#828 – Rich Froning | Greatest Open Performer of All Time

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Sevan Matossian (00:01):

I put some, I put some product in my hair cuz Rich was coming on.

Mattew Souza (00:04):

It looks nice. You look good.

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

Thank you. Bam. We’re live. I wonder, I wonder if Rich uses any product. I wonder if, like, does he, if he advertise product, like if he, he would probably move the needle on that.

Mattew Souza (00:18):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like a certain gel he uses or something? Or like a

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

Yeah, there was, there was one year at the games, and I remember, uh, asking, um, was it be in the behind the scenes? It was so funny. And, uh, I think I asked, uh, James Hobart, I was like, I wonder what kind of, um, uh, suntan, uh, sunscreen rich uses. And Hobart goes, I don’t know, but if you find out that company’s gonna skyrocket <laugh>. And I, and then Rich walks up and he heard what we were talking about. He goes, I don’t use sunscreen. And then Hobart goes, all sunscreen companies are going outta business <laugh>. Like, he didn’t miss a beat. You know what I mean?

Mattew Souza (00:57):


Sevan Matossian (00:57):

Yeah. He’s like, all sunscreen companies are going outta business

Rich Froning (01:00):


Sevan Matossian (01:01):

I don’t use sunscreen.

Mattew Souza (01:04):


Sevan Matossian (01:06):

Hey dude, I’m looking at this. Uh, there’s, there’s a, there’s a post, um, that I sent you

Mattew Souza (01:13):

In the notes.

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

No, no. It’s about the, uh, U USA weightlifting. I Is it u s USA weightlifting? I need to see exactly what it is again, I forget. But someone, some organization. Let me see what it is. It was, it was, uh,

Rich Froning (01:27):


Speaker 4 (01:28):

Minnesota Court is forcing USA power

Sevan Matossian (01:30):

Lifting to allow transgender women to

Mattew Souza (01:33):

Up. I have it

Sevan Matossian (01:33):

Here. There it is. Trish already knows. Look it. Trish already knows. Oh God. I won’t bring this up. One riches here.

Mattew Souza (01:41):

<laugh>. Hi. Saved.

Sevan Matossian (01:44):

Edit the show. Yeah. <laugh>. We’ll, we’ll get back to USA Power lifting while when Rich is gone.

Rich Froning (01:49):

<laugh>, uhoh, uhoh.

Mattew Souza (01:51):

We’re not gonna start that hot though.

Sevan Matossian (01:52):

<laugh>. Yeah. Dude, that’s a fucking, that background is sharp.

Rich Froning (01:56):

It’s just, uh, it’s just a metal wall.

Sevan Matossian (02:00):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s really sharp. Hey, what’s up tr and a boy? He

Rich Froning (02:03):

Can’t hear you. Say, Hey.

Sevan Matossian (02:04):

Hey. What’s up dude?

Rich Froning (02:06):

Hey, <laugh>.

Mattew Souza (02:08):


Rich Froning (02:11):

What I miss? What are we doing? What we

Sevan Matossian (02:13):

Talking about? Nothing. I was, I just, I’m just really excited. I I just leave it at this usa Power lifting is allowing men to compete in the women’s class, and I just can’t wait till a fucking man enters the women’s competition at CrossFit. I, Hey, Hey. Lemme just ask you this in an all serious note without a bling political at all.

Rich Froning (02:29):

Yep. I It’s not political. <laugh> <laugh>. It’s political. Uh, I don’t understand how that’s political.

Sevan Matossian (02:38):

You’re right. Okay. Without getting into the science of it, let ask this. I think CrossFit’s, I think science,

Rich Froning (02:43):

It’s common science. Sorry.

Sevan Matossian (02:47):

What? I think CrossFit’s too hard. I think CrossFit’s too hard. Like, like, you know what I mean? Like, I understand like, if you’re a dude and then you, you, you, I don’t know. It just seems like power lifting’s easier to, I don’t know. It just seems like CrossFit’s too hard. Do you think we’re ever gonna get a dude who’s gonna enter the women’s comp? Uh, I mean like, like as a serious contender. I mean, I, I know we already do have it, but do you think

Rich Froning (03:11):

I don’t know. I I mean, it’s just, like I said, it just comes down to common sense at this point. Like, I

Sevan Matossian (03:17):

Would You do it rich. You could win. It could be money. No,

Rich Froning (03:20):

I dunno if I could win. I dunno if I could win, man. I dunno if I could win

Rich Froning (03:24):

<laugh>. <laugh>

Rich Froning (03:29):

A trophy. Yep. Win a trophy. Yeah. Wants to know why. If I thought, why, why I think I

Sevan Matossian (03:34):

Could win. Your dad’s a quitter. He, women’s comp,

Rich Froning (03:38):

He’s a quitter.

