#802 – The CrossFit Open | Hiller vs 23.1

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

I, I said, you look good. Now what happened?

Taylor Self (00:03):

What do you mean? Where did you see me? And I looked fat.

Sevan Matossian (00:05):

I don’t know. You looked chubby or something somewhere. I saw you.

Taylor Self (00:07):

I do think that you were just, I was flexing these bad boys. And you said they looked great. Yeah, but I’m pretty sure they looked huge. But I think that I smoked too much weed growing up and it stunted like my balls. You know how it does that makes your nuts smaller?

Sevan Matossian (00:24):


Taylor Self (00:25):

Oh, <laugh>, <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Hiller needs to smoke some weed. He got crazy saggy balls. Where is Hiller? Is he coming? That’s

Taylor Self (00:33):

Crazy. Zacky balls.

Sevan Matossian (00:34):

<laugh>. Uh, this is, uh, absolutely crazy. I, I wanna start, I wanna show, I cannot believe what’s just happened. We are the luckiest podcast in the world. What you guys are about to see today is I, I suspect you’re about to see the first person do the CrossFit open with the proper weights. I don’t know if you guys are following the shit show that’s, uh, occurring here, but, uh, Laura, Laura, uh, Manawa and, uh, Gabby Hvat. Oh, you can say anything you want. CrossFit has set the standard for Fuckups. They did the wrong weights. Laura Hvat and Gabby Manawa are sleeping right now. And when they wake up, CrossFit’s gonna have a little note for ’em. Uh, sorry. We use the wrong weights. I could only imagine. I could only imagine how pissed off Bill and Katie are right now. So pissed. You say why? Because they fucking give a fuck. I would say

Caleb Beaver (01:30):

It’s almost, I Well, you could spin it and be like, well, at least the barbells are properly annotated so that somebody watching it on TV would know the weights. But I mean, they used to wrong.

Sevan Matossian (01:41):

I’ve been telling CrossFit and I’ve been telling you, you know who I’m talking about. You’re a guest on this show that you have a significant amount of morons working in the games department and in the media department, and the fact that you have 15 or 20 people in Madrid who don’t need to be there, and that you could load the wrong weights.

Taylor Self (02:08):

The girls did 83 pounds.

Sevan Matossian (02:11):

Taylor’s juicing

Taylor Self (02:13):

<laugh>, right?

Sevan Matossian (02:14):

If Taylor and Hill are confused, uh, I’m fucking

Taylor Self (02:16):

Eating banana bread.

Sevan Matossian (02:17):

Well, what will someone call fucking Hillary? What the fuck is going on? I know. I think he looks handsome too. It looks great. Uh, let me, I wanna pull this up. This is from, uh, MBA Workplace <laugh>. Uh, this, this post here, uh, what makes me feel confident in my job? A learning new skills, B, successful, uh, delivery of my projects, or c, other coworkers being app. So loot morons.

Taylor Self (02:44):

That does get me going. Dude,

Sevan Matossian (02:47):

Last year we were able to hack in and get the workout ahead of time. Well, we weren’t able to. Some Italian dude did.


Or Spanish. Sorry. You guys are all the same to me over there. And, uh, and you’re the black-haired people. And then, uh, uh, and then, uh, this year they loaded the wrong weights. C c can I, can I go through with you guys this list of, of fucking disasters? I know you guys are on the same thread as me. Can we go through these? Do you mind JR and Taylor? No. You guys like, okay, good. Alright. Thank you. You guys are good, dude. Uh, okay, so Bill and Katie must be pissed. Not good to upset Bill and Katie, uh, representing the, someone that they’re deeply affiliated with. I think Noble also sponsors that shit, right? Like, I wonder how they feel. What are they

Taylor Self (03:36):


Sevan Matossian (03:37):

I think they’re the sponsor of all that shit this year. Not just the games, but all the open announcements

Taylor Self (03:41):

Quoting Greg Glassman and not, and not crediting him. They sponsor that

Sevan Matossian (03:46):

<laugh>. Yeah, that too. 38 kilos. Yes. Yes. Okay. Uh, there’s a graphic I, I’d like, I’d like to, it’s so crazy they can’t get this shit. Shit straight. Someone needs to be, uh, oh. I don’t want say it. Someone’s gonna say it in the comments. I’ll tell you when I see the comment. Uh, go. What? Okay. Uh, do you see this graphic I sent you Caleb, by any chance? Sorry. I know I sent them too late. It’s a, a wall ball versus what’s written. Okay, so look at this picture here, guys. The, it says the rep is credited when the center of the ball hits the target clearly above the specified height. And then the picture shows that the center of the ball hitting above the specified height is a no rep. Am I, am I, can someone help me? Are you guys seeing that too?

