preference points a hunter can have for any season is 19. I still don’t Oh, what are preference points in hunting allocation starts with the highest points holder and works its way downward. Oh, to mean who can hunt in what area?

Rich Froning (16:44):

Yeah, so some units are more prime units, so less traffic, um, you know, different animal, uh, numbers. And so what they’ll do is you actually have to like, have some seniority basically to get, um, a better unit. So what we’ve been doing the last couple years, kind of the any old asshole over the counter tag where you can just buy a tag and go out and screw it up yourself. Yeah. And so the more we’ve done it, and actually Matt Chams helped me a ton on kind of learning the process. Him and one of our other guys, David, on how to get points and acquire points to go to more optimal units

Sevan Matossian (17:17):

And units. Means is is location

Rich Froning (17:19):

Zones? Yeah. Zones basically different, different states are completely different. So Colorado is one that has a bunch of units. I think New Mexico and Arizona are completely lottery draw. Um, and then I think Wyoming and some others do points. So it’s

Sevan Matossian (17:34):

Confusing. You’re learning a whole new language.

Rich Froning (17:36):

I am.

Sevan Matossian (17:37):

Um, hello Rich.

Rich Froning (17:39):


Sevan Matossian (17:40):

Um, tell Rich Senior Ron and I say hello.

Rich Froning (17:44):

Hello. Trish,

Sevan Matossian (17:45):

Do you think this is a case of Inept games team trying to look busy by creating a bunch of rules?

Rich Froning (17:50):

No, I don’t think so. I think it’s just probably a lack of either internal communication or just, I don’t know, you know, it’s, uh, not having a, a large media team or a bunch of people looking at stuff. I think, you know, like, um, I think there was, uh, somebody posted a video and Boz talking about decentralized leadership and you know, when you have a bunch of different, um, organiz or parts of the organization doing different things, it’s hard to make sure you’re, you know, somebody needs to just check it all. And I don’t feel like there’s, things always fall through the cracks and it is what it is, but it’s frustrating when it’s at this level and we’ve been around for this long and we’re having these problems.

Sevan Matossian (18:30):

And you have to understand, uh, ladies and gentlemen, you have to understand, we, we ju uh, education is the lowest it’s been in the United States in the history of this country. And so for them not to understand kilos and pounds, uh, CrossFit Inc. Is is just par for the course. How’s that <laugh> Johnny? 4 99? Will we ever see the Mayhem Classic again?

Rich Froning (18:51):

I don’t know. I’d love to do some type of event here. Um, we had a ton of fun doing it. Um, I do miss the, I liked the Sanctional model, um, for the athletes. You could just go compete a bunch and make some money. And I know it was a little bit confusing and, um, but I think with a little bit of insight, you could figure out a way to use the point system and people collect points at certain events and, um, go back to something like that. I feel like what we’re doing right now is more like a, uh, privatized regionals, which isn’t, there’s nothing wrong with it, but, um, I liked, you know, having the ability to, to host a couple different events and athletes to have a couple different places to showcase what they’ve done this season or not, you know, do one event and be done or, um,

Brian Friend (19:34):

I don’t know. It also, it also, you know, eliminates the, the scenario of, well, I just happen to get sick on the wrong weekend.

Rich Froning (19:40):

Yep. Yep. I, yeah, I, I liked hosting and being able to, you know, put a little bit of our flare on some events. You know, I, I would like to, there need to be, needed to be a lot more oversight, um, or at least some type of accountability on the programming from the programming side. But, um, I thought it was, they, they were getting to kind of a cool point with it and if it could have been more cohesive and more, um, I, like I said, just more, a little bit more oversight, a little bit more communication from the top down to the, the events. I think it would’ve been a pretty cool system.

Brian Friend (20:16):

I actually, a few years ago worked on a, a plan that would’ve, that could take, could have taken the Sanctional model and integrated a point system like you were talking about it. I’m sure I still have the work that I did on it, and it, you know, it, it, it would, I think create, create some, some freedom for athletes in terms of competition and competition structure, but also a little bit more opportunity for fans to potentially see the athletes they wanna see compete in some different venues and at different times of the year.

