#860 – Sean Pastuch | Evolving Fitness To Function as Healthcare

Sean Pastuch (00:00):

Is that a new background I see on your screen?

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

I know. Isn’t that great? I

Sean Pastuch (00:04):

Feel special. I feel like I, you knew I was coming on it and you wanted to step your game up. So you, you put that on for me.

Sevan Matossian (00:10):

You, you know what’s incredible, uh, Sean, um, the, on my birthday, I came in to do my podcast and there was a box of Kleenex next to my desk. And I purposely don’t allow Kleenex in my podcast studio. Cause I don’t want anyone to think I’m jerking off in here. <laugh>. It’s like,

Sean Pastuch (00:26):


Sevan Matossian (00:27):

Uh, in insecurity. I have. And, and I, and I needed paper towels in here once cuz I spilled coffee. And even that was hard for me to get my head wrapped around. But I came in here and this was in here and I’m like, that is really weird. So I thought, oh, my kids must have come in here. I’m gonna have to figure that out. I can’t have like them in here, you know, fooling around. And then at the end of the podcast, my wife came in with this sign that the audience members had pulled their money together and bought me that sign. And my wife knew I cried for 15 minutes straight. It fuck ruined my whole day.

Sean Pastuch (01:00):

Yeah, dude, that’s, that’s a, uh, there isn’t a much bigger compliment than your audience pooling cash together to get you something awesome for your office.

Sevan Matossian (01:08):


Sean Pastuch (01:09):

That’s cool.

Sevan Matossian (01:10):

Someone, I saw someone from the audience yesterday mm-hmm. <affirmative> on at, at some event I was at. And they asked me if I was faking the crying

Sean Pastuch (01:20):


Sevan Matossian (01:21):

I said, dude,

Sean Pastuch (01:23):

That’s a hard thing to do for, for 15

Sevan Matossian (01:25):

Minutes. I said, my eyes didn’t. Yeah. And it was 15 minutes. My eyes didn’t open the rest of the day. They were permanently. Sean, I like you and I feel bad doing this to you, but I, but I’m really wound up, uh, um, if, uh, maybe you’re gonna like this. You never know. Some people like this stuff, some people don’t. I received this this morning. Oh,

Sean Pastuch (01:48):

Here we go.

Sevan Matossian (01:49):


Sean Pastuch (01:49):

Running hot.

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

Yeah. I, I told you guys, I, I told you guys that when Nicole Carroll went to branding and left training that I have no faith in fucking CrossFit anymore. I’m done. I’m fucking done. I know. Don’t I? Look, that’s crazy that you think I look good this morning because I looked in the mirror too this morning. I was like, fuck you are, I’m lifting heavy again. I I front squatted 60 pounds, 60 pound D ball. Five reps on the minute for 30 minutes while I studied Sean, Sean Pache. Hold

Sean Pastuch (02:22):

On. Wait, did you pull that D ball off the ground or did you pull it from some, some shelf that made

Sevan Matossian (02:26):

It easy for you? Off the ground. Off the ground. Easy buddy. This,

Sean Pastuch (02:28):

This is too much man. On this screen right now.

Sevan Matossian (02:30):

Easy buddy. I normally only do front squats with a 40 pound de ball. I did 60 pounds just five reps on the minute for 30 minutes. I got up my s swol on. Mm-hmm.

Sean Pastuch (02:38):


Sevan Matossian (02:40):

Uh, this is crazy. This is fucking idiot world <laugh>. Listen, listen. Do you, do you know why Danny Spiegel, uh, and, and all these other girls, I’m not picking on her, but she just seems to work so good. Do you know why she poses face down with the G-string? Looking at the camera?

Sean Pastuch (02:56):

Are you asking me my opinion on

Sevan Matossian (02:57):

What Sure. I I was rhetorical, but I’d love your opinion.

Sean Pastuch (03:00):

<laugh>, my my opinion. It gets eyeballs.

Sevan Matossian (03:02):

Right? It’s attention. Right? Yeah. Okay. And then, and then other. And then when other people, she, she gets attention for it. They’re going to do it also. They’ll wanna replicate it. Right? For some reason people want attention. Is that fair? Yeah. I And algebra

Sean Pastuch (03:17):

Good. I tried, I tried that.

Sevan Matossian (03:20):

<laugh> show me.

