#768 – Dr. Anthony Chaffee | The Better Carnivore MD

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

Uh, my back is tired. Like it, bam, we’re live. I, um, not yesterday, but the day before I had Brian friend on midday and to like, just kind of like raise my awareness when, when I had him on, I did 300 air squats before the show started. And not like crazy fast, but like, but just fast. Right? 15 minutes maybe.


Huh? Like, my wife does it in 10 minutes. But anyway, so, so then in the evening I did the, I did, uh, 10 burpees on the minute. And then the next minute I did 10 deadlift with 135 pounds. And I did that for 20 minutes. So it ends up being a hundred burpees, a hundred deadlifts. I did that like at eight or nine at night. And then yesterday, just the whole day. Do, do you ever, it’s not like so bad where it feels like my back’s gonna snap, but it’s just my back’s just tired. Like, I don’t wanna sit up. Do you know that feeling? I can’t tell if my ba if the muscle’s tired or if it’s just crazy engaged and like, I can’t tell if it’s just completely relaxed and I feel like just a sack of shit. Or if it’s just so tight. I just want, I’m trying to lay down and relax. It’s weird. I feel like taking drugs

Caleb Beaver (01:17):

Sometimes I’ll feel like that after like Merf or something. I haven’t done it. If I haven’t done a ton of volume lately, my body will just be like super tight for no reason

Sevan Matossian (01:29):

After doing a murf.

Caleb Beaver (01:31):

Yeah. Or just something has super high volume.

Sevan Matossian (01:33):

If I wear a weight vest for too long, I’ll have some weird reaction to it. Like, like, like when I take it off, I’ll be like, kind of like, like, you know, you wear the weight vest and you feel the weight of it, and then you have it on for a certain amount of time and you catch yourself starting to do this shit.

Caleb Beaver (01:48):

Oh. Like shrugging up

Sevan Matossian (01:49):

Shrugging and just tightening and bracing and it’s just like, and then when I, and then finally when I take it off, I’m, uh, oh, it was Philip Kelly. Oh yeah. I need to send Suza a, uh, uh, it was Philip. This is the dude, Philip Kelly, um, who sent me the, that article I was just telling you about. That article is crazy. I I, you know, I didn’t hear back from this guy. I wonder if this guy’s coming on

Caleb Beaver (02:14):

<laugh>. That’d be cool

Sevan Matossian (02:17):

If he didn’t.

Caleb Beaver (02:18):

Oh, if he did.

Sevan Matossian (02:19):

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That I agree. That would be cool. It, it’s, um, it is 7:00 AM Right? I need to text, uh, Suza right now and tell him to schedule Philip Kelly. We need to hear what’s going on. Uh, Suza. Uh, can we schedule Philip Kelly? Uh, uh, Philip, you know, I’m going on the 24th. I’m going to, uh, some crazy skateboarding camp thing with my kids up in Tahoe for like four days. And I wasn’t gonna do any shows. But we should do a show somewhere between the 24th and the 28th. Cuz it’ll be, it’s doing a show. It’s, you’ll be easy. It’ll be fun. Like, like last night show was so easy. Holy shit.

Caleb Beaver (03:03):

Super chill.

Sevan Matossian (03:04):

Oh my God. Travis is so easy to talk to. You know what’s crazy when I talk to him some, I feel like I’m talking to like the gangster version of Jordan Peterson. He’s so freaking smart. He is so smart. He understands just how human beings work.

Caleb Beaver (03:22):

And he, it’s kinda crazy. Cause I, I don’t, he doesn’t really have that. Um, he doesn’t really give off that vibe initially.

Sevan Matossian (03:29):

No. No. Uhuh. But man, he’s like a, um, a master of human shit. Human behavior. Uh, sure. Saban, I’ll hop on with you for a while while your kids are at Woodward. <laugh>, you’re a good dude. Damien. Just taking one for the team. Uh, he’s in Australia. Is he? I I couldn’t tell if he’s in Australia. I heard it. I played a video of his chick and, uh, his chick, uh, spoke Australian. And I got the impression that like, maybe he did some sort of residency there. Here’s the thing that I was tripping on. There’s no way this dude took the injection. There’s no fucking way. Hey, if you’re a doctor, can you administer your own injection? What’s the what? Because then you could just fire it off onto the floor, right?

