#737 – Rich Froning | The Peoples Champ

Sevan Matossian (00:00):

We’ll do a little, uh, house cleaning before Rich comes on. Bam. We’re live. 11:00 AM Pacific Standard time. Uh, straight off the set of Grease.

Mattew Souza (00:11):


Sevan Matossian (00:12):

You go the remake. Contra Travolta ain’t got shit on Suza. Oh boy. Suzy gotta switch blade. You gotta switch blade.

Mattew Souza (00:21):

Oh, damn it. I just ha

Sevan Matossian (00:23):

<laugh> <laugh> to switch. Blade comb. Yeah. <laugh> switch, blade comb

Mattew Souza (00:29):

Coming on back.

Sevan Matossian (00:30):

Uh, those were cool as a kid. Uh, I really liked your, um, that video. Are we gonna post that? The, the c e o video? Are we gonna post that on the Savon podcast? Instagram? Yeah. I

Mattew Souza (00:40):

Was actually just in the, uh, middle of trying to get it set.

Sevan Matossian (00:43):

Awesome. When I was like, Hey, let’s go on early. Yep.

Mattew Souza (00:45):


Sevan Matossian (00:46):

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, guys, we are, uh, getting ready for Waap Alza. We are, we are, I guess for us. Waap Alza already started. Uh, we’ve been having some, uh, great phone calls with Dylan, and is her name Shana over there?

Mattew Souza (00:58):


Sevan Matossian (00:59):

Sasha, sorry. Sasha. Um, we, the, it seems like, uh, once again this year, we’re gonna be, uh, welcome with Open Arms. I’m super excited about that. We have a great, uh, sponsorship with, uh, California Hormones and Paper Street Coffee working together. If you are an athlete, if you have registered for Waa Palooza and you would like a free shirt while supplies last, you can have one of those c e o shirts. I don’t know if it’s this one. I think it’s more like this one you’ll get than that one, but I’m not sure. But you go to the Paper Street coffee booth, uh, he will be next to Vindicate where other people can buy the booths. Um, the logic was this, uh, waap Polooza, uh, has been so nice to us by, uh, letting us go there with our, our media and open arms. And so, uh, we, we decided, hey, let, what, what can we do to contribute to the ecosystem? I mean, we, they didn’t ask us to do that. We just thought, okay, let’s do that. So, uh, I am back in cashmere. I am not showered <laugh>, but it is the glow of cashmere. I think cashmere comes from a rabbit, right? There’s a cashmere rabbit. This is, oh,

Mattew Souza (02:00):

I don’t have no idea. Rabbit. It looks

Sevan Matossian (02:02):

Great. Rabbit something. Uh, when I used to stay frequently in the, uh, Beverly Hills Montage, I, they, they sold these in the, uh, lobby. So I got one of every color blue, black <laugh>. Of course you did <laugh>. Yeah. So it’s so soft.

Mattew Souza (02:21):

It looks soft from here.

Sevan Matossian (02:23):

Um, I I, I, I wanted to say this real quick while I have five minutes left. There was a comment in, in the YouTube, uh, video we did this morning, the interview we did with James Spragues and, uh, Brian Friend. And it said that eating is so, um, unprofessional. And James was having like a, a, a, a bagel with peanut butter. And I thought that that was interesting. I don’t even know what that means, unprofessional. And I was gonna like, get on my high horse and poo poo all over that comment. But then I thought, when, when you do speak, um, we, we have an obligation to be, um, uh, socially conscious. I guess I’ll give you an example of someone who might not be socially con conscious. Uh, a friend rides over to your house with, um, on their motorcycle. And, uh, your mom walks over to him and goes, you know, you’re gonna die on that.


And they ride over on their motorcycle, and your, your mom goes, you know, you’re gonna die on that thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it’s just, I, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but it, but it pushes the boundaries of what I think of. Like, I, I’m, I’m more, I’m more interested in being socially responsible than professional. I don’t, I don’t even really know what professional means. Professional sounds like woke to me a actually, um, James Sprague is one of the fittest human beings on the planet today. There’s no hyperbole there. And obviously, fueling is a major part of being, uh, one of the fittest people on the planet. And if he has to eat while he fits ascended, talk to us, then I think that’s absolutely professional. Like, it, it just, it’s so, um, it’s such an egotistical term. It really got highlighted to, to me when I thought of the fact when people would call Dave Castro unprofessional.