Sean Pastuch (03:21):

It didn’t show me. My wife has those photos. <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (03:29):

Ladies and gentlemen, if for some reason you had to do this, if you had to do this behind closed doors because someone had a gun to your head, I give you a pass. I love you. Congratulations on your strength, your positioning, all of it. I’m fucking so proud of you choosing an adequate weight. They allowed you to get into a good posture, but to put this fucking photo on CrossFit training, if for some reason you thought CrossFit, maybe it hasn’t lost its way. Maybe there is hope y you’re wrong,

Sean Pastuch (04:06):


Sevan Matossian (04:07):

You’re right. You’re absolutely have lost your fucking mind. And they have lost their fucking mind. I don’t care if a hundred thousand times she can do that without hitting the baby. The one time she can’t, that lady’s life is over.

Sean Pastuch (04:23):

Well, or the babies.

Sevan Matossian (04:25):

Well, of course the babies. But I’m a selfish parent. I can’t even yell at my kid without it fucking shaking me for the next week that I did something inappropriate.

Sean Pastuch (04:33):

Dude, my my newsletter last week was all about how I yelled at my kid. And, and I never do that. Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:39):

Fucks your fucks your whole day up. Yeah. I forgot to turn on my beauty light. Sorry.

Sean Pastuch (04:45):

I thought you looked great.

Sevan Matossian (04:49):

I have one of those ring lights that’s supposed to make my shit pop my, oh,

Sean Pastuch (04:52):

There you go. Now you can, now you can throw the thong line and go fe down

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

<laugh>. This isn’t cool. Right, Sean?

Sean Pastuch (04:58):

Um, this is not something I would want my wife doing with our kids. Definitely not.

Sevan Matossian (05:02):

W what about the leading fitness and, uh, uh, what about the leading health brand? The people who have the cure for the world’s most ve problem, a holistic community that supports each other into making healthy choices. You, and, and this is their main training. Instagram, the only one that didn’t get a, a race. Do you understand that? This is the only count that didn’t get erased in 2018. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it’s their big daddy account and they ha they’re holding, uh, uh, uh, uh, enough weight to kill that baby. If for some reason it were to slip out of her hands. Or maybe she got the vax and she’d have myocarditis and dropped that on the baby

Sean Pastuch (05:35):

<laugh>. Well, I mean, possible. It, it’s also if, if mom falls down

Sevan Matossian (05:39):


Sean Pastuch (05:40):

Right there, there, there’s a lot of

Sevan Matossian (05:42):


Sean Pastuch (05:43):

It’s just not, it’s just not necessarily, it’s, it doesn’t make the training session better. It doesn’t. There’s, there’s some things that could have been done. Um, I don’t know. I just I’m with you. I don’t like it.

Sevan Matossian (05:56):

Uh, people are gonna, well, I, the thing is, uh, Devesh maharaj the hammer. Thank you for joining us. I, I I care, I care this much that she’s doing it. I care this much. You can’t even see my arms. That CrossFit training is putting this on the front end. This is nuts, dude.

Sean Pastuch (06:17):

Well, I think the point that you’re making, it’s

Sevan Matossian (06:19):

Not even a bad dec It’s not even a bad decision, dude. It’s beyond a bad. It, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s several bad decisions in a row. By the way. Ba baby carriers are stupid.

Sean Pastuch (06:30):

Well, I think the point here for the people who are, who are struggling to get behind it is that, um, it’s the, it’s the worry that this becomes a thing that people now think that they need to do in order to fit into the model. If

Sevan Matossian (06:46):

That makes, makes sense. That’s, yeah. That’s the really bad part. Yeah, you’re right. That’s the, we have, we have fentanyl in the room and we have a needle. And unfortunately now we have someone get clappy getting a hand clap for using both of them. That’s Yeah, you’re right. It’s too far. Saban

Sean Pastuch (06:59):

One, one of your listeners just asked me to turn up the volume. Are you able to hear me?

Sevan Matossian (07:03):

I hear you. Great. Tr ignore them. Ignore them. Unless they send you a, uh, don’t ignore them. They’re, they’re naughty people. It’s probably this guy Omar Con Cornejo.

Sean Pastuch (07:13):

I don’t know if it was Omar.

Sevan Matossian (07:14):

Let me see who it is. How about you get your ears checked?