Caleb Beaver (04:27):

Yeah. I think, I mean, at least for myself, I’m a doctor, obviously. I’ve tried to like, be like, oh, I’ll just do it myself. And they’re like, no, you have to have somebody do it for you because I administer stuff too, but Interesting. Yeah. I don’t know. I think that, I think you have to have somebody else administer it for you.

Sevan Matossian (04:44):

So it’s legal for Hillary to shoot himself up with Roy’s, but a doctor can’t give himself the, uh, vaccine.

Caleb Beaver (04:51):

Yeah. Yeah. That seems a little backwards. I’m not

Sevan Matossian (04:55):

At home in his garage with a dirty needle.

Caleb Beaver (04:58):

It’d be similar to like somebody administering insulin to themselves, I think.

Sevan Matossian (05:03):

Hmm. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Caleb Beaver (05:05):

It should be like somebody with diabetes who doing string insulin.

Sevan Matossian (05:09):

Uh, Dylan, uh, uh, Savon. You see Hillary’s video in Annie this morning. I, it when I was, uh, it popped up as I perused over some YouTube station or something. It popped up. I was like, oh, Nelly. Oh, Nelly. There was all sorts of talk about Annie not getting full range of motion at, uh, waap Polooza or, or something that, and, and like, the people didn’t like the way she was doing her burpees. And, and, and I talked to some people about it. I’m like, you really think that something was wrong with her burpees bar? Uh, you know, Cinco synchro burpees. And they’re like, well dude, if it looks different than everyone else’s, something’s wrong with it. I’m like, I can’t, I can’t get behind that. I can’t, I can’t. Um, everyone talks about the spirit of things and this like, do you remember like when they were bar jumping over the bar burpees and someone had changed those weights to those little weights?

Caleb Beaver (05:59):


Sevan Matossian (06:00):

Or, or at the 2008 or nine games, Matt Murky was bouncing the, uh, clean mm-hmm. <affirmative> hundred 55. I I, I, I’m fine either way. I’m fine busting those people for it, but I’m also not, I just see it as innovation. How about the guy, the fos? I just used the fosbury flop as the example. Everyone was jumping over the high jump like a jackass. And this guy just one year showed up at the Olympics. He wasn’t even a high jumper. He was an engineer. And he starts doing the, you know, flopping over, turning his back to the bar.


Uh, it was skipping over the dumbbell during the burpees. And Chase mentioned it during the broadcast. I I mean, both her feet were in the air at the same time. Right? So, so do both your feet have to be in the air at the same time, or do both your feet have to come off the ground now? Let me tell you something. I I do a lot of jumping in the garage with my kids. And I, if, if they don’t jump off the ground with both feet, I tell them, I said, Hey, you know, you both feet didn’t come off the ground at the same time. And I, and you know, it’s e it’s easier to, if, like, if we’re, if you’re jumping to a small target, like from one, like a box onto a balance beam, and you take a step jump instead of a, a bound jump, it’s definitely easier to take the step jump. It’s less impressive looking. Um,

Caleb Beaver (07:16):

Yeah. It’s easier to navigate the obstacle that you’re jumping across.

Sevan Matossian (07:20):

What, what, I wonder what spikes your heart rate more? I’m guessing bounding, right? Two feet jump. Two foot jump.

Caleb Beaver (07:26):

Yeah. Probably the two foot jump,

Sevan Matossian (07:28):

Because the one foot jump, uh, if, if you’re jumping with one foot, it’s just like, it’s just like gravity. You can just lean and your body kind of, you know what I mean? It’s like falling, jumping with one foot instead of two feet. It’s just like, I mean, I’m no kinesiologist, but it’s just leaning. Hi Anthony.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (07:42):

Hey. How’s it going?

Sevan Matossian (07:43):

Awesome. Good to see you brother.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (07:45):

You too. Yeah, sorry, I’m running a second late, but,

Sevan Matossian (07:48):

Uh, no worries.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (07:50):

I’m trying to grab something here.

Sevan Matossian (07:52):

I, um, are an Anthony. Are, are, is your last name Chaffey or Chaffee?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (08:00):


Sevan Matossian (08:01):

Chaffe. Anthony Chaffee. Are you related to the, um, uh, arm wrestler, uh, Chaffee? I think his name’s Daniel Chaffee.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (08:08):

No, no. I don’t know if I’ve come across him. Um, okay. Yeah, but I mean, potentially it’s not a, it’s not a common name, so probably somewhere back there.

