Sevan Matossian (00:02):
Hi. And we’re live. I was a few. I have this since I do this show every morning, like I know where I’m supposed to be every minute from 6:00 AM to the second the show starts, right? Cause I’ve done it so many times. 6 0 2, turn on the coffee maker, 6 31 drying my left armpit, 6 32 dry. And today I was like, this looks, this looks off. I look like I’m off by a minute or two.
Adam Kramer (00:28):
It’s like 10 o’clock here. I’ve been pumping already.
Sevan Matossian (00:32):
Yeah. What time do you get up?
Adam Kramer (00:35):
Uh, it kind of depends what I do the day before, but today I woke up around five.
Sevan Matossian (00:41):
Adam Kramer (00:43):
Coffee. I had cold coffee sitting next to my, uh, bed stand today.
Sevan Matossian (00:48):
Just drank from the night before.
Adam Kramer (00:50):
From the night before.
Sevan Matossian (00:51):
Dude, that’s hardcore. I, I appre, I, I I appreciate that. I respect that.
Adam Kramer (00:55):
Straight to the gym. Dry cleaners, bunch of phone calls, little bit of barbershop meeting.
Sevan Matossian (01:03):
Okay. Uh, what do you get dry cleaned. And what were you doing at the barbershop? These are two stories that I’m, I questioned.
Adam Kramer (01:09):
So I, I have some, uh, I’m wild with my clothes, man. So I had grease uhhuh on one of my dress shirts. Uhhuh
Sevan Matossian (01:18):
Adam Kramer (01:19):
I’m like, man, I hope this comes out.
Sevan Matossian (01:21):
Uh, and why do you have dress shirts? Who do you see with dress shirts? Like meeting with people from the state, like being like, like politicians and
Adam Kramer (01:27):
Politicians, high level funders.
Sevan Matossian (01:30):
Adam Kramer (01:31):
Uh, you know, I gotta play the part. So I got lucky, like a year ago, Lululemon, the local Lululemon, which I, I get made fun of sometimes for this. But they asked me to be an ambassador, so they gave
Sevan Matossian (01:44):
Me, I love it.
Adam Kramer (01:45):
They gave me a bunch of dress clothes, Uhhuh
Sevan Matossian (01:47):
Adam Kramer (01:47):
So I got all these expensive dress clothes,
Sevan Matossian (01:50):
Like, like stuff with collars, like stuff with collars and belt loops. And I
Adam Kramer (01:54):
Stained them up, so I gotta take ’em to the dry cleaner. And, uh, and then the barber shop, I usually stop. I just randomly stop in once or twice a week. And, uh, just kind of hang out, meet people. The barbershop, you know, the barbers, uh, they’re pretty engaged with some of our boys. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So they’ll, the boys will stop in the barbershop, get their haircut, and they’ll act, you know, little informal, informal, uh, mentoring going on, uh, Uhhuh <affirmative>. So getting little updates.
Sevan Matossian (02:26):
There’s this, there’s this guy I have on the show on Fridays, I do a UFC show, and he’s a former UFC welterweight, and his name is, um, uh, Darienne Weeks black dude. And he, and he, and he owns a barbershop also. It’s called, I think it’s called like the Weekly Cut, kind of like a playoff of his name. Yeah. But also like, Hey, come in here every week. And I thought that was kind of cool because, you know, like for me, my, my lifestyle around the barber is, is like, wait as long as possible till that shit’s just so long that I look like a Muppet and then go in and cut it. But for some people it’s like part of their
Adam Kramer (03:01):
Sevan Matossian (03:03):
Yeah. It’s like part of their, uh, routine. It’s where they go to hang out, they know people, they get tightened up. And I just thought that was cool. It’s, it’s like just like a, a, a social or cultural thing that I’m completely fucking oblivious to.
Adam Kramer (03:14):
Yeah. I mean, I cut my own hair. I, there’s not much to it. I can’t, can’t justify wasting 50 bucks a week on a shape up.