JR Howell (04:37):

Yeah, that’s correct. And the, the, the rule for, I don’t know, for forever has been, you know, the rep is credited when the center of the ball hits at or above the target line. And in the judge’s course said the same thing, but this picture isn’t consistent with that.

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

Uh, uh, Zoe, welcome to the show. Uh, there’s a typo in your name. It’s, it’s hardwood, uh, Zoe Hardwood is your name. H h a r d. But welcome to the show. That’s what we do here. We, we correct things. Um,

JR Howell (05:07):

But I mean, I feel like you gotta go by the picture. Like, I know tomorrow at the gym, uh, I messaged all the coaches that said, Hey, this is what we’re doing. We’re doing what the picture says. Because we have, we have targets that mount on the rig, just like those metal targets.

Sevan Matossian (05:18):

Okay? So don’t, don’t follow the written word. Follow the picture.

JR Howell (05:22):

Well, because, well, because if anything, they’re just doing a few more inches of work, they’re not doing any less.

Taylor Self (05:27):

And the wall balls are so, such an irrelevant part of the workout anyways.

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

Oh, just, yeah. Uh, well, I, well I did hear also that b kg, that they, that they’ve changed the judging this year versus when it was done as 14.4, which makes it so it’s not a repeat, right? They’ve changed the, the standards.

Taylor Self (05:50):

Whoa, dude, John Federman checked himself into the hospital to be treated for clinical depression.

Sevan Matossian (05:56):

<laugh>, did you really just read that?

Taylor Self (05:58):

Yeah, dude. Is that, is that old news? I’ll go for

Sevan Matossian (06:01):

Myself. No, but he had a stroke a couple days ago, I think.

Taylor Self (06:03):

Oh, what? Okay.

Sevan Matossian (06:05):

Yeah. Another, another. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I guess this is equity. Just throw the ball where you want it to

Taylor Self (06:12):

And do, oh my god. 14 or 15 minutes either way.

Sevan Matossian (06:15):

Uh, I I do, I did hear this though. Uh, in, in all seriousness, I hear that the, uh, CrossFit, d e i council is looking into this. They say that the Spaniards, the whole country of Spain is, uh, uh, misogynists. And that’s why the women’s bars were loaded wrong, cuz uh, they didn’t think the women were strong enough to actually do the heavier weight. So, uh, time cap. Uh, Brian, a friend on his Instagram in his stories noticed, uh, that there’s a time cap issue. I, is it a 14 minute or 15 minute time cap? Amap. Yeah. Uh, sorry. Amap. H how, how, how are the Thank you Jer. How are the authorities getting this wrong? Am I, do you guys think I’m being petty?

Taylor Self (07:00):

Maybe they’ve got Joe Biden running their media department.

Sevan Matossian (07:03):

I’m not being petty, right? These are like, this is like crazy important details at this time, right?

Taylor Self (07:09):

Time cap. 15 minutes. What the fuck over

Sevan Matossian (07:15):

You guys think I am being petty? Tell me it’s okay.

Taylor Self (07:18):

No, I think it’s just, there’re little

Sevan Matossian (07:20):

Beat. Any of you up? I can’t beat any of you up with five of my best friends. Tell me, am I being petty?

Taylor Self (07:25):

No. There are a lot of little mistakes that like, I

Sevan Matossian (07:29):

Mean’s, Hey, this isn’t Adrian. You have to know this is not Adrian. This is not, this does not fall under Adrian’s. This is, uh, these, these are media issues. Who does

Taylor Self (07:37):

It fall

Sevan Matossian (07:37):

Under? Oh, nice of you to show up. Ding dong. Who does it

Andrew Hiller (07:40):

Fall on? I thought I was warming up and coming in later.

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

No, no. You come in at five with the rest of us.

Taylor Self (07:45):

What are you shooting for? Hiller.

Sevan Matossian (07:46):

And let us warm and let us watch your, your saggy balls warm up. You don’t warm up, dude.