And I’m just like, wow. He’s like the most professional person I’ve ever met. And, uh, if, if you’re trying to win the hearts in minds of the public, I think wearing a tie, in my opinion, is the le is if you’re a politician, I would rather see a politician in a sheet with nothing else on to show that his mind is transparent. He is transparent, and there’s no ego rather than the suit and tie and all that shit. Like you guys have, I, I just, I just don’t see it the way I guess other people, um, see it. We have tons and tons of censorship already of what we can say and can’t say on this show. I, I, I have no issue with. Um, I I think it’s a misnomer, a mischaracterization. I think when someone says it’s not professional, professional when someone eats on the show, I mean, if you wanna say, Hey, grosses me out when you eat on the show, that that’s, you’re at least the, now you’re talking about what it does to you.


But just saying unprofessional, it’s like, go fuck yourself. You know? Like, I, I, I’m, I’m not buying it. It, it’s, it’s, um, I’m not buying it. If you don’t like it, you don’t like it, and, and that I’m buying that, I’m buying that, it’s fine. Yeah. Some people don’t like to be share a tent with a guy who farts a lot. Yeah, I get it. <laugh> don’t say it like it’s unprofessional. Um, he, he, he, it’s probably one of the most professional things that, uh, please ask Rich to take his shirt off. Okay. That’s unprofessional. <laugh>. <laugh>. Hey, if he comes on with his shirt on, he’s being unprofessional <laugh>.


So, uh, thanks Joel, by the way, for the, uh, buck 99. Thank you. I’m going to predict that. Um, rich is, uh, in his, uh, truck somewhere on the property, um, sort of, he sequestered himself. I don’t know if it was a hater. I just, I just thought it, I, I appreciated the comment because then it gives me an opportunity to, to speak on it. Um, I, in, in the same way, like when, when that, when, uh, d Danar, DeMar, Hamlin Danar, DeMar Hamlin went down the N F l uh, guy, I don’t expect the commentator to just be like, to, it would be socially irresponsible to commentator. Said, Hey, that’s clearly the vaccine. Or that’s clearly like, made a diagnosis right there. I think that would’ve been socially irresponsible. Do I think Twitter and Instagram and, uh, pundits like me who wanna postulate about it, I think it’s totally fine.


Um, I do think it was very unprofessional. There was, I, I showed you guys the article and we’ll talk about it again on the, on the Live Collins Show, we’ll do this weekend sometime that Suza had, doesn’t know about yet. <laugh>, um, uh, uh, I do think it was very unprofessional for that doctor to come on that say, Hey, anyone who’s speculating that it’s the vaccine is the worst of humanity and should climb under the rock that they came out from under. And then three hours later, he went on CNN and started speculating what happened? It’s like, what, what gives you the right to speculate?

Mattew Souza (06:57):

Yeah. Holier than

Sevan Matossian (06:58):

Thou Yeah. Being a doctor definitely doesn’t make you an expert at, at all. W w you are, you are so biased in your opinion as a doctor, you’re the furthest thing from an expert, the furthest thing from an expert. If you’re a doctor, you are bi you, you are a biased at, at best. You’re a hyper biased expert. No, nothing against doctors. It’s just like, I’m a h I’m a hyper bi. I’m not an expert in podcasting. I’m at best, I’m a hyper biased. Um, talk aholic.

Mattew Souza (07:31):

Talk aholic.

Sevan Matossian (07:33):


Mattew Souza (07:33):

Are you going? I’m great. One thing I would like to say real quick before Rich gets on, because I know these shows catch a lot of attention. If you guys have ever received one ounce of value from this show, whether you agree with the live callins and like that, or whether you’re simply here because you’re a fan of Rich or some of the other actors, like,

Sevan Matossian (07:48):

If you’ve enjoyed trolling us, even, even

Mattew Souza (07:50):

If you enjoy trolling us <laugh>, even if you enjoy Sendings on nasty dms, just yes, do his favor. It costs you absolutely nothing. But if you just subscribe to the channel, it means a world to us. If I will never come out here and kind of say this stuff, but this is where I feel I’m responsible for it, because we know that if we drive a call to action, you guys describe, it costs you nothing. It takes 1.5 seconds outta your life. Just hit the button already. Do it now, and we’ll keep bringing you awesome stuff like this.

