#820 – Jason Khalipa | The Happiest Man Alive

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Damn, I forgot to warm my voice up. Damn. We’re live. Just kidding. Hello. There he is. Jason k Clea. Good morning. That was easy.

Jason Khalipa (00:14):

Am I That was easy. Good morning. How you guys doing?

Sevan Matossian (00:17):

Dude, you look lean. Hey,

Jason Khalipa (00:20):

It’s the lighting. I got the lighting going on in here.

Sevan Matossian (00:22):

Holy shit. You look lean. Are you getting ready for a jiu-jitsu tournament?

Jason Khalipa (00:25):

Dude, I actually, uh, I’m, I’m not, but I, I need to be, I was training down at Jocko’s Gym and I, I hurt my knee a little bit, but I’m, uh, I’ll be fine. I’m all good.

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

Oh. Oh, what do you mean you heard it?

Jason Khalipa (00:38):

Dude? I was in a open guard position, so, um, are we live right now? We’re live, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

We’re, Hey. But I don’t think your mic’s working, Jason. I think that, I think the audio’s getting picked up from your computer. I think.

Jason Khalipa (00:51):

Well, let’s try it. All right. How’s that? Better?

Sevan Matossian (00:56):

Oh, yeah. Much better.

Jason Khalipa (00:58):

Yeah. Now it sounds good, right?

Sevan Matossian (01:00):

Yeah. You were, it sound like we caught you taking a deuce, but now you’re in the studio

Jason Khalipa (01:04):

<laugh>, dude. So, um, yeah, you know, I was in a open guard position, so basically I was, I was laying, you know, kind of sitting on my butt, laying on my back, and a guy was trying to, sounds weird, but he is trying to pass my guard and just kind of hit me from the side of the knee. Um, but yeah, I had some great roles, dude. It was incredible. I was down at Victory MMA with Jacque, his crew. Um, so it was definitely worth the little knee, knee, knee sprain. Now getting back at it. But that’s why I had to, um, so I had to miss, uh, the second open workout. So basically I did the first open workout.

Sevan Matossian (01:37):

Oh. Oh,

Jason Khalipa (01:39):

Yeah. So I did the first open workout. I really enjoyed it. Second one came up, and then I happened to be rolling like the day of, and then, dude, I just could not be doing shuttle runs in a heavy thruster with a busted knee. So, um,

Sevan Matossian (01:51):

Is it just bruised you think, or you think something actually stretched or tore?

Jason Khalipa (01:55):

Uh, Kelly th thinks it’s just like a sprained knee, so I’m not too, I’m not too concerned about it. It’s just, it’s enough. We’re like, dude, I’m not trying to win the, the open to mess up my, you know, I, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t wanna mess up my knee anymore, so I’m good. Just taking some time. All

Sevan Matossian (02:09):

Good. This dude, this is the, oh dude, he’s a badass. This guy.

Jason Khalipa (02:14):

Yeah, dude. You don’t know who Jocko is.

Sevan Matossian (02:15):

Come on. I mean, I do, I do. I just wanted to make sure, and I know, I, I usually, when people say his name, they say the whole name Jocko will. Oh, it’s Will Lyx. I thought it was Will Licks.

Jason Khalipa (02:24):

It’s like, it’s like Jocko Willick. So yeah, he’s got a bunch of things going on, but we were down at his gym and I was training with, um, him and his guys, so, yeah, it was all good.

Sevan Matossian (02:34):

Hey, um, does he own a CrossFit gym?

Jason Khalipa (02:37):

Dude, so I, so interestingly enough, inside Victory, mm. M a mm-hmm. <affirmative>, so Victory mm. M a is, I actually, dude, it was incredible. So what’s incredible about is that their price points pretty low. Um, I’ve never seen anything like it. Actually, it’s an old racquetball court, uh, club, kinda like where I started in the fitness space, but it was converted into having jiujitsu, um, mo, uh, et cetera. But they also have a very small CrossFit box that’s like, dude, it’s it’s old school, man. I’m gonna try and help ’em out with it. You know, maybe give ’em some like, like they don’t have any air bikes in there. Um, it’s, it’s, it’s old school for sure. Yeah, this is it.

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

Oh, they got girls there. That’s,

Jason Khalipa (03:17):

That’s, that’s the CrossFit space. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (03:19):

Oh, is that, is that rig set up like that, those bars?

Jason Khalipa (03:22):

It still, it still looks the exact same a hundred percent. It’s great.

Sevan Matossian (03:26):

Oh, wow. Um, it reminds me of what’s his, uh, one of the places where I’m, I, I watched you work workout once in China Show

Jason Khalipa (03:33):

Crossings at CrossFit edis.