Sevan Matossian (03:40):

Well, I think the contention, the contention is, is that they think that those, you and I and, and some of us are conv. Oh, that’s a pretty girl. Wow. Oh my goodness. How old’s that? That’s not Lakeland. Who’s that?

Rich Froning (03:51):

That’s Violet. Violet. Uh, just turn five.

Sevan Matossian (03:54):

Wow. Violet. Holy cow.

Rich Froning (03:56):

Yeah, they’re just swinging on rings and we’re in the back facility. So tries just, they’re just flipping and jumping and doing all that stuff. Being kids, you know?

Sevan Matossian (04:06):

Um, awesome. Yeah. Wow. How many you have? You’ll I always ask you this, you four,

Rich Froning (04:10):

Three. Three. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:13):

So the thing is, is that me and you are just convinced me, and you fall in this thing where we’re convinced. Like, if you’re just born a guy, you’re born a guy. It’s like one of those things you can’t change, right? Yeah. Like, like it’s okay to, if you wanna wear a dress or chop your penis off more power too. But you’re still a, you’re still a guy that’s, that’s a

Rich Froning (04:28):

At a certain, at a certain age. Yes. Yes.

Sevan Matossian (04:30):

And then, and, and, but what, but like, but if you transition someone at three, don’t, I think I personally think that’s a, I don’t, I think that’s abuse 30.

Rich Froning (04:37):


Sevan Matossian (04:38):

Cause I just saw they transitioned to kid at three. You can’t do that. Right? That’s like, you should go to jail for that. Maybe.

Rich Froning (04:43):

I I, my opinion, we we should be using common sense at this point. Yeah. And you know, my kid wants to be sonic to hedgehog. Right. I’m not gonna paint him blue and give him spikes, you know, like

Sevan Matossian (04:53):

<laugh>, right? I’ll press if you’re oppressive. I Yeah, you could probably afford that though, to have some steel implants put in your kid the first of an experiment.

Rich Froning (04:59):

Make him fast. Nobody

Sevan Matossian (05:01):

<laugh>. Yeah. You know what Travis bein told me? He said, <laugh> <laugh>. I go, Hey dude, you’re young enough to where you could create another NFL quarterback as a grandchild. Yeah. And he said, yeah. He said, if my son marries a six foot tall black woman, I’ll create the greatest athlete who ever lived <laugh>. I was like, all right. Yeah. Fair. Fair enough.

Rich Froning (05:23):

Fair enough. Fair enough. Logic’s there.

Sevan Matossian (05:25):


Rich Froning (05:26):


Sevan Matossian (05:28):

Um, um, yesterday, yesterday we were talking, we were did a show just kind of like going over the, um, um, 20 the open this year. And one of the guys brought up that it was your worst finish.

Rich Froning (05:43):

Uh, it is my worst finish ever

Sevan Matossian (05:45):

By far. And they were using that as a kind of a point of like, Hey, maybe something’s off with the, uh, with

Rich Froning (05:52):

Programming on one workout slash movement was, yeah. What buried me, really. I mean, if you look at my overall placing, I, I’d purposely stay off the leaderboard until the very last, very end. And I mean, I knew my thruster was not gonna be anything impressive coming back from shoulder and, and, uh, you know, getting my knee back to a functional, um, place. I hadn’t been doing a ton of strength work, so I knew it wasn’t gonna be good. But, um, to see, I guess what that one workout did to an overall score was a little, I mean, frustrating. So

Sevan Matossian (06:25):

Yeah, I have a handful of friends who, who beat people in three workouts and then because of that workout, they finished worse than their, than their friends. I, I, I know a bunch of people. Yeah.

Rich Froning (06:35):

Yeah. I mean, there was one workout that was, well, not even one workout, one movement that was heavily skewed in one direction. Um,

Sevan Matossian (06:42):

The thruster

Rich Froning (06:43):

You’re talking about the thruster? Yeah. Yeah. The thruster. Yeah. The thruster was a, i i I personally, um, just not a huge, I love thrusters. I think they’re a great movement. I don’t like ’em for a one rep max movement. I mean, you can test better with a clean jerk. And I don’t love the one I I don’t know, a one rep max in the open that you, I guess you do have to work to get to, but don’t really have to work to get to. I thought we figured out that was a bad thing to just one rep max in the open. Um, but, you know, it is what it is. It doesn’t matter. You know, like for me, when it grand scheme of things, um, just is what it is.

Sevan Matossian (07:17):

Uh, uh, so someone else was saying that basically there’s, you, there is no one who’s even come close to you in the, in, in your open record period in the 12 years. I think that was, this was your 12th year of doing the open. And if you add all your placings together, it’s, it was like 78.