Sevan Matossian (08:13):

Someone told me that, uh, they’re frustrated with how many, um, notifications they get. Boy, the notifications for YouTube channels I subscribe to don’t bug me at all. Just delete.

Mattew Souza (08:22):

Imagine a world when

Sevan Matossian (08:23):

I can watch.

Mattew Souza (08:24):

We produce so much awesome content. People are frustrated by the amount of content we’re producing. Wow. Wow. What a life you guys are doing. Too much <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (08:32):

It was a regular listener. It was cool. Yeah. Uh, cannot lose to Hiller too late. Hiller won. I can see, I can see. I

Mattew Souza (08:39):

Don’t view ’em as the same thing. I view our channel so separately that it’s not even, that’s like, of course, you know, I,

Sevan Matossian (08:44):

I’m, I’m mostly joking.

Mattew Souza (08:46):

We’re yin and yang. We love each other and compliment.

Sevan Matossian (08:49):

He’s got a, he’s got a great, uh, 10 minute format. I was just, when I was looking at dos and don’ts, when, when I saw that there was that comment of someone eating on the podcast, I was looking at the, um, do, I looked up the dos and don’ts of podcasting. And one of them was never to go over 22 minutes. I was like, well,

Mattew Souza (09:06):


Sevan Matossian (09:07):


Mattew Souza (09:08):

Well, <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (09:10):

Uh, rich just text me, uh, and said he’s not coming to the show.

Mattew Souza (09:14):


Sevan Matossian (09:15):

Just kidding. I’m just kidding. I’m just kidding. Guys, settle down. Look like 10 people who tried to close their window already settled down <laugh>, uh, Anthony tpa. $5. If I get a Covid vaccine between my toes, does that qualify me as a medical expert? Keep up the work boys. Don’t let Rich off Easy today. Always let Rich off easy.

Mattew Souza (09:34):

Rachel’s always easy.

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

I always let Rich off

Mattew Souza (09:37):

Easy. I bet. Hey, I think he’s gonna be a mayhem. Go ahead. Sorry.

Sevan Matossian (09:41):

Uh, I, I titled this, um, podcast. One of the things I wrote in the thumbnail. Oh, by the way, anyone who wants to help us, uh, we will take help. But, but, but, but it’s not easy helping us. It is a fucking lot of work. And you do it for free. Just Ask Rich. Just ask Rich,

Rich Froning (09:58):

Do everything for free, right?

Mattew Souza (10:00):

Yeah. What a good dude.

Rich Froning (10:03):


Mattew Souza (10:05):

<laugh>. Kidding. What are you bringing the heat? <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (10:12):

Rich. Um, my sister called me today and, um, she said, uh, why is Rich coming on the show? What is he promoting

Rich Froning (10:21):

Old news? Right? Old news.

Sevan Matossian (10:22):

She said, what is he promoting? I’m like, uh, I think it’s, I think you have the needle in the wrong spot. She goes, what do you mean? I go, I think it’s Charity.

Mattew Souza (10:29):


Sevan Matossian (10:30):

Charity. Charity. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (10:31):


Sevan Matossian (10:32):

<laugh>. Yeah. I said, it’s more of a charity to the show. And she said, oh, why do you think, um, he does that? And I said, um, I think he does it to a hundred percent. And I could be, have

Mattew Souza (10:49):


Sevan Matossian (10:49):

Fun to have some Okay. Have

Mattew Souza (10:50):


Rich Froning (10:51):


Mattew Souza (10:51):

I was gonna say tax write off, but yeah. Have some fun tax write off. I could <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (10:55):

I made up some really egotistical shit. Go ahead. Tell So how this is fun for you?

Rich Froning (11:00):

Oh, yeah, yeah. It’s good to catch up.

Sevan Matossian (11:02):

Okay. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (11:03):


Sevan Matossian (11:03):

You’re not antisocial, you’re not kind of antisocial.

Rich Froning (11:07):

Uh, depends on the day. Some days I am.