Sevan Matossian (03:35):


Jason Khalipa (03:36):

Yep. It’s an old racquetball court converted into a CrossFit gym. So that’s 800 square feet of excellence right there.

Sevan Matossian (03:42):

Hey, did Austin have two courts though? Was he bawling?

Jason Khalipa (03:44):

Dude, so he, he started off with one and then, you know, we, uh, we’re bawling and so we broke, we broke down some, uh, we opened some doors and then got into the second one.

Sevan Matossian (03:54):

Didn’t I visit a facility that you had one time that was like 50,000 square feet and, and it was multiple racquetball courts in

Jason Khalipa (04:03):

Yes. So we, we had Did you have that? No, that one. So that one was next to the, um, remember that one was next to the casino and, uh, all was good. Uh, and, uh, that location was amazing. We had indoor diving, we had judo, we had, dude, you know, it’s funny, I brought this up on a podcast the other day. One time, I don’t know if it was Dale Saren, I think came with his crew and they did LARPing in the gym like on a Saturday. They did it a few times, I think. Um, we had all kinds of shit that went down at that gym, but, uh, no, we don’t have anymore. The casino went away and the riff, you know, it, it, it got pretty rough over there. And basically we just, we could not continue, um, on a month, month lease. Um, not to get all businessy, but you know, when you have a business and you c you’re on a month-to-month lease, I mean, that’s not a good way to run it because you can’t make investments into the property, cuz you don’t know if your landlord’s gonna kick you out the following month.

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

Uh, l Laring is, uh, when you role play and he would dress up as a knight. Right. I know it sounds like some fucked up shit. Live

Jason Khalipa (05:03):

Action. Role

Sevan Matossian (05:04):

Play. Oh, live for

Jason Khalipa (05:05):

Action. Yeah, dude, I mean, bro, I walked in there and Jess, Jess eat is here to what? Like, Jess, I mean, dude, the the swords when they hit the other metal, it was, yeah. Anyways, it was good reminiscing on that.

Sevan Matossian (05:19):

Yeah, that shit, that shit was, uh, that shit was crazy. I mean, literally they hit each other full, full contact with a, um, steel, uh, mallet or a sledgehammer into some dude’s head.

Jason Khalipa (05:29):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, dude, I didn’t realize, I, I always forget that you guys have comments and that this is a live podcast. So Good morning everybody. Hope everybody’s doing crazy. Uh, everybody’s doing good. I saw that Jason’s crazy energy. Hey, I worked out in the garage this morning with my daughter. Got my coffee on. I’m feeling good. A ready to rock.

Sevan Matossian (05:45):

You already worked out with your daughter

Jason Khalipa (05:47):

Every day. Yeah, 6:00 AM

Sevan Matossian (05:49):

Holy cow. Does she, is it easy getting her up at that time?

Jason Khalipa (05:52):

Yeah, surprisingly she’s easier to get up than, I mean, my son’s very difficult to get up. Um, but yeah, Ava, uh, every morning we, we train in the garage. We keep the workouts between 10 to 15 minutes. This morning she did, um, intervals of eight Kki and then, um, dt. So five deadlifts with dumbbells, five hang cleans, five push press. Dang, dang. And she did that for eight minute am wrap, um, this morning. And then while she normally does that, um, I always ride the C2 bike, um, or work on mobility or whatever.

Sevan Matossian (06:22):

Dude, that’s crazy. My, uh, my kids, uh, I, I, every morning when I come in here, they’re, they’re asleep out cold

Jason Khalipa (06:30):

<laugh>. Yeah. I mean, dude, I don’t know. Like, my daughter has like an hour long, like, routine before she goes to school, so she likes, and then normally we, we plunge. Um, but my, I I, I gotta refill the plunge cause I was gone for a week. I was

Sevan Matossian (06:41):

In charge. She plunges too.

Jason Khalipa (06:43):

Yeah. Every day. Yeah. It, it’s, it’s actually been, um, incredibly, um, profound on her, um, on her mindset. Uh, it’s been probably one of the biggest things that I’ve noticed for the kids is, um, the, the cold plunge and how it impacts her mindset.

Sevan Matossian (07:01):

Tell me more about that. I, I wholeheartedly believe that. Tell me, tell me, tell me what’s going on. Gimme no details too small. So you have a ice bath and she gets in it for how long?

Jason Khalipa (07:11):

So we have what’s called, uh, and

Sevan Matossian (07:13):

How did you get her to do it the first time?