Rich Froning (20:43):

Yeah, I think, you know, I think people loved the regionals and the regionals were cool and are, were fun at the time, but the way it’s grown, I think from an athlete’s perspective, having the opportunity to go to a bunch of different places, you just have to figure out, hey, how do you qualify for it? And I’m sure, like you said, you figured that out. So, um, yeah, I, I, I, I’m tired of it changing, so maybe we should stick with this for a little while at least. But in another world I did like the Sanctional system from an athletics standpoint and from an event standpoint, you know, have a little bit of, of fun and be a part of the season versus just a competitor.

Sevan Matossian (21:16):

Um, uh, Simon, uh, rich just said Dan Bailey’s name to you. Um, why, why

Rich Froning (21:21):

Bring things up?

Sevan Matossian (21:23):

Bailey? Why bring Dan, uh, Bailey out? Just for, just for old school sake? For like, big,

Rich Froning (21:27):

Yeah. Have some fun. Throw down a little bit. He’s, uh, he’s 21st I think right now. Uh, me, him and China had a text thread all weekend just complaining about how awful we feel and how old we are and reminiscent on the old days. So it was a good time.

Sevan Matossian (21:39):

And, and, and Easy was part of that too. You, and when I met you, it was you, Dan, and Easy Yep. Training at, uh, Tennessee Tech, right? Is that the

Rich Froning (21:46):

Middle school? Yep. Oh yeah. Yep. Tennessee Technological University.

Sevan Matossian (21:50):

And any, any, any CrossFit going on there still?

Rich Froning (21:53):

I don’t really know. One of the, uh, assistant coaches, Hank, he goes here to the, to the gym, so nice kid,

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

You, um, oh man, look at this. God, I love it when you, come on. Uh, here we go. Uh, miss Car Redow, uh, Savon, please go snipe hunting with Rich. What’s that mean? I’ll

Rich Froning (22:11):

Take you snipe hunting, man. Come on.

Sevan Matossian (22:12):

Does that shoot squirrels?

Rich Froning (22:14):

Snipe is an imaginary animal, so anybody that you isn’t into hunting, you tell them, let’s go snipe hunting. Ah, and you trick him.

Sevan Matossian (22:23):

Um, uh, since, uh, he seems easier to get, would Rich be interested in doing a dating advice call in show? Oh, <laugh> you mean easier than, uh, Danielle <laugh>. Uh, someone also asked if this is a, um, if it’s clickbait to say that, uh, rich is going individual again. I just took that line from, uh, the CrossFit Mayhem. Empires,

Rich Froning (22:45):

They love Page. Oh man. They love, they love the clickbait stuff.

Sevan Matossian (22:49):

I, I don’t think they click baited. I I, so are you

Rich Froning (22:52):

Completing the individual? Are you I put my scores in. I paid my $50 to the people at CrossFit, so yeah, I guess I did compete.

Sevan Matossian (23:03):

Are you, are you compet? Uh, what the, so you guys go from here to the semi-finals? Brian has, he qualified for the semi-finals?

Rich Froning (23:10):

It’s not

Brian Friend (23:11):

A, he’s in a qualifying position currently

Rich Froning (23:12):

Until I get my 15%

Brian Friend (23:15):

Deduction per

Rich Froning (23:16):

Deduction For

Brian Friend (23:17):

Your fat and meaty palms.

Rich Froning (23:18):

Yeah, my fat meaty palms. Look at those things.

Sevan Matossian (23:21):

I if, if he does get that, um, deduction, will he still be qualified?

Brian Friend (23:27):

Uh, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (23:29):

Okay. So it’s Brian’s

Rich Froning (23:31):

Then I’ll do the semi-final.

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

You will do it.

Rich Froning (23:34):

Yeah, I might as well. I’m at home. Okay. I’m gonna work out anyway. I probably, I, I’m 99.7% sure. I won’t be in Madison. I’ll leave 0.3 on the table for you.

