#787 – CrossFit Affiliate Series | Javier Jaime of CrossFit OTL

Javier Jaime (00:00):

You did, man. Right On the money. Javier.

Sevan Matossian (00:03):

And, uh, say your, uh, last name for me. Javier.

Javier Jaime (00:05):


Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Is that, that’s two first names.

Javier Jaime (00:09):

Great. Yes. Two first, or I, I have three first names actually. Um, middle name is also common. First name.

Sevan Matossian (00:16):

What’s your, what’s your middle name?

Javier Jaime (00:17):

Well, alright, you asked Orlando.

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

Wow. That is some, that is, that’s an ethnic name. If I ever, uh, heard <laugh> says Savon. Matossian

Javier Jaime (00:29):

<laugh>. My, my mom was, my mom was a fan of Tony Orlando when I was born. And so that’s really where that came from. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (00:37):

Who, who is that? Was that a singer?

Javier Jaime (00:38):

I g I think so, yeah. Singer. Singer in the seventies, sixties, seventies.

Sevan Matossian (00:44):

Um, and I guess they could be last names too. You could be Jaime. Ha. No, no.

Javier Jaime (00:49):

All, all of the above. I’ve met everybody. I’ve, there’s a baseball player, last name Javier. There’s a plenty of people. First name Jaime, absolutely all over the place. There you go. There’s the Man <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (01:03):

He needs some CrossFit. Not a lot. Just a little bit,

Javier Jaime (01:06):

You know, I don’t even know. I don’t even know if he’s still

Sevan Matossian (01:08):

Alive. 10,000 air squats for Tony

Javier Jaime (01:11):

<laugh>. That’s so, uh, I’m glad we opened up with that. My mom will, when she listens to this, will be really proud.

Sevan Matossian (01:20):

Oh, moms are proud. Uh, no matter what we do. Right. Uh, thanks, thanks for coming on. I, I was thinking this morning, um, sometimes I have these guests on who’ve done a lot of podcasts and they’re always surprised that we don’t talk before the show goes on. And I just wanted to remind everyone that pretty much every show you see, the every like, I don’t know these people. They don’t know me. And we just come on and you’re watching two people, um, just kind of bump into each other in an elevator and, and, and, uh, and have a discussion. Yeah. And so are you at home?

Javier Jaime (01:57):

I am, yes.

Sevan Matossian (01:59):

And are you in Dallas?

Javier Jaime (02:01):

Yeah, that’s right. Like right in between Fort Worth and Dallas.

Sevan Matossian (02:03):


Javier Jaime (02:04):

Yeah, we’re a little closer to Fort Worth, but yeah, that’s the, uh, that’s the metro area.

Sevan Matossian (02:08):

And the gym you have there is CrossFit otl.

Javier Jaime (02:11):

CrossFit otl.

Sevan Matossian (02:12):

Yes. And what’s that stand for? The otl

Javier Jaime (02:14):

On the line. On the line.

Sevan Matossian (02:18):

And is there another organization called like Fitness otl or, or

Javier Jaime (02:25):

So, um, well, is there another one? No, not by me.

Sevan Matossian (02:31):

Um, but, but, but, but have you have, did you get mixed up with another gym? I, because when I was, when I was digging around on the internet, I saw another otl and I, I wanna say it was in Austin or something.

Javier Jaime (02:40):

Well, you know what? We went through a heck of a time coming up with a name, you know, going back and forth with CrossFit headquarters, uhhuh, <affirmative>. Um, you know, I probably had about 20 different names before we finally got to settle on. I wouldn’t say settled on OTL before. It was one that wasn’t taken, it wasn’t too similar to another name in the area. So yeah. OTL finally. So I, I, there might be another otl, I don’t think there’s a CrossFit otl,

Sevan Matossian (03:07):


Matthew Souza (03:07):

Not a cro, it’s not an official CrossFit, but there is an OTL in Austin, Texas O TL Fitness.

Javier Jaime (03:12):

Well, you know,

Sevan Matossian (03:13):

I wonder if it stands for on the line too. Is that a common acronym for on the line otl?

Javier Jaime (03:19):

I don’t know. You know, how,

Sevan Matossian (03:22):

How did you, how did you choose that name?