Sevan Matossian (08:16):

He, he’s one of the best in North America. Maybe top, I don’t know, five heavyweights. I, I think it’s name. Oh, nice. No, no, not Daniel Chaffe. Is it Daniel Chaffee? Are you looking him up? Uh, K Chaffe. And I know the guest I had on last night, I know his arm wrestled him. Travis has definitely arm wrestled him.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (08:32):

Dave Chaffee.

Sevan Matossian (08:33):

Oh, Dave Chaffee. Do you know Dave Chaffee?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (08:36):

No, I don’t think so.

Sevan Matossian (08:37):

Oh, okay. Hey, are you, are you American?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (08:41):

Yes, I am. Yeah. Oh, just, uh, I moved to Australia just a few years ago, just, just for fun, really.

Sevan Matossian (08:47):

And you’re kind of picking up a little bit of an accent maybe?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (08:51):

I hope not. Yeah, maybe <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (08:53):

Well, if you’re gonna get one, that’s the one to get.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (08:55):

Yeah. Yeah. I definitely didn’t wanna pick up, uh, the Irish accent. That one’s a bit too harsh for me.

Sevan Matossian (09:02):

Did you study over there?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (09:03):

I did, yeah. I lived over there for six years. Yeah. So I went to, I did, um, uh, graduate medicine over there and then, um, worked over there as a doctor for a few years.

Sevan Matossian (09:15):

And then, and are, are you, and then did you go back to school? Are you studying to be a neurosurgeon?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (09:20):

So, yeah, so in residency, so it’s, um, uh, yeah, sort of, sort of professional training I guess you could call it. So yeah, anytime you’re going into like, you finish medical school, then you, if you want to specialize, then you need to do a residency program.

Sevan Matossian (09:37):

And, and what is a neurosurgeon?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (09:40):

Uh, so just, just operating on brains and spines really. So you’re just doing, uh, everything. Yeah. So everything on the neurological system.

Sevan Matossian (09:49):

Wow. Uh, it, it, it’s kind of interesting, um, that you’re, you’re kind of doing, um, you’re going both ways simultaneously and, uh, neurosurgery surgery performed on the nervous system. All right. Especially the brain and spinal cord. Wow. You know, what you’re doing.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (10:05):


Sevan Matossian (10:06):

Uh, it’s kind of interesting, right? Because in one way, you, you’re, you’re going into some of the most detailed ways of fixing a human being. Most, uh, you know, I don’t know, maybe myopic is the word or focused or, or invasive. And then in another way, the other half of your practice is going the least invasive most, uh, like on, I guess here’s another way. Let me reframe that one way. The responsibility’s crazy on the doctor. And the other way is like, Hey, here’s the tools. Fix yourself.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (10:37):

Well, yeah. Well that’s, that’s definitely true. And, and you’re right, neurosurgery is is hyper-specialized and you’re, you’re only working on a very, very small frame of, of patients. And then people generally sub-specialized within that as well. So there might be someone who’s just, you know, really focused on like vascular neurosurgery. So they’re dealing with clipping aneurysms and removing, um, avm. So like different sorts of vascular abnormalities that, uh, can bleed and cause all, all sorts of problems. Or we’re doing bypasses. You know, you have bypass surgery for the heart where you can do that for the brain as well. Um, and while it’s not moving like the heart is and beating and things like that, the vessels are much, much smaller. So you have to do this under a microscope and, um, you know, you’re putting in sort of like, you know, 20, 25 sutures, uh, that are like, literally, like the needles are the size of a splinter, and you have this little thread of cobweb coming off of the back of it. So it’s, uh, it’s a very, very intricate work. And so some people will be even more subspecialized within that subspecialty. And then in functional medicine, you know, healing people just through med, through their diet, it’s very broad strokes. I mean, this is just broadly, this is how the body works and this is how to make it work optimally. And, and you’re in charge of that.

