#775 – Aaron Ginn | Hydro Host

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Bam, we’re live. That that, oh, will I change it to predicting the future

Mattew Souza (00:05):

Even better.

Sevan Matossian (00:06):

Thank you.

Mattew Souza (00:09):


Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Up these, have we ever had a guest, uh, um, suggest a, uh, a title for the show?

Mattew Souza (00:16):


Sevan Matossian (00:17):

Oh, it’s not just Aaron.

Mattew Souza (00:19):

Not just Aaron.

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

He’s not a one of a kind like that. How many, how many guests have suggested a a name for the show besides Aaron?

Mattew Souza (00:25):

Uh, maybe like, maybe like two. Two or three.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

He’s in 700 shows in Aaron. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (00:30):

But to Aaron’s defense, I, I screwed up his name. So really it was a misspelling on my,

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

So you opened the door for all sorts of feedback. We’re

Mattew Souza (00:38):

Lucky he’s here. I would’ve screwed it up before I got going, to be honest.

Aaron Ginn (00:42):

So I, well, my last name is actually a misspelling of my real name. Anyways, so my grandfather immigrated, he didn’t speak English, and so they misspelled it.

Sevan Matossian (00:51):

How, how was it supposed to be spelled?

Aaron Ginn (00:53):

Uh, phonetically. It should be like y i n Uh, and every one of his brothers is a different misspell has a different last name because they all immigrated different times and then didn’t speak English. And, and, and so I have g I n I have j j I n n I have y i eight or Y I g H. So all of my cousins and second cousins and stuff have different, different last names.

Sevan Matossian (01:15):

Uh, p pronounce it for me.

Aaron Ginn (01:18):

It’s gin, like the drink.

Sevan Matossian (01:19):

Oh, it is? Okay. Yeah. But, but everyone wants to say gin.

Aaron Ginn (01:24):

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (01:25):

But it’s a gin. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> like the drink. Oh yeah. I’m gonna write that down here so I don’t screw it up. Like the nasty drink. Oh, God. Gin’s so hard to drink.

Mattew Souza (01:34):

To drink.

Sevan Matossian (01:35):

Do you, do you like gin? Do you drink gin? Aaron?

Aaron Ginn (01:37):

Oh, I don’t drink gin. I don’t drink at all. Oh, okay, good. No, I’m a tea toler.

Sevan Matossian (01:42):

Oh, what

Aaron Ginn (01:43):

A t Toler.

Sevan Matossian (01:44):

What’s that?

Aaron Ginn (01:45):

It’s like straight edge. Uh, okay. T t, yeah. T Toler is the, is the other more, uh, aite word for it. So,

Sevan Matossian (01:55):

Uh, uh, um, is, is that urban dictionary word, or it’s just a word that like you need to know for your s a t and I don’t know it.

Aaron Ginn (02:02):

Yeah, it’s a T Toler was a, was a movement, uh, that was kind of like late 19 hundreds that they, these Christians believe that the Bible condemned alcohol, uh, usage. Yeah. And, uh, and so it kind of spun out of that. So like, some famous detailers are like, uh, Mormons, right? So the whole faith is detailers. Um, and so it was named after the, the, the people who, uh, the original people who thought about it. So it was a bit of like a, a slaying, a slander. Uh, but I, I think,

Sevan Matossian (02:31):

Oh, it was really, it was like, those guys are tea tollers. They don’t drink alcohol.

Aaron Ginn (02:36):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Right. It’s like those losers, right. Especially those Catholics are like, oh, those losers over there who don’t drink. Right.

Sevan Matossian (02:42):

They don’t even get their swerve on

Aaron Ginn (02:44):


Sevan Matossian (02:45):

How are they gonna meet any girls? Um, Erin, you’re not married?

Aaron Ginn (02:49):

I am not. No.

Sevan Matossian (02:50):

No. But I, but I think, um, I was at your house and I think that you had a girlfriend, maybe?

Aaron Ginn (02:55):

Oh, no, no, no,

Sevan Matossian (02:56):

No girlfriend.

Aaron Ginn (02:57):

There’s no, those are just, those are just girls from the gym that you

Sevan Matossian (03:00):

Met. Okay. Just, just girls from

Mattew Souza (03:02):

The gym, just the onslaught that are normally coming through.