Sevan Matossian (03:24):
Um, you know, I, I don’t, uh, it’s funny. Um, I, I always brag on this show that I don’t believe, I don’t believe in, in gender roles. Like, do whatever the fuck you want. You wanna wear a pink dress and carry a chainsaw. Like, I don’t give a shit. But whenever I hear about cutting your own hair, I do put that in my things that I don’t do that I wish I did do that I think would make me, I don’t know if a man is the right word, but at least more of an independent human being. It’s one of the things I’m most embarrassed about, that I’ve never just taken a shaver to my head and cut my hair. It seems like just like a fundamental, like,
Adam Kramer (03:57):
Sevan Matossian (03:57):
I gotta get one under my belt before I die.
Adam Kramer (04:00):
I mean, my forehead gets bigger every day.
Sevan Matossian (04:03):
<laugh>, every time you cut it, it’s like,
Adam Kramer (04:05):
So there’s no, like my hairline is back here, and then when it grows, it grows like this. But nothing grows right here. Well,
Sevan Matossian (04:13):
You, you have, you have, there’s a shadow there. There’s a five o’clock shadow there. A little bit. Yeah.
Adam Kramer (04:17):
It’s like this, this spot right here. I get little kids that I coach, I’ll be sitting down and they’ll walk up and just rub this part of my head.
Sevan Matossian (04:26):
Oh, that’s nice. <laugh>. I cut mine. I look Peaky blinder, but it’s saved a lot of, uh, a lot of cash. Look, you’re, you’re, you’re, you have the same shirt in your, uh, profile picture that I’m wearing today. I love it. Hmm. Not you, not you. I need to send you a shirt.
Adam Kramer (04:41):
Yeah, I’d love the shirt. Who could send you too.
Sevan Matossian (04:44):
I’d love to send you a shirt. Um, do you know, Adam, do you know how you popped on my radar?
Adam Kramer (04:48):
Sevan Matossian (04:50):
From Mr. Waddel
Adam Kramer (04:51):
Old Jimmy Waddell?
Sevan Matossian (04:53):
Yeah. How do you, how do you know him?
Adam Kramer (04:56):
<laugh>. So in 2018, I got an invite to the MDL m was it the MDL at CF headquarters?
Sevan Matossian (05:06):
Yeah. The, the, it’s, it’s a, uh, CrossFit level one seminar, but for doctors only.
Adam Kramer (05:10):
Well, they, they invited a bunch of nonprofits out there too.
Sevan Matossian (05:13):
Adam Kramer (05:14):
So I’m, I’m up in there, you know, and I walked through the back door and I seen two dudes with flannel shirts and jeans, uhhuh <affirmative>. And I’m like, I want to know who those dudes are.
Sevan Matossian (05:26):
You know, you recognize if your shirt’s not tucked in, what that means.
Adam Kramer (05:30):
What, yeah. I mean,
Sevan Matossian (05:33):
It means you got something in the waistband you don’t want anyone to see.
Adam Kramer (05:36):
Right. And, and plus everyone else, you know, besides, you know, Greg Glassman was dressed like a CrossFitter from what I could see. Yeah. And, uh, I was with a guy who was a colonel in Delta Force, and he had on khakis with a plaid shirt tucked into his belt with dress shoes. So he didn’t fit the part. And, uh, so we got introduced to Martin and Jim Waddell, and I couldn’t leave their side all weekend. They were like my two guys. And then I, I came back home and I told, uh, the founder of Green Beret Project, who was a Green Beret, and, uh, he’s currently an FBI agent. I’m like, yo, there’s this super dynamic guy. Jim’s former da. I’m like, you gotta meet him. So I connect those two over the phone. Next thing you know, our founders like that guy’s, our new executive director. And I’m like, oh,
Sevan Matossian (06:31):
Adam Kramer (06:33):
He’s like, no, man, that guy’s awesome. And I just identified it right away over the phone. We talked for like two hours and we recruited him to be the executive director of Greenbury Project.