Mattew Souza (11:10):


Rich Froning (11:10):

You know, I, I get, uh, I would say that it’s something that I’ve grown in, so I tell people that all the time. Um, there’s days that, yeah, I don’t wanna, I’m not a, I don’t wanna say I’m an introvert, I’m not an extrovert. I’m a little bit probably in somewhere in the middle, more, a little bit more introverted. I, um, stuff like this won’t burn me out. But if I get in front of a large group and speak or hang out or whatever, or have to interact with a bunch of people, I enjoy it. But when I’m done, uh, it takes me, uh, uh, some rebound time for sure.

Sevan Matossian (11:41):

Uh, Jacqueline Robinson, uh, thank you

Rich Froning (11:44):

Very much, Jacqueline. Thank

Sevan Matossian (11:45):

You. Thank you. Thank you. Thank

Mattew Souza (11:47):

You. Um,

Sevan Matossian (11:48):

So for example, in Santa Cruz, early in your career, uh, you did a performance in front of several thousand people and there was no security, and you finished the workout on the stage, and then the stage got surrounded and you couldn’t get off the stage there.

Rich Froning (12:03):

Full panic.

Sevan Matossian (12:04):

Yeah. That was, and you basically had to sign your way out of there. Yes. It was kind of nuts. I mean, it was great photo op. No one from H two came to save you. I just took photos. <laugh>, I mean, we’re surrounded by thousand people. And you were on a stage there was nowhere to dismount or anything?

Rich Froning (12:18):

Nope. Nope. I was stuck. I was completely trapped. Full on panic. Um, oh, damn. It wore me out worse doing that than doing the actual workout.

Sevan Matossian (12:27):

Yeah. Crazy. And early in your career.

Rich Froning (12:29):

Yeah, early. Yeah. I was, like I said, it’s something that I’ve grown into over the years. Um, early on, you know, speaking in public, anything like that was, was really hard for me. And now doesn’t really bother me. Um, but it’ll drain me for sure.

Sevan Matossian (12:45):

This is what I told her. I said, I think he does it because, uh, we have a history. Yep. And he sees I’m a father with three kids. Yep. And he, it’s his way of, uh, supporting me. And Yes,

Rich Froning (12:58):

Although, and hang it, I like to hang. Yeah. We haven’t talked, you know, every couple months. It’s good. Good to keep up.

Sevan Matossian (13:04):

And, um, then I said, um, uh, we, we, we established a really good friendship in the beginning. And then we, we got distant for a while. No, no, no, no real drama, but just,

Rich Froning (13:13):

Just kids, man. Kids are hard to,

Sevan Matossian (13:16):

And, and some and some work stuff. There was some weird stuff around the film. There was some weird stuff around the film, but nothing bad. No hatred. We, I, no words ever got back to me. You were saying bad shit about me. I never said bad shit about you. Just some distance. And so I said maybe he’s, um, uh, because he’s a good Christian, he’s just like, um, doing it like to, uh, maybe he hates me and he’s just doing it to like, uh, to, to be nice to someone. He hates <laugh>. And my sister said, my sister said this to me. She goes, um, uh, Christians can’t have hate in their heart. That’s right. And I said, how come? And she said, because it interferes with their communication with God. Mm-hmm.

Rich Froning (13:50):

<affirmative>, I can see that. I just, you know, God says, love people and gotta love people. Even, even, you know, it’s what it is. But we’ve, no, we’re good. We’re friends. It’s good. I feel like we’re catching up. Yeah. Um,

Sevan Matossian (14:02):

I feel very close to you now, by the way. I didn’t mean to re I don’t mean to rehash that every show. I just

Rich Froning (14:06):

Yeah, no, I’ve got no problem. No problems.

Sevan Matossian (14:08):

Yeah. I love you. I I’d swim by your house unannounced.

Rich Froning (14:11):

<laugh>, welcome. Anytime. Welcome. Anytime,

Sevan Matossian (14:14):

Uh, donations for Rich’s CrossFit. Open fees for the Master’s division.

Rich Froning (14:19):


Sevan Matossian (14:19):

Thank you, Anthony. Thank

Rich Froning (14:21):

You, Anthony. I appreciate that.