Sevan Matossian (03:05):

Hey, is that, is that this house, this room that you’re sitting in, is the, is that the house that I visited?

Aaron Ginn (03:11):

Yeah. This is my study.

Sevan Matossian (03:12):

Wow. It’s coming together.

Aaron Ginn (03:14):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s fully, uh, fully built out. Uh, so all the insights done. Uh, and so yeah, we’re just doing outside work now. So, yeah, I, this is, uh, one of my engineers lives with me, so that’s his desk. Uh, and then I have some photos of every place I’ve been around the world. So, uh, so like right there, the one in the corner that is the Serengeti, so there’s a bunch of lions on it. I took, uh, that are like walking towards the car and stuff. So,

Sevan Matossian (03:39):

Super cool. God, thanks. By the way, I, I dunno if I ever thank you, but thanks for having us at your house. That was cool.

Aaron Ginn (03:45):

Oh, no, it was fun. It was super fun. I’m, I’m happy you, Greg, and the crew came. It was, it was, it was great.

Sevan Matossian (03:52):

When I first heard your name, I, I’m gonna make the date up. I don’t know if it’s true. It’s, uh, but 2020, early 2020. Yeah. And Greg said, Hey, you gotta see this guy. Uh, this thing, this guy Aaron Gin wrote, and I think it was in Medium.

Aaron Ginn (04:10):

Yeah, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (04:11):

It’s medium with an M, not medium with an N.

Aaron Ginn (04:15):

Uh, it, it’s medium. Yeah. Me medium. Like a,

Sevan Matossian (04:18):

Yeah, like a smaller than large.

Aaron Ginn (04:21):

Uh, yeah. It’s like a, so it’s a blogging company started by the former co-founder of Twitter. Uh, and essentially it was started off as like a high, a high tech, uh, blogging community. And then I wrote my piece in response to another guy in tech who basically said, you know, a gajillion people are gonna die in like a year. Oh.

Sevan Matossian (04:41):

And it was, I didn’t know it was in response to that guy’s piece.

Aaron Ginn (04:45):

Yeah. The, and it was called The Hammer and Dance or something like that, <laugh>. So, uh, it was, it was absolutely absurd. And I mean, he was off by like thousand X, right? And, and so I was writing a response to that. And then, uh, and I’ve kind of was, I was already following it. So I had like a, uh, an email list that I was with a bunch of my friends. I kept wanting to be added, uh, a number of like CrossFit boxes and CrossFits were on the list. And then a bunch of like, tech executives, journalists. So it was kind of like a privately shared doc for about two months. Uh, and then one of my friends, uh, at the time who also worked in tech recommended that I post it on Medium. Does

Sevan Matossian (05:24):

That guy hate you? Does the guy who suggested that hate you <laugh>? No, no, no. So, so he, uh, like he set you up.

Aaron Ginn (05:30):

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I, at that time, I’ve already been canceled. So that was the, that was the, that was the third time I’ve been canceled. So there’s two other times, so, okay. I was already used to it. All. Right. Uh, and, and you know, thanks to having an Asian father, I’m very used to, uh, being a constant disappointment to somebody. Alright. Right. Alright. Alright. Uh, yeah. Yeah. So the fact I did the fact that I don’t have a Dr in my name, right. Uh, an MD like means, uh, is a failure. So <laugh>, uh, he still even understand what I do. He is like, he is like, you know, I’m an entrepreneur. He like, I don’t even know what that means. Right. You’re, you’re not a, he’s your

Sevan Matossian (06:01):

Dad. You don’t have born in China?

Aaron Ginn (06:03):

No, no. He was the, he was the first generation, so his father immigrated. Um, um, and, uh, so yeah, so I, I wrote, it was actually like a living document. So over the course of two months when I was reading Chinese newspapers, I was reading the w h o documents. I was like researching, um, past research on Coronavirus, uh, and following sort of what was going on. Uh, I was, I was adding to the document, so it was like a Google Doc that first started as like three pages, then grew into like a 40 page document. And then my friend was like, oh, you should publish this. So I did. And I actually wrote in the beginning, it was like a living like, sort of document that I was gonna constantly edit. Uh, and then it just went like insanely viral. Uh, and 3 million,

Sevan Matossian (06:42):

3 million views in, in 24 hours are something crazy, right?

