#750 – Wodapalooza 2023 Programming Show with Taylor Self and JR Howell

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Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam, we’re live.

Taylor Self (00:01):

Anytime Lizzie wears that shirt that you’re wearing sev on, she feels like insecure because it, she thinks that people are like gonna think she’s against like birth control.

Sevan Matossian (00:09):

Oh, you just lost me some sales. Damn it. That’s how I feel too though. <laugh>,

Taylor Self (00:14):

Dude, my luteinizing hormones through the roof. I’ve been plunging on the Reg <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

Woo. Coming out hot. Caleb, nice to see you te, nice to see you. And Mr. Howell, nice to see you. Uh, really? Um, a a is there water coming up through the floor? Fuck is going on here in California? Um, uh, we are going to dissect the programming for what, uh, I, I keep saying, and Brian was making fun of me the other day, but is, uh, not arguably is the most competitive and exciting, um, team event in the history of this sport. And now it’ll be interesting to see if what, what kind of programming. And when I say that, let me, let me, let me be more specific. It has the best athletes in a competition event ever in the history of the sport, in my opinion, ever. Now we’re going to see if the programming can take advantage and showcase what these athletes are doing. But we do have another, uh, zinger in it. And the zinger is, is that these athletes will get to compete, some of them. Uh, how many did you say Jr uh, will compete?

Taylor Self (01:19):

22 athletes?

Sevan Matossian (01:21):

Uh, 22 will compete in individual and then also compete in team.

JR Howell (01:26):

Yeah, I don’t know the exact number. That sounds right.

Sevan Matossian (01:28):

Okay. So there is,

JR Howell (01:29):

I say, I would say there’s more than male and

Taylor Self (01:31):

Females. That was, that was from an ar uh, a post from a news source on Instagram that I pulled earlier today.

Sevan Matossian (01:38):

A morning chalkup. Yeah. Yeah. Some of these guys are saying that you can’t rely on them anymore. I, I think that was the insinuation. But, but, but good enough. I’m, I, it’s good enough for this show. I, the morning Chalkup is plenty good enough for Intel for this show. Um, anyway, so, so there’s a lot, a bunch of, uh, multiple factors. Do I, are we, should we start with individual, with the programming and then move across the team?

JR Howell (01:59):

Yeah, that’ll be good.

Sevan Matossian (02:00):

Okay. And then both you guys have looked how, how much of the individual programming is out

JR Howell (02:05):

All but the

Taylor Self (02:06):

Final

JR Howell (02:07):

Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (02:08):

Which is six. Six of the eight,

JR Howell (02:11):

Six of the 800 points are, are accounted for.

Sevan Matossian (02:15):

Okay. Uh, thank you for being, uh, so clear. And for the teams, how much do we know

Taylor Self (02:21):

All, but the final,

Sevan Matossian (02:24):

So 700 of 800 points,

Taylor Self (02:27):

I think it’s 500 of 700.

Sevan Matossian (02:29):

Okay. Uh, now let me ask you this. Uh, I keep, uh, saying this, wanting to get some sort of reaction for someone, but I can’t get the reaction and don’t feel obligated. But, um, is where does this compare for those of us who are spectating who, uh, are just your everyday CrossFitters? How hard is it going to be for the people who do individual and team? Is it equal to the games, Taylor?

Taylor Self (02:59):

Uh, well, if, if you look at assuming it’s, you know, even just assuming it’s six events, each division, that’s 12 total events, you’re doing some work in the team division to one degree or another. It’s maybe not as intense as six games workouts or I won’t say not as intense. Not as, not as much volume potentially, but it’s, yeah, this is not, it’s gonna be a long weekend for people competing in both divisions.

Sevan Matossian (03:27):

Is this harder than semi-finals?

Taylor Self (03:28):

Without a doubt.

Sevan Matossian (03:30):

Is it harder than Dubai if you’re doing both? Yes. Uh, harder than rogue.

Taylor Self (03:36):

Let’s say it’s comparable. Maybe harder, but comparable.

Sevan Matossian (03:40):

Mr. Howell.