Sevan Matossian (14:23):

What is the demand on your, um, time from outside groups? Is there a, is there a steady drumbeat? Um, rich, will you come to this charity? Rich, will you do my podcast? Rich, will you, um, come enter this, the, you know, ZELOS games? Is there a steady drumbeat or

Rich Froning (14:42):

It just depends on the time of year, really. Um, right now, um, since I’m a murderer and a killer, I’ve been doing a lot of hunting podcast <laugh>, I really enjoy, um, you know, cuz cuz I’m a killer. Uh, so that’s

Sevan Matossian (14:56):

What, is that what people, is that what people are saying on the, on

Rich Froning (14:58):

The internet? Instagrams? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I love it. I love it. Wow. Um, but yeah, so I’ve been doing a couple of those recently. It’s been a ton of fun, uh, to just kind of check out that community and be a part of that. And, um, it’s fun. It’s been a lot. It’s been cool.

Sevan Matossian (15:14):

Uh, when I, it’s funny cause I typed in your name in into, uh, the browser on Chrome. And I was looking around for any podcasts you’ve done. I didn’t see any of the hunting ones.

Rich Froning (15:25):

They’re just, they should, I guess, soon start, um, coming out. I guess I just did one with, um, elk. Elk Fit Elk. Oh man. Uh, elk shake. Elk shake. Um, so that one should be cool. And then, uh, I’m actually gonna go out. Do you guys know who Hanes is?

Sevan Matossian (15:42):

Oh yeah.

Rich Froning (15:44):

Supposed to go out and hang out with Hanes for a couple days. Uh, super excited about that. Cause he’s seems like a cool dude and, and really into fitness and, and hunting and, uh, something that, you know, I’m pretty passionate about both of those.

Sevan Matossian (15:56):

What’s the learning curve on hunting?

Rich Froning (15:59):

Uh, very steep and metaphorically and in real life climbing mountains. There’s, uh, it’s, it’s been good for me. It’s been fun, uh, to fail at something that’s not public, you know, if, if that makes sense. Granted, we are making YouTube videos out of it, so it’s pretty public when you fail, but, um, there’s a challenge to it. Uh, there’s something just natural to it, being out in the woods, disconnecting from everything, chasing a ghost, uh, a little bit of competition. And then now to have some success at it, uh, to have some meat and the reward of some really clean, really good healthy food for me, for my family. Well, my family minus Hillary, she won’t eat it, but my kids love it.

Sevan Matossian (16:43):

Your, your wife won’t eat your kills.

Rich Froning (16:45):

She will not. She does not eat. She does not like things that don’t come from the store.

Sevan Matossian (16:50):

Interesting. Okay.

Rich Froning (16:51):

<laugh>, you know, HIL, she’s, she’s got her, her food thing. She just likes, you know, spaghetti. She loves spaghetti. That’s her deal.

Sevan Matossian (16:58):

I wanna send her the video of, uh, Petta. The, the, the people who, the 24 minute video they have on how cows are harvested from

Rich Froning (17:07):

Uh, oh

Sevan Matossian (17:08):

Yeah. It’s farms. It’s absolutely fucking brutal. It’s,

Rich Froning (17:11):

It’s pretty crazy. So, uh, yeah,

Sevan Matossian (17:13):

Tear jerker ship, for sure.

Rich Froning (17:15):

That’s my kind of rebuttal to anybody that is a, is anti-hunting. Like I get vegan, vegetarian. That’s your, that’s your choice. Um, I can respect your opinion on me being a hunter and not supporting that. Um, but people that eat meat and are against hunting, not if you eat meat and don’t hunt, but if you’re against hunting, uh, that’s where I got a problem.

Sevan Matossian (17:38):

Uh, James Hobart the second I, oh,

Rich Froning (17:41):


Sevan Matossian (17:41):

Also donate towards Rick’s.

Rich Froning (17:43):

Rick’s Rick, Rick <laugh>. Hold Jimmy.