Rich Froning (07:32):

Yeah. And

Sevan Matossian (07:33):

Then, and then now you finish worse than all of your placings put together

Rich Froning (07:36):

One 20 something. Yeah. So I mean, I would compare, like myself, uh, Tyler Christelle did incredible. I think he was like top five or something like that. I mean, he thrusted 50 more pounds than me. So he, I mean, deserved to be ahead of me. But we were almost comparable on every single workout, like couple seconds or a couple reps in every single workout. And he was fourth or fifth. And then the one, I mean, and here’s the deal though, is you’re gonna be well-rounded and then thrust came up and I’m not good at a thruster. So that’s what happened.

Sevan Matossian (08:03):

Uh, uh, Trish 4 99 split this between the kiddos. They can each buy a Candy.

Rich Froning (08:08):

<laugh>. Thank you. Thank you, Trish.

Mattew Souza (08:10):

Rich, did you get,

Rich Froning (08:11):

That’s the last thing. These kids needed some candy

Mattew Souza (08:13):

<laugh> rich during the thruster. Didn’t you ever just consider taking a little knee bend and a step forward there and adding about 41? Well,

Rich Froning (08:20):

You, you, you could step forward, but you can’t bend your knee,

Mattew Souza (08:23):

Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:25):

Well, you kind of can. But

Rich Froning (08:27):

Who’s, how can you step forward without bending your knee? <laugh>? I, it’s serious. It’s a serious question.

Mattew Souza (08:33):

I don’t think you can,

Rich Froning (08:35):

I don’t think you can. I mean, you can. I mean, I, I like, you’d have to like waddle, but

Sevan Matossian (08:38):

Michael does it in the Halloween movies.

Rich Froning (08:41):

Oh, okay. There you go.

Sevan Matossian (08:43):

Frankenstein did it.

Rich Froning (08:44):


Sevan Matossian (08:46):

Hey, so what happened like 20 minutes before you came on the podcast? Hillary’s like, Hey, you know what? You’re up for the challenge. I’m gonna leave the kids with you while you do the stuff on podcast.

Rich Froning (08:54):

Oh, no, no. The kids come with me pretty much. They go to Mother’s Day out a little like, uh, kind of preschool thing two days a week. But every other day, um, when I wake up, they’re like, you going to the gym? Can I go? And so they’re here every single day just reading havoc. I mean,

Sevan Matossian (09:09):

Are they homeschooled, rich

Rich Froning (09:11):

<laugh>? Uh, we’re not to school yet. That’ll be next year. I, I don’t have the patience to homeschool. I can barely do Lakeland’s homework with her without losing my mind. So, um, that’s not one of my talents is, uh, patience with learning things. What do you mean you can’t understand why C makes a cus sound? You know,

Sevan Matossian (09:29):


Rich Froning (09:30):

I’m, yeah, I’m bad. So, yeah, we What

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

About hiring someone to homeschool ’em?

Rich Froning (09:36):


Sevan Matossian (09:37):

You like school? Is this school good by you?

Rich Froning (09:40):

Yeah, we have a pretty good elementary school here. Um, I don’t really know anymore what, you know, what the middle schooler, when we get to that point, Lakeland goes, she’s in second grade and, uh, Schmid, she actually really likes going to school and enjoys it. She’s a social kid and, um, really they all are as the tri is pinned underneath the dumbbell at the moment. But they’re, you know, they, Lakeland loves it. And so she tried, we tried homeschool with her for one year, and she just, she, well, she didn’t understand why the little two couldn’t, um, didn’t have to do schoolwork while she had to do schoolwork, but, um, she just done way better with school.

Sevan Matossian (10:16):

Hey, don’t do that at the 10 minute mark. Uh, let’s take a break from the Rich Froning, uh, podcast and let’s, um, uh, uh, just drop a piece of wisdom and schooling on all the listeners. I want to show you a comment here. Um, this is a, a lesson. If you want to hang out with cool people, this is the most valuable lesson you’ll ever learn in your life. Here we go. Ladies, watch this comment, this comment from Johnny. And I love Johnny. Thank you for, uh, Johnny, you probably threw this up as an alley up for me. Savon, ask Rich if he can get Michael Chandler on the podcast. Now, Johnny, the lesson here is when someone’s cooler than you and you want to hang out with him, you never ask them for anything. So if Rich was like, had a glass of wine, I wouldn’t ask for a sip of his wine. If he had his ar uh, arm around Hillary, I wouldn’t be like, does she have a sister? If he was smoking a cigarette, I wouldn’t ask for one of his cigarettes. <laugh>, it’s it’ss. It’s enough for me that the cooler, like you have to know your hierarchy and the coolness,

Rich Froning (11:06):


Sevan Matossian (11:07):

I’ll reach, I can’t ask, I can’t ask Rich for stuff like that, but I appreciate it. And for the opportunity to teach you how coolness works,

Rich Froning (11:12):

<laugh>, I’ll reach out to Chandler and see if, uh, see if it’ll come on one day. How about that?