Taylor Self (03:43):

Uh,

JR Howell (03:43):

I don’t know. When you start a weekend off with a long trail run like that, that was loaded. I think that kind of set everybody up for the whole weekend. A lot of the athletes, I think Pat said the other day, by the time Sunday rolled around, his body was actually coming back and feeling like he could finish the weekend. But as far as Friday and Saturday goes, it kind of started ’em out in a little bit of a hole. I think what was really cool about them changing this kind of showcase style format where you get to only have two days of individual competition, which allows those people to stick around and have some fun and work out on a team, whether they’re doing it for fun or to win, it’s a little more appealing. The structure of the workouts that we’ll get to a little later with the team they set up such that if you’re somebody that maybe gets a little bit, um, maybe your shoulders get a little achy with a lot of overhead work, well then, okay, maybe you don’t have to do the handstand pushups and you can let one of your teammates take those, take all of those reps on a certain workout, which is, is kind of cool that you can hide some things maybe you’re not as good at, or maybe just prepare for some tweaks that may show up for the guys that are doing both.

Sevan Matossian (04:46):

H how about what, uh, uh, Elisa says, Alyssa says, no way. Rogue was harder. Uh, just to be clear, we’re not talking about the individual event, we’re talking about the people who do both events, the individual and the team combined. I mean, you’re gonna go as hard as you can four workouts on Thursday, four workshops on Friday, and then you’re gonna have to come back and be on a team.

JR Howell (05:07):

Yeah, I mean, and what we know

Sevan Matossian (05:09):

Sounds

JR Howell (05:09):

Horrible. I mean, what we know from what Brian has said is they’re gonna take the competition floor three times on Thursday and three times on Friday. And if you do that math, we already have one back to back workout. That means there’s gonna be another, either back to back or a two-part scored final. And those elicit nothing but intensity.

Taylor Self (05:28):

Intensity. And, and some of the workouts, especially some of the individual workouts, are just so volume dense or intensity dense in my opinion, kind of over a few of the road workouts. Not saying again that the individual and I, I I think it’s comparable and if anything, that the combination of the two are harder than rogue.

Sevan Matossian (05:46):

Alrighty. Uh, but not as hard as the games.

Taylor Self (05:50):

No. Mm. I mean, it’s easy for me to say we’re all sitting in a chair. We’re gonna find out at the end of the weekend what these athletes say if they’re honest.

Sevan Matossian (05:58):

Right. Okay. We are gonna find out. Are are you guys kind of excited to see that? To kind of see, like, I, I know it’s not, we’re not supposed to go there and be like, wow, I wonder how trash they’re gonna get. But are we cur curious some of these guys, like,

Taylor Self (06:10):

I think the most I’m excited for it, it, what I’m most excited for, uh, is I feel like the streams and the broadcast are gonna be much less busy because for two days we get to focus on elite individual and then they’re done. And then two days we get to focus on elite team and I think it’s gonna be easier to follow everything personally. So I’m most excited to see that there are a few workouts that I’m really excited to watch. Um, and that looks super fun.

Sevan Matossian (06:33):

Hey Caleb, when you pull down that banner, can I see the ca does the California Hormones logo stick out? Shit, that’s not good.

Taylor Self (06:42):

Uhoh?

Sevan Matossian (06:43):

Nope. Still not there. <laugh>. Hey, maybe there’s a different branding in the back. There we go. Maybe. Let me see. Uh,

Taylor Self (06:52):

There we go.

Sevan Matossian (06:54):

Uh, I know, but there’s gotta there needs to be something that like just stays up there all the time, right? Doesn’t there? Yeah,

JR Howell (07:00):

There’s normally the, their logo with Paper Street next to it. I think that usually is up on the screen.

Sevan Matossian (07:07):

Like it should say, oh, oh, I see. Oh, it’s gone. It’s gone.

Taylor Self (07:16):

Get the word

Sevan Matossian (07:17):

Caleb. Oh. Oh, here we go. Okay, there’s one. I see a good job, Caleb, how about this one?

Taylor Self (07:24):

Nope, you’re blocking it now.