Sevan Matossian (17:48):

That’s the first, first time in 700 shows. Uh, Hobart listens to everyone like a religious nut. I’m his cult leader. And this is the first time he’s donated money. You

Rich Froning (17:55):

Signed Dicks whale skin, Hobart

Sevan Matossian (17:58):

<laugh>. Hey, if, if, if every, if, if, if every man in the United States and every woman in the United States was a hunter, can you imagine the environmental movement mm-hmm. <affirmative> that would fucking get behind that to preserve the land and the animals for hunting. You wanna be, I’m, I’m just making this up off the top of my head, but the last thing you wanna see is, is, uh, land be turned into cities and skyscrapers and be ruined. For sure. Right? Mm-hmm.

Rich Froning (18:24):

<affirmative>. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. No, I mean, and that’s what’s kind of cool about it too, is the more I’ve gotten into hunting, the more conservation stuff is important to me. You know, there’s things that, um, you know, I mean, with our farm, you just look at bison and what we did to them, what, you know, decimated them from, they say anywhere from 40 to 60 million down to less than a thousand. And to see kind of the, the conservation behind that, and then really look at conserving their habitat. You know, people, a lot of people I think look in, look at hunting and oh, it’s just a bunch of killers that are going out there for trophy hunters and, you know, that type of thing where I did keep, um, keep the rack on on my bowl and it’s, it’s in my living room, but it’s more of, um, a memory of the, the time, the sacrifice, the brotherhood, and then the meats in my freezer that I get to eat and, and have that as well. So there’s a, a huge conservation side of hunt. Like yeah, we want to preserve and, and keep, um, keep the herbs and, um, speaking to the elk side of it, but you wanna make sure the animal’s there. Cause if you just decimate it and go out there and are an idiot, um, then yeah, you’re not gonna have anything left to hunt. So I don’t think people, when when they see the negative or think of the negative side of hunting, um, they don’t think about that.

Sevan Matossian (19:38):

Um, you’re not out there to shoot the last white rhino.

Rich Froning (19:41):

No, exactly. We’re going out there and doing it the

Sevan Matossian (19:43):

Right way. So <laugh>,

Rich Froning (19:45):

I don’t have, I Yeah, no, no. Rhinos. I haven’t found one yet.

Sevan Matossian (19:49):

Uh, donation to get Hobart back on the show you. That’s way too much. He’d come back on for 50 cent. Yeah. <laugh>. Uh, what’s it, what’s a, um, what’s the, gimme an example of a, of a a a a failed mission. That was your fault. Have you ever been like, the only thing I can think of, you ever been too noisy? You drop something, um, you talk when you’re not supposed to, uh, you farted, you get a phone call from Hillary. That’s why I say the phone goes off <laugh>.

Rich Froning (20:16):

<laugh> usually there’s no phone reception where we’re at. Uh, I mean, there’s, there’s so much, uh, to it. There’s, you know, it’s very tactical. You, you’re playing wind, you’re playing, obviously sound is something that you’re doing. Uh, wind is the main thing really. Um, you know, if you

Sevan Matossian (20:32):

Get the nose, they got the nose, dude.

Rich Froning (20:34):

Yeah. The, the, just the defense mechanism. You’re in their home. They’re, you know, everybody thinks it’s some defenseless animal, but these things are, they’re hard to find. And then I guarantee we’ve walked past, you know, probably hundreds because of the, their nose, their smell. Um, they’re not defenseless animals out here in the wild. So it’s, uh, I mean, multiple times we’ve, but what we call would call bumping animals, where you, the wind is, you know, kind of at your back. And as you’re walking around, um, you, you see ’em just take off. They, there’s no way they saw you, but they for sure smelled you. So there’s too many probably to count times that we’ve, we’ve screwed it up.

Sevan Matossian (21:15):

Um, when you go out on a hunt, if you’re, let’s say you’re going for one animal. Let’s say you’re going for a deer, but you see an elk can, can you pivot? Is that, uh,

Rich Froning (21:23):

Depends if you have a license for it. So like, when we go out west, I, I’m speaking mainly to elcon. I, I can’t sit still enough, uh, to hunt whitetail here in, in Tennessee. That’s more of a sit and wait type game. I, I like to get out and move. You know, me, I, I can’t sit still for more than, you know, 30 minutes to an hour if I am sitting. And so elk hunting is something that I’ve really gotten into because of the kind of the tactical side of it and moving around. And, um, so you have to buy a tag. And there’s only a certain amount of tags that are given depending on the state. And everything’s kind of different. But I’ll speak to, um, Colorado. Um, you buy an elk tag and over the counter tag with a, a bow and you can get either sex, uh, elk, and they are male and female. There are no in between there.