Andrew Hiller (07:50):

The sast. Hey, I warmed up a little bit for this. The

Taylor Self (07:53):

Sa <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (07:55):

Hey, uh, uh, do you think I’m being petty, uh, Hiller when I say that? Um, they should, they should make sure that they get the time cap posted right on their Instagram. No

Andrew Hiller (08:05):

Way that’s gonna confuse so many people. It’s head of my entire shit.

Sevan Matossian (08:10):

So what is the time cap? Is it 14 or 15 minutes? It’s

Taylor Self (08:13):

A 14 minute am

Andrew Hiller (08:15):

It’s 14 minutes.

Sevan Matossian (08:16):

Sorry. Amap. Sorry. 14 minute am Look at, I’m gonna confuse I’m confused myself.

Andrew Hiller (08:22):

14 minutes.

Taylor Self (08:22):

Hillary. Hillary, you gotta see this. You know, Tyler Watkins is saying he thinks he can beat you.

Andrew Hiller (08:27):

<laugh>, I I want you on bet 500 burpees

Taylor Self (08:30):

<laugh> a thousand burpees. Respond in the comments Tyler

Sevan Matossian (08:34):

Take. You guys are about to see, by the way, the first official person do this workout since CrossFit botched did earlier today. Uh, Lord and Gabby scores, uh, although they don’t know it yet, Lauren, Gabby did the workout and their scores, uh, are invalid because they used the wrong weights. CrossFit gave ’em the wrong weights.

Andrew Hiller (08:49):

So have we talked about the wall ball target yet?

Sevan Matossian (08:52):

We did. Do you want We can, we can bring it back up. Do you wanna talk the, the, well,

Andrew Hiller (08:55):

I, I know what the picture states, but I also see what the words say. And I have it set up. I actually, I have a separate camera here. I’m gonna need to wire in. But if you can see my attic over here, I have to open it up to do wall balls. So I have to move this target over here and I gotta do wall balls into the attic to

Sevan Matossian (09:13):

Hit that. Are you doing it against the, that incredible stud back there with the CEO shirt on?

Andrew Hiller (09:18):

Uh, this is Kevin. He’s my judge. I figured it’d be only fitting if I had a judge here. So yeah, this is Kevin Neil, come on over. Kevin,

Sevan Matossian (09:24):

Say, Hey Kevin. What’s up dude? Nice shirt brother. Thanks.

Taylor Self (09:27):

Nice quads too.

Sevan Matossian (09:28):

Thanks for doing that. Wow. Nice quads, nice shirt, biceps,

Andrew Hiller (09:31):

Whatever said

Taylor Self (09:31):

That. Nice. Biceps

Andrew Hiller (09:33):


Sevan Matossian (09:35):

All right. Uh, so, so what do you want to say? What, what target, where are you gonna throw it? Since we don’t know what the official, uh, JR says they’re going above the line at his gym across the, you’re going above it.

JR Howell (09:44):


Andrew Hiller (09:45):

I’m just gonna, I can go above it.

JR Howell (09:47):

Um, yeah, I mean, we have, we have a bunch of the metal targets just like you do. And we have it put up to where the bolt in between the nine and 10 feet is the 10 foot line. So I’m just gonna tell ’em all the bowl has to be completely above the bolt.

Andrew Hiller (09:59):

So the top of the bolt is 10 feet.

Taylor Self (10:03):

Yeah, whatever you want, dude. Just fucking whatever you

Sevan Matossian (10:05):


Andrew Hiller (10:06):

What’d you do it to?

JR Howell (10:07):

We’re doing what the picture says. Not, not what the word say. We don’t,

Taylor Self (10:10):

Don’t have like adjustable targets like that. So I taped off, we have ’em all taped off at 10 and nine feet. It’s just a tape line and I threw it like way over the tape line.

Andrew Hiller (10:19):

Okay, I’ll go, I’ll, I’ll clear the ball. Kevin, you hear that? We gotta clear the tape line with the ball

Sevan Matossian (10:22):

And it’s a 14 minute am wrap. Even though CrossFit said it’s 15, we’re gonna do this thing official Hillary.

Taylor Self (10:27):

And it’s definitely ring muscle ups, not bar

Andrew Hiller (10:31):

Did. Uh, Watkins is respond to,

Taylor Self (10:34):

He sets 500 burpees. He’s a pussy.

Andrew Hiller (10:36):

He thinks he can take me down on this. Good fucking luck.

Taylor Self (10:39):


Sevan Matossian (10:40):

Hill of Kelly Diller. 99.

Taylor Self (10:42):

Let’s go.