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

So like, maybe someone got a bad batch of, uh, government mandated drugs and they had some clotting and uh, and, and, and someone like you could go in and maybe undo the clot.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (12:11):

Yeah. Yes. Sometimes. Yeah. So if someone has a

Sevan Matossian (12:14):

Stroke, sorry, I just had to stuff that in there and it was a little forced. I felt like it was a little forced, but I had to, sorry.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (12:19):

Well, but, but, you know, but it’s true though. I mean, like, you know, you have someone has a stroke or something like that, but like the, the radiology, uh, they, they take a lot of the endovascular treatments where they’re snaking up little lines and, and, uh, pulling out clots and things like that. But, you know, I’ve seen a lot of patients who have come in, uh, you know, close in close proximity to, to certain medications and had massive, massive brain bleeds

Sevan Matossian (12:43):

And oh my goodness.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (12:45):

And unfortunately many of them didn’t survive. Other ones had, uh, platelet dysfunction that couldn’t be corrected. And so they weren’t even operable anyway because they would’ve just bled out on the table. And, and other, other people didn’t get hit quite so bad. And thankfully, they, they were able to, to weather, uh, the storm and survive. But, um, no, it’s very, very scary. Uh, some of the things you see in, in medicine and certainly in neurosurgery.

Sevan Matossian (13:12):

Anthony, where were you born?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (13:14):

Uh, California. So I grew up in, I was sort of, uh, in Santa Barbara area, and then I moved up to, to Kirkland, Washington, just outside of Seattle when I was about 10.

Sevan Matossian (13:24):

Uh, okay. So, so always, I guess always on the West Coast. I went to, uh, U C S B.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (13:29):

Oh, cool. Yeah. Nice.

Sevan Matossian (13:31):

I did undergrad there for seven years. I lived in Isla Vista for 10 years.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (13:35):

Oh, nice. Awesome. Yeah. I love that area. Yeah, it always feels like home every time I go back to Santa Barbara.

Sevan Matossian (13:40):

It was absolutely fantastic. And okay, and so you end up, uh, and at what point do you get interested in, um, and what was your parents like? Are your parents, uh, were your parents hippies?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (13:52):

No, no. They were, they were, they were very academic. They, um, they, yeah, my dad was a physicist. He, he was a physicist, physicist at the Lawrence Livermore Radiation Laboratory in Berkeley. Yeah. And, uh, worked with, um, Louie Alvarez on his, uh, Nobel Prize winning work on, uh, subatomic particles and, you know, crack any atoms and, and studying all that in the bubble chamber. And so he was, he was, you know, on the ground doing that. So he was, he was on that team. And, um, then got into, well, well, I mean, they sort of developed computers, like, you know, the physicists sort of developed computer science in order to run their experiments. And so he got more and more into computer science and, and then started, you know, taking that off as a career. And, um, and then my mom was a musician. She was a, she was a singer, so she was an opera singer and, um, a classical soprano.


And, um, they met while, while they were at Berkeley. So my mom was doing her undergrad. My dad was doing his doctorate and working at the Lawrence lab. And, um, they just, they just hit it off. And, uh, it was, it was kind of sweet. They met on Valentine’s Day 58 years ago, and they’ve been together ever since and Wow. So yeah, it was very darling. And, um, but yeah, they’re both, both very academic families. So my, my mom’s father was a, was a Rhode Scholar at Oxford and did his PhD at Oxford, did his masters at Harvard and taught at both and then taught at Pomona and, um, George Washington. And, uh, he was, was the world’s expert on Milton, and wrote his dissertation at Oxford on Milton. And, uh, and like a well work that he published, you know, a few years before he died, that he spent 40 years working on, uh, on Milton. And so if people are interested in that, look at, look up the work by, uh, Dr. Edward Weiss Miller, that’s really exhaustive. There’s no, there’s no real better, uh, study than, than what he put together. Um, and then, yeah. And so, and, and my, you know, my, my grandmother and he met while they were at Harvard together, and like her father was,

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

Was she a student there? Was she a student there?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (15:58):

She was, yeah. So my grandmother went to, to Harvard and met while my grandfather was doing his master. So he was doing his, he was doing his road scholarship at Oxford, and then he was in Germany when World War II broke out, and he had to literally flee across Europe to get away from, from all the border closures and, and invasions and things like that. And so the Rhode Scholarship at Oxford sent everyone home. And so he went back and he ended up doing a, a master’s at Harvard. And that’s why he met my, my grandmother. And then he ended up being a, a spy in the war and, uh, doing counter espionage and, uh, and worked there. And he was, um, just funny, you know, it’s just one of those family stories. He was, he was the first ever American spy to turn and work an enemy agent against the, the enemy. And so he wrote a whole,

Sevan Matossian (16:43):

Was that your grandmother? Did he turn your grandmother? Yeah,

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (16:46):