Sevan Matossian (11:15):

Oh, Jesus. Alright,

Rich Froning (11:16):

Fine. There you go. Fine. There you go. It worked. It

Sevan Matossian (11:18):

Worked. Thank you. Thank you. And, and, and just so you know, bigger picture, that was high level manipulation on my part to trick Richard to ask. Yeah. I <laugh>

Rich Froning (11:27):

Now he feels bad. It’s called a guilt trip, everybody. Yeah, that was

Sevan Matossian (11:32):

A great

Rich Froning (11:32):

Lesson. Uh,

Sevan Matossian (11:33):

You, you, uh,

Rich Froning (11:35):

Social experiment.

Sevan Matossian (11:36):

It was a trip to see you talk about, uh, coffee notes, notes and like you were doing coffee talk in a couple videos. And I was like, wow. Rich uses words like notes.

Rich Froning (11:44):

I, I don’t understand. Like when people are like, oh, it tastes like chocolate with whatever. I’m like, no. I mean, I could definitely like, it tastes a little bit more like a Guatemala. I like, I I like a Guatemala or some type of like African bean just to switch it up every once in a while. But, you know, like for me, what I taste, I guess is like a Guatemala is a little bit more mellow and then, um, an African bean is a little bit more fruity, I guess. So I, I really enjoy coffee now and kind of geek out on it.

Sevan Matossian (12:11):

You think that, um, if, if you could tell the difference, if I gave you three coffees, you could be like, this is an Arabic bean, this is a Guatemala, this is, uh, African.

Rich Froning (12:19):

Probably not that re probably not that refi. Like I could tell you probably the difference in a Guatemalan and an African. Um, yeah, I think so. I think I could do that.

Sevan Matossian (12:29):

That’s cool. I can’t do that. Can

Rich Froning (12:30):

You hear my kids being obnoxious in the background? Ruin No’s

Sevan Matossian (12:33):

Fine. You can do whatever you want you do.

Rich Froning (12:34):

No, I just don’t want everybody else to be like, shut those kids up or something

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

Like that. No, no one gives a shit. No, everyone just can’t believe you’re here. <laugh>.

Rich Froning (12:41):

Yeah, she’s fine. They’re just, they’re man, these kids, like, the best description I’ve ever heard for ’em is they’re feral. Like,

Sevan Matossian (12:49):

Hey, give ’em a bag of weed and some rolling papers and throw ’em outside. I just don’t give ’em a lighter and they’ll be fine. I

Rich Froning (12:55):

Know they’ll be fine. What? Hold on. Violet stuck in the

Sevan Matossian (12:58):

Rings. No, this is good. We get to watch. Oh, violet,

Rich Froning (13:00):


Sevan Matossian (13:00):

Can still hear this. Oh, let us see this. Let us at least watch Violets stuck in the rinks. <laugh> <laugh>. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s great.

Rich Froning (13:09):


Sevan Matossian (13:10):

I’ve had that before. Not with me personally, but my kids.

Rich Froning (13:14):

Oh, this is

Sevan Matossian (13:14):

Awesome. Hey, that girl’s faking that when your dad’s rich froning you, you, you like, I’m stuck in the rings. Come get. Yeah.

Rich Froning (13:20):

Yeah. She knows what to do. She’s fine.

Sevan Matossian (13:22):

<laugh>, she’s got the manipulation thing down.

Rich Froning (13:24):


Sevan Matossian (13:25):

Uh, this is an interesting name. Tug speedman, um, uh,

Rich Froning (13:28):

Tug Speedman. Huh

Sevan Matossian (13:29):

Uh, this is Rich world. Rich’s world. We’re just, uh, living in it. Um, so, so Rich, what do you do with that? Oh, let, let’s go back a second. So when you entered the, uh, did you enter the open kind of on accident? I, I heard that you just, you weren’t necessarily planning on opening it, you just entered it on a whim. Is that true?

Rich Froning (13:47):

Um, yeah. I mean the, everybody around here is doing it, so I might as well be doing it. Tyler needed somebody to go and do the workout with him. And so, um, I was like, ah, I’m doing the workout. I might as well. And so I signed up for it and then every day

Sevan Matossian (14:02):

With no warmup. Right. I heard you did the first workout with no

Rich Froning (14:05):

Warmup? No, I warmed up. I warmed up.

Sevan Matossian (14:06):

Oh, okay.

Rich Froning (14:06):

Okay. I’m too old not to warm up at this point, but yeah, I’m just to the point where it’s like, I don’t know, every day was a, I went up for 23, 2 A and B, whatever it was, A and B. And so I didn’t get to do the workout on Friday with everybody. And then as the weekend went on, I was like, you know what? I might not even do the workout on Monday. And then, uh, gee was redoing it and uh, Jake was doing it, so I just went ahead and did it. Like, yeah. So, and then you do two, you might as well do three. So now we’re here.