Javier Jaime (03:24):

Yeah. Um, so initially the first facility that we were gonna move into was gonna be a building that was split right on the border of two cities. And literally the border was gonna go right in between the, like right down the center of the building. So one wall is gonna be in one city, another wall is gonna be in the other city. Um, on the border. Sounded too much like, you know, Mexican food. So we

Sevan Matossian (03:49):

Went, I like that on the border <laugh>.

Javier Jaime (03:53):

So we

Sevan Matossian (03:54):

Went with Bring your green card, CrossFit <laugh>.

Javier Jaime (03:56):

Yeah, that’s right. So we went with on the line, uh, and then the debate was, do we go with CrossFit on the line, the whole word? Or we do the acronym only. And then, you know, when you’re affiliating with CrossFit, you have to pick, you have to be really specific. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it’s, you know, it’s otl. I said, okay. So I think OTL is just easier to write out. Yeah. Every time.

Sevan Matossian (04:16):

Well, I like it. And it gives a little conversation cuz people then can ask you, what’s it stand for?

Javier Jaime (04:20):

Well, it has another meaning to us now, actually. So we didn’t move into that building after all.

Sevan Matossian (04:25):


Javier Jaime (04:26):

Uh, we ended up moving to another building. It happens to be on the border again of two of the two towns, but not like split in the middle. But at one point we said, well, we’ll keep otl because it has like a different connotation to us now. Like the on the line now means for us, like, what is on the line, like in your life, like what’s on the line, like your freedom, your health, your, you know, your, your wellness, your family. All of this stuff is on the line. So our answer to is like, what’s on the line? We say everything, everything’s on the line.

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

Yeah. As soon as you said that, the, I heard the little voice in my head say, my family, it’s my family’s on the line. It’s always on the line. It’s,

Javier Jaime (05:02):

Yeah. And that’s really the most important thing to our, our gym. You know, we, we center around the family and, um, you know, our, even our membership kind of kinda shows that. And you

Sevan Matossian (05:12):

Know, what, what do, what do you mean by that? What do you mean you center around the family and your membership shows by that?

Javier Jaime (05:17):

Yeah, so, you know, we’re we’re, uh, our one year anniversary, like just a couple days ago. Um, and

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

Congrats dude. That’s awesome.

Javier Jaime (05:26):

Yeah. No, we’re, yeah, we’re excited. Our, and, and leading right into the, the open. We didn’t really do the open last year, so we’re leading into our first year. We’re gonna do our first like, full, official open. When we opened last year, we had, you know, um, handful of members that came from our garage. And I can talk about that if you, if you wanna hear about that later, please.

Sevan Matossian (05:43):


Javier Jaime (05:44):

Um, but then as we’ve, as we’ve grown, we’ve grown not only in our, you know, our adult members, but our kids and teens. So we, we do emphasize a lot our kids and our teens program. And I think that has a lot to do with, when we started CrossFit, it was a, it was kind of like a family thing. And that’s really what’s going on here. So, you know, so we have a lot of adults. We have adults with their teens. Um, we have the kids program. Um, you pro, the reason I think that I got connected with you through Chase Ingram is, you know, we, we homeschooled our kids. Um, so we have a lot of homeschool communities, you know, as well. A lot of kids that are homeschooled that come through our, come through our program. So it’s really like, you know, a whole family affair.

Sevan Matossian (06:27):

God did, did you, did you saw what happened right there? Suza? Yeah.

Matthew Souza (06:31):

It all connected <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

Yes. Yes.

Javier Jaime (06:36):


Sevan Matossian (06:36):

I say Javier? This is the absolutely least prepared I’ve ever been for a podcast in my life. I spent more time learning nothing about you last night than I’ve learned about anyone. You are very hard to, uh, dig out information on. And I thought, uh, this morning I was making fun of myself to Suza before you came on. I said, watch this one. I said, this is literally gonna be two people bumped into an elevator. Cause I went through your Instagram, it’s very thin. I went through your gym. I’m like, oh, this is gonna be, and I’m like, Hey dude, there’s gotta be some reason I invited. I’m like, by no, like, he adopted some kids or something. It’s something. And then soon as you said the Chase interim homeschool, I was like, yes. <laugh>. It connected.

Javier Jaime (07:15):

Yeah. That was,

Sevan Matossian (07:16):

We’ve made it already. I don’t have to fish for 90 minutes. We’re seven minutes in. And I, and I know why I love Javier. Yes.

Javier Jaime (07:23):

Yeah. I thought I would go ahead and put that out there, right there, so

Sevan Matossian (07:26):

That you God, you’re a good dude.