I don’t know. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (16:48):


Dr. Anthony Chaffee (16:48):

Yeah, she might, she might think so. Yeah, they, uh, they ended up getting divorced after about 25 years. But,

Sevan Matossian (16:53):

Um, so wait, so he met, he, he, he converted a spy from a German spy into an American spy.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (16:59):

Yeah. He was posing as a, as a, as a, as a Frenchman he could speak French fluently. Yeah. And so he was, he was in occupied France and pretending to be just a normal French person, and his job was to work out who the German spies were and to try to turn them against the enemy. Wow. And so he was able to do that. And so he was the first

Sevan Matossian (17:19):

God, talk about a scary job, dude.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (17:22):

Yeah, yeah. And, uh, yeah, very crazy. And, um, you know, he was, he was one of the first, maybe the first American, uh, that was trained by m i five and m i six. Um, and probably because of his connections at Oxford and things like that, they liked him. And so he got along really well with the, with the British, uh, sides of things. And, um, and yeah. And so they were, they were, um, doing a lot of work on, on the counter espionage side of things. And he, there’s, um, they did a, a, a sort of a story on it when it became, when it became declassified, uh, after 50 years, and it was called, um, operation Drago, man, that was the name of it. And there was a guy, I forget his name, but interviewed my grandfather and talked about that whole case and everything like that, sort of put it together. But it was, it was actually still used, like his writeup for that was used, uh, in, in the CIA sort of training spycraft sort of training for quite some time. I, I’m probably not used anymore. It’s probably outdated, but it’s, uh, it was used for quite a while.

Sevan Matossian (18:24):

Just imagine that you’re trying to get someone to, to flip, but you have no idea. I mean, it’s just a liar’s name, right? Yeah. I mean, it’s just like a cr I would need a big bag of like M D M A. Yeah. <laugh>, like, as, as, as one of my primary tools to give people What a crazy, I mean, cuz you could think you’re flipping someone and then last minute they, they snare you. Yeah.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (18:44):

And that, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Because yeah, you really are putting yourself out there and, um, you know, because you have, you have to sort of let yourself be known that you are, you know, an enemy agent and so they could, they could easily, easily bust you and kill you or have you tortured. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (19:01):

Do you know the story of, uh, OT Warburg over there?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (19:06):

Uh, I know, I know who OT Warburg is, but I don’t know his full backstory.

Sevan Matossian (19:09):

There’s this book, I think you would dig it. It’s, um, we, we had the author on, the guy’s name is Sam Apple, and the book’s name is Ravenous. And it goes into basically, you know how Otto was the homosexual Jew living in Germany, and Hitler was just killing everybody, and especially Jews in homosexuals, but he let this guy live because Hitler had a deep, deep fear of cancer. Crazy fear of cancer. Really? Yeah. And so thi and this was the guy, um, the father of photosynthesis, and this is the guy that, uh, um, uh, discovered basically, I think, I think one of the Nobel prizes. He, he won two Nobel prizes. Hitler didn’t let him grab the second one, but the first one he won, I think was, uh, uh, discovering that cancer’s a metabolic disease. And then as we’ve seen, even though he won the Nobel Prize where cancer research went and the like, lost its way and, and went, went in the wrong direction.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (20:03):

<laugh>. Yeah, definitely. And he, he, he wrote the seminal work. I mean, it was, it was a culmination of like 20 years of work, but in 1951 he wrote a paper called, um, I believe it was The Origin of Cancer, and just goes into it and it just shows how this is a, a metabo

Sevan Matossian (20:19):

That was actually the name of the, so he was, he’s putting his stake in it. I didn’t know that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Like he put the Auto Warwick flag in cancer.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (20:26):

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, you know, he just showed that, that this is, this is where cancer’s come from. They, they come from, uh, the, uh, yeah, there you go. Uh, it comes from a dysfunction of the mitochondria. It’s not a genetic disease. Um, there are genetic changes in some cancers, however, if you look at a tumor, not every cell has the same mutations or even any mutations, but they all behave in the same way. They all behave as cancer. And there are cancers that actually have no genetic changes at all, uh, which is quite interesting. Not everybody knows that. Not a lot of doctors know that. And I did a, I did, um, a uh, sort of a lecture at our neurosurgical grand rounds a couple months ago back in October, talking about the metabolic theory of cancer and talking about warburg’s work and other, other works such as, uh, professor, um, uh, Thomas Siegfried at Boston College. And, um, you know, just showing all of this and, and talking about how not all cancers have, uh, any genetic changes at all. And, and quite a lot of people were there, were like, gee, I didn’t even know that. But it’s, do