Sevan Matossian (14:38):

So is, is this a trip? This has never been like this for you, where we go into this season and I mean, you have abs it sounds like you have absolutely no plan. You’re kind of just feeling around in the dark.

Rich Froning (14:50):

Yeah. Yeah. I’m trying to feel out, you know, like if I wanna, I, I’m enjoying working out right now. Um, I’m probably working out just as much as I would if I was competing. Uh, but just trying to have fun with it. Like, if there’s days where I don’t want to do something, I’m like, you know what? I’m not gonna do it. So just trying to enjoy fitness. I’m, I’m gonna do that mountain bike race. So, uh, I’ve been doing a lot of mountain three days a week. Some, uh, little extra session of mountain biking. Um, so yeah, I don’t know. You know, I, I, the, I guess right now I’m thinking depending on how good or how complicated the workouts are for age group qualifiers and semis, I’ll probably do all the online stuff, uh, just cuz it’s fun. We’re gonna have people doing it around here and um, gives me something to kind of look forward to.


But we’ll see about in person this year. I don’t know, I’m just gonna try to like, this is last year before the kids go to school. Uh, I got recruited to Coach Trice’s, um, coaches pitch team. So that’s gonna be a disaster <laugh>. And um, so we’ll see. You know, I want the kids to have a good summer. You know, everything always kind of gets shut down during summer cuz it’s peak of bus training and game season and, uh, master’s schedule kind of aligns with I’ll be, as soon as the kids are done, the, all the online stuff is done till the game. So, uh, that might be where I kind of exit this year and we’ll, we’ll see. Make a, make a idea or come up with an idea for the next year and see how everything goes.

Sevan Matossian (16:09):

Fuck, there’s so many good questions popping up. Go ahead. Uh, no, but I want, I wanna wrap this thing up with the, um, uh, cause I probably can make $500 off this clip if I get you to say the right thing here as a sub clip. All right. <laugh> leading you down here. Um, um, so, so have you looked at the schedule? Has Richard Lyle Froning Jr. Looked at the schedule and seen what you have to do next and what the dates are all the way to competing, uh, as a masters in the games this year?

Rich Froning (16:36):

Yeah, so quarter finals is age group. Quarter finals is the first weekend in April. I’m Ron Burgundy. And then, uh, and then the semi-finals is the final weekend in April.

Sevan Matossian (16:52):

Masters. Does both of those. Oh, I get,

Rich Froning (16:54):

Wow. Then they’re, then they’re done. Like you go age group, online qualifier, semi-finals, then it’s just the games. So then you have basically from May till July till the games.

Sevan Matossian (17:03):

Hey, do I, I think some of those dudes are juicing. Does that concern you? Like I don’t, I’m not judging them for it, but I think some of the masters are like, they don’t look like fucking normal dudes,

Rich Froning (17:12):

Isn’t it? Uh, T rt is that the politically correct term for that? Now T RT

Sevan Matossian (17:16):

Puts the stuff, the stuff I’m peddling. It’s

Rich Froning (17:18):

The saw stone replacement therapy. Yeah. Yeah. I, I’m sure, I mean there’s, you can get a therapeutic usage exemption I think. I don’t know. I haven’t really looked into it that much,

Sevan Matossian (17:27):

But for the games, Hey, if you’re gonna do that, uh, let me know. I know someone I don’t wanna hook you up with. I think you could get Rich. All right. I mean, like you Richard, sorry, Richard. Richard. Richard or Richard or Richard

Rich Froning (17:37):

Or <laugh>? Richard. Richard

Sevan Matossian (17:39):

Or <laugh>. It’s, do not do anything like that unless you, someone’s sponsoring you. All right. Deal. Hey, there’s got, I was also thinking about, this is so, okay, I’m getting distracted again. Go ahead. So are you going to, what do you think is gonna happen? Do you think you’re gonna do, do you think you’re gonna compete at the, um, games this year?

Rich Froning (18:00):

At the games? I doubt it. Um, that’s just, I mean, like I said, from May middle of May till July is kind of the, I mean, that’s what the kids get for summer around here. They do kind of a year round. It’s called year round school. It’s not really year round, but that’s kind of peak of their summer. And we’ve just never really done, I mean, we have like the covid year we did a kind of cross country trip. Um, but, you know, I want to, and if I can, I’m gonna do a, doing a, a competition, um, in July. It’s a master’s competition, a three person team, um, with some friends and like, it’s against Darren, my cousin Darren, he’s doing it. And then some of my other cousins, it’s in, I think it’s Fresh Coast, I think in Michigan. <laugh>. And so you what,

Sevan Matossian (18:39):

What state is that? In

Rich Froning (18:40):

Michigan. And so, um, yeah, it’ll be fun. I, you know, I’m gonna, I can’t not have some type of goal, so that’s why I’m, I am doing the mountain bike thing.