Sean Pastuch (07:18):

I’m just making sure you can hear me.

Sevan Matossian (07:19):

I hear you. Great. Thank you. Uh, Jay Hardell, a wise Armenian man. There’s a fucking seat right behind her for the baby.

Sean Pastuch (07:29):

Yeah, the baby probably got out of the seat. I mean, as Look, you’re, you’re a parent. I’m a parent. I can imagine. The baby got out of the seat and the kid wanted to be in the way. So mom put the baby on her. She might not have been snatching. She might have been overhead squatting. If we give her all of the possible

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

That might be made of foam, those might be styrofoam weights.

Sean Pastuch (07:46):

There’s that. She Right. The influencer weights. It could be that. Um, it’s just, I, I get the message that you’re saying. It’s like, look, if, if, if the workout call for overhead squats and you had to bring the baby in that day, maybe sub the movement.

Sevan Matossian (08:01):

Justin McClin talk.

Sean Pastuch (08:03):

Justin McLin talk. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (08:06):

Good. Sounds good here.

Sean Pastuch (08:07):


Sevan Matossian (08:09):

Any name with the, uh, with the word A in it? Uh, I like Austin. Austin Hartman s’s the nineties person. I know. Yeah. And I would not do that, dude. I let my kid crawl all over the gym. I brought my kid and I threw a blanket down. My kid was everywhere in the gym. I would, I don’t do anything that puts my kid at a, a completely unnecessary risk. W there is no, your kid is not an acc crema.

Sean Pastuch (08:35):

What do you think of dogs in that light? Because dogs running around the gym when people are snatching overhead, squatting and whatnot.

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

Um, way, way more tolerance for it. Of course, of course. There’s stories where dogs have been killed and maimed and all that shit. But way more tolerant for it cuz it’s just a fucking dog. What’s still wrong? What if a dog trips someone? I mean, I mean, we’ve seen, there’s endless videos right on YouTube where people are dropping weights and just missing the dogs. I I think the dog’s inappropriate too. Even when I deadlift around my dog, I’m like, dude, like, hey, it’s, it’s bad for me too. What if I make a sudden movement and, and, um, and, and hurt myself.

Sean Pastuch (09:10):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> for sure. Just

Sevan Matossian (09:11):

The risk to reward ratio is, um, I, I don’t see any reward in having the ba the baby’s not benefiting from that at, at all. Zero. It’s not getting some spatial awareness or bonding time with mom or, and I never use one of those. My wife would use one of those. I’d never use one of those. I think it’s bullshit carrier baby, until you can’t. And then set your baby down. <laugh>.

Sean Pastuch (09:39):

We, we have all

Sevan Matossian (09:39):

The babies I know that have problems with crawling and they do the scoot and all that shit. It was because parents thought it was cute to wear their babies in those all the time. And they didn’t put their babies on the ground. Let what, we

Sean Pastuch (09:48):

Have three, we have three daughters. The first one, all the Scoot never crawled. And we’re seeing it now in the way that she runs and all the, and I’m, I’m actually helping her work through it. Um,

Sevan Matossian (09:57):

Did you use a baby carrier with her? Did you use baby carrier with Oh, we,

Sean Pastuch (10:00):

We used with all three. We used it with all three. Oh. So we were soft for all three of our kids. Um, but that’s what I was gonna say is, I dunno if there’s a correlation between kids scooting and wearing the carrier. Cuz our first one scooted our next two crawled, and they all got,

Sevan Matossian (10:16):

Uh, um, I would say that there’s a correlation between the carrier and your first kid because people, I think parents hold their kids too much.

Sean Pastuch (10:24):

Well, I think there’s a relationship between the carrier and soft parents. I just want my kid to be close to me and I’m like, don’t you know, don’t, don’t go anywhere. And, and I wasn’t strong enough to carry all the time, I guess come work out with you

Sevan Matossian (10:35):

And, and then yeah. You need carry a 40 pound de ball. And then the first child also, um, gets that, um, doesn’t get any benign neglect. So what, you know what I mean? Yes, I do. Like, it’s, it’s just, I mean, we call our first one Prince Avi. When I saw my younger kids could dress themselves before my older kid, I was like, yeah, fuck this one up. <laugh>.

Sean Pastuch (10:54):

Yeah. It’s okay. It’s got time to fix it.