Brian Friend (23:47):

Won’t be in Madison competing or won’t be in Madison at all

Rich Froning (23:49):

Competing. Sorry, I’ll be in Madison for sure. I I mean, we’ll have some athletes there, so I’ll be there for them. But

Brian Friend (23:54):

Yeah, you’ll probably have a half a semester.

Sevan Matossian (23:57):

So something has happened. Something has happened.

Rich Froning (24:00):

Uhoh, what has happened?

Sevan Matossian (24:02):

I, you tell me. How’s your hip? Why, how could you be so sure that you’re 99.7% sure.

Rich Froning (24:07):

Uh, it’s just, I’m one, I’m doing the Leadville race. Really got want to get super, um, into and concentrate on that.

Sevan Matossian (24:17):

What is the Leadville race?

Rich Froning (24:18):

It’s that a hundred mile mountain bike race. Okay. And I want to try to go sub nine hours to get the, the large belt buckle. Okay. Um, so that’s gonna take some real concentration on that. And then also

Sevan Matossian (24:28):

When is that?

Rich Froning (24:29):

The weekend after the games. Okay. And then, um, I also like the kids, this is last year before they start going to school. And so, uh, really just wanna concentrate on, we’re gonna cut a couple trips planned and, uh, we’re gonna go to DC a little bit and then try to do some, some baseball games. Tri is getting into baseball. My girls like doing that type of stuff too, so I don’t wanna be so hyper-focused on training for something and I don’t wanna do something half-assed that I can’t. Uh, if I’m gonna go, I’m gonna try to win. So, um, yeah, it’s not, not what I wanna do this summer.

Sevan Matossian (25:06):

But you will do semi-finals.

Rich Froning (25:08):

Yeah, I’ll do semi-finals.

Sevan Matossian (25:10):

Brian, if he qualifies for, um, after he does semi-finals, if he qualifies for the games, will they backfill?

Brian Friend (25:17):

Well, that’s a great question. Um, rich, can you still hear us?

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

He, someone probably called them Rich, I don’t think Rich owns a laptop, so he does everything from his phone,

Rich Froning (25:26):

Potential spam.

Brian Friend (25:29):

Uh, he Rich, he was asking me about Backfills, and I’m not sure if you’re even aware of this, but for the individual divisions,

Rich Froning (25:35):

Do they take people, they don’t give

Brian Friend (25:37):

Backfills, they backfill for individual? Well, so it, the language is of course not, uh, abundantly clear, but for the individuals it’s, it says that they will likely backfill basically. Okay. If we may backfill, if there’s a scene, if you

Rich Froning (25:49):

Never a spot, I guess I’ll, I’ll reach out and say, Hey,

Brian Friend (25:52):

The Masters’ divisions, it specifically says they will not backfill either. The, that’s, that’s definitely for the semi. No,

Sevan Matossian (25:59):

You should do it. Don’t listen to us. We have no fucking idea what we’re talking about. Just, but I three homies to no one can hear us. Rich still do it.

Rich Froning (26:04):

I don’t want to, I don’t wanna take somebody’s Spotify. If I know I’m not, I

Sevan Matossian (26:07):

Don’t give a fuck. Fuck them. We wanna

Brian Friend (26:09):

See. So I, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not actually certain about semis to the games, but for a quarterfinals to semi-finals. Oh, okay. It says that they will not for masters. And I, I don’t really, you know, I was gonna ask you if you could speculate as a reason why. I can’t really think

Rich Froning (26:22):

Of one’s ridiculous. As long as there’s, yeah. Why would you not do that? Especially if you give them, like give them a week to, you know, that Yeah, that

Brian Friend (26:32):

Well, and I’m just looking like specifically in your division and scrolling through the list here, and like the guy who’s in 10th place, he’s also on a team that’s qualified, I don’t know, top 10 in the world right now. Yeah. There’s another guy that’s in a, on a team who’s sitting in 30th place. He’s gonna compete at Zach George’s team in England, will Kane. And so then I look at the guys that are just on the outside and I’m like, well, they’re just not gonna get an invite because yeah, why