Sevan Matossian (18:49):

Um, who’s on your master’s comp team?

Rich Froning (18:51):

Uh, it’s myself, Jordan Webb. He’s the local softball coach around here, um, at Cookeville High School. Good friend of ours, part of Mayhem Athlete. And then, uh, Steve Swift, he’s actually an engineer. I think he’s a president of something at, um, Speedway Motorsports. So nascar, uh, he’s the basically in charge of a lot of the engineering at some of the larger tracks in nascar. He’s been doing Mayhem Athlete for a long time. A good friend of mine too. So, um, are

Sevan Matossian (19:20):

Those dudes strong? Are those dudes fit? They’re

Rich Froning (19:22):

Fit. It’s gonna be fun. Um, you know, it’s, it’s uh, it’s on the west coast of Michigan, so it’s, um, there’s some swimming and some sand running and stuff like that. It’ll just be for fun.

Sevan Matossian (19:33):

That’ll be a family vacation. Take the whole family up there to Michigan.

Rich Froning (19:35):

Yeah, that’s where my family is. And then, um, try to catch a Tigers game or something like that.

Sevan Matossian (19:40):

Is Hillary like, fuck, I don’t want to go see those hicks in Michigan?

Rich Froning (19:44):

Yeah, no,

Sevan Matossian (19:46):

No. Okay. Okay. That part. Oh, that part of Rich’s family that eats possums. Fuck <laugh>.

Rich Froning (19:52):

I think it’s the opposite.

Sevan Matossian (19:53):

Oh, okay. You’re the possum side. Sorry. Yeah, we’re the possums side. I don’t wanna go up there to those refined people. They use cloth napkins. Fuck <laugh>. Um, so, so, um, 10, 10% chance you do, here’s the thing, here’s what I’m thinking. I’m thinking that you’re like, okay, I’m 35. Yep. And this is the best chance to win it. And then I could take like, cruise for four years. Four

Rich Froning (20:14):

Years. Yeah. I just don’t, like, I thought that this year, you know, I thought, oh, I could just cruise and then I’m in here working out with these guys and working out anyway, so I’m like, all right, we’ll see, you know, it’s, I don’t wanna put a, a percentage on it because I don’t know, I hate when people are like, oh yeah, I’m done, done. I’m never doing this again. And then they’re right back. So, um, if it’s fun, if I can feel like, you know, you know, my personality, I’m not going just to show up to anything. I wanna win whatever I’m doing. So if I feel like I can put in the time and train and, you know, not take away from a fam my family’s experience on the summer, then yeah, I’ll, I’ll compete. But if not, then um, then I won’t. And first, hey, that’s, I gotta make it, you know, when that one rep Max Thrusters shows up again, um, I might be, might be out anyway.

Sevan Matossian (20:57):

Right. Right, right. Um, uh, what about this notion, um, that kind of Scott Pank, um, can, is doing so well with reduced training and he’s kind of resting on, hi, uh, resting is too strong of a word cuz he is gotta be working hard. But this notion that he, he has some shit in the bank,

Rich Froning (21:17):

Like Yeah. I mean, we’re all resting, right?

Sevan Matossian (21:19):

Yeah. I, I guess, I don’t know. Do do you

Rich Froning (21:21):

Believe that social media tells you? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (21:23):

Do you, okay, so you think that’s bullshit? You think Scott’s a savage and he is working as hard as ever and

Rich Froning (21:29):

Don’t Yeah, I mean it’s like me saying I’m not working out that much, but I’m still working out a ton. It’s just, I mean, it’s just what we do. You know, like we, we talked and we were like, you know, he’s still, I guarantee he’s still working out hard. You, I’m less stressed if I miss something, uh, miss a workout or, you know, if I’m, if my body feels beat up, I won’t necessarily hit something that I, you know, might be on the list or something that everybody else is doing. Um, but I, I mean, guys like us are just wired a certain way and you can’t just not, can’t not do it and you can’t do anything halfway. It’s just, it is what it is.

Sevan Matossian (22:01):

I was watching that um, Cameron Haynes podcast. You did? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, this morning. And you talked about, um, doing more than one workout a day. And I had completely forgotten that you were the pioneer, pioneer or the pioneers of that. Cuz I remember coming out and visiting you and it really was like that. It was like what you said in there, oh no, rich don’t do that. You might die. I mean, it

Rich Froning (22:23):

Was like, I remember watching, um, every second counts and Tony budding the interview with him and he’s like, yeah, if you do two workouts a day, you might die

Sevan Matossian (22:32):

<laugh>. Right,

Rich Froning (22:33):

Right, right. And you know, it was like, oh man, are we gonna die? And then the first time we like, we did a workout that morning and that afternoon we were bored. We’re like, oh, let’s, let’s do another workout, see what happens. And we didn’t die <laugh>. And the rest is history, you know, now we’re working out 50,000 times a day.