Sevan Matossian (07:26):

What a dude. What if I go to this? Oh God. Okay. We need to rework that by tomorrow. Shit. Sponsorship, pooled. Okay. Um, uh, anything, anything else we wanna talk about? Is this traditional, uh, waap pza, um, programming? Like, do you guys recognize it? You’re like, yep, this is Waap Alza.

JR Howell (07:47):

Yeah, I think this, it’s got a, it’s got a little more of a footprint on it being Guido’s programming. I mean, he hasn’t programmed every single year of Waap Alza. I think it’s been a couple years since he, he’s programmed the event and they’ve brought him back in now to do it, which, um, it’s pretty cool. And there is a little different feel than like, last year for instance,

Taylor Self (08:09):

I, I don’t n i what catches my eye far, sorry, what catches my eye far less than the footprint of the programming. I think just what sticks out to me, um, is there’s a lot going on

Sevan Matossian (08:27):

Too, too much. You’re, you’re trying to be nice. Is this a gentler, uh, Taylor self that we’re seeing? Um, you there, there’s too, too much going on.

Taylor Self (08:36):

I think just, and this is just, again, my opinion. I, I love old school simplicity and elegance and I, I think in one work, that workout that is there, um, and that’s the wall ball workout for the individuals. I love that workout. Beautiful. Um, and that, I think that has the potential to be one of the hardest of the weekend with the 300 drag up double unders. Um, I, beyond that, I, I just don’t see a lot of that simplicity in a lot of the other events. And I feel like over, over everything, to me, the more busy you create a workout, the more difficult you make it on athletes to get intensity. Um, there’s just a lot to think about. I think, I think as a, as a general scheme or an overarching theme that I see is there is a lot going on, a lot of the workouts and whether or not that’s just, they felt that they wanted to include a lot of different movement variations to test a lot of different things. There’s an argument to be made for that and they don’t have a lot of events to do it. Um, but at the same time, you can test capacities and skills without testing every variation of that capacity and skill. And, and so I, I just think it lacks a little bit of elegance and simplicity and that’s, that’s what I l that’s what I love most about a lot of Dave’s programming or all of Dave’s programming for the most part, is it is so elegant and simple and at the same time destructive and effective.

Sevan Matossian (10:02):

All right. Uh, should we dig in? Should we just start looking at, uh, start an individual and just work our way across?

JR Howell (10:10):

Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (10:10):

Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Mr. Beaver. Thank you. Look at, oh, oh, there you go. Now it’s beautiful. Ah, okay, cool. Now I see the setup, uh, for time 2115, uh, ring muscle ups. The first number is male, second number is female. 21. Back squats 2 35, 1 65. Then back to the ring muscle up 15 and 12. Oh, now I know what you’re talking about. 15 front squats, the nine ring muscle ups. The nine overhead squats. Okay. Not so bad. This one’s cool.

Taylor Self (10:44):

Yeah. Yeah. I like, I like this. This

Sevan Matossian (10:45):

One’s cool.

Taylor Self (10:46):

What I like Go ahead.

JR Howell (10:49):

Yeah, this one I think is, is really cool. And actually I wanna say maybe it was on the, this workout release video or a different video. I saw Gito actually said that this is something, this is a workout that is very historical to him. Like he’s had this workout, so to speak, in his back pocket for a long time and he is really excited to finally be able to, to showcase it. Like he’s, he’s had this workout written for a while.

Taylor Self (11:10):

Yeah, this is an awesome workout. I think this one is also, this has simplicity and elegance. I think it also mirrors a lot of games workouts that have had similar formats. Um, I think what I like a lot about this, and I’m sure JR loves this, is when you have an event with such a high skill gymnastic movement that is so upper body dominant, you look at kind of how the females are gonna handle that. And you either have to account for their score within extended time cap if you keep the reps the same or oftentimes it’s best to cut the reps a little bit and keep the time gap the same. And so I like how they, how they gave the female the 15 ring muscle up and the 12 ring muscle up and kept it at nine and it keeps the rep scheme pretty elegant too. 15, 12 9, I like that.