Jason Khalipa (07:14):

So we have a, a product. It’s, it’s, it’s called the Plunge. And the reason, so I’ve also had other products, but I just didn’t find myself using ’em because we originally had like a giant Yeti cooler that we would put ice in. It just was a, a really difficult situation because it wasn’t designed for that. Right. So you’d have to go buy ice cause I don’t have an ice maker. You’d have to keep it clean. And it just was like, it just seemed wasteful too. Cause I’d like fill it with water, use it for like a week and then have to re, it just seemed not the right way. So the, the coal plunge, um, yep. That one, um, was actually beautiful. That was actually on Shark Tank and buddy of ours, Ryan owns it, co co-founder of it. They’re actually out of Sacramento area.


And so we got one of those. And what we do is we keep it at 55 degrees, 53 to 55 degrees. Um, right now it’s currently at 55. We go as low as 53. And it doesn’t sound that cold, but it’s pretty cold. And we go in for, um, sounds anywhere, sounds cold. We go in for three to five minutes. So I go in for five minutes, the kids go in for three. And, um, yeah, e essentially the, the way we came up with it is that, um, you know, Santa Cruz Ocean is, you know, it could be as low as like, what, 50 degrees I think. And so the way I figured it is like, it’s like throwing the kids in the ocean for three minutes. Um, and dude, I’m telling you man, the, the mental resilience to not wanna do it, then they get in. Then when they get out, they’re just like in a completely different mood. So when I find the kids are being like, you know, if there’s ever like a state of depression or a state of like, um, anxiety or, or whatever, I’ve found that it’s been helpful for me and for the kids.

Sevan Matossian (08:50):

Yeah. Crazy. I need to get one of those. Uh, you, uh, I don’t, I, um, that, that plunge looks amazing. I was looking at this one that, uh, Josh has too, the other day. He has this thing called King. Cool.

Jason Khalipa (09:01):

Oh yeah, there’s a, there’s a few other

Sevan Matossian (09:02):

Brands. It looks gigantic.

Jason Khalipa (09:03):

Yeah, there’s a few other brands. I, I look, I, I mean, I’m a big advocate for it. Um, I think it’s been, it’s been a, it’s been a good, good component for, for my life. I mean, I have a sauna and I have a coal plunge. I think the coal plunge just easier to use, not because it’s easier just because it’s so much shorter. You just jump in for three to five minutes, boom. You’re, you’re ready to rock.

Sevan Matossian (09:23):

Um, uh, you, you, they know not to pee in there

Jason Khalipa (09:27):

<laugh>. I hope so.

Sevan Matossian (09:28):

<laugh> you told them, Hey, don’t pee in too small. Too small. This isn’t a pool, don’t pee in it.

Jason Khalipa (09:33):

Funny you mentioned that. I mean, not the pee, but I, I would, um, I used to have a lot of guys come by the house, um, who are training for like, uh, ADCC and, and different big jiujitsu matches. And dude, if people don’t, um, typically if I have people come over after we work out or whatever, I’ll have them rinse off with a hose before they jump in. Um, even though there’s filter and whatever, it just, it gets dirt in it. Like, if you’re like, I don’t know if I’m running a trail in Los Gatos and I go jump in the thing, it’s kind of gross. So yeah, we, we hose all

Sevan Matossian (10:02):

That thing does have a filter. So how often do you change the water on that?

Jason Khalipa (10:05):

Oh dude. Yeah. It’s, it’s legit. It’s like a, it’s like a jacuzzi, like, you know, like Ja uh, Whirlpool. Yeah, it has a filtration system. It’s got some chemicals in it just in terms of like, you know, chlorine or whatever. Um, I change the water like once every month.

Sevan Matossian (10:21):

How much is that thing, Caleb? Is that thing? Five grand.

Caleb Beaver (10:25):

Five grand. Damn. The one, the one that Josh Bridges has is like 10 grand, 11 grand. Yeah.

Jason Khalipa (10:30):

They have an Excel version. It’s a little bit more expensive and they have a hot cold, which I wouldn’t recommend. Uh, the reason why the hot cold is there is because people on the East Coast or different areas, it was freezing. And so they actually had to like, like if they left it outdoors, cause mine’s outdoors in California’s not a big deal, but in other states it would actually get too cold below what people wanted. So there’s a heater function on it to heat up the water a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (10:52):

Hey, did it snow at your house last week?

Jason Khalipa (10:55):

Uh, it snow. Well, I was outta town, but yeah, it’s snow. I don’t, yeah, it was, it was snowing over the 17. I’m I’m close by that.

Sevan Matossian (11:03):

Yeah, it’s absolutely bizarre. Hey, um, uh, so you, when you go to these places, like with Jocko and you roll with him, are you, you’re comfortable?

Jason Khalipa (11:12):

Yeah. So in this particular case, so I went to Jocko’s gym, I got invited. Um,

Sevan Matossian (11:15):

How long have you been doing jujitsu, Jason?