Sevan Matossian (22:49):

Yeah, it was, I I remember coming out there and you and Darren working out in the morning and us filming it and then at night going to some like corporate gym and you guys did another workout and it was some fucking crazy muscle up workout with 20 pounds ball with

Rich Froning (23:02):

The med ball between your legs. Yeah. That pissed me off so bad. Ge just watched that video the other day and brought it up to me. He was like, Hey, let’s do some muscle up with med ball. And I’d completely forgot about that.

Sevan Matossian (23:11):

And I was like, these guys are crazy. And I remember telling people at HQ this, this guy’s fucking nuts,

Rich Froning (23:17):

Nuts psychos.

Sevan Matossian (23:19):

And now it’s the norm. Right? No, there’s

Rich Froning (23:21):

No you have to do it. You have to. You know, or else, or else you’ll die if you don’t.

Sevan Matossian (23:24):


Mattew Souza (23:25):

Right. Hey, wasn’t that as far back as when, when uh, the nickname popped up and it said Tin Man?

Rich Froning (23:30):

Tin Man? Yeah. Travis bad. Yeah. Or be. Yep. He gave me the no heart that I was gonna lose the games cause I had no heart.

Sevan Matossian (23:37):

Oh, he’s what? Explain. Tell me that he said that about you. No Heart regarding what workout?

Rich Froning (23:41):

Uh, no, he just said, I think you might have been doing the interview, but think you were asking him who’s gonna win the games or somebody asked him that and he said, uh, Froning has no heart. And so he started calling you the Tin Man. The Tin man. So we, I, we started I think the Tin Man. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (23:56):

Oh yeah.

Rich Froning (23:57):

That’s good. Now I need, now I’m the tin man cuz I need oil in my joints, you know? Now it’s a different, different reason. I’ve got plenty of heart. The heart’s there, but the body’s not willing.

Sevan Matossian (24:06):

Hey, what’s crazy is, it sounds funny now, but it was serious as a heart attack. People just the way no one used to swap a little parallel. No one, no one did two workouts a day.

Rich Froning (24:16):

No. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Nope. We work out on the first that, you know, like I said, when we, I remember, I remember specifically watching that video and he is like, yeah, two workouts a day you might die. Or at a level one they’re like, you should give all the intensity you have so you can’t do another workout. You know, it is what it is. Which there is some truth to that. Like I wish we could go back to the like not knowing how bad something was gonna hurt and painful it is. So you just go at like, we, uh, target, we were at Arnold, the Arnold this weekend and uh, we had a little dinner with Bill and Katie and they have this, uh, kind of, I guess little rest like a serving, like if they have events they can cook and do all this stuff on the video or the, the screen in there. They were playing the 2010 games. It was the final event. Sure enough, I’m getting, you know, sweaty and worried and just watching how full dummy I went on that first workout and then basically just drunk for the next 12 minutes, 13 minutes and then almost died falling off the rope. So idiot.

Sevan Matossian (25:15):

Uh, what do stupid what do you, so where did you have, where did you have uh, I love the way you say it. Subtle flex. That they have this, they have this, well he doesn’t even know. Rich doesn’t know that he did that. I don’t think <laugh>.

Rich Froning (25:26):

Well, it’s Bill and Katie. Man. They have, it’s awesome. It’s a cool little like, little dinner spot they have that they, you know,

Sevan Matossian (25:32):

On their property.

Rich Froning (25:33):

No, uh, it’s just around their area and it’s, uh, but they

Sevan Matossian (25:37):

Do, they own the restaurant.

Rich Froning (25:39):

Uh, it’s not really a restaurant per se, it’s more like a serving area and they, when they do venue or events and stuff like that, it was like a small group of probably 15 or 20 people. But man, it was,

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

Wait a second. Like you have a house, right? Yep. And then you have a gym.

Rich Froning (25:53):


Sevan Matossian (25:54):

They have a, you’re telling me that they have a place that’s a building that like they feed people in,

Rich Froning (25:58):

It’s right next to their, um, I don’t know if I’m allowed to say this. I’m gonna get trouble. I’m not, you’re not luing me into this. That’s

Sevan Matossian (26:07):

Like give us math a visual. Like do you have a Bret, do you have a Bret Rich?

Rich Froning (26:09):

I don’t. I don’t, I somebody uh, was talking about the clear rear the other day. I want to try it. Like,

Sevan Matossian (26:14):

I don’t know what that is. I like it. Can you pull that up?

Rich Froning (26:16):

Oh yeah. So it’s a, it’s a, a poor man’s version of a Bret. So you just added onto your toilet basically. I remember the first time I used a Bret was in Korea and I pushed the wrong button cuz it was in Korea. Yeah. And you know, like, you think it’s like a, like a, uh, water fountain, but it’s more like a pressure washer and it kind of like surprises you.