Sevan Matossian (21:35):

They say that Anthony? Or do they say, dude, this guy’s lost his way?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (21:38):

Yeah, so that was, that was the thing. Um, at the, at the end of the talk, one of the professors of neurosurgery who’s actually professor of neurosurgery at Yale formally, he, um, you know, I was talking to him about what I was going to do before that, and he was like, you could tell he was a bit nervous. He was like, oh, um, oh, okay. Uh, alright, well, alright, well, okay, well this is a, you know, a sort of a journal club sort of thing, so just make sure that you have, you know, you know, studies and, and journals and things like that to discuss. And I was like, that’s not, that’s not a problem. I had like 30. And, um, and so after I got done with it, he, you know, he even said, he said, Hey, you know, I, I didn’t know what to think about, uh, this study, this topic.


I thought it was like, wow, this is a little out there, but you know, now that I actually see it and you present presented in this way, and there’s so much evidence behind it, like, you know, I’m, I’m really interested in this and, you know, I think that you should do a study. So it was, it was doing that presentation was really, uh, an argument to try to convince my department to let me do a study with brain cancer and, uh, you know, dietary changes. So, so a ketogenic metabolic therapy, um, which is, which actually Cedar Sin Medical Center uses already and has for 15 years or more, and other centers have for, you know, a decade or more as well, um, to, to treat our, our G B M patients and do a larger study because there are a ton of case series and there’s tons of smaller studies, even randomized controlled trials with glioblastoma brain cancers, which is, you know, the most, really, it’s the most aggressive form of cancer that we know of, um, without treatment, um, the average life expectancy is three months.


Ooh. So it’s, that’s a very, very aggressive, and so, you know, they, they have very, very positive results in these smaller human trials and, you know, astounding results in all the animal models with mice and things like that. But, you know, it’s still not all that known because there isn’t a, you know, we have 900 patients and we all did this, and it’s randomized and controlled and all that sort of stuff. There are randomized controlled, but with like 20 people. So, you know, I just propose to my department because we get anywhere from two to five glioblastoma patients a week. You know, we get big numbers because where I am in, uh, Perth, Australia, we are the only neurosurgical center for the entire state of Western Australia, which is about a third of the land mass of, of Australia. So we get everything. And, um, and so we, we see a lot of these unfortunately,

Sevan Matossian (24:13):

But is there a superficial, uh, demographic when you see you’re like, like, like, um, oh, yep, it’s a Filipino overweight, uh, 62 years old. Like, is there, or you know, like is there, is there like something like where you see someone and you’re like, yep, they, that you fit the mold? Yeah.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (24:30):

Um, no, I haven’t, haven’t said sort of piece like a ma major pattern, but most people are overweight and, and all will be eating carbs and sugar and things like that. But I mean, you can say that about most people. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (24:42):

You can say that about anything, right? Broken bones, bad eyes. I mean, like, as soon as you get overweight, the, the falling down becomes a problem, right? Yeah. I mean, e everything exponentially gets like, I dunno if exponential is the right word, but everything gets worse when you’re overweight.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (24:56):

It does, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, think about this, you know, just metabolic syndrome. If you have metabolic syndrome, you’re six times more likely to develop heart disease. If you have diabetes, you’re 10 times more likely. So these, these things do compound and they do, uh, they do go in in, in packs, you know, and if you have different metabolic diseases or metabolic syndrome, you’re more likely to get psychiatric disorders and things like that as well. And if you get one psychiatric disorder, you’re much more predisposed to getting all the other psychiatric disorders as well. So yeah, they do, they do run in packs. And I think that’s, that’s because that these so-called diseases or chronic diseases that we’re treating, like cancer, like heart disease, like diabetes, autoimmune diseases, even psychiatric diseases, that these are not diseases per se, but toxicities and malnutrition. So a toxic buildup of species, inappropriate diet, and a lack of species specific nutrition. Right? So, so namely too many plants that we did not evolve to, to be able to eat and detoxify properly and not enough, you know, fatty meat, which is what humans are designed to eat.