Sevan Matossian (06:42):
Yeah. He’s a special guy.
Adam Kramer (06:44):
Yeah. So since 2018, I’ve probably, you know, I’ve been in, spent hours and hours on the phone. I’ve only been in his presence like three or four times, but I’ve spent countless hours over the phone with him.
Sevan Matossian (06:58):
So he’s so enjoyable. Uh, he’s, so, I’ve, I’ve, uh, been fortunate to hang out with him a lot and he’s so enjoyable. Great sense of humor. A crazy well-read.
Adam Kramer (07:08):
Sevan Matossian (07:09):
Uh, yeah. And, and, uh, the, you know, the kind of guy that like you could, you would want as a, a father or a brother-in-law, or like, immediately you kind of like, huh, how could I get this guy in my family?
Adam Kramer (07:21):
Yeah. He’s like, uh, he’s like the fun uncle.
Sevan Matossian (07:26):
Uh, um, are you, are you a Christian Adam?
Adam Kramer (07:29):
Sevan Matossian (07:30):
Were you always a Christian?
Adam Kramer (07:31):
Sevan Matossian (07:33):
And, and, and when did that happen?
Adam Kramer (07:36):
Oh man. Three months into a prison sentence. Well, I wasn’t sentenced yet. The feds had said, uh, they threw out some numbers that were equaled life <laugh>. And, uh, meaning
Sevan Matossian (07:49):
You would be behind bars equal to e equal, you’d die in there by, by. The numbers were so big. Okay.
Adam Kramer (07:54):
So they, what they do is, you know, I had this, uh, I had a large marijuana charge, large cocaine charge of money laundering. And that was just the beginning. They probably could have unfolded many more charges, and they just say, Hey man, you’re gonna get what we call continuing career enterprise, which is automatic life in prison. And, uh, I knew that was, you know, I knew somehow my, in my heart, my brain that that just wasn’t gonna happen, you know? But I knew it was a large bargaining chip on their end. And, uh, but, you know, I was angry. You know, I was angry at the inmates, angry friends, angry at the cos. I was angry at people. I couldn’t even remember why I was angry.
Sevan Matossian (08:35):
How, how old were you?
Adam Kramer (08:37):
Sevan Matossian (08:37):
Adam Kramer (08:39):
When that ha that was back in, uh, 2007. You know, so I’m sitting in this, in this holdover prison waiting to get sentenced. And there’s like, you know, I’m in an area where we had a lot of dudes from Philly, Jersey City and New City, and then Wilmington, Delaware, like, you know, large scale criminal operation type dudes. And I remember this one dude, he was a blood and a, he was a blood gang member. And he came up to me and he’s like, he’s like, Hey man, I’m praying for you. And I was like, Hey man, I’m not scared white boy. Say that again. We’re gonna go lock in that cell, you know? And, and I meant it. And, uh, you know, so a couple days went by and, and this other dude that didn’t really know him, he came up to me and he was like, Hey, Kramer, I’m praying for you. And this dude would’ve, I mean, he would’ve mopped the floor with me. And I slammed his bible on the floor.
Sevan Matossian (09:36):
Oh, he handed you a Bible?
Adam Kramer (09:38):
Well, it was sitting like it was on the table. He was sitting down, I was standing up and he had a bible next to him. And I slapped his bible on the floor. I was just testing him like, like, do something, you know, you just told me you’re praying for me. I knocked your Bible on the floor. What are you gonna
Sevan Matossian (09:53):
Adam Kramer (09:54):
And he just laughed. And he was like, you can’t stop me for praying for you back in my prison cell. And then I went back to my prison cell and all my criminal ways of thinking. I’m like, how can I be mad at a guy who’s just said he is praying for me? And both these dudes were facing like a significant, like decades in jail for their, for their crimes. And uh, man,
Sevan Matossian (10:18):
They were waiting for, they were waiting for trial too.