Jason Khalipa (11:18):

Six, seven years. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (11:20):

Was there a point where it was weird, you would go to a gym and you’re like, shit, I, I’m not sure if I really know Jiujitsu, and then you’re like, oh, I should, I guess I do know jujitsu

Jason Khalipa (11:27):

Well, I mean, in this particular case, you know, I got invited, um, JP Dental. He’s, uh, former Navy Seal. He’s on the echelon front side with leadership with Jocko. And so, um, I’ve been talking to ’em a lot, and so I felt comfortable. We, you know, but I just jumped into a class and then I pulled off and we did something on our own. Um, yeah, I’m comfortable. Um, I think that, um, I’m at a point in my journey that I, I, I could, I could regulate the intensity. Um, you know, that takes a while to get that way, but it takes about a year, I think, in Jisu to be able to regulate that, which is why, you know, my least favorite people to roll with are, you know, large athletic white belts. It just, they’re, they’re just so outta control. So yeah, I’m at a point where I feel more controlled. I

Sevan Matossian (12:09):

Actually had a friend roll with you in, in like your first few months, and he said it was scary. He said it, he, and this guy’s a really good brown belt. He goes, yeah, you gotta be fucking really careful with that dude. I go, why? He goes, he’s so fucking strong, and he just fucking will come out there and something weird will happen.

Jason Khalipa (12:22):

The so Yes. In your buddy’s defense, like, I didn’t know what I didn’t know, and I wanted to try and be a good training partner. I just didn’t know, you know? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (12:30):

He wasn’t badmouthing you by the way. He wasn’t like, Hey, he’s a fucking spazz. He wasn’t like that.

Jason Khalipa (12:34):

Yeah. Yeah. I, I, yeah, but it’s justs in the beginning, you don’t know how to control yourself, and then, um, you start playing off the other person. So when you start feeling restricted, you start getting a little aggressive and it’s just, anyways, after like a year of jujitsu, then you start kind of mellowing out a little bit.

Sevan Matossian (12:49):

Hey, have you had to switch gyms? Have you had, at the original gym you started at, did you ever, have you peaked out at where you’re at and then ever had to be like, okay, I’ve been here a year and I should have probably left like six months ago or a year. I’ve, I’ve maxed out this place.

Jason Khalipa (13:01):

Yeah. You know, the difference between CrossFit and Juujitsu is in CrossFit. You know, I’m a big believer that every member every day should be receiving the same experience, whether you’re elite, brand new or whatnot. And I think sometimes we cater towards the newer people, and we don’t give any, we don’t give as much attention to the people that have been there a while because you just assume they’re gonna keep coming back. But our members are one bad experience away from never coming back to our gym. Hmm. And I think it’s important to give even the elite in our gym some type of insight, guidance, support something, and not just assume they’re fine. But that same thing in Jiu-jitsu is a little bit different because I feel like in CrossFit you could be elite, beginner, whatever. You could all work out, you could all get value for years and years and years in Jiu-jitsu, the struggle is, is that training partners becomes a really big important factor. So if you’re trying to excel, or if you’re at a point where you’re just mopping the floor with everybody at the gym, you know, sometimes you need to go find comp classes at other gyms or whatnot to give yourself a different stimulus. And a, to find guys that are your size, your level. So I go to two different gyms, um, sometimes for that reason, right? Not, not because I’m like mopping the floor, but just because it just gives you different looks, that’s all.

Sevan Matossian (14:11):

Yeah. With, with kids. Um, my kids went to one gym for like three years, and the first two years were amazing. And then the last year I was like, oh, shit. Like they’re spending 15 minutes a week practicing tech falls and, and, and they shouldn’t, there’s absolutely no, there’s no reason. And, and just all sorts of shit like that. Yeah. And I’m like, and I don’t even do Jiujitsu. And I’m like, okay. And then soon as I switched them, um, they just started exploding because then the, the next level they went to, the instructors were talking to them like over their head. And so then they had to play catch. But recently I took my kids to a gym in Arizona and there were three Brazilian black belts there running the gym. And I was like really nervous that like, do my, have my kids really been doing Jiujitsu, right?


Yeah. Yeah. Like, it’s like, here’s the test because Taek Kon, ty Jujitsu’s, the, you can’t fake jujitsu. It’s not like, you know, TaeKwonDo, you can do it for six years and walk away with your black belt, just check the boxes. Right. And some of those dojos, um, it’s not like, but they went there and they fucking, the teachers like, holy shit, these fucking kids are legit. I was like, pH, because I think people can do martial arts for 10 years and just be like, oh shit, I was at the wrong gym and I wasted 10 years. Right. I mean, that happens

Jason Khalipa (15:18):

Frequently. Yeah. I’m, I’m sure it happens every now and then. I haven’t seen it as much in Jiujitsu, especially with the, you know, uh, jiujitsu is aggressive. I mean, it’s,

Sevan Matossian (15:25):

It’s, yeah, it’s aggressive. You’re

Jason Khalipa (15:26):

Not Yeah, it’s a lot. I, I love it though. I mean, obviously this isn’t a podcast of preach on jujitsu. I’m just saying like, if you’re er out there and you have not tried Jiujitsu, I think you’re missing out. And if you’re a Jiujitsu guy and you haven’t been, you know, adding in at least some type of lifting protocol or whatnot, I think you’re missing out too.