Matthew Souza (07:28):

Smart man. Javier. Smart man. Yeah. <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (07:31):

Okay. That is absolutely fantastic. Um, uh, h how many members to the gym?

Javier Jaime (07:37):

So we’re at 120

Sevan Matossian (07:39):

In one year.

Javier Jaime (07:41):

Yeah, we started with 30.

Sevan Matossian (07:44):

That’s crazy, right? Suza.

Matthew Souza (07:45):

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 120 in the first year is awesome.

Javier Jaime (07:48):

Yeah. Yeah. Now again, that’s a mix, right? So we have adults, you know, so we, when we say members, we count all of the members. So that’s adults. That’s teens fair. That’s kids. That’s another personal training clients as well. But yeah, that’s a, that’s one 20. Um, I was just having a conversation with somebody about that yesterday. You know, we’ve had some great months. You know, we’ve had, you know, the, the net the net increase has been about, you know, eight to eight to 10 per month. Uh, every now and then, you know, we’ll, we’ll get a really good month, but we’ll also have some people that drop off that move that maybe CrossFit wasn’t for them. But yeah, we’ve been really happy with the growth, obviously, you know, we, we’d like it to be a little bit more Right. Who, who wouldn’t. Um, we moved into a big, a bigger facility than that, I think that most people would recommend, like right off the bat for like a new gym. So, yeah. So we gotta fill up the space a little more.

Matthew Souza (08:39):

What’s the square footage on that?

Javier Jaime (08:41):

It’s 5,000. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (08:42):


Javier Jaime (08:43):


Sevan Matossian (08:44):

Uh, hey, um, one of the things that’s come to my attention recently, and, and maybe every gym does this, but it’s more overt, a mayhem is like, uh, mayhem. They ha they, they put their values first. Like who the character, I guess, of the owners and of the core group of people who run the gym. And you don’t necessarily have to have the same values of them. You know, it’s not like they’re obviously Christian and they, they have these Christian values, but obviously everyone in their, you know, atheists are welcome. They come on this show all the time. Uh, Muslims are welcome, the whole gambits welcome, but they wear their values on the front. Um, and, and I think that’s, I think that’s a good thing. I think open-minded people wanna be around people with good values, right? Regardless of whether you’re Mormon, Christian or whatever. You want to, you want to hang out with people who have good values. It sounds like, um, that’s what’s going on with your gym, that there’s some values, uh, that you guys wear on your sleeve, whether it be around whatever values got you to do homeschooling or that makes it so it’s a, a a a family gym.

Javier Jaime (09:50):

Yeah. Yeah. I absolutely, we, you know, I would say maybe we don’t, you know, have like a poster on the wall that says, here are our, you know, personal values. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I, I think as a gym, you know, we value our members. And so we, you know, when they come in, we wanna know why they’re there. We wanna understand what they’re trying to do. And then we really try to cater, uh, not necessarily like customizing programming, but really the message that we have for them about why they would benefit being there. But I think the real, maybe the value that people get when they show up is that we just really do care about their, their growth. I think I’ll say like, my stories in CrossFit has never been about competitive CrossFit, I’m competitive with myself. Um, if we, you know, we dig into it a little bit. Like the things that brought us to where we are today have been about lifestyle change, life change, health restoration, and all of those things that have happened not only with me, but my wife, my daughter, my son, my mom, my sister-in-law. All of people whose lives have been affected because I found CrossFit 12 years ago or 10 years ago.

Sevan Matossian (10:56):

Yeah. That’s, you know, I’d never thought to say that out loud either, but I don’t know why, but that’s a hundred percent me too. I never came to CrossFit for any competitive reason. I was a dude. I really, I really loved going to the Globe Gym. I like moving, I like lifting weights. I like the lap machine. I like walking around. I like the drinking fountain. I just like a gym keep, you know? And, and I, and uh, so I would go to a gym and then I found CrossFit and then I was just like, oh, this is cool too. But, but never for the competitive reason whatsoever. Just to stay, uh, healthy and fit, I guess. Because I just liked movie. I guess now that I’m older, it’s to stay healthy and fit. But in the beginning it was just a move.