JR Howell (11:51):

Um, yeah, it’s awesome. Yeah, it’s awesome that they’re finishing with nine because when I look at the workout, I don’t think there’s going to be a terrible amount of separation for the elites on the first two round, but I for sure think that the last set of muscle ups and especially the nine overhead squats is gonna be where you see people make their move or where you see people fall back because they’re not able to hang onto the bar and go for non unbroken overhead

Taylor Self (12:15):

Squats. And I think the keyword there is the elites, there are gonna be half the field of these men are gonna get punched in the mouth by those 21 ring muscle ups. But all of the games athletes or the top performing games athletes, there’s not gonna be a ton of separation there. I’m not, I’m interested to see if any of them think it’s a good idea. It’s a rip out 21 and broken. I know, you know, several of them there have the capacity to do that. Um, but at the end of the day, it’s more than likely that the workout’s gonna come down to the final nine overhead squats. And I think, you know, I was talking to Brian earlier about, uh, gee and this workout and he’s someone that I think you should keep an eye on us. But you know, talking through it with Brian, you have the ability to get to those nine overhead squats and rip ’em out unbroken in 30 seconds or less and he’s just gonna pass like 10 people who fumble the bar or rush to get there and then have to break it up several times.

JR Howell (13:01):

Yeah. And I think there’s a lot of strategy. I mean, looking at, it’ll workout this simple, there’s a lot of strategy that goes into it in that middle round because everyone that does 21 15 9 workouts knows it’s the 15 round. Yeah. That sometimes can make or break you. So are you someone that knows you can go from 21 unbroken ring muscle ups to 21 relatively fast squats and at a high heart rate jump up and knock out 15? Or do you know you should go eight, seven or nine six or 6 54 saving the big set for the end, knowing the overhead squat is looming and hey, I don’t have a rack and it’s 2 35, 1 65. Yeah. So if I, if I do seven unbroken overhead squats, I’m not dropping the bar to the floor and resting five seconds, I’m dropping the bar and resting 30 seconds before I clean and jerk it, get it to the back rack. Yeah. And finish up my race.

Taylor Self (13:52):

I think the two worst places to break the workout on the barbell or the back squat and the overhead squat, just the time to get the bar into a good position. So I would imagine smart athletes are gonna go on broken on the 21 back squats and the athletes that have the capacity need to go on, broken on the nine overhead. I think breaking the 15 front squats is much more manageable for most athletes. Cuz you can just squat, clean it into that first rep and then Absolutely. I don’t imagine anyone’s going to go on broken on that middle set of bring muscle ups. I, I would, I would be very hard pressed. Um, the nine is going to be a challenge after the, the first two rounds.

Sevan Matossian (14:25):

Uh, what place would Colton mes have taken on this?

Taylor Self (14:30):

This is a good workout. Uh, I don’t, I I’m not, well I was gonna say, I don’t know about his overhead squat, but he smashed the overhead squat last year. Celebrate 10, so I would imagine

JR Howell (14:40):

Yeah, that was what, that was 30 pounds lighter. It was 2 0 5,

Taylor Self (14:42):

Right? It was, yeah, it was 30 pounds lighter, but he obliterated it. Um, the only thing about that workout to me was the muscle ups were relatively irrelevant. It was pretty much, much an overhead squat workout and a handstand pushup workout. Um, and I don’t know how his volume is on the rings, um, but I think Colton Merton’s would’ve for sure been top three in this workout.

Sevan Matossian (15:00):

Hey, uh, for, I know most of you guys listening know this, but at your garden variety affiliate, if you’re someone who can do just the ring muscle ups in 12 minutes, you’re probably one of the fittest dudes in the gym. No doubt. Hands down. Yeah. 45. 45 and 12 minutes. You’re a savage. And they’re gonna do all this squatting too. Uh, I I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say half the field doesn’t finish this, especially in the women, I’m gonna say half the women don’t finish this. What do you think?

Taylor Self (15:27):

I don’t know. I don’t think 12 minutes is that aggressive for a lot of these athletes. I think in my mind, I think of, okay, how many, what does 30 ring muscle ups take? Um, someone who’s really, really good and you’re looking at a minute and a half to a minute, 50 seconds. Um, and then add 50 on top of that. All these athletes should have the capacity to do, or at least all I get, I get

Sevan Matossian (15:48):

Hert or does she finish this? Does Olivia, did I finish this?