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

Uh, lucky camera straps. 1499 Go Hiller. I placed and got 181 reps for a spud me like me. It’s great. That must be Australian talk. Talk a spud what is, uh, I started slow and also the right, what’s the right strategy

JR Howell (10:57):

For you? I think it’s one, I think it’s one muscle up.

Sevan Matossian (10:59):

Ah, oh,

JR Howell (11:00):

Is it?

Taylor Self (11:01):

I don’t know. Starting slow is not the right strategy for elite athletes. Do you wanna talk about your tips? Jr Let’s, let’s go over tips.

Sevan Matossian (11:09):

Hold on, hold on, hold on. We’ll get there. One second. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

JR Howell (11:13):

60, 50, 40 is one 50 plus the 30 is 180 plus the muscle up. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (11:19):

Uh, okay, so, um, oh, I see what you were doing. He got one muscle up. Okay, so, so they, they posted, uh, on the, uh, game’s Instagram that Laura was the third, uh, fittest, uh, uh, or that Laura was the second fittest woman last year when she’s actually the third fittest. They fucked that up. Uh, this is a repeat workout, but they’ve changed some of the standards, so it’s not like leave it alone. Uh, they were posting Rich’s record from 2014 while the girls were going at the end when they should have posted Sam Bri Briggs record.

Andrew Hiller (11:48):


Sevan Matossian (11:52):

God, the media’s a show. Here we go. Look it, uh, uh, guys, uh, that you’re saying that, um, tonight, uh, at crossfit.com you can watch, uh, Laura Hova, uh, the second fittest woman on Earth. Uh, okay, so she’s the third fittest. Get that right. And actually you can’t watch Laura do it because you gave her the wrong weights. So you’ll, you guys, you won’t get to see Laura Gabby do it. You’ll be stuck seeing, um, Andrew Hiller do it. Well. So, and our guy’s not even legit. He’s juiced up. So yeah, you won’t, I is that, is that what’s more legit to have juiced up Hiller or the wrong weights for the girls?

Taylor Self (12:28):

I gotta tilt my camera

Andrew Hiller (12:29):

Up. Laura got the toes to bar. It was crazy. I was wondering why they were going touching

Taylor Self (12:35):

Y’all. Yeah, but 12 pounds lighter.

JR Howell (12:38):

I think she, I think she would’ve beaten the guys back to the rower even if she had 10 more pounds.

Sevan Matossian (12:43):

Uh, Hillary’s bodyguard is, uh, Kevin Neely, that’s his judge, Kevin Neely.

Taylor Self (12:47):

They were 12 pounds off on the barbell. That is so much weight for women.

Andrew Hiller (12:52):

That’s like me doing it. 15, right?

Taylor Self (12:55):

At least. Yeah, it’s like Hill are doing it at one 15, which is a crazy difference.

Sevan Matossian (12:59):

Uh, how, what, what’s the percentage of that? 12 pounds. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Come on guys. Hey, how did no one notice that? Or is that absurd? How did the girls not notice it when they felt it?

Andrew Hiller (13:14):

What she said?

Taylor Self (13:15):

It’s like 10%.

JR Howell (13:17):

They probably just thought, they probably just thought, oh, with, with all this adrenaline, the bar feels like,

Sevan Matossian (13:21):

Oh, fair. Uh, the scaled workouts that CrossFit posted were wrong. You guys better double check that. Uh, they’ve since pulled it down and reposted it. I don’t know if it’s correct. Now, uh, the website’s been down several times. Uh, not a smart workout. This is where I think I disagree with Taylor a little bit here and agree with a little bit with JR this is not a smart workout to have his workout number one for affiliates. This is not an easy workout for

JR Howell (13:43):

Affiliates. Let me clarify that. Okay. Okay. Let me clarify that. I think just to set it up and do it is not an issue. But


I actually was talking to Chase about this privately. What I mean by that is, if you have 20 plus athletes that are all want to talk trash and beat each other and they’re all gonna be borderline semi-final athletes team or individual, it would be nice to be able to set it up to where everything is eight feet apart the way you want it, and to run more than heats of two or three at a time. Which in my gym, the way that the rings are set up with the rig, that’s not the case. That that was, that was the only thing I was saying. So really it’s just dealing with, dealing with those athletes that you’re gonna be upset when they know that they’re, this is not a workout of transitions. They’re not gonna be in a hurry to jump up on the rings. They’re not gonna be in a hurry to start the wall balls after the toaster bar. It’s not that kind of a workout.