Aaron Ginn (06:45):

Yeah. Yeah. It was the most widely read blog, blog post or medium post of that, uh, of that day. And then also when Zero Hedge republished it because the medium took it down, uh, which is, by the way, medium still has it offline. Uh, even though I was right as, as the Stanford epidemiology crew said, I was 95% right on like, what I was surmising and, and, and could read through the Tea leaves. So Zero Hedge actually republished the whole thing, and it was the most widely read article in Zero Hedge all, uh, all of that year. Uh, so it, uh, uh, yeah. So it just, it went super crazy viral. Much more than I thought it was gonna be cuz it was just really to like, make it easier for like my friends to, to read it. Uh, and cuz you know, I was making all the updates Google Docs and then like, the world went crazy and, uh, you know, there, you know, times were hit against me, CNN to msnbc, slate, all the sort of who’s who evok us, like, you know, when after me and then Medium

Sevan Matossian (07:40):


Mattew Souza (07:42):


Sevan Matossian (07:42):

Yeah. I like, I’m gonna use that Wiv. Okay. And

Mattew Souza (07:44):

It, it was called the Hammer and the Dance. I wanna bring it up so we could see

Aaron Ginn (07:47):

It here. Oh, no. So that I was running Getta. So mine is called Evidence Over Hysteria.

Mattew Souza (07:52):

Got it. Thank you.

Aaron Ginn (07:53):

Co Yeah. Covid evidence, evidence over Hysteria. And, and so, so Google, uh, you may not be able to find it. There, there are a couple places suppressing it private, like Yeah. So Google

Sevan Matossian (08:03):

Actually, sorry, that’s my fault. I should have given you a link. Su e e evidence over Hysteria Covid 19.

Aaron Ginn (08:10):

Yeah, thank you. So then, so then Gdrive actually deleted the article. So I had everything in Gdrive and they removed it, uh, and then, uh, a bunch

Sevan Matossian (08:19):

Of, wait a second. Why did they do that?

Aaron Ginn (08:21):

Because, well, because they, they said it violated their, um, some policy they had.

Sevan Matossian (08:27):

How did they get into your Google Drive?

Aaron Ginn (08:29):

I mean, all these tech companies have access to everything in their stack. So, so it’s part of their terms of service. So whether you’re hosting on something, on Amazon, hosting something at Microsoft, they have access to it and they can, they can see what it’s

Mattew Souza (08:40):

The first hit is actually a CrossFit gym.

Aaron Ginn (08:44):

Oh, is it

Mattew Souza (08:45):

<laugh> with it? Re with it Reposted. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (08:47):

Oh, that’s awesome. That’s awesome. Oh, that is great.

Mattew Souza (08:53):

<laugh>. That’s the first hit.

Aaron Ginn (08:54):

Yeah, so that’s, that’s funny. Uh, so, so yeah, like, it, it got reposted a lot cuz it got taken offline. Um, so you can see that, like I’ve wrote or wrote in the goal there, I’m constantly updating this as I gathering information. So I was updating this in my Google Doc and then re emailing out to my emails twice a day. So I literally wake up, I would read, you know, epidemiologists, I’d read, you know, crazy people I did not agree with. I would have, um, sort of counter things to that. I would look at the new stuff was coming outta Europe, uh, and then, you know, post this in there. And, and then, so after I got taken offline, then I got like hyper involved into, uh, basically, uh, media governors, uh, congressmen and stuff like that. So I got looped into all that, uh, conversation around that sort of having impact on domestic policy. Uh, and so I, so sorry,

Sevan Matossian (09:47):

Aaron, I, I just, I wanna go. So the article got so much traction that you started getting asked to speak to congressman, uh, to get your perspective. Okay.