Sevan Matossian (22:09):

Uh, thank you <laugh>. There’s nothing non non-binary tag where you just shoot anyone. Those are off it

Rich Froning (22:14):

Now. Everybody hates me. Um, but, uh,

Sevan Matossian (22:16):

So no, it’s important these days you’re being courteous. Yeah. You identified them correctly.

Rich Froning (22:21):


Sevan Matossian (22:22):


Rich Froning (22:22):

Good thing. And so, uh, from there, depending on what unit they’re, you know, a lot of the places are, are, um,

Sevan Matossian (22:32):

Let me go back to that real quick for a second. Could you buy a tag that’s just for a male elk?

Rich Froning (22:36):

Yes. Yeah. You can buy a bull tag or a cow tag. So like the second hunt that I went on this year in Colorado, since I already killed a bull, I could only get a, a cow tag.

Sevan Matossian (22:44):

Oh wow. Okay. And you can tell what the difference between man and woman, uh, or female male elk from 50 feet

Rich Froning (22:50):

Pretty far away. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (22:52):

Yeah. Okay. What’s the difference?

Rich Froning (22:54):


Sevan Matossian (22:55):

Okay. Alright. Yeah. <laugh>. Handlers.

Rich Froning (22:58):


Sevan Matossian (22:58):


Rich Froning (22:59):

Handlers, I guess.

Sevan Matossian (23:00):

Alright, I’m ready for my first hunt. CrossFit riverside. 20 bucks. Oh my God. We gotta have rich on more often. This podcast might succeed.

Rich Froning (23:06):

And, uh, so I don’t even remember where we were at, but yes. You can’t

Sevan Matossian (23:11):

Buy the tags.

Rich Froning (23:11):

Yeah, so you buy an elk tag depending on the unit, you could also, uh, purchase a mule deer tag or whatever. Or like, uh, the unit we were in, you could, uh, purchase for extra a hundred dollars of, of black bear tag. Um, but it was only good in a certain amount of units because they keep track of the herd numbers or size of the population. And there it’s just, it’s different no matter or depending on where you go. So, um, if you have a legal tag, yes, you could do that. If you poach, then that’s up to you. But somebody finds out you’re gonna be in big trouble.

Sevan Matossian (23:42):

Um, have you ever, um, like got back to your car or you’re out there and, uh, uh, a forest ranger, whoever it is, comes up to you and says, Hey, can I see your tags?

Rich Froning (23:52):

Uh, we have not, um, where, where we hunt or where we hunted this last time we were pretty close to some, so we hunt public land, uh, was where we killed this last bull. And you’re really close to private land and people frown upon you even stepping foot on their land. So you gotta be pretty smart. There was a, he was weird. It was a weird encounter we had with a guy that, you know, said he was hunting private land but was watch or public land, but was watching us very closely to make sure we never stepped foot on, uh, some private land. So, uh, very defensive on, uh, on their property, which rightfully so

Sevan Matossian (24:26):

Interesting. Okay. And, and so you could see him, you just ran into him out in the middle nowhere.

Rich Froning (24:30):

Yeah, we were just, yeah, well we were carrying back, uh, about 400 pounds of meat on our back and this guy’s like, oh, where’d you kill that at? And he was, oh, that’s, that’s great. Good job. Uh, you know, and investigating a little too much

Sevan Matossian (24:42):

So too, too friendly. Like friendly to the point where it was like manipulative.

Rich Froning (24:46):

Yeah. And then like, kind of followed us to make sure we were staying. Cause we were close. Like I said, coming back out, we were making sure to stay on, um, public land, even carrying this thing out, which was the most miserable experience in my life, uh, carrying this thing out. But, uh, yeah, it was just a little weird.

Sevan Matossian (25:01):

Uh, how, how much of the weight were you carrying?

Rich Froning (25:03):

I had, uh, the backstraps, the loins, and I think a couple organs plus, um, the head, which head and cape, which I’d say around maybe a hundred pounds, um, around there. But it was just really awkward. Uh, it was about two miles if you went in a straight line. Um, but we went up over, around and through and it was, it took a two, two hours. We took, uh, I think it was three or four or five minute breaks. And my heart rate through that whole time averaged 140.