Sevan Matossian (10:57):

Yeah. What do you think about scooting, you think? Does that concern you that she didn’t crawl?

Sean Pastuch (11:03):

Oh yeah. I, and we see it now as she, I mean, she’s eight, right? Um, but, so I’ll tell you a funny story. I think you’ll like this her, her first day of real school, like she’s, she always thought, she’s like, I’m, I’m a great athlete. I’m fast. I’m all these things. I’m, I’m the smartest, I’m the best. That’s

Sevan Matossian (11:17):


Sean Pastuch (11:18):

Oh yeah. We, we instill confidence and we never tell her, no, you’re not. We just say, yeah, you’re fast. Right? Yeah. Well, the first day of school, cuz she didn’t go to school when they had to wear masks, I wasn’t sending her to wear a mask and sit in the cubicle as a six year old. So her first year in school, the first day they have gym class and they’re outside and they’re all running, comes home from school. She’s like, I hate school. I never want to go back. I said, why do you hate school? She said, cause I was the slowest kid in gym class. Hmm. And I’m like, oh man. Okay. So reality kind of sunk in. Right. And mind you, when I was her age, I was, I very slow. I couldn’t coordinate my feet, my knees, my hips, none of that.


And by the time I was a senior in high school, I was very fast and I, I was known for my speed Wow. Uh, in college and afterwards. But so I said to her, I’m like, okay, do you want to get better? She said, yeah. So we practiced running, like we worked out practicing running every day for, until she had been faster than three kids and was comfortable with it. Yeah. Wow. So it, it wasn’t the, uh, I’m definitely concerned about her gait and things like that. Now when she jumps her knees go in, uh, when she runs her feet still kind of swing out to the side. And I have to remind her knees up. You know, it’s, there’s not a lot of queuing you’re gonna give to an eight year old who’s not a natural born athlete. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, but it’s something that we’re actively working on. For sure. We crawl around now as, as as rehab.

Sevan Matossian (12:42):

I, I I have no proof of this. I have no, I’ve never read this anywhere. This is just pure horseshit what I’m about to tell you.

Sean Pastuch (12:51):

Love it.

Sevan Matossian (12:52):

Um, I think crawling is the holy grail of fitness and that no kid should ever be taught how to walk or encouraged to walk.

Sean Pastuch (13:00):

Oh, I, I don’t think that’s horses shit. I think there’s actually plenty of evidence. So, so, you know, you know what a diastasis is

Sevan Matossian (13:07):

When the stomach, like, uh, when you do, when you do too many pull-ups when you’re pregnant and it rips your stomach up open, well

Sean Pastuch (13:12):

Oftentimes get it as a result of being pregnant. And the pullups are revelatory. It doesn’t cause it,

Sevan Matossian (13:17):

But okay. Darn it. You’re ruining my story, but

Sean Pastuch (13:19):

No, no, I’m gonna, I’m, I’m gonna give you

Sevan Matossian (13:21):

Supporting evidence on we’re,

Sean Pastuch (13:23):

We’re all born that way.

Sevan Matossian (13:25):

What? Diastasis. Oh yes. I didn’t know that

Sean Pastuch (13:28):

Crawling closes it.

Sevan Matossian (13:30):


Sean Pastuch (13:31):


Sevan Matossian (13:33):

God, humans are fascinating. Uh, can you explain that a little bit more to me? Literally, why would, um, that’s why babies kind of have those bulbous stomachs. This the, the muscles haven’t come around

Sean Pastuch (13:43):

That I can’t speak to. I’m not, I’m not clear on, on the reason for a bulbous stomach. But what I can tell you is that when we’re born our, it’s called the lid alba or abs, it is the line that goes down the middle of the six instead of three pack. Right. It divides ’em in half when we’re babies that’s not fully formed and solidified. And the cross gate patterning of crawling, you know, having yourself on all fours, the plank position, and then the distortion from side to side force that ligament to actually tighten and start to become align or, but it becomes tighter and it forms itself. And so that’s why after partum companies like Birthfit, um, start working on reverse curl, uh, curling patterns with others to reform the linearal down the middle.

Sevan Matossian (14:39):

Hey, do you have two windows open or is there anyone else on your wifi?

Sean Pastuch (14:44):

I don’t. I have a monitor on behind me. Is it coming up? Is it ruining the screen?