Aaron Ginn (09:57):

Yeah. Governors, stuff like that. Um,

Sevan Matossian (10:00):

Governors of States contacted you

Aaron Ginn (10:02):

Yeah. The ones that basically reopened earlier so awesome than everybody else. Yes. Awesome. Yeah. Um, and then, uh, so yeah, so it, it was, uh, the biggest impact that I’ve had on public policy since I’ve been involved in politics. Uh, and I did it as a hobby. It was, it was a very brutal 2020 in terms of like, I was on calls all day, morning night, talking to people, uh, working against, uh, specifically actually in the administration as well against Fauci and Dr. Burkes, uh, like providing data to people, providing analysis. I, I would get, you know, emails from people saying, Hey, here’s what I, here’s what my public health, you know, fascist said today, what can I say back to them? Then this would be like an executive of, of the government or like a mayor or something like that. And then I would provide a response back.


Uh, and I worked with newspapers, TV shows, stuff like that to provide them analysis on what was going on. And, uh, o overall, like I still stay true to sort of about my core argument, which was that this is a risk, uh, uh, a very severe disease for people who are very well known and controlled. A k a you’re old and you’re overweight, and that the every energy should be focused on those people. Uh, but the rest of the population should continue on with life. Uh, and I also questioned long covid, I questioned all these like mitigations as kinda a waste of time. And that the secondary effects, um, actually the, the last, the last part of my big long article was I wrote about how that this would be used as a means of creating authoritarian aspects in the government, and that rapid inflation would be the cause of this.


Uh, and that the, basically the people that are gonna die, uh, from this disease are probably gonna die anyways. Um, and that came true like that, that there, there’s very little evidence that anything that we did, uh, that caused, you know, not only children’s education, like we still haven’t even understood the ramification of missing school for two years to, uh, the inflation rate that we’re dealing with, uh, to like a lot of these sort of current, uh, undertones around international affairs are basically de tensions as the free trade system broke down, right? Like Peru to Ukraine, uh, or all consequences of this. Uh, and, and so, you know, this will be kind of like, you know, as we go forward into the next generation, we’ll tell stories and, and it would be sort of like the Cuban Missile Crisis. Like, we’ll tell kids that like, oh my gosh, you wouldn’t believe this, this happened. Maybe like, oh my gosh, it really happened. Like people forced you to wear paper over your face, and like, people thought that like sitting down was safer than walking past you. Like, you’re like, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (12:35):

That’s why your mom has a speech impediment because everyone around her was masked and she never learned how to talk properly. Yeah,

Aaron Ginn (12:41):


Sevan Matossian (12:42):

Fla my babies. But there are gonna be covid babies.

Aaron Ginn (12:46):

Uh, like there, there are so many examples in public health history that I know you, I, that I know you know about, where like, the experts were adamant, just absolutely adamant that smoking was amazing, right? And it wasn’t that, like, that was a small, I mean, it was literally universal within the medical field, right? Or, or, or, uh, different drugs that we prescribed. Like, and, and this was one of those scenarios except

Sevan Matossian (13:06):

Circumcision. Wait till we get to that one <laugh>. Wait till we get to that fucking, the whole country general mutilation. Go see the movie American Circumcision. I know it’s not popular. Mm. I know you guys don’t wanna know about it, but go see the movie.

Aaron Ginn (13:21):

Yeah. So, uh, yeah, that was a, that was a wild year. Uh, and I don’t, I don’t regret it because it, it, it felt one of those as I as in you felt like, it felt like an existential moment, uh, for, for the world. Uh, and that we had to fight. And, and this was not a moment to be like, I’m gonna submit myself to a, you know, public health, uh, inspector who doesn’t know anything about my business, doesn’t know anything about my life, uh, that somehow is granted this expertise that is totally based on bs it’s totally based on humorous. Uh, and, and it was a, uh, what’s the right word for it? A, um, uh, a a shaking out of everyone’s friend group. Um, wow. And you saw people who, yeah. You saw people who Yeah. Stood by, you know, you for being heterodox. You saw people who stood by like our friends. They were also heterodox. They were basically just presenting an alternative.

Sevan Matossian (14:13):

What’s that word you’re using? What’s, what’s the word?

Aaron Ginn (14:15):

Oh, heterodox.

Sevan Matossian (14:16):

What’s that mean?

Aaron Ginn (14:18):

Uh, just alternative, like, like red pill based. Okay. Like this. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um, and, uh, and so yeah, like, uh, I lost a lot of friends and that was one reason why I left San Francisco, um, was that Oh,

Sevan Matossian (14:30):

Shit, I didn’t know that that is why you left the Bay Area.