JR Howell (15:53):

Uh, that’s a great question. Uh, they didn’t do ring muscle ups at Rogue. Correct. They did the log bar muscle up. So we really haven’t seen her in a big competition do a dense set of ring muscle ups, especially against the higher level caliber competition. So it’ll be, it’ll be cool to see how she manages

Taylor Self (16:09):

This. Yeah. I wonder if this is a stubby bar as well. What do you think? JR?

JR Howell (16:13):

Uh, for sure. I think if you just think about like the aesthetics of everything. Yeah. If they have a 35 pound C 70 and they do, you know, two blues and a 10, it looks good and it’s, that’s 2 35, right?

Taylor Self (16:26):

Yeah. I don’t think most of the men, or at least the top performers have an issue, but then, you know, with Waap you have the, the bottom 20 that are always a question mark because they’re coming from all over. Um, and, and to be honest, it’s really the, the top 15 men that are relevant. Um, and I’m not sure, I’m not sure what the bottom half of the field is, so it’s not outside the realm of possibility that, uh, several, a lot of people don’t finish. But I don’t think those are the people that we’re looking at or worried about.

Sevan Matossian (16:55):

Hey, uh, but you’re saying no one goes unbroken

Taylor Self (16:58):

On everything. Absolutely not. And if they did, it would take ’em a lot longer than 12 minutes.

JR Howell (17:03):

Okay. I think you’re, I think you’re more likely to see someone choose to try to go unbroken on all of one of the movements and then purposely break the other movements versus trying to go on broken on both. Like if you know you’re an amazing squatter and you say, Hey, I’m gonna break the 21, um, whatever, 15 six, and then I’m gonna break the 15 ring muscle ups again, nine, six. But on the, on the squats, I’m not dropping it. I think it’s probably more of a strategy you’re likely to see, or someone maybe like Pat or another person who’s super elite at ring muscle up say, I’m gonna break the squat purposefully, like Taylor was saying, especially the front squats, I’m gonna break twice just because I wanna try to go unbroken on the rings and knock out the nine at the

Taylor Self (17:47):

End. And, and to be honest, I think if, if you’re in that category of athlete, it’s, you’re not going to have as effective of a workout as someone who is a much stronger squatter and is okay at muscle ups because when you get to the nine overhead squats, if you’re not a good squatter, they’re just going to be a punch in the mouth. And the people who are good squatters can rip through them.

Sevan Matossian (18:05):

I, I don’t, I don’t know Taylor, uh, what about, uh, you, you’re, you at the nine final nine ring muscle up, you do three and you get stopped for a minute.

Taylor Self (18:14):

I don’t think guys are

Sevan Matossian (18:15):

Gonna be that, that. No. Oh well even the women then you get a one minute rest, then you do three more, you get another one minute rest, then you do three more and then, then you’re gonna do those nine overhead squats unbroken. Cuz you got to rest in between those muscle up. Not by choice, but by, by force. Right?

Taylor Self (18:32):

Potentially.

Sevan Matossian (18:33):

Okay. Uh, so we like this one. Good workout. Great workout go. Great workout. Love it. Love it. Okay. Uh, you’d put it in one of your guys’ events.

Taylor Self (18:42):

Yeah. Yeah. That’s cool. I love it.

Sevan Matossian (18:44):

Okay. Okay. One out of the way. Good. We’re on a roll. It’s not too often. And,

Taylor Self (18:47):

And, and the other thing we kind of overlooked is you’re testing a lot of different squatting there. It’s only 45 reps. It’s a ch it’s a challenging load, but you’re testing a back squat, a front squad and an overhead squat, which is cool.

Sevan Matossian (18:57):

Yeah. It’s kind of like of those workouts that you see that do like, uh, you know, the um, pull-ups then Chester bar pull-ups and then bar muscles. Right. It’s like, cool. Same

Taylor Self (19:05):

And nine. And you know, you may look at the nine overhead squats be like, oh, they’re only doing nine overhead squats, but they’re not irrelevant. They’re the linchpin of the workout and so they matter.