Javier Jaime (11:36):

Yeah. I didn’t, I didn’t know about the CrossFit games before I walked into a CrossFit gym. I didn’t, I didn’t even know. I didn’t, yeah, I didn’t know there was a competition and I didn’t know there was an open, I didn’t know any of those things. It existed cuz I think I started like 10 years ago, you know, so,

Sevan Matossian (11:50):

Hey dude, that’s funny you say that, Javier, because one, neither did I. There wasn’t even a CrossFit games when I started CrossFit. I never even thought of that. <laugh> <laugh>. I never even thought of that. You’re right.

Javier Jaime (12:01):

Yeah. Yeah. So I just, I I had been doing an outdoor, well, I guess my life had gone through kind of stages of fitness, right? Uhhuh <affirmative> after, right after I graduated from college, um, I started traveling with the company that I worked for. It was like my first, you know, first job. And we were doing, I was traveling all over the country doing training, you know, week after week, staying in hotels, eating terrible food. And then one day I got home from like a two week long trip and I got off the plane, and this is before, you know, uh, the security checkpoints in the airport. So my wife actually met me at the gate and I walked off the gate, hadn’t seen her in two weeks. And I was like, so, so looking forward to seeing her and, and these words are the, the words that really have kind of changed the rest of my life. The first thing she said when she saw me was, you’re fat <laugh>. It was such a, it was, I was mad

Sevan Matossian (12:55):

Like pH p h a t

Javier Jaime (12:57):

<laugh>. Yeah. Right. That would’ve been nice. That would’ve been cool, but, nope. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (13:00):

Boy, you fast. You, you picked up a gold chain when on your trip to Brooklyn. That’s

Javier Jaime (13:05):

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (13:06):

And a pair of feas.

Javier Jaime (13:08):

But no, she said, you’re, you’re, you’re fa I was like offended. I mean, you know, I was a high school athlete, I was in good shape, you know, but, you know, college had not, you know, I gradually lost any, you know, fitness that I had when I was in high school and college. And, um, and then I got off and, and then at that moment I decided that I needed to, to, well, after I was angry and mad and upset and, you know, but hurted about it, then I decided I needed to do something about it. Um, yeah. And, you know, I had been working out, off and on through college, so it wasn’t as, and this was right after college, so it, it wasn’t like I, you know, I didn’t know what to do or how to do it.

Sevan Matossian (13:43):

So What did you do in college, Javier? You played, you played collegiate sports?

Javier Jaime (13:46):

Oh, gosh, no.

Sevan Matossian (13:47):

No. Oh.

Javier Jaime (13:48):

Oh no. I went to the University of Texas at Austin. I had no, I had no thought or ambition that I could play like D one football. Like, I, I knew that wasn’t in the cards for me. I mean, I was a good football player in high school, but just, you know, I didn’t think about doing, I wanted to be an engineer, so I went to an engineering school,

Sevan Matossian (14:04):

So. Okay. And then, and you exercised through college though, is what you’re saying?

Javier Jaime (14:08):

Yeah, off and on. Yeah. Yeah. Off and on. Yeah. Not noth nothing formal, nothing fancy.

Sevan Matossian (14:12):

Hey, were you fat or was your wife talking, uh, like hyperbole? No, I,

Javier Jaime (14:16):

I, I, I mean, you know, like right now, I’m, you know, about 180 pounds

Sevan Matossian (14:21):

Maybe. How tall are you?

Javier Jaime (14:22):

Five 10.

Sevan Matossian (14:23):

Oh, yeah. That’s, that’s good.

Javier Jaime (14:25):

Yeah. Yeah. You know, I’m, I’m, I kind of fluctuate, you know, between single digit and, you know, low teens and the body fat, depending on how things are going. Wow. Um, but then I was probably a good two 15.

Sevan Matossian (14:38):


Javier Jaime (14:39):

Yeah. So,

Sevan Matossian (14:40):

You know, yeah. That’s 40, that’s 35 pounds more.

Javier Jaime (14:42):

Yeah. Yeah. 35 pounds more for sure.

Sevan Matossian (14:44):

A, a fluff? Not, not,

Javier Jaime (14:45):

Yeah. I mean, I wasn’t strong. Yeah. It wasn’t like I was training for strongman or something, you know,

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

<laugh>, that’s basically, that’s one of those big bags of dog food you were carrying around everywhere with you.