Aaron Ginn (14:33):

Yeah. Yeah. Uh,

Sevan Matossian (14:35):

A heterodox not conforming with accepted or orthodox standards or beliefs. Yeah.

Aaron Ginn (14:39):

Yeah. I mean,

Sevan Matossian (14:40):

That’s all cross. I definitely didn’t, right? Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Right.

Aaron Ginn (14:43):


Sevan Matossian (14:44):


Aaron Ginn (14:44):

To going cross Yeah. CrossFit for 13 years, man. So,

Sevan Matossian (14:48):

Hey, what happened with Peru in the Ukraine? You mentioned that went over my head too. What happened with them?

Aaron Ginn (14:53):

Uh, so, uh, Peru had a, that’s actually one of my, my, my 20, uh, 20, 23 predictions, was that there was gonna be a democracy that was gonna go through Roku, uh, and basically returned to military role. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, so Peru just went through that. So the president of Peru just tried to, uh, who by the way was one of the most insane people with covid. Like, literally crazy. Like he would, he would have people police hunt people down who left their houses, right? Uh, so he tried to suspend the constitution and get rid of Congress and then, uh, and use the military take over. And then, so that’s, that didn’t work. So now an unelected president is in power, and then now there’s granted protests all over the country trying to overthrow that president who was unelected. Uh, and, uh, so yeah, so like, it’s freaking what’s going on, Peru is insane.


And like, there’s been probably over a hundred people have died so far, and just the broad protests. Um, but they were one of the worst people in Covid. Like, and in South America, one of the absolute worst. Um, and then obviously like Ukraine is, is, is a, is a function of the fact of, guess what? When you destroy international relations between countries for a virus, you can’t stop like this hap then people feel like, okay, well there’s no consequences to this, right? Like, because you’re not connected to trade to me anymore, so there’s no more cost to me invade you, so I’m just gonna obey. Right? And, and so like all these sort of tensions like, like over overflow, like the, that previously that like trade would mitigate, right? That there was a cost of doing, of invading a country or cost of attacking a country. But through lockdowns and through like massive supply chain eruptions, there was gone. Right? There was, there was, there was less mitigation to, uh, to just attack the country.

Sevan Matossian (16:32):

And my mom’s drunk, now’s the perfect time to ask her if I can stay up and watch a movie tonight. <laugh> was Jack said when trade stops, war starts,

Aaron Ginn (16:40):

Right? Yeah. And, and so you’re gonna see this with Taiwan that like, that’s where a lot of my family had stayed in China. After Mal fell, after Mel took over, they flipped to Taiwan cuz they’re part of the nationalist party. Like, you’ll see, uh, I don’t, I don’t think, I think she is actually in a very weak position. I’m not, I’m not very bullish that like, uh, oh,

Sevan Matossian (16:58):

The president of Taiwan, the prime minister of Taiwan?

Aaron Ginn (17:01):

No, no. The, the, the, uh, so he used to be president and now he is, uh, uh, president. She, uh, uh

Sevan Matossian (17:07):

Oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. That’s so funny. I thought you said she It’s president. She, she, I’m she. Listen, listen, listen. You jack asses in the comments. I don’t want to hear it. This guy’s too smart for the show. Listen, listen. I jack asses, I’ll slow him down a little bit. We’ll get 10% of what he said. Just you chill. I will promise you I he is too smart for the show. But we’ll, I’ll slow this train down and get some words. I, even though I’ll confuse she with she. Holy shit. That’s my most embarrassing moment, Mike. My most embarrassing moment of the show. That was

Aaron Ginn (17:37):

Funny. That was funny.

Sevan Matossian (17:38):

Oh my goodness. <laugh>. Okay. Uh, so, so, um, to recap the, um, so Aaron wrote this article, there was just a hobby of he broke the internet with it. Greg saw it and he was like, holy shit, this guy gets it. And there were some things there. Not only that, so you said you were reading Chinese news news, so that means you speak Chinese and read it?