JR Howell (19:13):

Yeah. And it’s a sneaky, uh, it’s a sneaky, like if you’re one of the weaker athletes in the field, it’s gonna show with these 45 squats

Taylor Self (19:22):

Ab Absolutely.

Sevan Matossian (19:22):

In a short, so that absolutely, that tags onto what Temi is saying, right? He’s saying, is it just a little too heavy? And you’re saying, yeah, it’s it’s not too heavy, but it’s heavy if you’re not paying attention.

JR Howell (19:31):

It’s heavy. Yeah. It’s heavy enough to expose those that are weak. And I think Love it. Think that’s, uh, that’s

Taylor Self (19:35):

Purposeful. I think the weight is perfect.

Sevan Matossian (19:38):

Alrighty. Uh, oh, here we go. Uh, v Vanessa McNaughton Olivia did well in the online qualifier with 30 Ring Mus. Well then she, then she might own this one and

Taylor Self (19:48):

They also had the ring muscles at Rogue, I forgot, but they had the hill run workout with the golet squat and ring muscle up. I just can’t, there you go. Remember how she finished in that workout? I don’t expect she finished well in that workout.

Sevan Matossian (19:59):

Uh, thank you. Uh, John, uh, who of the three, who of the of you three would win this event? Uh, I’ll just bow out now, Taylor. Okay. Taylor, you getting in shape again?

Taylor Self (20:12):

I’m working out a little, I’m working out a

Sevan Matossian (20:14):

Little bit. You licking your wounds? How, how’s the healing?

Taylor Self (20:17):

Uh, it’s, it’s very, it’s surprising how good I feel, uh, at three months after the surgery. Um,

Sevan Matossian (20:25):

Are you being patient and, and very

Taylor Self (20:27):

Big boy. And that’s what’s most surprising. I’m being super patient and it’s just things are just coming online very quickly, um, which has been a blessing. Um, so feeling

Sevan Matossian (20:37):

Good. Hey, I, I don’t even, I couldn’t beat Taylor if I did, uh, pullups and deadlifts to his, um, ring muscle ups to, uh, the overhead squatting. I’m just, I, I’ll may, I’ll set a time for you. I’ll do deadlifts and pullups and see if you can beat it. Taylor doing that other hard shit. You do that hard shit. You do two. Are you at 2 35 overhead squats yet with that knee

Taylor Self (20:58):

Right now? No. No way.

Sevan Matossian (20:59):

No way. No. Okay. It’s

Taylor Self (21:01):

Way too early for

Sevan Matossian (21:01):

That. But are you squatting? How about air squatting? Oh

Taylor Self (21:04):

Yeah. I’m squatting and, and back squatting. I’m strength squatting. I’m just not, I’m not, I’m not doing any like intensity squatting in a workout. It’s not, not ready for that. You know, you get into a workout like that and you’re bouncing outta the bottom, hitting the stretch reflex, getting pushed into a position that, you know, you need full range of motion to go there. And I have really good range of motion, like far beyond what most people have at three months, but not ready to cut it loose in a workout yet. But I’m squatting twice

Sevan Matossian (21:29):

A week. All righty. Uh, okay. Workout number two. Mr. Beaver, please. Are you doing the open? Uh, Taylor,

Taylor Self (21:37):

I’m gonna sign up and register and just have fun, but I’m not gonna compete this year.

Sevan Matossian (21:41):

Okay. Uh, event number two, max load in four minutes. Uh, one rep clean and jerk. Yep. Then, then you get a two minute rest. Is that what that means? The transition?

Taylor Self (21:57):

Correct.

Sevan Matossian (21:58):

And then, so then you would be at the six minute mark and then you have one attempt for a max time pert free standing handstand hold. Holy smokes.

Taylor Self (22:13):

As of now, this is the only inverted, am I correct? JR the only inverted movement where they’re in a handstand, there’s no handstand pushups or handstand walks for the individuals,

JR Howell (22:24):

Not of the workouts that have been released.