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

Uh, just something your connection, uh, keeps, um, dropping in and out. Do you have pretty good wifi where you’re at? May it could have just been just a fluke too.

Sean Pastuch (14:58):

Yeah, we have, we have a gig and I’m about seven feet from the

Sevan Matossian (15:01):

Okay. Router. Okay. From the router. Okay, cool. Yeah. That’s fascinating. Um, I, I just, I don’t, I don’t know what any of these words mean, but I just think that there’s not enough that, that work that you put in when you’re a kid crawling mm-hmm. <affirmative>, a kid should be rewarded for it, clapped for it, love for it. Never encouraged to crawl, be or to to walk. Because once you stand, you you don’t, you don’t ever get on all four again unless you’re uh, uh, uh, a fitness female influencer. Then you’ll do some time on all four collecting your your fan base. Right.

Sean Pastuch (15:38):

No, it’s definitely, it’s definitely a benefit.

Sevan Matossian (15:40):

It’s crazy. Um, you, you own three CrossFit gyms.

Sean Pastuch (15:45):

I have owned three CrossFit gyms right now. I own none, but I owned three in my career. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (15:50):

Yeah. That’s nuts. I had, I had no, and and then you, you par in nine, in 2017 was your last, uh, ownership of one?

Sean Pastuch (15:57):

Yeah. 2017. December 31st.

Sevan Matossian (16:00):

Wow. Wow.

Sean Pastuch (16:02):

There’s a lot there. Sivan. I’ve spent more money defending CrossFit than probably any other CrossFit affiliate owner in history.

Sevan Matossian (16:11):

Those were all in New York.

Sean Pastuch (16:13):


Sevan Matossian (16:15):

I have a feeling we’re gonna have to have you on twice already.

Sean Pastuch (16:18):

I’m happy to come on as many times as you want.

Sevan Matossian (16:22):

Um, how old are you?

Sean Pastuch (16:24):

39. Do I look, do I look 39?

Sevan Matossian (16:27):

I, well, I ge I guess you were, uh, 10 years younger than me. Between 10 and 15 years younger than me. Which you are.

Sean Pastuch (16:33):

There we go.

Sevan Matossian (16:34):

Yeah. Cuz you have a little bit of gray hair, but you have really nice skin still. You don’t have any, you the wrinkles. That’s a fa phase two.

Sean Pastuch (16:40):

Thank you. Well, the gray hair comes from, um, starting businesses and having three daughters. And the wrinkles, I guess come from, from more time.

Sevan Matossian (16:49):

And how old are your daughters?

Sean Pastuch (16:51):

I have four, six, and eight.

Sevan Matossian (16:54):


Sean Pastuch (16:55):


Sevan Matossian (16:55):

Congrats. You’re stoked. Good job. Thank you.

Sean Pastuch (16:58):

I appreciate that.

Sevan Matossian (16:59):

And, and you and you’re still married?

Sean Pastuch (17:02):

Yeah. Still happily married. That’s the fir that that comes first, man. Well, I come first then my wife, then my kids.

Sevan Matossian (17:08):

Dude, that’s awesome. You know, that’s awesome, right?

Sean Pastuch (17:11):

I do. I’m I’m, I’m, I’m grateful for it every day.

Sevan Matossian (17:15):

Yeah. It’s the, uh, it that’s awesome. Oh, what’s this say? Uh, Jordan, uh, uh, Harry Jordan <laugh>, uh, first Michael Kaju. Now Sean pto. You’ve been sending me back to 2017. I know. Where was I? I was just behind a camera. I didn’t even know these guys back then.

Sean Pastuch (17:34):

Well, you knew me in 2017. You just didn’t know it. Okay. Because I was in one of your documentaries Okay. At, at, at the CrossFit games. But Jordan was a, uh, a brute strength athlete back in 2017. And I used to travel the country doing seminars with him and coaching their athletes with Michael and Matt Bruce and Nick Crell and Adrian Conway. Um, and I’m leaving somebody, um, Chris Hinshaw and Jordan used to come to the seminars and work with Brutus, an athlete

Sevan Matossian (18:01):

Did, um, uh, at Carson, there was the, there was, um, that area underneath the stadium where all the athletes were, were lying down and they would get worked on. Were you one of the guys that worked on the athletes down there

Sean Pastuch (18:17):

In Carson? Under the stadium?