Taylor Self (14:39):

And this is the, the reality for most affiliates is you’re not worried about, okay, my rings are exactly eight feet away from my rower. What JR is just saying, like the transitions are gonna be massive in most affiliates, but if you can run Filthy one, if you can run the filthy 50 in a class like, or fight gone bad, or any workout that’s got multiple movements, I don’t think it’s an issue to run. What, what the issue becomes is what JR is saying. If you have multiple competitive athletes, how do you get them all racing each other in the same heat and you just can’t really do that.

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

Anthony today CrossFit Inc. Went to Spain with God knows how many employees and how much fucking money it costs. And they did a live event for the CrossFit Open. And they had, they brought two of the best female athletes in the world there, Laura Hort and Gabby Manawa. And at 3, 2, 1 go, they started the workout for the worldwide open for 2023. And guess what? They had the wrong weight on the bar. It was supposed to be 95 pounds and it was 83 pounds. Can you believe that Anthony? Shit, can you say shit Show. Hello? Barry MCC Cocker. Oh, I wonder if Taylor gets that. Taylor, do you get that joke? Barry, Mike Cocker? Because I didn’t get

Taylor Self (16:07):

It. I took a while on the show. Slow guy like me.

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

So you didn’t get it either?

Taylor Self (16:13):


Sevan Matossian (16:13):

Good. Me neither. They were making fun of me the other day cuz he’s been on the, he’s been in the comments now for a year and I just figured it out. I didn’t even figure it out. Someone had explained it to me two nights ago. Are

Taylor Self (16:21):

You kidding me?

Sevan Matossian (16:23):

<laugh>? Oh, I wish I was okay, so the weights were wrong. Um, uh, they said on the feed, uh, that no one could have predicted this workout. Uh, they were wrong there. Uh, Brian friend was on a couple nights ago and he predicted this. Um, let’s also not forget that this is 14.4 for a reason. This was the fourth workout in the open for a reason. Because whoever programmed it, nice step the field Hiller, whoever programmed it, knew that this isn’t the kind of workout you have. If you want to increase the number of open participants, I think this, this scares people away. I don’t think this is the lowest barrier to entry. I think they should have chosen, uh, something they should have consulted JR Howell.

Taylor Self (17:06):

I don’t know. I like the

Sevan Matossian (17:06):

Word. Oh, you’re biased is fuck you think you don’t. Even you I think so biased. You only think like a, a 19 year old testosterone field games athlete. Seriously? Would you like empathy for the rest of of the world?

JR Howell (17:17):

No way, dude, this is arguably the, for the, for 99% of people, this is arguably the most enjoyable open workout ever programmed. And the least painful because of all the barriers to entry as you go along with the workout.

Sevan Matossian (17:33):

Oh, so you di you disagree, but for, for, but you disagree. You like it?

JR Howell (17:38):

Oh my gosh. I mean as far as, uh, repeats go, I think this is, this was like the only option that would’ve been a good option.

Sevan Matossian (17:45):

And but you think it should have been, you think it should you agree that it should be 23.1? Like you don’t think it should have been 23.4 and they should have had like something like, um, for one No,

JR Howell (17:52):

Don’t, no, I don’t care about that.

Taylor Self (17:55):

I gonna talk strategy. People wanna care.

Sevan Matossian (17:57):

Okay, so now that we know that, uh, CrossFit is completely shit the bed we are going to take over and we are going to, uh, we’re gonna talk strategy with Taylor and then Hillary’s gonna get this. Hey, do you wanna talk strategy while Hiller’s going? Should we get him started?

JR Howell (18:09):

Yeah, we can do that. He’s gonna, when he is ready, we’re gonna have about two minutes. He’s gonna be off the row in two probably.

Sevan Matossian (18:13):

Okay. Uh, Hillary, we’re ready when you are. Taylor, go ahead.

Taylor Self (18:15):

So I was thinking from, you know, I did the workout a few hours ago and I really think, you know, giving one general piece of advice for strategy is tough on this one because you have people that are gonna smash the workout in people that don’t have muscle ups. I think if you’re somebody who expects to get into the muscle ups or finish them, then pacing the row is really important. Small sets on the toes to bar with fast breaks is important. And I think the wall balls are irrelevant enough to me that you should be doing them unbroken or in two sets, uh, at most. And then personally I’d approach it with singles on the barbell, leaving yourself enough energy to get deep into the muscle ups. If you don’t have muscle ups, then you need to get to the cleans fast and finish them as fast as you can so that you can maximize your tiebreak time.