Aaron Ginn (18:02):

Uh, I can read it better than I can speak it. Uh, okay. Yeah. I was, I was reading papers and stuff. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:06):

Okay. So you were kind of getting stuff from the source. You didn’t have to rely on CNN or Fox or msnbc. You Yeah. And by source, I mean, it’s still their source, but you could at least get it from directly from other fake news. Not once hearsay, more fake news.

Aaron Ginn (18:21):

Yeah. But, but you can re this is my, my problem with so much of the American media is that they, they don’t understand how, uh, Chinese people think. And, and so they’re, when you read Chinese news, like you kind of read it how you used to read Proda, read the communist newspaper from Soviet Union. Like you, you read the tea leaves, you read between the lines, right? You understand motivations, right? And, and, uh, Chinese, like the Chinese government, which has, um, basically the same pattern of operating for the last 70, 80 years, it’s been an operation. Is that it, it doesn’t lie like the Russians do. The Russians lie in the sense of like, like a big bad bear who’s kind of drunk and wants to be rich and have like a Maserati or Lamborghini, right? It’s a very obvious lie. It’s like they, they, uh, you know, it’s something you kind of like definitely see as like, okay, this is just like hubris.


It’s just being hotty and arrogant and just being bare conditions, right? Chinese, the CCP doesn’t lie that way. They, they, they, they take something true and they mold it, right? And you concord sort of see evidence of it and you can sort of see like, that could be true. I could believe that. Right? Versus the Russian propaganda is just like absolutely just like, it’s like, you know, it’s basically nationalism plus lying, right? And, and CCP propaganda is very subtle, right? It’s very like undercurrent. It’s very, uh, sort of similar to like how, uh, the mainstream media, uh, is disingenuous with us, right? Like they label things that are true misinformation, right? Uh, and they therefore they don’t deal with the de they, that’s a lot how the CCP like operates. And, and so whenever, for example, the virus was first being, uh, like was, was in the wild, which, which my current operating hypothesis in if Fauci wasn’t so, uh, appro approving of the CCP regime, we would have more details about this.


But essentially what I believe happened is that, uh, the virus escaped from a, some form of military operation. Uh, because how, you know, that is that China said first when it came out that American military brought it over. So what that means probably is that they did it right by the military, they by accident, right? Uh, and it escaped. They thought it was really serious. So it, they, they thought this was like SARS on steroids, right? Because SARS is super deadly disease, like 25, 30% mortality rate, right? It’s very, very deadly. And they thought it was highly, highly transmissible. So they freaked out, right? And then they realized, I think probably like February of 2020 that, oh wait, this actually isn’t that bad. And we super overreacted and we probably killed a bunch of people in that process, like causing hysteria. And we locked people in doors, we prevent the beating.


And then, and then all of a sudden, if you look at the news, it just kind of stops after February. Like when, when Italy was being hit, right? And, and, and Europe was freaking out, Europe was going lockdowns, they just sort of stopped, the data stopped coming out. They, they kinda, the CCP went quiet. Cause I think what they were like saying, you know what, all of our enemies are now freaking out about this. We initially freak out, let’s just let them figure this out on their own. Right? I think that’s what they did. They, they, they then let the, the chips balls they made, uh, and kind of let us do what we did for the last two years.

Sevan Matossian (21:19):

What do you think about that? The, the Chinese doctor who died early on the, the guy, um, oh,

Aaron Ginn (21:25):

Oh, you mean, uh, it was a female. Uh, you talking about the, the, the bat coronavirus?

Sevan Matossian (21:30):

No, not the bat lady. Not the bat lady. There was, there was that guy. The bat lady didn’t die, did she? She died too. She disappeared. She disappeared, right. There was a guy early on who died and there was another guy who fell out of a window over there. Or, or maybe it was in Russia. God, there was some, there was some crazy things that happened in the beginning that I was like, okay, let me ask you this. Let’s just, lemme just get this crazy and then I’ll bring us back on track. Let, uh, this is, I can, yeah. What about the Ivermectin implant that burnt down in like Taipei or wherever the, the world’s largest? Do you remember that thing? Oh

Aaron Ginn (22:00):

Yeah. I, so, so a lot of the like treatment stuff, it’s like, it, it’s, it, there there was a lot of dirty data that came out about, uh, therapies, Uhhuh, <affirmative>. And uh, both from the sense of like, I think, uh, things that probably do work, like, I think a lot of the steroid treatments and stuff that came have come out like were effective. That was actually, cause I got Covid in Italy, uh, when it was first. Like, we didn’t think it was spreading that fast. And I was super sick for two weeks. And then

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

What month was that? What month was that?