Adam Kramer (10:20):
Right. And dude, it bothered me a lot that hell, like, even keel, he was that bo that made me angry too. And, uh, you know, watching all the gang bangers, watching all, you know, dudes from other religions, you know, you, you’re, you’re on the block with them 24 hours a day besides when you lock in at nighttime and you just, you just see the, the, uh, the chaotic behaviors. And, and they’re, they’re like angry, you know? And then they’re even, and then they’re, they’re just, all their emotions are all over the place. And, uh, and not all the Christians, but you know, most of these Christian dudes on the block, it just bothered me how they could handle different situations. And I was with them for like, I mean, so that went on for like three or four months. And then, uh, I went,
Sevan Matossian (11:11):
Sorry, just for, just for, uh, a placement. This isn’t the prison yet. This is still like county jail you’re in.
Adam Kramer (11:17):
So it was a county jail that had a contract with the federal government to house 150 federal inmates.
Sevan Matossian (11:25):
And how long were you in, you were in there during the court case. How long, how long was that?
Adam Kramer (11:29):
Sevan Matossian (11:31):
Before you switched to another prison?
Adam Kramer (11:33):
Sevan Matossian (11:34):
Holy fuck. Okay, sorry. Okay. Go on.
Adam Kramer (11:36):
No grass. Like the only thing you could see was the sky. You couldn’t, when you went to the yard, they had, uh, you know, metal walls where you couldn’t see out the outside. You could just see the sky.
Sevan Matossian (11:50):
So you didn’t see the horizon for three
Adam Kramer (11:52):
Years? No. Every once in a while I could see an airplane through like a tiny prison window. I had. Um, so like, I started going down to the, uh, the church service, but I literally was just going down there to meet my co-defendant who was on different blocks so we could talk about our case and what was going on and who, you know, who was telling and who was, you know, ready to testify against us. And, uh, one day this pastor was in there and he was like, um, he was like, oh, I did 18 years in prison. And, you know, he was talking about, you know, smoke a crack and prostitutes and his robberies. And I’m like, man, this guy looks put together though, you know? So that like, was weighing in my heart. And then I signed up for Na, aa, go see the chaplain. I signed up to, uh, to go see this pastor just to get off the block cuz I was just bored. And, uh, this pastor dude is like, love you man. And I would be like, F you, you don’t even know me. You know, like a child.
Sevan Matossian (12:57):
You would, you would say that to him,
Adam Kramer (12:59):
Right? To his face every Monday I would go back and, and just cuss him out, cuss him out for like two months trying to take him. Like just testing him. And man, finally I’m like, what’s with you man? You’re, you’re breaking me down. Like you’re breaking me down. I you’re making me mad through the whole week and you don’t even know that you’re making me mad. And that’s like, to me, I’m like, he’s getting me twice. And, uh, and finally it just broke. I’m like, man, what do I do? And he said, Reid, you know, he’s given me this old, like, Baptist adage, he’s like, read John chapter three. And I’m like, I’m gonna read John chapter three and I’m gonna read the whole freaking New Testament, you know, just to prove you wrong. And man, I was at, I mean, it’s, it was like a miracle.
I was reading through the New Testament in my prison cell and I could just feel like it was making me calm. And then I’d put the Bible down, I’d go out on the prison block and I’d be like, you know, I’d be trying to do, you know, I’d be working out playing pee knuckle playing Scrabble and, and it was just driving me like my, I just couldn’t settle on my inside. So I’m like, in my head I’m like, you know what alls I know is that’s making me feel all right. I don’t really understand what I’m reading yet and I’m just gonna keep studying it and try to understand it. And uh, so 2008 I was, you know, facing the worst external circumstances in my life, but I never felt more at peace. So I’m like, whatever, I’m gonna go with this. And if I go to jail for prison forever long, which that’s just what it’s gonna be. I can’t keep, I can’t keep thinking about it, you know, I’m gonna have like a freaking anxiety attack or heart attack or something. And uh, was
Sevan Matossian (14:41):
There one moment in time where you just accepted it?