Sevan Matossian (15:43):

What about striking? Are you, are you fucking around with any striking or kicking?

Jason Khalipa (15:46):

Yeah, so I did Mota for a few years. Um, I have a basic framework of, you know, strikes. Um, you know, that, that I work with my kids and that I, I train, I have a bag, I have tie pads, I have focus mitts. So I have a, a, a basic framework of, you know, hands, elbows, uh, knees. But I wouldn’t call myself as proficient there as I am. I’m probably more proficient at this point on the ground, but I have a, a sparring background.

Sevan Matossian (16:11):

Do, do you, do you, uh, throw hands every, every week?

Jason Khalipa (16:14):

Did you I I, I, I use my bag in the garage, which is not the same as getting sparring. Um, I’m gonna look to this summer, my, my intention is to maybe hire a, a boxing or moy Thai coach once a week to spar with, or maybe just show up at the gym and start sparring. Yeah. Just because, you know, I used to spar a lot

Sevan Matossian (16:33):

And then I I didn’t know that you did.

Jason Khalipa (16:34):

Yeah. And then I got kicked in the face one time, and so <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (16:38):

So you doing, um, Mui Thai? You were sparring. Wow. Dude, I had no fucking idea. Crazy.

Jason Khalipa (16:43):

Actually, we used to have it at the same gym like way back in the day. Um, actually before I got into CrossFit, I used to do Sancho, which is Chinese kickboxing, very similar to Tie. I did it a lot. And Austin Behe and I, we both did it for years, then I ended up doing it again later on. But

Sevan Matossian (16:59):

When you was Austin Good at it, he looks long as shit. Yeah.

Jason Khalipa (17:01):

He’s, he’s got some long kicks, you know. Yeah. You don’t wanna get a front kick by that guy kick. No, no. So, but the, the problem was, is the reason why I stopped sparring is because at the time I was, you know, um, at the time I was going to school or whatnot, and I, I, I would only spar like twice a week. And dude, when you, when you spar, like in Jiujitsu, you know, you might get tapped, you might get whatever, but in sparring, dude, when you get kicked in the face, it just fucking sucks. And so it kinda demotivated me, but I gotta get back in the game.

Sevan Matossian (17:31):

There was one particular kick that you got kicked in the face and you’re like, time out. I’m taking a little break from this.

Jason Khalipa (17:36):

A after I got kicked in the face, I took a pause, and then I ended up coming back and I did, you know, I’ve done a lot of Did

Sevan Matossian (17:41):

You break your nose or get knocked out?

Jason Khalipa (17:43):

Um, no, not that time. I have broken my nose. I have been knocked out, but not, not, not from that kick in the face. Um,

Sevan Matossian (17:49):

And what was it about that kick?

Jason Khalipa (17:51):

Dude, it just, I don’t know, just something about it. Like, I’m just standing

Sevan Matossian (17:55):


Jason Khalipa (17:56):

It’s like, almost like that, uh, what’s that movie? Uh, uh, rush hour where we, they’re in that dojo and he just gets like, or like whatever, he just gets kicked in the face. Guess I felt I’m just sitting there. I’m ready as far, and they’re boom is anyways,

Sevan Matossian (18:09):

Like a Will Ferrell movie?

Jason Khalipa (18:11):

Yes, exactly.

Sevan Matossian (18:13):

Crazy. Uh, uh, what, uh, Khalifa is bringing the love and viewership up? Uh, nice. Well, good. Kalifa

Jason Khalipa (18:20):

Is bringing Oh, alright.

Sevan Matossian (18:21):

Right. That someone is

Jason Khalipa (18:22):

Thanks Tyler. Yeah. Does he eat Snickers and drink coke? I don’t know who he’s talking about, but not me. I can only imagine seeing a clip of Bear Paw coming at my face. <laugh>, uh,

Sevan Matossian (18:32):

Jason, what’s up with, um, what’s up with, uh, uh, uh, Gordon and, um, and, and Craig Jones and, and Nikki Rod are, are they having fun doing this?

Jason Khalipa (18:42):

Dude? Oh my gosh. So for those who aren’t aware, um, I, uh, dude, so so you got, you got some, you’re

Sevan Matossian (18:50):

Friend, you’re pretty close with Nikki, right?