Aaron Ginn (22:26):

That was January of 2020. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (22:29):

Wow. Okay. So you were there right in it.

Aaron Ginn (22:31):

Yeah. And so like, and I didn’t know what it was. In fact, when I went to the doct in San Francisco that there, she came in with like face shield mask.

Sevan Matossian (22:38):

Oh, so you brought it here to the States. You’re one of the original

Aaron Ginn (22:41):

Yeah, you’re right. <laugh>. Yeah. And so, and this was literally a question goes like, have you been to China? And I was like, that’s racist. No, I was kidding. <laugh>. Uh, I

Sevan Matossian (22:50):

Was like, oh, it was a just, it was a hydro chloroquine, uh, factory that burned down in Taiwan. I had my city wrong in the drug. Wrong.

Aaron Ginn (22:56):

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hcl. Okay. Um, so, uh, and then she, and I said, no, I was in Italy. And she goes, oh, okay. She took all her stuff off and she goes, okay, I think you just probably have the flu. Whatever. Right? It de it definitely was, was covid. So, um, but like, uh, the, these treatment stuff, uh, it, it’s hard to measure a lot of the response rates because of how they do the sampling and how they do the controls. And so, for example, that that there was that, um, um, veterans affair study when Trump was pushing, uh, uh, hydroxychloroquine and it, and so that study was basically a lie. Like they literally invented the data and, and altered it to where it made Trump look bad. And now we know that for sure, like, like literally the studies have been withdrawn. It’s been like criticized all around, even from like, you know, mass Nazis and stuff like it, it is an embarrassing study and was used as propaganda, right?


And so a lot of these things that come out eventually we see like later as time goes on, which is why we shouldn’t be pushing medicine unless it has time to gest date. And people look at it, uh, and, and you can see the sort of effects or don’t see. So the effects, um, the, uh, so, so there are treatments that we basically rejected, uh, because a k a, it was like for political reasons. One was the antibody treatments, uh, which should work like logically it, like from a biological, like it should work. And they were denied for, uh, for over a year. Why? Because President Trump was pushing it, right? And if you look at the most recent example with Governor DeSantis, uh, who also was pushing it, like you saw, you know, Biden basically respond to where, oh, you can’t actually have those treatments, right?


So like, this is where like science, which I know in the CrossFit world, right? Nutrition and sci and, and and fitness science have always been intermingled to politics. And that’s something that CrossFit, you know, we’ve been living through. But like the culmination, I think of people, you know, the covid thing was that now the insanity that we thought was only in academia we used should just joke around being like, oh, those are just people who work in universities. It’s not gonna impact my life. Literally, they were causing people to go unemployed, causing the world to implode over literally no data, right? Yeah. And

Sevan Matossian (24:59):

Stopping kids from going school. Hey, my kids, my kids can’t go to school in California.

Aaron Ginn (25:03):

Why? Cuz they’re,

Sevan Matossian (25:05):

Because they don’t take the drugs. My kids aren’t on the drugs.

Aaron Ginn (25:08):

Oh. Oh, really? They still enforce that. Really?

Sevan Matossian (25:10):

Wow. All sorts dude. All also, you should see the, the protocol. It’s crazy. Not just covid, all of them, all the drugs, dude, hey, once you figure out Covid was a scam and then that vaccine was a scam, and then you just like, scratch like this hard on the surface of the measles vaccine, the whole fucking thing starts to fall apart.

Aaron Ginn (25:27):


Sevan Matossian (25:27):

<affirmative>, it’s, it’s Go ahead.

Aaron Ginn (25:30):

No, yeah. Like, uh, and I, I dunno anything about the is is it the M mmr? Yeah. I dunno. Anything about, about those stuff? Like, like, like this is not

Sevan Matossian (25:38):

My, you will, when you have kids buddy, you will, if you have kids, you’ll, you’ll look into it and you’ll be like, oh my god, duh. Was aca scam from the beginning?