Taylor Self (22:25):

Yeah, there’s a final that’s coming out. Um, but uh, I think as kind of the, that’s the other thing that really caught my eye is as a whole, the event is very, very pulling dominant. And for me as an athlete that’s great. I’m, I’m also great on my hands and a great presser, but gymnastics pulling I’m really good at. So it’s not something I would be upset about to see. I <laugh> I would do well, but it’s interesting that there is a ton of pulling and hanging and not a lot of body weight or gymnastic inverted movements or shoulder dominant movements. And so I just, I look at that and I think that this is,

JR Howell (23:00):

I dunno, yeah, so we know a few things. This is the second like, workout here on the list, but it’s not necessarily workout too. Yeah. So this isn’t necessarily what they’re doing.

Taylor Self (23:09):

This isn’t workout too, in fact

JR Howell (23:11):

It’s not. Yeah, yeah. They’re actually doing this on Friday.

Taylor Self (23:14):

Friday. This is about

JR Howell (23:15):

Four. Those, those people that are thinking they’re going heavy barbell right into heavy barbell, you know, they’re not doing that. Um,

Taylor Self (23:22):

Well that’s,

JR Howell (23:23):

You know, a couple things that Brian has said about this workout is he’s pretty confident there’s going to be a caveat to the one attempt where like, you can maybe think of it as a mulligan, but like, let’s say that you have a two minute window for the ette hold. Maybe assuming no one can hold for two minutes straight, that when it’s, when that clock starts, you have until the 32nd mark to actually get credit for an attempt. So like, let’s say the two minute clock starts, you kick up and you just lose your balance and you come right back down. Okay, you can stand for a second, but by the 32nd mark, you have to be started your attempt or you’re done,

Taylor Self (24:05):

You’re locked in with

Sevan Matossian (24:06):

What you’re done. No, I thought they were kind of pigging off of the back of like what the games that really pushed this year, putting a premium on execution.

Taylor Self (24:13):

No, and and which I, I don’t like that they have that 32nd caveat. I think if you’re gonna give ’em one attempt, I, I like the premium on execution and athletes that just, Hey, if you fuck it up, that’s on you. And that’s, you see that a lot in life and I like, you know, in, in life you don’t get a lot of second chances and a lot of things you have one attempt and if you fuck it up, you know, unfortunately. Well,

JR Howell (24:32):

Yeah, and again, I mean we, I mean we don’t know that for sure. I think that’s something Brian said on one of the shows you guys did with John where he said that he thinks that there, it may not be as stringent as No, the first time you kick up it counts and if it’s two seconds, because if you think about it, what what they probably want to avoid is a ton of ties. So if you have 15 out of 40 people that kick up and then come down within, let’s say two seconds, ah, and they’re doing all this based on stopwatch, then it kind of gets like, oh man, so we, we had half the field like couldn’t hold for five seconds. Yeah. But if they would’ve just gotten to kick up one more time and find, find their point, maybe they can hold it longer. I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (25:11):

Uh, Taylor, let me let, let me ask you this, Taylor, um, what I, I hear what you’re saying and I agree with what you’re saying. Like, fuck, you either get it right or don’t you still at least get half the points cuz you had a chance to do the clean jerk. But when you take into count there’s only eight events and it’s not the game and there’s 13 events, do you have to give a little more wiggle room to let people, uh, have these, um, errors to make sure you get the fittest person?

Taylor Self (25:34):

No, it’s, there’s $75,000 in the line. Fuck, I, I mean, I don’t know. I I and it’s not even fuck you like, it’s not like that’s not my attitude. I just think if you’re going to place a premium on a skill like that, these athletes are better than any athletes in the world at adapting to new things. Okay. So you, the more chances you give someone, the better they’re gonna do. So put the premium on premium on execution and give them one opportunity.