Sevan Matossian (25:59):

Hey, do you know that study? Um, uh, my boss gr uh, I used to, I I used to work over at CrossFit and I worked closely with the founder over there, Greg, Greg Glassman mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and, and he would talk about this study. He, he was a huge fan of Thomas Siegfried. He would, I hung out with him a few times. Uh, he would, he would, Greg would have him around. But there was this study that I heard him talk about, I’m gonna screw it up. I apologize for putting on the spot. But basically they took cancer. They, they took cancer cells from mice who had cancer mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And they, I think they took the nucleus of the cancer cell Yeah. And they put it into cells of healthy mice that didn’t have cancer, and the cancer didn’t spread.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (26:41):

Yeah. Yeah. It’s like,

Sevan Matossian (26:45):

Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (26:46):

Well, I was just gonna say, and it, and it went, it went on from there. So they took, so

Sevan Matossian (26:50):

You know that study?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (26:51):

Oh, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (26:51):

Yeah, yeah. God, I love you, Anthony. Yes. Yes. <laugh>, you’re gonna make me seem smart by the end of this show. Go on. Yes, of course. This study. Yes. Yes.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (26:58):

<laugh>. So yeah. So that was, um, uh, that was a, that was a nuclear trans, uh, transfer study. So they took, they took the nucle, the nuclei from cancer cells with all the genetic changes, right? Because again, not all the cancer cells will have genetic changes. So they took the ones that did have genetic changes, and they put those into, uh, a cell that had healthy mitochondria, um, and it, they did not behave as cancer. They could even clone like frogs and, and rats out of them, right? And then they took the mitochondria out of, uh, the cancer cells, because while cancer cells don’t always have genetic changes, they all have damaged mitochondria, all of them. And so, and that’s very important for many reasons, but they took those damaged mitochondria out and put those into a normal cell with normal healthy d n a, and it did behave as cancer and they couldn’t clone it or anything like that. Just behaved very malignantly, or they just died off. Um, and then they went one step further and they took, um, they took like the healthy mitochondria and put them in cancer cells. It suppressed the cancer.

Sevan Matossian (28:06):

Oh, shit. Wow.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (28:08):


Sevan Matossian (28:09):


Dr. Anthony Chaffee (28:10):

So, so to me, I mean that, that’s Q e d, like, thus it is proved, like that’s just,

Sevan Matossian (28:14):

What’s that mean? Pre q eed

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (28:16):

Q mean, it’s a, it’s Latin means thus it is proven, thus

Sevan Matossian (28:19):

Qa. Yes. Yeah, of course, of course, of course. Anthony. Yes. Yeah. <laugh>.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (28:23):

So that’s what you do, like the end of like a, like a proof or something like that. Like in school, if you did a proof when when you’re done, you just tag in Q e d, which just means the end, you know?

Sevan Matossian (28:33):

That is why this is the greatest podcast ever. Q E D Q E D,

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (28:37):

<laugh>. Yeah. That’s it.

Sevan Matossian (28:38):

Caleb, let’s try to work that into every show after please.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (28:41):

Q e d,

Sevan Matossian (28:42):

<laugh>, Q E d. Um, the, you, you were interviewed the other day by a guy I saw it posted like two weeks ago. Um, and, and he said he had au autism somewhere like halfway through the interview. He is like, yeah, I had autism a year ago. I couldn’t have g done this interview with you, but since I’m on the carnivore diet, my shit’s gotten, I unfucked myself and I saw your face kind of light up like a big smile. And I worked with disabled adults for five years, very closely. And, and with a lot of people with autism, their favorite drink is was was Coca-Cola. Yeah. In, in hindsight. Boy, I really screwed that up. But wow. Did that, did you know when you went into that interview that that guy was autistic?

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (29:27):

No, I, I had no idea. But it, I mean, it was absolutely delight to see that. Could you? Because you didn’t have any idea. Right.

Sevan Matossian (29:33):

You know, he was,

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (29:34):


Sevan Matossian (29:34):

Was a little odd in the beginning. He was a little aggressive, I thought. Like some, some kind of some weird Yeah. But, but, but, but you’re right. I wouldn’t have guessed autistic.

Dr. Anthony Chaffee (29:42):

No. And you know, it’s, um, you know, it could be, you know, any, any sort of, uh, you know, strangeness could, could easily be chalked up to the fact that, you know, he, he’s, he’s, you know, a bit nervous doing, uh, an interview, which is right. You know, I was nervous. I was very nervous doing any.

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