Rich Froning (26:54):

Would you do that? That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever for an online competition. It’s not like you’re, you know, ordering jerseys for somebody and they’re not having a name or a number on it. That’s,

Brian Friend (27:04):

And we’ve, you know, we’ve been talking about this and, you know, sometimes it’s less abundant or it’s less relevant when you’re not in the situation. Now we, you know, being a master’s age, you might be more privy to it, but like that’s half of the population that signs up for these competitions is the master’s

Rich Froning (27:18):

Athletes. Exactly. Like, why would you not? Well, and, and getting rid of the occupational games, I think was a huge misstep. Um, that’s why Mayhem is gonna host some occupational games on our platform, so stay tuned for that. But yeah, I, that’s, that’s your community, like your masters and your occupational members are, uh, it doesn’t make sense

Brian Friend (27:41):

That the occupational stuff is really shocking to me because you,

Rich Froning (27:44):

It blew my mind.

Brian Friend (27:44):

You know, you’re talking about between Bosman, uh, Justin Berg and Eubanks alone, something like 50 years of working for CrossFit. Like, you definitely know that this thing, how this thing started,

Rich Froning (27:56):

Like I said, we, we sat down, uh, when that that came out and we’re gonna, we’re gonna do something and host something on our ma on Sugar wa and then, uh, like Angelo, we programmed the workouts yesterday. So Angelo does his, um, his, uh, everyday hero track. And so, I mean, it’s perfect. He’s a firefighter. Like we’re, we want to serve that community. It’s, it’s,

Sevan Matossian (28:21):

Angelo has his own track.

Brian Friend (28:22):

Like you guys should reach out, reach out to Matt Chan, reach out to Bill Grumman, like reach out to these, uh, Larry Moss, like these guys that are critical parts of the community that are also occupational, you know,

Rich Froning (28:31):

Absolutely. Service

Brian Friend (28:32):

Numbers around the world and build up the, the participation in that

Rich Froning (28:35):

For sure. Yeah. No,

Sevan Matossian (28:36):

How hard it is that they don’t have occupational games.

Rich Froning (28:39):

Well, you missed it when you were peeing.

Sevan Matossian (28:41):

Uh, I wasn’t peeing. I forgot my coffee. Oh,

Rich Froning (28:44):

Okay. But I What kind coffee is that? Uh, table Street Coffee. Nice. Um, but yeah, we were just saying that mayhem, we’re gonna, we’re gonna host an occupational games on our, on our app, on the sugar water app. So

Sevan Matossian (28:57):

I, I can’t even fucking believe that I,

Rich Froning (28:59):

It blows my mind that one is a complete misstep in my opinion. But that’s, but don’t

Sevan Matossian (29:04):

Worry, don’t worry. They have the, uh, adaptive class, uh, 30 different adaptive class athletes. And listen, it’s not, I’m, I’m not against the adaptive class. I told you I’m very interested to see little people compete.

Brian Friend (29:15):

Yeah. But to me, and whether you’re talking about the adaptive divisions, the occupational divisions, the age group divisions, it’s how you present the information. Yeah. And when you just write a rule that we’ll backfill for individuals, but we won’t for masters, what message are you sending to that community? Masters

Rich Froning (29:29):


Brian Friend (29:30):

Don’t have an occupational games on the leader board. And you know, you know, people are gonna ask about that. And when they ask about it, you’re prep. You were, what you were prepared to say was work focusing on things that

Rich Froning (29:40):

Matter. Yeah. That the wording was not the most, somebody didn’t pass that through their, uh, their chain of command or through their, uh,

Sevan Matossian (29:47):

<laugh>. That was a mistake on birds’ part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a

Rich Froning (29:50):

Mistake. They’ve got someone working in the White House, I think that wrote that, uh, transcript, <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (29:56):

There would’ve been more stuttering. A Dill Barry.

Rich Froning (29:59):

Dill Barry.

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