Javier Jaime (14:54):

That’s right. Yeah. That’s it. I was, and, and so, so then I, um, I found, or maybe I didn’t, you know, I mean, I’ve been reading, I’ve been, I’ve been into working out since I was 15, 16, you know, and you know, the only, the only authority you had on working out back then was like Muscle and Fitness Magazine. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. That’s it. And then I, I remember finding in one of those, the, uh, the advertisement for, um, body for Life from Bill Phillips. Do you guys ever knew? Do you ever know about that?

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

No. Maybe if I saw a picture,

Javier Jaime (15:25):

It was, it was the E E A S supplements.

Sevan Matossian (15:28):

And I remember them,

Javier Jaime (15:30):

A body transformation challenge. And I said, well, I’m gonna, I’m gonna do it. Right. So I did like the before picture, and then I went and, you know, put my engineering hat on and then figured out how to calculate macros and kick put in this spreadsheet together. And then backtracked how long it would take for me to get to a single digit. I had this, uh, little handheld body fat thing, and I figured out and like, okay, I was at whatever I was back then. There you go. That’s the,

Sevan Matossian (15:54):

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I recognize him for sure.

Javier Jaime (15:57):

Yeah. No, that’s it. Like, I think he’s a vegan now. I don’t know. I’m not sure what he’s doing these days.

Sevan Matossian (16:03):

It’s all a journey. It’s all a journey.

Javier Jaime (16:05):

Yeah. Well, anyway, so, so I figured out how to, um, well, I, I went on this program. I had like three, three protein shakes a day. Three, I was doing the six meal, macro counting, you know, thing. This is back in 2000, I guess, or 98, 99, 2000. So I figured out how to do all that stuff. Lost all the body fat, got to about the same composition. I am now doing, doing that back then. Uh, and then I was working out and I moved out of a, like a, I would say global gym. I moved into an area that only had a Y M C a A rec center. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I was working out at the Y M C A. And then somebody asked me, um, I guess they saw me working out. They saw, you know, what, what I was doing. And they said, Hey, would you, do you wanna be a trainer here?


I’m like, what? What do you mean? No? Well, I mean, I’m just working out here. They’re like, oh, well you seem like you know what you’re doing and you’ve been helpful to some of the members here, you know, will you consider doing that? And I said, well, I guess so. Um, yeah. So I somehow got myself certified to coach at the Y so for, until my kids were born, which was probably about a good three or four years every morning at the Y M C A from like five to six and six to seven, I would train people in the morning, and then seven to seven to eight I would work out. And then I

Sevan Matossian (17:22):

Did you like that? Hey, was that your first time dealing with people? Because I mean, yeah, both. Both. It was your first time kind of dealing with the public and also you liked it.

Javier Jaime (17:31):

Yeah, no, I loved it. I mean, it was, I mean, I loved helping people. So I mean, you know, I really, you know, I learned how to put together workouts and programs for people. I figured out how to, you know, how long it would take to do, you know, se you know, this is all, you know, splits, right? Like, you know, chest and back and all the, yeah. And so I, I figured out how to get all of that stuff and compact that into hour and put people through a warmup. And it was great learning. It was probably a better experience than learning about people. It was like a therapy session most times, most days,

Sevan Matossian (17:58):

You know? Yeah. And and how old were you?

Javier Jaime (18:01):


Sevan Matossian (18:02):

And they were your, basically your Guinea pigs? They like both. They were your, they were your, uh, original students and they were lucky, I guess, to find you.

Javier Jaime (18:09):

Yeah, they were my original. I remember how old I thought they were. They’re probably younger than I am now. <laugh>. They, they were, they, you all my clients were, you know, middle-aged men and women, you know, whatever, mid and 40, mid forties, 50 years old. Like back then I was 25.

Sevan Matossian (18:23):

Hey, what ethnicity are you?

Javier Jaime (18:25):

Uh, Mexican, Hispanic, Mexican American.

Sevan Matossian (18:27):

Yeah. And, uh, where were you born? In the States?

Javier Jaime (18:29):

Yeah. Yeah. My, uh, I was born in, uh, Corpus Christi, raised in San Antonio.

Sevan Matossian (18:35):

And And you have blue eyes?

Javier Jaime (18:37):

Yeah, green-ish. Yeah. Green.

Sevan Matossian (18:40):

And, and, uh, what color your wife’s eyes?

Javier Jaime (18:42):

Uh, hers are blue. She is, she’s not Hispanic.

Sevan Matossian (18:45):

Oh, what is she?

Javier Jaime (18:47):

She’s an English mutt. Like German English or something.