Sevan Matossian (18:19):

Let me, yeah.

Sean Pastuch (18:20):


Sevan Matossian (18:20):


Sean Pastuch (18:20):


Sevan Matossian (18:21):

Well, it looked, it feels like it’s a, yeah,

Sean Pastuch (18:24):

There was that, that brown tent next to like the handball courts or whatever. They were in the back. There was the warmup area. Yeah. Yeah. I know, I I know what you’re, I wasn’t allowed into that area where you’re talking about with the it under the stadium. That was for sponsors only, so. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

That’s right. They had like a Lululemon ice bat there and shit. You’re right. That was great.

Sean Pastuch (18:44):

<laugh>. I, I was allowed to come in there because I had the, the coach band, but I wasn’t allowed to bring my table in there.

Sevan Matossian (18:52):

And where would I, did I in, did I talk to you while you were working on an athlete?

Sean Pastuch (18:56):

Yeah. So I forget what year the document, I think it was, what was the last year on Carson when Brook Wells took sixth? Was that 16 or 17?

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

I, I, uh, I don’t know

Sean Pastuch (19:08):

Whatever year it was. Okay. Uh, my business partner at the time was working on Brook. She was a client of ours. Oh. And you came over to film cuz she was doing really well and you were like, Hey, are you married? And he thought you meant her at the time. He’s run her butt. Yes. Like totally, totally clinically not noth nothing.

Sevan Matossian (19:26):

Yeah. That’s one of the highlights of my whole, uh, of over 20 years of interviewing people. That’s one of my highlights. I

Sean Pastuch (19:32):

Figured it once it happened, we we’re driving back to the air like, dude, you know you’re gonna be in the trailer like that. You’re in the trailer, <laugh>. It’s not, you’re not just in it. You’re like in the trailer. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (19:43):

How cool. Uh, kudos to Brook for how well she handled that too. That was a really uncomfortable situation. I was like, okay, se do it for those of you guys don’t understand. There was some guy rubbing Brook Well’s button and I just walked over to him and asked him if he was married and it was supposed to be just a bit a joke. Yeah. It’s like the kind of stuff you’re probably not supposed to talk about if you’re the masseuse or the body worker with the super hot fucking, uh, ridiculous, uh, athlete.

Sean Pastuch (20:08):

Yeah. Well it, it, it worked out to be TV magic because he said no, but he meant not to Brooke.

Sevan Matossian (20:15):


Sean Pastuch (20:16):

He is married to an woman and he, he, he quickly corrected it on camera, which made it even better

Sevan Matossian (20:21):

And she handled it so good. I I was so impressed at how she handled, I’m always impressed by the athletes that know how to work those moments, those scenes.

Sean Pastuch (20:30):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (20:32):

Um, uh, I want to go back. So can you tell me how you got into CrossFit your, your, in your very first gym, kind of the buildup to that?

Sean Pastuch (20:40):


Sevan Matossian (20:41):

And then, and then hopefully in this, um, hour and a half, in this 90 minutes today, we can at some point get figure out. I wanna tie that to why you’re not owning a gym now. And then talk about a little bit what you do and then maybe have you back on if we, if we, because I have a feeling we’re gonna run out of time.

Sean Pastuch (20:58):

Listen, man, this is your show. I have to answer whatever questions you want and if we do

Sevan Matossian (21:01):

Anything. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

Sean Pastuch (21:04):

Um, so I was actually, I was, I was the guy who watched the 2009 CrossFit games. I think that it was when the technique was terrible, but people were trying things that no one had ever done before. And I was there full disclosure, I I was in chiropractic school, had been a personal trainer since 2005. I was like, that’s bad movement. These people are all gonna get hurt. That’s stupid. That’s dumb away. Then one of my friends in chiropractic school brought it to our weight room and was like, just do, just do one workout. So I did one workout, the exhaust, you know, that was hard, humbling. Um, frankly, my ego wasn’t ready to acknowledge that I wasn’t fit. And so why

Sevan Matossian (21:51):

Were you a good athlete? Were you a good athlete at that point?