Jason Khalipa (18:52):

I, I’m, I’m pretty close. I mean, I know all of ’em, and man, it is, it is just, dude, have you seen what Craig Jones has been putting out? Oh,

Sevan Matossian (18:59):

He’s, he’s amazing. He’s like a Saturday Night Live Char. Well, he’s, I shouldn’t disrespect him like that. He’s, he’s like a skit character. He’s amazing.

Jason Khalipa (19:06):

I’m telling you, if if people in Cross actually texted this, like if there was a villain or a relationship like this in CrossFit, I think it would actually help the sport. I mean, dude, these guys, you know, they got Nicki, Nicki Rod is one of the guys’ names. This is Craig Jones. Um, and then you got, oh, did

Sevan Matossian (19:23):

You see this video where this chick busted this? I watched this last night.

Jason Khalipa (19:26):

Which one’s? This,

Sevan Matossian (19:27):

This chick bust this dude’s leg. He says, no chick will ever beat me. And she fucking snaps his fucking knee.

Jason Khalipa (19:35):

<laugh> dude. Uh,

Sevan Matossian (19:37):

Hey, sorry. Go on. So tell, tell me about, uh, what’s going on? What’s going on with Nikki and Gordon and Craig?

Jason Khalipa (19:43):

Dude, so Gordon, um, is, you know, the goat right now, right in no gi jujitsu. And he had a fight with, uh, Felipe Penya Pena. They have fought officially four, three times. Three times. Pena has won twice. Gordon has won once, and they were going for match number four. And so they were talking to some shit, getting ready for it. It was hyping up the fight and Gordon’s really good at that. And then like a few days before the fight, like a week before the fight, Gordon basically, you know, he has stomach issues and um, pulls out. And Nick, he’s

Sevan Matossian (20:19):

Notorious for that, right? I mean, not notorious for pulling out, but he has some, he has some legit medical issues.

Jason Khalipa (20:23):

He has some legit stomach issues and Nick Rod jumps in, but then Nikki, rod and Gordon were having a bunch of beef because Nikki Rod basically, basically Gordon is calling him Nicki Fried and then

Sevan Matossian (20:36):

<laugh> because Nicky’s, Nicky’s on this kick to say he’s Natty and, and Gordon’s juice to the gills, right? Yeah,

Jason Khalipa (20:42):

Dude, it’s just you guys, his,

Sevan Matossian (20:46):

It’s a pretty, pretty fun, it’s pretty fun to watch. Do you think that that, that either of them are getting in the other one’s head? I feel like they’re both, that they’re not,

Jason Khalipa (20:53):

Dude, I actually think it’s either a, they’re like, cuz they used to be training partners. So I think either A, they’re just doing what’s good for the sport and hyping it up like this is actually a really good thing. Or B, they really dislike each other. But, but I’m telling you the, uh, man, the videos from these guys are hilarious.

Sevan Matossian (21:12):

So, so this is a ba basically they’ve been accusing, uh, Gordon’s accused accuses Nicki Rod of luing his body up, uh, before the matches. And this is them making fun of themselves. Is this, is this Craig Jones making fun of him? Yeah, we totally lube up. Yeah,

Jason Khalipa (21:25):

Yeah, yeah. And then Craig Jones did like a huge, like, apology, uh, video saying they donated to like his stomach problem. <laugh>. It’s, uh, Hey Brandon, uh, he says, met Calip in the bathroom at a restaurant during rogue most awkward handshake ever. That’s funny. Uh, what’s up man? Thanks for listening. Um,

Sevan Matossian (21:45):

What happened to, um, did you talk to Nikki about that when, when you were with him? A couple

Jason Khalipa (21:49):

Weeks? I appreciate that, Andrew,

Sevan Matossian (21:51):

When you were with him a couple weeks ago, did you talk about that? Do do, do you bring up to Nikki, Hey, what’s the beef with you and Gordon, or no?

Jason Khalipa (21:56):

Nah, dude. I mean, look, I don’t wanna put him in a position where I just was like, Hey man, like, dude, I’ve met Gordon, I’ve rolled with Gordon. Super nice guy, has always been super cool to me. Um, Nick Rod has always been good to me, always treated me really right. Um, I worked out with him. He’s a, he’s a beast dude. Um, and then, uh, you know, these other guys I’ve never met, um, Pena, but, uh, I’ve met Craig Jones and dude, everybody’s super cool. They just got their beef going on. I actually think it’s a good thing for this sport. It drives hype.