Sevan Matossian (18:50):

You, you wanted to wait to be married for 25 years before you ask her leave something for the end

Javier Jaime (18:54):

<laugh>. Well, you know, I don’t know what her, she refuses, she refused to do any of those, like, you know, a ancestry, things that test her blood. She’s like, I’m not giving anybody my,

Sevan Matossian (19:05):

Yeah, I’m not doing that either.

Javier Jaime (19:06):


Sevan Matossian (19:07):

Hey, use a fake name, by the way, if you ever do that in moving forward. Oh yeah. Use a fake name. We, we had some family members, because you don’t watch like your, your Uncle John, who killed someone was gonna 20 years ago going to jail. You get family coming outta the woodwork on that

Javier Jaime (19:20):

One. Before I was, before I was wise enough for that, I used my real name and I ended up getting an email from somebody that says, Hey, uh, we’re related. And I’m like, okay. And my wife’s like, ignore it, don’t answer. It’s

Sevan Matossian (19:32):

Like, crap,

Javier Jaime (19:33):

<laugh>, they’re gonna try to kill you. And so I didn’t answer. And then later I get another email from the same person that says, Hey, um, I was just looking over my husband’s shoulder. This is crazy. His crosses with CrossFit. I was looking over my husband’s shoulder at his CrossFit leaderboard, and I saw your name on it. Do you know this guy? And I’m like, holy crap. Yeah. Like the small world. So this person that said she was related to me, that I ignored literally just a couple weeks later was looking over her shoulder’s, husband at the leaderboard, at our CrossFit gym, saw my name, and, and it turns out, yeah, that sh it’s like a really crazy story.

Sevan Matossian (20:09):

Yeah. So not only are you related to him, but, but she,

Javier Jaime (20:13):

Well, it was related to her, but her husband works out with me. I knew the husband pretty well, worked out with him. I’ve worked out with him for a couple of years.

Sevan Matossian (20:20):

Wow. And were you like, Hey, sorry, I ignored your wife <laugh>. Yeah, my wife made me do it. Ever since I got skinny, my wife doesn’t let me talk to other women. <laugh>.

Javier Jaime (20:30):

Yeah. Well, yeah, I did meet up with her and her and, and him, and you know, she had some actually really interest this interesting information about the history of our family that nobody on my family knew about. And I talked to my mom about it, and she was like, holy crap. I didn’t know that.

Sevan Matossian (20:45):

So are, is your mom born here or in, uh, Mexico?

Javier Jaime (20:48):

Uh, uh, in the United States. Yeah. We’re probably like fourth generation Texan, you know, uh, I don’t have any family that I know of at all in Mexico. Um, my grandparents were from Laredo, so, which that’s right on the border. So I would, yeah, maybe, uh, maybe their parents might have been, but I don’t,

Sevan Matossian (21:07):

Hey, how far are you from the border now?

Javier Jaime (21:10):

Not far. I mean, Dallas is, I don’t know. Uh, I mean, well, if you go due west to El Paso, that’s a nine hour drive, you know?

Sevan Matossian (21:18):

But that’s okay. Okay. So you don’t have people coming through your, do do you feel any of the influx of immigrants coming in?

Javier Jaime (21:25):

Yeah, uh, they get, yeah. They, I mean, not necessarily in my community, um, but I know, you know, the Dallas butt worth area, I mean the, the, all of the kind of the Texas cities have kind of transformed over the last, you know, 15, 20 years when, when I was young growing up in San Antonio and Corpus, you know, there was, there was always, you know, the, you know, kind of the derogatory terms for the people that were coming across from Mexico and stuff. And it was, um, it was smaller and the community wasn’t as small. Like, if you were in Texas and you were, you know, raised in the seventies and eighties, like I was, you know, you were a couple gener, especially if you’re in San Antonio, Corpus Christi, you know, you’re, you’re one or two generations in Texas, that’s pretty standard. Uh, that’s not as much the case anymore

Sevan Matossian (22:10):

Because the numbers are crazy. And they’re not even Mexicans. It’s like 95% like just other, other people coming across the border. But the, I mean, the numbers and the pictures, obviously, I haven’t been down there, but the numbers in the pictures are nuts. You would think that, I mean, I reme I went to school in California as a little kid, and then, uh, you know, first, second, kindergarten, first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th grade. And I always remembered there being at least one or two immigrants in every single class. I took minimum and not Mexican either, actually, now that I think about it, it was like usually Asian, but there’s always one or two kids in the class that didn’t speak English. So I figured if you live in Texas, God, that it’s gotta be every class. Growing up when you were in school, there must have been someone in there who didn’t speak English so good.