Sean Pastuch (21:54):

In my own head, right. Remember my mom told me I was a good jumper runner when I was a baby. Uh, I was, I I didn’t play any sports in college. I got recruited to play baseball at, at Quinnipiac in Towson and passed it up to go get cut by the team at Maryland. That’s the Okay. But

Sevan Matossian (22:07):

So you were an athlete, so you were an athlete. You had, you had a reason to believe that you were good. Yeah. Okay. Yeah,

Sean Pastuch (22:13):

Yeah, yeah. Um, because like when I was training at Equinox, if I was push pushing 1 35 at 150 pounds, people were like, that guy is a freak. Yeah. But I wasn’t, I was just a bunch of who not freaks at all. I never anyone. Right. Um, so anyway, I’ll, I’ll I’ll get to the long story short. Um, one of my friends, his name Dr. Chris Depi, and he owns a business called Barefoot Rehab. He was like, you have to try dropping in to a CrossFit gym because that’s where you’re going to be able to get the kind of patients who you want to see. He and I were both practicing a bunch of soft tissue work. So I went to CrossFit Garden City, uh, with Dennis Marshall and Jennifer Hunter Marshall when he was still on, I think it was Nassau Boulevard and Garden City. It was like a hole in the wall. It was a, a hallway gym.

Sevan Matossian (23:02):

Is that New York state?

Sean Pastuch (23:04):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Long Island. So I remember I walked in the first day I was wearing my Nike basketball sneakers with the air bubble. Right. And there were some kind of presses going on that day, and a member was like, Hey, next time you come in, you’re gonna wanna wear flat shoes. I remember that vividly. Then they were doing muscle ups, and I was like, I could probably do that. And I went and tried and it was, you definitely can’t do that. <laugh>, you know, what do what you’re doing. And so I, I got hooked. I got the bug for, I had just received really good coaching from Dennis and Jen. Um, there were things that I could do that made

Sevan Matossian (23:43):

Me feel, I don’t know him, but she’s out of this world.

Sean Pastuch (23:45):

He’s, he’s also a great coach.

Sevan Matossian (23:48):

Yeah. Awesome.

Sean Pastuch (23:48):

I have, I have a lot of respect for both of them. Um, and long story short, they let me start treating patients out of their gym and working up there. And that’s how I got my start in CrossFit. And then it effectively, I was in clinical practice with my father and my uncle in a chiropractic office. And I wasn’t, you know, they, they’re very traditional chiropractors and I was much more soft tissue exercise, uh, get out of my office. Um, and so I decided to go open my own CrossFit gym with a friend of mine who was running one already somewhere else. We came together, we opened my clinic and a CrossFit gym in Long Beach, New York in 2011. Our opening day was October 24th, 2011. Uh, and there’s a lot that goes into that story, but we’ll start, I’ll just give you this much. We, we put a sign in the window that said CrossFit coming soon.


Here’s a phone number to call people were calling. And the way that we built our original membership base was by working out for free with people who had signed up. We said, if you buy your first month or your year, whatever it is, you get to work with us for free every Tuesday and Thursday at let’s say five o’clock. I don’t remember exactly what day or what time it was. And by the time that we actually opened our gin, like the got got our permits and all that kind of stuff, we had almost 50 people working out on the sidewalk running up and down the street. And we were already considered a menace to our town.

Sevan Matossian (25:17):

Yeah, yeah.

Sean Pastuch (25:18):

Yeah. So that’s how we got our start.

Sevan Matossian (25:21):

Uh, oh, a little, a little, uh, a little choppy this morning. Um, I like this dude. But is he on Brian’s old laptop? Um, is he, uh, Brandon Waddell? Is Sean past borrowing Brian’s internet? Brian’s a regular guest I have on the show. He’s I know Brian is, he used to have ass internet. It. I think it’s good now. Guys. Easy. Everyone chill out. Everyone’s listen.

Sean Pastuch (25:39):

I, I I can, if these are the worst things that come my way today, we’re, we’re gonna do really well.

Sevan Matossian (25:44):

Uh, uh, Trevor. Uh, Trevor, I’m gonna go with Trevor. The Trevor the pole <laugh> polish, Trevor, I’ve seen dogs hit by falling weights in gyms. Oh, that sucks. Mm-hmm.

Sean Pastuch (25:55):


Sevan Matossian (25:56):

Uh, David from, uh, this, this guy from Spain. I mean, they, they don’t even have internet there. They haven’t hamster. He is like the Mickey d wifi is awful. Shut it. Hey. Um, did you, in 2011, had you met your wife yet?