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

Uh, you’re, you’re, if you could do 30 cleans at 1 35 and you don’t have a muscle up, you’re ding dong.

Taylor Self (19:12):

There’s a lot of people that can do that, I’m sure.

Sevan Matossian (19:15):


Taylor Self (19:15):

Yeah. A ton of people. Dude, you can’t do 30 cleans at 1 35, but you can do like 30 muscle ups.

Sevan Matossian (19:20):

I know, that’s what I mean. Well I maybe I could do 30 cleans at 1 35. My maybe not in this timeframe though. Hey, what do you think about this? Like, someone like me, I would just do this whole workout at the time cap. I would just finish the workout and just go take the hour to do it. You have a problem with that?

Taylor Self (19:35):

Yeah. Andy would cancel your membership.

Sevan Matossian (19:37):

No shit. It’s just too much

Taylor Self (19:39):

<laugh>. No, I think you would say if, if you get to the 14 minute mark and you can keep going, you didn’t do the workout right?

Sevan Matossian (19:46):

Oh, what do you, what do you think, Jr you let your clients finish this. You’re at the, you’re at the, you’re at the toes to bar at the 14 minutes. <laugh>, are you allowed to just like finish it, grind it out for the next 45 minutes and and play with it?

JR Howell (19:58):

Yeah, I’ll let ’em continue to try to get through it. And if, like, especially if they’re not signed up and they’re just in there to get a good workout in, if they get to the muscle ups and they’re gonna do burpee, pullups or whatever, they’re gonna substitute with ring dips, low ring transitions, whatever. I’ll let him finish it. Just with the caveat of when the, when the next class is getting briefed, you stop working out until they’re done. Fair getting briefed and then you can continue.

Taylor Self (20:19):


Sevan Matossian (20:20):

Uh, did anyone watch, uh, this live? How, how is the judging for this? How are the muscle ups can

Taylor Self (20:24):

Watch it live?

Sevan Matossian (20:25):


Andrew Hiller (20:26):

Jean, can I mention something

Sevan Matossian (20:28):

Please? Jean? Who the fuck is Jean? I said

Andrew Hiller (20:31):


Sevan Matossian (20:32):

Team. Oh yes, yes, yes. Like

Andrew Hiller (20:33):

The three of you? Yes. The rules stay. Eight foot separations. And I think you guys have already been talking about this. It’s actually impossible to get it all your feet apart in here and have it make sense where my rig is, where the rings are. I’m just stating that right now. I can go outside I suppose.

Taylor Self (20:51):

No, I, I placed all my stuff like, like everything was like eight feet apart from, from itself other than the wall ball and the to bar like thrower was eight feet

Andrew Hiller (21:01):

Up against that wall, which is eight feet away from the rings and the wall ball target, I’ll be doing zabar actually over here, which good you can see and that’s eight feet apart. But there’s no way for me to get perfect. I don’t know.

Taylor Self (21:18):

Clap it dude. Just fucking clap it.

Sevan Matossian (21:20):

Yeah. Hiller should have worn his Gaines box shorts. Let us cock flop around there. Hey Hiller. Um, uh, do you have a strategy you’d like to share with us?

Andrew Hiller (21:30):

I’ve done this.

Andrew Hiller (21:31):

Morse morse morse morse morse morse morse morse morse

Sevan Matossian (21:40):


Andrew Hiller (21:40):

Morse morse

Sevan Matossian (21:42):


Andrew Hiller (21:44):

Morse morse morse

Sevan Matossian (21:45):

Killer. You gotta hang up and come back. You gotta hang up and come back.

Taylor Self (21:48):

Audio’s fucked. He just detain.

Sevan Matossian (21:51):

You gotta you gotta leave and come back. <laugh>. I’ve never seen that. Have you ever seen that Caleb?

Taylor Self (21:56):

No. That’s fucking crazy. More <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (22:00):

What was that? I think he was gonna say, I’ve done this more times than any

Andrew Hiller (22:03):

Other open workout. Just did this, did this, did

Taylor Self (22:04):

This, did this, did this. Same thing. Same thing. Just different words even come back. Even come back.

Sevan Matossian (22:11):

Oh my goodness. I tried to kick him from the studio. I couldn’t Caleb. That’s cuz he’s got admin, admin capabilities. He’s got too much power.