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

Look at, um, look at, he just tosses that ball over, uh, his, uh, shoulder. Like, it’s nothing,

Jason Khalipa (22:30):

Bro. This guy, he’s just got some natural athleticism, his movement overhead, you know, a lot of grapplers that I work with, their shoulder range emotion, I is just really poor because they’re so used to being in this closed off kind of like wrestling position. And so when you, when you get ’em to open up their shoulders, it makes a huge difference. Like for him doing a devil’s press or holding the dumbbell. How heavy

Sevan Matossian (22:51):

Is that bag? That ball right there? Is that a 50 or 60 or

Jason Khalipa (22:54):

No, that’s a, um, that was

Sevan Matossian (22:57):

80. Well, tell me that’s 180. Oh, that was

Jason Khalipa (22:59):

80. Yeah. What’s this guy saying? Who’s Oh, Christine saying Damnit. Jason Focus. Yeah, sorry. I have what they call attention problems. No,

Sevan Matossian (23:10):

Leave Jason alone. Don’t, don’t listen to them.

Jason Khalipa (23:12):

Dude. What about

Sevan Matossian (23:14):

The, what about the footage? Did just, Nicky White, he’s always letting his dick flop around in his shorts. Have you seen these videos he makes where like, he’s on, like, you could see his dick bouncing around in his shorts. He does that on purpose, right?

Jason Khalipa (23:25):

Hey, man, I, I don’t know, I’m not trying to <laugh> I don’t know what you’re looking at, but, uh,

Sevan Matossian (23:31):

Kayla, do you know what video I’m talking about? He’s on, he’s on the, um, he’s on his driveway and he’s wearing some boxers and you can see his fucking sausage slapping around in his shorts.

Jason Khalipa (23:39):

<laugh>, dude, he’s probably as more comfortable. Maybe he’s more comfortable. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (23:45):

Let me see where it is. He, he, he, he’s on his driveway at his, uh, house.

Jason Khalipa (23:49):

Did we film the video a long time ago on the double under at the gym Uhhuh. And we had to refilm it because it was just too, uh, it was just

Sevan Matossian (23:57):

Too much. Dick bouncing around

Jason Khalipa (23:58):

Too much, too much bouncing around.

Sevan Matossian (24:00):

Wow. It’s great.

Jason Khalipa (24:04):

Naty Natty Rodd.

Sevan Matossian (24:06):

So, so you filmed a double under video and you had too much dick bouncing around me. Yeah,

Jason Khalipa (24:12):

No, I didn’t.

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

Who, who, who, who had the too much dick bouncing around in the double under video? Who was the

Jason Khalipa (24:16):

Double Oh, double. Oh no, this is Alex Raw years ago. And then, you know, pat Arbor, he would normally just free ball all the time, so he always had some something going on.

Sevan Matossian (24:23):

Some dick moving around in his shorts.

Jason Khalipa (24:25):

Great. He was letting ride.

Sevan Matossian (24:26):

That needs to be a bigger trend.

Jason Khalipa (24:29):

Dude, I can’t do it.

Sevan Matossian (24:30):

I can’t, I didn’t even, uh, I didn’t even, Chevy’s the only one watching that. I didn’t even see him do any double unders. I just, I just, I only saw Dick the whole entire, uh, he did 200 double unders. I didn’t see one.

Jason Khalipa (24:39):

The truth is, I don’t know how a guy works out. Uh, I mean, not to gu off on a tangent, but like, oh, please. You gotta have, you gotta have some type of compression. I mean, me

Sevan Matossian (24:48):

Too. I agree.

Jason Khalipa (24:49):

I generally work out, um, if I’m doing like something simple, I’ll wear like, just like boxer briefs, but if I’m ready to, you know, get after it, I’m wearing compression shorts all day. You gotta keep it tight, you know? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (25:00):

I wear, I wear these things that are kind of like tidy whitey, but they’re briefs. They’re just really tight briefs.

Jason Khalipa (25:05):

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the compression feels good when you squat. I feel like I get an extra bounce. Um, but also, I don’t know how people do stuff when they’re like, yeah, I don’t know, man. Especially like if you’re snatching or something, not No, thank you.

Sevan Matossian (25:17):

Hey, um, uh, Jared Perlmutter went to Orange Theory Jar. Oh, oh, you know what? I always called him Jared. I found out last night. His name is Jared.

Jason Khalipa (25:24):

Yeah, Jared Pearl, jp. Yeah, he went to, he, um, yeah, he took a, took a role at Orange Theory and, um, that’s kind of complicated how that all went down. But yeah, he, um, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (25:37):

Hey, does, and does he still own a CrossFit gym?

Jason Khalipa (25:40):

No, he sold that one.

Sevan Matossian (25:43):

Cra I, i, it’s, it’s so crazy that he went there. You know, there was another, uh, executive there at CrossFit who went to Orange Theory.