Adam Kramer (14:45):
I don’t, you know, people outside all the time. I think it was just like a lot of events just kind of kept happening over the course of a few months. And uh, it just kind of slowly changed. And even like at one point my co-defendant and I were back on the block together and, uh, he, he went in my cell and found my Bible and ran out on the block. He’s like, what’s this? What’s this? He’s like, what are you doing? And I’m like, Hey man. He’s like hustling coffee on the block, trying to get me to hustle coffee with him and, and barter. And I’m like, dude, like we were doing that on the street. This, I’m not gonna sit in his jail and hustle coffee.
Sevan Matossian (15:26):
He wanted to continue the business inside. Yeah,
Adam Kramer (15:29):
Yeah. He was just the, he was running this gambling racket and I’m just like, dude, I can’t be a part of it right now. Just can’t do it. Uh, yeah. So, you know, that went on for like three years and uh, man, I just asked all the questions I could and, you know, I didn’t wanna be some guy like, oh, I’m just jailhouse religion type of thing, you know, I wouldn’t be no like a fake, you know, even my old man, I had made up with my dad and he came to visit me and I’m like, Hey, hey man, I’m reading the Bible. He was like, whatever. He was like, you’ll do anything to keep your mind occupied. I know you, you’re, you’re bored and you’re just reading the only thing that you have in front of you. And I’m like, yeah, that might be the case, but it’s making me feel good. And he said, we’ll see when you get out, we’ll see. And I’m like, you know, you know, that’s fair enough because he went through years of turmoil, you know, never knowing if he was gonna get a call saying, oh your son’s dead, you know? And he got many a calls from, uh, I mean, I was arrested 11 times just in Delaware. I learned with 29 charges.
Sevan Matossian (16:32):
Adam Kramer (16:33):
I got multiple charges in Pennsylvania. You know, I live in an area where I can be in New Jersey, Pennsylvania, or Maryland within 20 minutes. So I got arrested in all those states. And, uh, yeah, I mean that’s wild times. Do,
Sevan Matossian (16:48):
Do, do you remember, um, when, when you’re like, wow, I’m a Christian. When you identify with it like that?
Adam Kramer (16:54):
I think it was like early in 2008.
Sevan Matossian (16:57):
And, and, and when you say that, um, is it, does that mean that you’re gonna practice the tenants? Like,
Adam Kramer (17:03):
Hey man, there’s love God with all your heart, soul of mind and love people as you love yourself. You know, and and on those two commandments, all the other 10 commandments hang, I mean that’s, that’s a New Testament what Jesus teaches in the, uh, in the Bible.
Sevan Matossian (17:17):
Oh, would you say those are values?
Adam Kramer (17:20):
Yeah, I mean there’s another verse that says, uh, that they really taught me that it helped me a lot. Cause you gotta understand, I lived a criminal life from the ages, even from a even a younger age. You know, there’s a lot of crime being done. And then when I was 15 is when I really started taking off. So from 15 to 27, I’m committing crime every day. And, uh, that’s, that’s all I knew, you know, is how to, how to commit crime and make money. And we were, we weren’t too bad at it besides our, uh, addictions on the side. But it said love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and meekness means like being able to negotiate in a calm manner and temperance, which is self-control. But at the end of those nine it says, against these, there is no law. And I’m like, boom. Cuz I don’t like, even though I’m a Christian, I’m like, if you let me outta this jail right now, I’m going straight to the bar, I’m drinking, I’m probably gonna get some lines of coke. And, and some women, like, that’s how I feel in my heart. And I don’t care what you say, yeah, I believe in this, but I still feel like doing this.