Taylor Self (22:21):

Yeah, it’s too much power. He needs a

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

Okay. Uh, 60 calorie row. 50 toes to bar 40. 40

Taylor Self (22:31):

Myself if Hillary beats

Sevan Matossian (22:32):

Me. What, what guys? Little help here. 60 row 40 balls. Uh, wall balls. Uh, 30. What’s the 30?

Taylor Self (22:39):


Sevan Matossian (22:40):

Cleans at 1 35. And uh, 20. Do you want to tell Hillary your score so he knows what to shoot for Taylor? 25?

Taylor Self (22:47):

No dude. <laugh>. I’m not telling anybody my score. It sucked.

Sevan Matossian (22:50):

Hey, uh, Hillary, um, do you, are you gonna finish this?

Taylor Self (22:56):


Sevan Matossian (22:58):

I can’t hear him now. I can’t hear you at all. No audio. No

Taylor Self (23:01):


Sevan Matossian (23:02):

You might have to go back to, you might have to take down your fancy camera, dude. Betcha. Kevin Neely’s texting, uh, your wife right now, fiance.

Andrew Hiller (23:10):

Is that better or no?

Taylor Self (23:11):

Yeah, we got

Andrew Hiller (23:12):

You. Yeah. Okay, got it. Over here on my little, okay.

Sevan Matossian (23:16):

Uh, uh, so, uh, ladies and gentlemen, this is the, uh, first official, uh, live broadcast of 23.1 anywhere in the world. We have a few, uh, weird things. Our guy is on California hormones, so that’s not necessarily legit. And his, some of his equipment is six feet apart instead of eight feet

Andrew Hiller (23:33):

Apart. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It’s eight feet apart, but it’s right up next to one another.

Sevan Matossian (23:38):

<laugh>, uh, has Kevin Neely taken the judge’s course

Andrew Hiller (23:41):

He has every single year? Yes.

Sevan Matossian (23:43):

No shit. Yeah, he’s the man. Okay, so the one thing that is official is, uh, the judge, the athlete is, uh, not official and the, I don’t know what’s wrong with the, the setup. Okay, here we go. All right. Uh, what, what’s his, uh, what do you think, what do you think he’s gonna get? You think he’s gonna finish this guys?

Taylor Self (24:00):

He’s for sure gonna finish the 20 muscle ups. I think he gets deep into the row

Sevan Matossian (24:05):

For the, for the second round? Yeah. What, what’s the best anyone’s ever done?

Taylor Self (24:10):

What what Laar did? 286 reps.

Sevan Matossian (24:15):

Oh, already he’s already done that.

Taylor Self (24:17):

Yeah, he was, he did the announcement

Sevan Matossian (24:19):

And did he beat, uh, Rich’s. Rich’s, uh mm-hmm. <affirmative>. 14. Wow. Shit. And how far into the road did he get?

Taylor Self (24:26):

He got back into the toaster bar.

JR Howell (24:28):

26 maybe. Is that right? 26.

Taylor Self (24:33):

This is gonna be awesome. 10 seconds.

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

Andrew Hiller, 23.1 to repeat. 14.4. He starts with 60 cows on the row. Uh, and, and what, what does that look like? What, what are some of the, uh, metrics that he’ll be holding? Will he hold a steady number?

Taylor Self (24:54):

I’d guess around 1400 calories per hour.

JR Howell (24:58):

Yeah, that sounds right.

Taylor Self (25:00):

I went out a little hot <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (25:06):

Nice touch. Yes, the uh, the wall ball was also wrong. It said 24 pounds. Yeah, we talked about that. Looks

Taylor Self (25:15):

Like he’s going a bit faster than four now he’s slowing down.

JR Howell (25:18):

So this is something too that, like, I had a, a few pretty high level, um, guys do this workout because they were going outta town for work this weekend. Like

Sevan Matossian (25:26):

Mike and Donald.

JR Howell (25:27):

Uh, he was supposed to, but he didn’t. No. Okay. Um, s something that people need to understand on this is unless there’s a movement that’s literally gonna stop you muscularly to where your heart rate is all the way down and you’re just to muscle fatigue, you, you are not gonna recover on any of the movements after the workout starts. No. Like you, like, if you’re pretty good, you can’t say, well, I’m gonna row pretty hard. I’m gonna be aggressive on the toast to bar and then on the cleans, I’m just gonna let my heart rate come back down before the muscle ups. It’s not, that’s not gonna happen. Like it, you would have to go so slow on the 30 cleans that you’re just not even gonna have time for the muscle ups at the end. People need to know that. It’s like you should build into the workout as far as heart rate goes and ensure the 40 wall balls for a lot of people will not be a difficult reps to achieve. But that doesn’t just mean that you’re gonna be resting during those 40.