Sean Pastuch (26:09):

Oh yeah.

Sevan Matossian (26:10):

Uh, and where did you meet her?

Sean Pastuch (26:12):

University of Maryland.

Sevan Matossian (26:14):

Oh, so you guys have been together a long time.

Sean Pastuch (26:15):

Yeah, I met her in April, or I, I met her in March. We started kind of dating, uh, in April of my senior year,

Sevan Matossian (26:27):

Which would be 1990. Oh no, 2000 what? 2002? 2005. Two five. I was doing me, I was doing me. I was doing me <laugh>. Uh, uh, his, his internet’s clear. Um, I hear and see him fine. Uh, good, good. Okay. Good morning to you too. Okay. Uh, and then did you say your dad was a chiropractor?

Sean Pastuch (26:51):

My dad and my uncle. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (26:55):

And just to give people a little idea of what chiropractors are, people who believe that, um, they kind of align with CrossFit because they believe that the body can heal itself. Lifestyle choices are paramount to the success of your health.

Sean Pastuch (27:12):

Chiropractic, I think actually has a lot of similar strengths and it’s, um, what’s the best way to put it? Strengths. And it’s not weaknesses, but it’s difficulties that CrossFit has in that no two chiropractors are the same. Okay. And so to, to, you know. Yeah. Some chiropractors love CrossFit. Some chiropractors would say You nobody should ever do it. That kind of weight is way too dangerous. I can’t tell you the number of people who’ve come to us, because when they first came in, it was, my doctor told me I should only lift 55 pounds. No more than that. Right. Well, why not 56? Right? Why not 54?

Sevan Matossian (27:51):

Uh, but but I meant, sorry, b big picture going up to like, you know, the a hundred thousand foot view chiropractic is an empowering, I ideally a chiropractor would be the kind of person who believes in personal responsibility and accountability. It’s like, hey, if you’re, uh, maybe a regular doctor, be like, Hey, uh, you might be like, my back hurts. And a regular doctor might give you orthopedics where a chiropractor would be like, Hey, you should consider walking barefoot, uh, for an hour a day. Right. You’re more,

Sean Pastuch (28:17):


Sevan Matossian (28:17):

Think you’re more the other way.

Sean Pastuch (28:18):

I think you’re more likely to get that in the chiropractor’s office, but I but you’ll, you’ll run the gamut. You’ll get people who tell you, you gotta come in every week for the rest of your life and get adjusted, or you’re gonna get sick and die and all that. Like, so it’s, it’s, it runs the whole gamut.

Sevan Matossian (28:32):

Okay. Um, is, um, I think of chiropractor. What about, um, it really, it’s not Yeah, that sucks. I can see that as you’re saying that. I’m thinking of chiropractors. Who, what kind are you before I judge, tell you which one? I don’t like a

Sean Pastuch (28:45):

Retired one.

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

Oh, you are retired. You don’t mess. You’re not,

Sean Pastuch (28:49):

I haven’t, I haven’t touched the patient since December 31st, 2017. That was my last day in clinical practice and in the gym. I basically exchanged my ownership in, in, in my practice, um, handed over the gym to the, to my clinical partner, uh, for the opportunity to pursue what I’m doing now.

Sevan Matossian (29:07):

But, so, and, and now your your, your practice now is strictly the PTO method.

Sean Pastuch (29:14):

I don’t think anyone’s ever called it that before, but I’m

Sevan Matossian (29:16):

Happy. I know. I’m rebranding it. I’m a branding genius. You have to understand this active life thing isn’t gonna, isn’t I need the poch method. You’re right. Method is, uh, the same as active. Those of us who know what the active life is, call it the Poch method.

Sean Pastuch (29:29):

I think you’re right. I’ve been holding myself back with a, with a business name. Um, so now

Sevan Matossian (29:34):

It sounds good though, doesn’t it? I made that up on the fly. That’s for you. The past method, 800 pages, ladies and gentlemen. 13 months of intensive study. That’s right. You can embody and learn the paste method.

Sean Pastuch (29:47):

You got the time and the book size right. Uh, the name. We’re gonna, we’re gonna, we can, I’ll tell you what, we’ll, we’ll get together off fair and we’ll brainstorm. Okay. And and you can, you can make a documentary about our brainstorm. Alright,

Sevan Matossian (29:58):

That’s good. I like it.

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