Aaron Ginn (25:46):

Well, what, what I believe fundamentally about, um, the way government should work interacting with the people is like, I believe in the sovereignty of the individual, but not because the individual doesn’t make bad decisions. It’s because the other side of the decision making paradigm, which could be like the collective has so many negative, massive secondary effects that are so harmful to the world that you shouldn’t even encroach, right? Yeah. Certainly individuals will do bad things, but, but the thing is like, it’s much more controllable than if you have the collective do bad things. Uh, and I, and, and the same places like free speech and censorship, right? It’s not like because I’m a a a free speech almost purist and absolutist, uh, I’m not in certain scenarios, but those are very specific, very narrow. And they’ve been basically been adjudicated through the Supreme Court in a very, uh, in such a bulletproof manner that like, I basically follow that.


But either way, if you think about free speech, it’s the same thing. I don’t, um, I don’t believe in free speech because there’s not, like, there’s bad people who say mean things to you, like get as humanity, right? It it is the reality. It’s because giving someone that power to mitigate that is, has so much negative secondary effects is not worth even encroaching. Right? And, and so I always say that I have the Mark Cuban, uh, who he’s a moderate re you know, you know Mark Cuban’s, like he’s a moderate Republican, sometimes Democrat, vc, uh, basketball owner. He says, I wanna know who the stupid people are. That’s basically my free speech position. Like, what is the downside of having people who are really awful and gross and grotesque saying what they want? Oh, now I know that person. Right Now I can block that person.


Right? You don’t have to read their stuff. Like, I, I don’t understand this like, movement, which covid like epitomized, right? Co covid was the culmination of Trump hysteria, authoritarianism that just peaked itself, right? Like, I don’t understand the obsession of like being a parent, like in, in the room when someone says something you don’t like that you don’t even know that person. And, and, and taking one statement that they made and, and dehumanizing to the point where like, they haven’t done anything else in their life. And, and I, I, I have no sympathy for that. I I, it’s hard for me to even like let you understand, but like, that is like where our culture is today. Uh, it was just terrifying. Like that we can’t deal with different,

Sevan Matossian (27:53):

The perfect example, I think, I’m trying to understand like the the big ones of what you, of what you said, but when, when Trump was in office and they were developing the mRNA concoction

Aaron Ginn (28:07):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,

Sevan Matossian (28:08):

The, the, I mean, we’ve all seen the video. There’s a, there’s an amazing edited together video of all the, the high profile Democrats saying they’ll never fucking take it because it was made while Trump was in office. And the second he was out of office, they flipped the script.

Aaron Ginn (28:22):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (28:23):

And I think that per perfectly illustrates what you’re saying. It’s, it’s like this crazy hysteria. And you’re right, I don’t intellectually understand it either. I, I intellectually do not understand how you could make that jump just based on who was office when that was made. Maybe there is mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It’s not like he, it’s not like Donald Trump was in the lab making that shit himself. <laugh>.

Aaron Ginn (28:45):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s a

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

Think one of his pubic hair got in there or something. Like, like what? What? Uh, but he used the word sovereignty. Sovereignty means supreme power or authority. And Aaron gin, as in the drink, believes that us as individuals have the supreme power or authority over ourselves.

Aaron Ginn (29:06):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (29:08):

Yep. Over ourselves. Um, how about the abortion one? That one’s kind of crazy, right?

Aaron Ginn (29:13):

Uh, in one sense

Sevan Matossian (29:15):

Cause the, the, the girl has to have supreme authority over herself, but the baby in there needs to have supreme authority over itself. One of my friends explained it to me like this. He said, when the girl lets the head of the penis crest past her labia, that’s where she has to make the decision. That’s where she has supreme authority over herself. And then once it crest past that, then then the baby gets, uh, is is renting, uh, space in the stomach that it now the constitution now belongs, it now has sovereignty inside the womb. Yeah. <laugh>. I don’t, I don’t know where I fall on it, but I don’t wanna kill babies, but I don’t wanna put rules on girls. Yeah. So I’m all fucked up on this one.

Aaron Ginn (29:55):

Well, well, no, I, I think, I think that there, they’re just because you have a.

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