Javier Jaime (22:51):

N not, not necessarily for us. At least not the age that I was. I mean, maybe now.

Sevan Matossian (22:55):

Okay. How old are you now?

Javier Jaime (22:57):

Uh, 48.

Sevan Matossian (22:58):

Oh, okay. So we’re about the same. You graduated in 92? I graduated in 90, 93. Okay.

Javier Jaime (23:03):

Okay. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (23:05):

And, and you’ve never left Texas?

Javier Jaime (23:06):

I would say back then. I would say back then my, I’m, this is my pure guess, right? I’m not, I’m no authority on this at all. I would say if you were crossing the border and you did not want to be close to the border patrol, you skipped all of the southern cities in Texas and went past them.

Sevan Matossian (23:19):

Oh, right, okay.

Javier Jaime (23:20):

Right. Like you hear.

Sevan Matossian (23:22):

But yeah, ma makes sense. Right. Um, and, uh, and you’ve never left Texas?

Javier Jaime (23:28):

Um, well, correct. I’ve lived, I’ve been a resident of Texas my whole life. Um, I did spend like a summer in Berkeley doing a research at,

Sevan Matossian (23:37):

I’m sorry.

Javier Jaime (23:38):

Wow, <laugh>. It was, it was a crazy experience, man. It was very different. Very different. Yeah. I lived, uh, I lived there right on campus, like a couple blocks from Telegraph a and I worked up in the, at the lab on the, on the hill.

Sevan Matossian (23:53):

I spent many, many, many, many, many days and nights, uh, in that area. And, and did you ever visit People’s Park? What year was that? You were there, do you remember? Do you remember? That

Javier Jaime (24:02):

Would’ve been like my sophomore year in college. So like 95? Yeah. The, so like the summer in 95, I think, or the summer. Yeah, that sounds about right.

Sevan Matossian (24:12):

What a, what a small world.

Javier Jaime (24:14):


Sevan Matossian (24:15):

Uh, did you didn’t meet your wife there, did you?

Javier Jaime (24:17):

No, we actually met in high school.

Sevan Matossian (24:19):

Oh, okay. Wow.

Javier Jaime (24:21):

But not until our senior year, not like till the end of my, we were in a big high school. We like class at like 600 or something like that. Um, we did not meet until like the very end of our senior year, even though we were in the same high school for four

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

Years. And she was the same grade as you? Yeah. And, and, and you, you hadn’t seen her your freshman, sophomore, junior year, or you had but just never paid her any mind

Javier Jaime (24:44):

If I did, I didn’t really, we were like in two different circles. Like I was on the football team and she was in the band, you know? Okay. So it’s like, you know, we, like, we’re never on the same bus, never on the same schedule, never practiced on the same field, and somehow we were never in the same class. I don’t, you know, so

Sevan Matossian (24:59):

The dudes on the football team don’t, uh, pluck, pluck the girls off from the band dudes

Javier Jaime (25:06):

From the band <laugh>? Yeah. I

Sevan Matossian (25:08):

Dunno. You, oh, we’re taking your girls guys <laugh>.

Javier Jaime (25:12):

Yeah, she was in the drum line. She was like in the cool part of the band, apparently, is what I’m told. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (25:17):

Right. That’s what everyone says. Yeah. The drum line. That’s it. That’s what everyone I was in the cool,

Javier Jaime (25:22):

She didn’t play, she didn’t play the trombone. She was in the drum line.

Sevan Matossian (25:26):

The only cool part of the band is the football players who date the band. Girls <laugh>.

Javier Jaime (25:30):


Sevan Matossian (25:32):

Uh, and um, so, so you get, so you get off the airplane and she tells you that you’re, uh, Gordo.

Javier Jaime (25:40):


Sevan Matossian (25:41):

And, um, and, and you were pissed. Like, like you thought it was rude of her.

Javier Jaime (25:44):

I thought it was rude. Yeah. Yeah. But I did something about it

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

Became, how long did it take for you, TOFL? How long did it take for you to kind of flip the script on that? Did you start working out even before you, when you were still mad at her? Or did you come to

Javier Jaime (25:56):

Well, I, I’d never really ever stopped working out in my life. I just really started paying attention to my nutrition. Honestly, I probably worked out less over the next 90 days that I was going through that transformation that I was working out before the program. I really spent more time focused on my nutrition.