Sevan Matossian (18:23):
Adam Kramer (18:24):
So, so when I h you know, love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance against these, it’s no such law. I’m like, okay, so I need to figure out how to live like this and then I don’t have to worry about breaking the law because I don’t know how to live at this point. Even though I got, you know, I had a college degree, it didn’t matter. I, you know, that college degree was for a coverup and you know, we were paying for other kids college tuitions to go to college to sell drugs, you know, because what’s 60, 70 Gs a year, if you’re making a couple hundred for us on the back end. But, uh,
Sevan Matossian (19:01):
You, you were in this 15 to 20 in, in this uh, 12 year run. You, you also went to college while you were running this business, this drug business. So
Adam Kramer (19:10):
Could I saw the, uh, the post to make it clear I wasn’t making 10 million when I was 15. It more so started small, you know, I was making like 500 or a thousand bucks a week.
Sevan Matossian (19:22):
Adam Kramer (19:23):
And uh, you know, I went through, I threw, you know, I was on my way to D one four ride baseball and uh, you know, I was a wrestler and a football player to stay in shape to be a good catcher on the, on the baseball diamond. And, uh, selling drugs was just like, it was a whole bunch of boys that didn’t have dads growing up in a blue collar neighborhood. That’s who we were. You know, brick layers, plumbers, you name it. Any type of construction we’d work to cover up, meet other drug dealers. You know, the D one thing went out the window cuz I was getting arrested and my grades weren’t that great. And I went to the local community college, majored in sports ma I majored in construction management and they dropped the major. And then I, I switched one day. They were like, you need a new major? And I’m like, looking down the list, uh, sports management, boom, I’ll do that. And that was like, you know, I don’t know if anyone listen ever took a sports management degree, but it didn’t, I didn’t learn anything.
Sevan Matossian (20:25):
That’s exactly what I did too. After like five years as, as a undergrad, then I started just looking like, hey, how, how am I gonna get outta here? Yeah. I started just looking for stuff where my, my classes lined up. Hey, how long, how did you, did you ever carry a gun?
Adam Kramer (20:39):
Sevan Matossian (20:40):
How, how long did you deal before you carried a gun? Was it yours?
Adam Kramer (20:44):
Uh, so I was honestly was scared to carry a gun because I’m the type of guy that’s like, Hey, if I have a spoon, I’m gonna eat some soup.
Sevan Matossian (20:52):
Adam Kramer (20:53):
<laugh>. Right. And I knew that about myself and uh, the other guys knew that about me. So like, if we walked into a dangerous deal, it’d be like, okay, we might need to, you know, we’re gonna need to strap up on this one. But like, I didn’t just carry a gun just to carry a gun because I, cuz I drank a lot and I would black out and do, you know, I would fight and, uh, I knew if I was blacked out and I got in a fight, there’d be there’d, I’d no doubt in my mind I’d get that thing out and I’d use it.
Sevan Matossian (21:25):
Adam Kramer (21:26):
So I never, I’d never tried to carry, like, it wasn’t a normal practice for me. I was kind of nervous.
Sevan Matossian (21:32):
Was it just for when you would carry a gun? Did you ever carry ’em into marijuana deals or just Coke deals? I always thought that there was kind of like a thing there because, you know what I mean? Like, I used to sell a lot of weed and then, but none of the weed dealers really carried guns. But you knew that the Coke dealers carried guns and shit always got a little weird like Yeah, that, when I hear that, I didn’t know that you dealt with coke either, that shit, because those people start to get a little crazy
Adam Kramer (21:54):
Little hairy. And we, so we, we didn’t deal coke in a large amount. We didn’t get like two or three kilos at a time. But the thing of it is, most of the, the Coke and the good coke around here is coming from like Dominicans up in New York. Right. You know, we never dealt with, uh, there’s a, there’s a heavy Mexican cartel thing around here. Never tried to deal with them. And we would deal with these Dominicans and, and you know, they, they were more dangerous. But we used cocaine more as a bartering tool with rich white people.
Sevan Matossian (22:27):
Uh, what do you mean? What do you mean? Like what, gimme an example.