Jason Khalipa (25:50):

Yeah. Jason. Jason, uh, something

Sevan Matossian (25:53):


Jason Khalipa (25:54):


Sevan Matossian (25:56):

Yeah. What, what a, uh, I, I just don’t see the, I, I mean, I’ve never worked at Orange Theory, I just don’t see the cultures having anything in common. When I saw Jason Dunlop’s, um, uh, he, he wrote, he wrote something about how excited he is to go work at, at, at Orange Theory and like, help the brand. It was like the antithesis of everything that you’re supposed to say, you know, about helping people and getting people fitter and it, it was crazy.

Jason Khalipa (26:23):

Yeah. Maybe, I mean, I look at it a little bit differently. Like, my opinion

Sevan Matossian (26:26):

Is that

Jason Khalipa (26:27):

Yeah, these guys are professionals. They’re trying to provide for their family. They’re trying to, you know, they’re, this is their career. This isn’t a game to them. You know, this is something that, and if they feel like they’re at an organization and they don’t feel like it’s the organization, like, I, I think that the problem, the, the, the struggle, and I know some people are talking about re affiliation here, let’s talk about it. The struggle with CrossFit, and I think it’s something that’s really important to note, is that, dude, you could love the community, you could love the methodology. You could be all about that shit a hundred percent. But you know, it is a business and if you are part of the business, or if you don’t align with where the business is going, it doesn’t mean you’re anti CrossFit. It just means that you’re trying to do what’s best for the people that depend on you. And in for these people, it’s their families, it’s their whoever else. So if they don’t feel trajectory or growth at CrossFit hq, it doesn’t mean that they’re anti CrossFit, it just means that they see potential somewhere else and you know, they want to impact lives through that route. Uh, maybe I’m being soft about it. It’s just the reality. It’s

Sevan Matossian (27:22):

Like, no, no, no. I think everything you’re saying is right, but it’s like this. If you work somewhere and, and I don’t know what it’s like to work at CrossFit now, but if you work somewhere and it has certain values and then, and then you switch places that don’t have that values and you’re compromising your values. But I saw that he had a he himym in there, and that makes me think that he got something wrong with his thinking process anyway, but, and I’m friends with him, I like him, but, but when I see that I just see fucking close-minded bigot. That’s my immediate reaction.

Jason Khalipa (27:49):

Yeah. So, and I’d I’d say that, you know, if your goal, so what’s your goal, right? If you’re a, if you’re a professional in the fitness space, your goal is to impact people through fitness. Your goal is to provide for your family, right? And if you are not gaining traction or, or growth in an organization, dude, I just think we have to give these guys like, and maybe people are gonna be like, Hey, fuck you, Jason, whatever. It’s just like, look to me, it’s

Sevan Matossian (28:12):

Really, no, I think you sound compassionate. I think you sound compassionate and I think you sound, I

Jason Khalipa (28:16):

Am compassionate because dude, at the end of the day, like you could still love cross him believe it’s the best way to get people in shape. It doesn’t mean that if there’s no opportunities from a, from a growth perspective, doesn’t mean you might have to go take another opportunity from a business perspective to provide for your family. Like, dude, that’s your future. That’s your livelihood. You gotta send your kids to college. And if you don’t have trajectory with the organization, it doesn’t mean you can’t still support CrossFit and love CrossFit, you know, like, right. I just, I think the, the, the struggle is, is like, you know, CrossFit’s impacted a lot of people’s lives. And so when you do anything that, you know, seems anti CrossFit, you seem like you’re like an, I understand how people are. I

Sevan Matossian (28:52):

Don’t think orange theory’s anti CrossFit, by the way.

Jason Khalipa (28:54):

Yeah, yeah. It’s just a diff it’s a different path, you know? Yeah. Um, you know what I mean?

Sevan Matossian (28:58):

I, um, I, and, and, and going along the same lines as what you’re saying, I can think of a dozen affiliates who’ve told me that they were gonna close, Hey, I’m just not gonna do this anymore. Then they have a client that, um, they cure of type two diabetes, and then they get purpose and they stay open another year. And then after that they close. Right? That’s right. So there is that. And when I was just actually talking with Suza quite extensively about that, you probably have had this too, where there’s these moments where you’re like, you want to close, but, but you feel like you’re helping so many people. You can’t,

Jason Khalipa (29:31):

Dude. So one of the,

Sevan Matossian (29:32):

And, and that’s real. And, and that’s a fucking, that’s a pretty crazy place to be in.

Jason Khalipa (29:36):

I hope that anybody listening right now, if you get proposition to take over your gym, because owner right now, more than ever, there’s more across the gyms that are switching ownerships. If you get propositioned or if you think that it’s a good idea, take over your gym with a group of people in your gym because you know the owner is gonna close it. And the only reason why you wanna keep it open is because you don’t wanna lose your community of 5,000 whatever members. Yeah. That’s real. That’s a real feeling. You’re talking about.

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