Sevan Matossian (26:34):


Rich Froning (26:34):

Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (26:36):

I got a little penetration from the water. Am I

Sevan Matossian (26:38):

Supposed to, do you relax the Cheerio or do you tighten it up? Is the water supposed to break the plane or not? I

Rich Froning (26:43):

Have not put this on here, so I don’t know. But that’s the clear rear.

Sevan Matossian (26:47):

Oh, here’s the thing about, um, all the new fancy toilets that are like five or 10 grand for the toilet, they’re still made outta plastic. I don’t like plastic on my toilet. I like porcelain.

Rich Froning (26:56):

Porcelain. You like the real stuff? Yeah, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (26:58):

Yeah. Oh yeah. Just attaches right on

Rich Froning (27:01):

There. Right?

Sevan Matossian (27:03):

No more stuff. I don’t want blue. I don’t want that. That looks like it’s like Listerine shooting at my ass. <laugh> I, that, that could sting. I think it’s just for the model Fisher. I don’t think it’s a blue one. <laugh> honey. My, my ass has the best breath There he goes. Oh, okay. He’s got, he must have got a phone call.

Rich Froning (27:20):

Stupid calls leave me alone.

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

Uh, fusion gains. Um, uh, I’m going to mayhem this weekend for CrossFit weightlifting seminar. I’m gonna spend way too much money on merch

Rich Froning (27:29):

My kids. Thank you for their college education. Or if they don’t want to go to college, they have to do it for some type of something. I don’t know. But they can’t get their money until they’re at least bettering themselves.

Sevan Matossian (27:38):

Uh, we, we ha we are privileged to hear Rich’s uh, kids. I I agree.

Rich Froning (27:42):

They, they ran out into the main gym. So hopefully they’ll leave us alone.

Sevan Matossian (27:45):

Wad, zombie. Why don’t you have a, why don’t you have a card? Even if you don’t use this guy, you should get a card. Even

Rich Froning (27:50):

If you don’t use this guy. Hey, we actually have an idea for a game. Ro uh, Angelo is trying to flush out all the details cuz he’s at I, so I

Sevan Matossian (28:01):

A board game.

Rich Froning (28:02):

You uh, kind of almost like a card game. So like, you know how bad I am with, I don’t play video games. I don’t do, I just,

Sevan Matossian (28:08):

I saw you playing some games with your daughter in that, uh, I play Guess

Rich Froning (28:11):

Who I’ve worked her on? Guess who smashed

Sevan Matossian (28:13):

Her? You did work her. That was awesome. Does she have blue eyes? Well, it’s Carol then <laugh>.

Rich Froning (28:16):

Well you’re done. Farrah

Sevan Matossian (28:18):

Iser <laugh>

Rich Froning (28:20):

You just lost and, and I smashed her on Tic-tac toe a bunch of times too. Yeah. So I don’t let my kids win anything.

Sevan Matossian (28:25):

Cause you’re the master. I like how she looks at the camera. He wins cuz he’s the master.

Rich Froning (28:29):

He’s the master <laugh>. Yep. Uh, it’s never fun with us and family like get togethers cuz Hillary always wants to play games and that’s like one of my hidden, like I’m pretty decent at trivia. I’m pretty good at games and so she starts talking trash. Well then I don’t talk trash, but then when I start beating everybody very badly, then I start talking trash and then somehow I’m the asshole. You know? It is what it is. But people’s, but we had an idea. We had an idea. This goes back to like Angelo played Pokemon. I never played Pokemon. I made fun of kids that played Pokemon. Sorry. It’s not, not

Sevan Matossian (29:00):

I made fun of them too.

Rich Froning (29:01):

The best thing I ever did. But, you know, um, and so Angelo has already like, worked up this game, like where you have cards, athletes or the cards you can throw down movements to like stump people and like, I don’t know. He is, he’s got a whole like, prototype set up. So maybe we’ll reach out to wad zombie and, and partner on that. But yeah,

Sevan Matossian (29:19):

I wanna partner on that too. I love the idea of a game, but you don’t actually have to move. I hate those games where it’s like, car you have to do 10 Bures. No, no,

Rich Froning (29:26):

No, no. This is like, this is like, you have, you know, you have a, a rich Froning Carter and so, you know, like, hey, he’s pretty decent all around, but he really sucks at running. He couldn’t swim. And like you have different year models too. And so you could, like somebody has you, you know, you’re gonna play the whatever athlete, the um, bkg where you know he is gonna win, you know, a long distance endurance event and then somebody can like stump you with something. So it was just an idea. It was fun when we were messing up.

Sevan Matossian (29:54):

Do you ever, do you ever say his full name? Do you ever call him b? Have you ever say Borman?

Rich Froning (29:58):

No. Bkg is too, I don’t.

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