Adam Kramer (22:31):
Hey man, you know guys that own dealerships got cars. We got good products. Ah, guys that own restaurants. Hey man, you know what they’re about. Right? Right. So we can get in the door free the club, we can get free cars. So it was more of a, a bartering thing for us because, you know, we were getting really good blow. Right. And it was cooking back and I, I people were overdosing, you know, it’s like, because we, we were still young. Right. And you still got kids in college. And once that happened a couple times, I’m like, this is scary man. Like, we’re making so much damn money off the weed, why don’t we just, you know, like there was a e even a period of gap in time when I was like 20, 21. The Fed were on us and I stopped dealing. I graduated college, I legit tried to go get a real job.
Yeah. And they offered me, it was at a single, a baseball organization under the Kansas City Royals and they offered me like 35 grand a year. And I’m like, what, 35 grand a year? I’m making that in like a couple months, less than a couple months. So that’s when I was like, you know what, I’m gonna stop playing the fence here, meaning I’m gonna like, you know, for a long time I was like a student and a drug dealer. Right. And that’s, and then I was like, okay, I’m either gonna be in the workforce or I’m gonna be a drug dealer. Like I can’t, we’re getting too old to play the fence. It’s too dangerous. So I’m like, I still like doing what I want, what I want, how I want. I still like partying. So, uh, my girlfriend broke off with me and uh, I was full fledged.
Sevan Matossian (24:13):
Right on. How, how did you know that the feds were tracking you?
Adam Kramer (24:17):
Because one of my bodies was like, the feds approached me. They tried to arrest me for a very small amount of drugs. And fortunately my boy was, uh, <laugh>. He was, he was this wild cat that wasn’t scared of the cops. And he was like, man, I had an ounce of weed on me and the feds he me up and they said, we want you to put a wire on and go catch Kramer and this other guy. And he told ’em, you know, put me in jail. It’s an ounce of weed. What are you gonna do? Yeah. And he told us and I’m like, man, I’m, I’m done right now.
Sevan Matossian (24:47):
Yeah. That’ll scare the shit outta you.
Adam Kramer (24:49):
Yeah. 20 years old knowing fedra on you. It’s like we’re out.
Sevan Matossian (24:53):
Um, to to you weren’t growing marijuana, you were buying it and then selling it
Adam Kramer (24:59):
Straight from the grower. So we cut out all the middlemen and went straight for the grower in Canada and that’s who we were dealing with.
Sevan Matossian (25:05):
And would you, would you go take it back and forth across the border yourself?
Adam Kramer (25:08):
No, that wasn’t our job. They contract people out to do that. We’re the, we’re the buyer, they gotta get it to us.
Sevan Matossian (25:15):
And and did they have someone on the inside, uh, at the border to get, do you know how they got it across? Did you ever hear stories?
Adam Kramer (25:21):
No questions. Wasn’t my, you know, the old saint’s, none of my business. And that’s some business you just, I didn’t really want to know, you know? Right. Too much. You know, too much.
Sevan Matossian (25:31):
You gotta sell a lot of weed if you’re not to grow. I, I used to grow all my weed, so I would sell and I would sell it and I would sell it for $60 a bag. I mean, so, so the profits were pretty, were pretty good. But to, I mean that’s a, that you know what I mean? Like, if you sell 10 bags in a day, you got 600 bucks. I mean, sh I
Adam Kramer (25:50):
Mean we were selling like, uh, I’d get, I don’t know, 3, 400, 500 pounds every
Sevan Matossian (25:57):
Oh my three weeks. God
Adam Kramer (26:00):
Couldn’t find one seed in there.
Sevan Matossian (26:02):
Oh my god.
Adam Kramer (26:03):
And, and the minimum price we were buying was 2200 per, but we were selling for at least 4,200 per
Sevan Matossian (26:11):
Oh my goodness. So that’s what you, you didn’t sell. I was selling eighths. You were selling pounds, you would sell a pound to someone.