JR Howell (25:58):

While I disagree with Taylor, cuz I actually do like the idea of giving them like one, one gi, one Mulligan. Fuck

Taylor Self (26:05):

That golf is

JR Howell (26:06):

Dumb. They gave, they did give them like two weeks to prepare for this also. Exactly. It’s not something, it’s not something they’re releasing the day before. So de Taylor’s point, it’s like, no, you’ve, you’ve already had two weeks to find your sweet spot. You gotta be able to do it when it matters. So I, the only thing that I don’t like is that coming off of the 2022 games where it seemed like the sport was maybe gonna be moving in a different direction, um, putting a little bit higher premium on accuracy, on execution, on body weight, um, strength comparatively to external loads strength. We know that, that this is gonna be scored 60 40. So the cleaning jerk is out of a possible 60 points, but the para hold, you’re only getting maximum of 40 points for So what does that say? It says that you’re valuing the strength a little bit more than you’re valuing the gymnastics,

Taylor Self (27:00):

Which I don’t like. I think, I think ideally you have four minutes to find a max rep cleaning jerk or a, uh, one rep max cleaning jerk, and then you have four minutes to find your longest attempt at a ette handstand pushup hold or at top of the ette handstand hold and they’re weighted equally.

Sevan Matossian (27:14):

What’s the max, uh, cleaning jerk you think we see

Taylor Self (27:18):

With gee in the field? Yeah, I think I, I think without a doubt, over 365,

JR Howell (27:23):

I think he’ll, I think he’ll just hit what he needs to hit to win.

Sevan Matossian (27:27):

Uh, can he, can he play that game though?

JR Howell (27:31):

Well, as long as there’s not z scoring. He, he for sure. Can

Sevan Matossian (27:34):

You think they’re just all gonna be lined up there and he can just be like doing this shit?

JR Howell (27:38):

Yeah, I, I I, I don’t know. I I imagine there’s just gonna be two heats of, of 20. I I don’t, I don’t know that for sure, but let’s just say there are four heats of 10 going into it. I’m sure he’s gonna be in one of the last heats. Um, I don’t know if they’re receding after the first day. That would be something that would play a big factor, um, to see where he is at after Thursday, if this is like the first workout they do on Friday, but I think going into this workout, he probably knows it’s his to lose.

Sevan Matossian (28:07):

Hey, what do you do in, in an event like this? Do you, since it’s only two days long, do you reseed on the second day? Do you recede after each event? What do you, what what’s the pro protocol on that?

Taylor Self (28:17):

I believe they’re gonna reseed after, I believe they’re gonna reseed after the first day and then they cut before the final event and reseed again.

Sevan Matossian (28:24):

Okay. Okay. Not bad. All right. So, uh, with three, you like his prediction three at least 365. Taylor, you think we’re gonna see a 365 sh uh, off the ground overhead?

JR Howell (28:33):

Oh yeah, I would say there’s gonna be multiple guys that, that do that do close to that. I mean, under the, I mean under the lights Miami ton of energy, I think I, I think you’ll see someone hit over three

Taylor Self (28:46):

70. I don’t think anyone’s going to push key. And I do think that, I’m interested to see how he approaches the workout because in the past he’s known for his theatrics and he enjoys, you know, giving people a show in a spectacle. And I love that. I think that’s awesome. Um, and I was gonna say, I wonder if Rich’s influence Tim to, you know, dial it back a little bit, but Rich’s career as well, rich enjoys the theatrics and stomping people in workouts and I would be surprised if gee plays the game and I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes for kind of a crowd stunner,

Sevan Matossian (29:19):

Basically just, uh, first lift, uh, 3 25 and then jump to 3 85 and just,

Taylor Self (29:25):

I without a doubt, think he wants to make a statement and he will probably, and he’ll probably make a statement on the free standing hold as well.

Sevan Matossian (29:31):

Uh, a any Oh really? He’s good at that too. Yep. Uh, what are, are there any, uh, who’s the guy I had on the show, Rochelle? Uh, the, they call him Thor, he was on the demo. Griffin, Raleigh. Oh, RO Griffin, Raleigh. Yes. Sorry, Rochelle, sorry. Griffin. Uh, Griffin, Raleigh. Uh, any anyone any like just anomalies out there? Like him, just like anyone else who’s No, I don’t think he is. Okay. Yeah,

JR Howell (29:53):

He’s not in the field and Anthony Davis isn’t. But I wanna say when Brian was doing his individual show, there was a guy who maybe he picked.

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