Taylor Self (26:23):

Yeah, I went out way too hot. I I did the row a bit faster than everyone in the announcement. <laugh>. I didn’t even watch it. I

Sevan Matossian (26:31):

Just, uh, lucky camera straps smash the like button. Subscribe and donate money. Thanks, dude.

JR Howell (26:37):

I think he’ll get off between two 15 and two 30.

Taylor Self (26:44):

Kevin, what’s the rope? Can they hear us,

Andrew Hiller (26:50):

Kevin? 1400.

Taylor Self (26:53):


Sevan Matossian (26:54):

He, he can only talk if, uh, Hillary gives him permission to talk. Kevin, you have permission to speak. You have permission to speak

JR Howell (27:02):

On the toaster bar. I know Hillary’s pretty good at those. I would say

Sevan Matossian (27:06):

You have permission to speak Kevin at, at any time if you want to like drops like

Taylor Self (27:09):

1400. What’s his, what’s his plan for the toaster bar? What’s that? What’s his plan for the Toda bar? I don’t know.

JR Howell (27:16):

Okay, cool. I think it’s gonna be something like twenty fifteen, ten five.

Sevan Matossian (27:20):

Hey, can you smell him?

Taylor Self (27:21):


Sevan Matossian (27:22):

What’s he smell like?

Taylor Self (27:23):

Not good. <laugh>. All right. Good. <laugh> Not good.

Sevan Matossian (27:30):

Kevin, take off your pants

Taylor Self (27:31):

Too. Cheese.

JR Howell (27:32):

2 22 25 right now.

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

Uh, that’s an, that’s a, uh, really good point. Uh, Mr. Spin has, uh, did Hiller load the bar with the, uh, correct weights?

Taylor Self (27:42):

Uh, Hillary already lost. Just kidding.

Sevan Matossian (27:50):

Okay. Uh, off the rower at, uh, two 40 about straight to the toes to bar.

JR Howell (27:58):

Yeah. And a couple of the guys that I watched through this workout tonight, they’re, they’re really good at toes to bar, but I think they came out a little bit too big on their first set and, and ended up just kind of blowing them up when they got to the cleans and the buffalos. I think I remember, I remember some of the best in the world doing sets of five in 2014 and still getting back to Toast Bar,

Sevan Matossian (28:15):

Uh, Hillary, Hillary’s got some world class, uh, pull-ups in them. Uh, does that translate to probably some amazing toast debar?

JR Howell (28:25):

Yeah, I mean, he said before all hanging gymnastics are a big strength for him.

Sevan Matossian (28:29):

Uh, will he do ’em on broken you think?

Taylor Self (28:31):

No. No. I’m really good at toast Debar and what I did was way too aggressive. I did 25, 15, 10 and that was pretty aggressive.

Sevan Matossian (28:43):

Kevin, how many on his first set, Kevin? 30. 30 on his first set?

JR Howell (28:50):

No, I think he’s at 30. I think he’s 25.

Sevan Matossian (28:52):

Oh, okay. Oh, he was talking to Hiller, not us.

Andrew Hiller (28:55):


Sevan Matossian (28:57):

Okay. 35. Nice. Thank you for calling those out, Kevin. Thank you. No

Taylor Self (29:01):


Sevan Matossian (29:07):

So he did 25, he did 25 and then 10. And uh, you think he’s gonna try to finish it here and get the 50?

Taylor Self (29:13):


JR Howell (29:14):

No, he’ll go. Eight, seven probably. Or

Andrew Hiller (29:17):


Taylor Self (29:18):

Yep. Eight, seven.

Sevan Matossian (29:24):

And he’s using wraps, grips.

JR Howell (29:29):

So what I think you, what I think we need to watch out for is like the eight minute mark. Can you be on the rings at eight with the transitions? Probably about 90 seconds for the wall balls into the clean. And then if he can do those 30 in about two minutes, a little under with a little talk break. If he’s on the rings in eight, he’s got a good chance to get pretty deep in the cows. I think. Let’s go Andrew.

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