Adam Kramer (26:17):
There was a point in time where if you didn’t have 250 K in cash. Yeah. Don’t, don’t even talk to us.
Sevan Matossian (26:24):
Wow. And so you were sell it would get dis distributed all over the United States?
Adam Kramer (26:29):
No, just down the east coast. Try to keep it tight.
Sevan Matossian (26:33):
And, and how, how, how would the, um, how do you, what’s the packaging like for that much marijuana? Is it on a pallet or
Adam Kramer (26:41):
These ding Dons would come down some mostly, you know, vacuum sealed individual pounds and like a, uh, like a hockey bag.
Sevan Matossian (26:52):
Adam Kramer (26:53):
Like one time these ding Dons show up and they got like a pickup truck with like, they would always come with whatever they grew is what they would sense. So it’d be like 313 or 280. Right. One time it was just a whole bunch of loose pounds in the back of a pickup truck with trash bags over it. And this freaking fat guy with a overalls, a no T-shirt, no socks or shoes on, gets out. And I’m like, what the freak is going on here? Wow. And and then my partner was like, you, you can’t talk to them like that. And I’m like, yo man, he’s gonna get us all pinched. Like never send that guy again. And then they started wisen up and they’d send like old ladies in a Lincoln Town car with a couple hundred pounds in the back. It was always sketchy.
Sevan Matossian (27:35):
Always. Um, and and did you have competitors? Did you have in India area?
Adam Kramer (27:41):
Yeah, but Delaware is such a small place that you just know who all the players are. So it was like, look man, you know, no one’s out for blood around here. We didn’t even do most of our dealing in Delaware. You try to cuz it’s, so we, we have 995,000 people here, you know, so I got 16 cousins here, like people know Right. And uh, but we got the University of Delaware, which is a lot of people and you know, a lot of kids from like Long Island, New York, north Jersey come down and, and you get to know them people. And then you got kids coming up from Baltimore and you get to know them. So you start meeting these people from outta state and that’s where you wanna do most of your, uh, your business. Like you don’t want to <laugh>, I’m not even gonna answer that question.
Sevan Matossian (28:30):
Wow. Uh, do you know Hunt? Did you know Hunter?
Adam Kramer (28:33):
Uh, I don’t know him personally, no, but Oh, okay. It’s Delaware. So
Sevan Matossian (28:38):
Everyone kind of knows everyone.
Adam Kramer (28:40):
Yeah. I mean I’ve been swimming in, in old Smokey Joe’s pool before.
Sevan Matossian (28:45):
Adam Kramer (28:47):
<laugh>, he lives like five minutes down the road,
Sevan Matossian (28:50):
<laugh>. Oh my goodness. So his what a small world. His uh,
Adam Kramer (28:54):
His daughter’s my age and we, I used to, so I used to work for her actually a few years ago. She’s, uh, she’s actually very, her his daughter’s, I will say she’s a very caring young woman. And uh,
Sevan Matossian (29:08):
You know, those kids have been through some shit, man. Yeah. Those kids like Hunter Biden’s not, I mean, if, if you, if you told us if his dad wasn’t Joe, probably people would have some compassion for him. He’s been through some fu what a fucked up life he’s had.
Adam Kramer (29:21):
I mean, and that’s like, you know, hey man, your dad’s absent, whether it’s your dad’s in jail dead or off doing politics somewhere, you know, there’s missing, you know, his father was missing. Right. And I don’t think people take that into consideration. They just,
Sevan Matossian (29:36):
And his mom died and he’s a, it was a hardcore drug addict. And he’s got, and he’s got really,
Adam Kramer (29:40):
He have values. I mean he was escaping reality, right? Yeah. He was, he was jacked up and I mean, I did the same thing, you know, my dad left, I couldn’t handle it. I was angry, started doing drugs, hanging out with the wrong people. Boom. Next thing I know, selling all these drugs. Adam, where did your dad go? Uh, you know him and, uh, and my.
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