Sevan Matossian (26:15):

And what did you stop eating?

Javier Jaime (26:18):

Um, sugar for sure. Like, um, I mean, processed foods. I mean, I was, that’s what, that’s when I first learned all, you know, meal prep. I mean, I used to cook, you know, like a dozen chicken breasts on the weekend and I’d meal prep for that. And then I would pre-cook like wild rice and this, and, you know, whatever. I really, I had my macros late, you know, fully set up to where I had the meals pre-planned. But kind of my theory back then was if I could, if I was eating six meals a day, if I could eat five of them that I would know every single day exactly what they were gonna be. Then the dinner was the only one that was kind of left for chance. And at that point, I mean I, you know, I really wouldn’t go overboard. So that, that seems so, as long as I knew five out of my six meals, so three of ’em were protein shakes, one was breakfast, one was lunch, dinner was up in the air every day. But, uh, beyond that, the five were always in control. So I knew exactly what I was eating and I was tracking my weight and my body fat the whole time. And, you

Sevan Matossian (27:18):

Know, got, did she give you any feedback? Like after a, did she ever like retract her statement like after like a month, she was like, oh, you look good. Did you ever get like a, like, you know, like those signs you drive into the national forest and it tells you like if the fire, fire, uh, the, the chance of fire was she like, oh, I’m moving the needle over. You’re not fat, you’re just like yellow zone,

Javier Jaime (27:39):

You know, like when you’re in the same house with somebody, sometimes you don’t like notice the, the obvious change the changes right away, right? I mean, people were definitely noticing and I think, you know, the, because people were noticing, you know, didn’t, she obviously recognized that. I mean, yeah, I definitely wanted to please her. She was my wife, but I also knew that I didn’t want to be, and you know, this brings up the whole story of my, my whole family and kind of like what happened growing up for me. And I didn’t wanna be like the rest of my extend, you know, extended family, they’re all sick. Like, you know, the, you know, that whole

Sevan Matossian (28:12):

What’s chronic disease? Chronic,

Javier Jaime (28:14):

Yeah, absolutely. Chronic disease. I mean, so almost every one of my, every one of my, my parents siblings, you know, have diabetes, you know, or some form of chronic disease, you know, they’re all on medications, they’re all struggling. And I just, I grew up seeing that. Um, and I didn’t, I just knew that I didn’t want to do that.

Sevan Matossian (28:35):

Were you ever a fat kid?

Javier Jaime (28:37):

No, not at all. I was actually a pretty thin kid. I mean, uh, they used to actually make fun of me when I was young, cuz my family was all bigger. They used to call me flaco. They used to, cuz I was too, they thought I was too thin, you know? So it’s not really like in my, I guess real genetics, like I didn’t have to worry about that. I was like the, the, you know, in, in the seventies and eighties or especially in like the early eighties, you know, the kids that would just run around in the neighborhoods, you know, kind of like,

Sevan Matossian (29:05):

Yeah, that was me.

Javier Jaime (29:06):

Yeah, me, you know. I mean, we were climbing trees, jumping fences, you know, I’d ride my bike for hours away from home. Like, just come home for dinner.

Sevan Matossian (29:16):

And What did you ride? What do you remember what you rode?

Javier Jaime (29:18):

Uh, yeah, man. Aha.

Sevan Matossian (29:20):

Uh, uh, A B mx.

Javier Jaime (29:22):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a freestyler. Yeah. I used to do all the tricks and the, and the quarter pipe rides and stuff like that. I used to skate too.

Sevan Matossian (29:28):

I didn’t skate, but I had a, I had a mini goose and a mongoose.

Javier Jaime (29:32):

Yeah, I had a mongoose then I bought a Harrow FX that had the coaster bike, you know, whatever, you know, you spin the handlebars and,

Sevan Matossian (29:40):

Oh, I never any cool shit like that. The gyro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was a kid, like, I went to the bike track by my house and just watched, like, I never once got on it. <laugh> never, not once, just watched, never. Yes, just watched. I was that kid. No man,

Javier Jaime (29:54):

We, no, we loved it. I was, uh, I, I, I mean I remember so, but I won’t say.

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