Sevan Matossian (25:34):

And were you just soaking wet when you got

Rich Froning (25:36):

No. Yes. Just Matt. It was probably 60, 70 degrees, but you’re just full of sweat. And it was, like I said, it was top three most miserable things I’ve ever done.

Sevan Matossian (25:45):

So when this guys starts talking to you, you don’t even, it was

Rich Froning (25:47):

Snowing. No, no. It was like 67. But you’re just ready to be done mentally, physically, emotionally. It was, it was hard.

Sevan Matossian (25:54):

Luis Lemos, Lemos one of the biggest contributors to the show. $50, man. Hey, when Dave was on, he gave a hundred. Don’t get too excited. Richard’s excited. Don’t get too excited. Level. Uh, do you, um, that guy, when he starts talking to you because you’re carrying so much weight, do you stop or do you just keep walking and he’s gotta keep up If he wants to talk to you.

Rich Froning (26:13):

I wanna say we maybe stopped for like two seconds, put our hands on our knees and then we’re just kinda like, we’re on bro. You know, like there’s uh, surely there’s an understood and we’re not being dicks, but we’re, we’re carrying a pretty good amount. You would, the only time you would really stop is if you found a good tree that had fallen over and I could set my pack weight on that tree and you’re just, you’re not really sitting on anything, but the pack weight is off of your shoulders and back. And it was, uh, yeah, it was, it was a, it was a grind for sure.

Sevan Matossian (26:40):

Is that dude carrying a gun? Does any part of you think, think, hey, this guy might shoot us and take our me.

Rich Froning (26:44):

He didn’t have a gun. It was, uh, bow season. Uh, uh, he said he was scouting for rifle season, which was a couple months after. So that’s, that was the weird part. Like I said, um, a couple, you know, you’re carrying a side, side arm as well, so hopefully doesn’t come to that. But you never know. Some people, some people get crazy. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (27:03):

I would just think it’s just crazy out there. Holy shit guys, this is nuts. Uh, Josh. Josh,

Rich Froning (27:11):

Thanks Josh.

Mattew Souza (27:13):

Sound it out.

Sevan Matossian (27:14):

<laugh>, uh, uh,

Rich Froning (27:16):

LA Laman

Sevan Matossian (27:17):

Laman from the reader in the group. Uh, rich phoning Josh, uh, Laman. Uh, 99. 99. Love Rich. Who doesn’t? Yeah.

Rich Froning (27:25):

Thank you. Thank you.

Mattew Souza (27:26):

Wait, do people actually jack other people for meat out there?

Rich Froning (27:29):


Mattew Souza (27:30):

Roll up and like,

Sevan Matossian (27:32):

I’m just thinking, I’m just, cuz of that Idaho murder. I got murder on my mind. No,

Mattew Souza (27:35):

Dude. Don’t even get going. My wife has been obsessed with that shit. It’s crazy. <laugh>. It’s nuts. I get the affidavit updates and everything.

Rich Froning (27:45):

I’ve been keeping up with that DeMar Hamlin stuff with the football. The ah, did you watch that? That was crazy. That’s, I watched it live. It was, uh, man, that was bizarre.

Sevan Matossian (27:54):

I got like 20 text messages. Uh, Hey dude, you, I know you don’t watch football, but turn on your TV right now,

Rich Froning (27:58):

Man. It was, uh, I’m glad to hear he’s, he’s making, from everything that I’ve read, he’s making some pretty big improvements. First question he asked when he woke up was, did they win?

Sevan Matossian (28:08):

Oh, did he? Yeah,

Rich Froning (28:09):

That’s what they said. I dunno how true that is, but they said he wrote, he was writing on a notepad and asked if they won.

Sevan Matossian (28:14):

Hey, and what, and, and what did they, what, what ended up happening? I saw that they,

Rich Froning (28:17):

They, they’ve postponed the game indefinitely. I don’t even think they’re gonna play it. Um, they’ve talked about, um, cuz it was, there’s kind of a weird they need, they don’t need the game to figure out who makes the playoffs, but they need the game, the game to see if, um, they need the game to see who’s the number one seed in the afc. And so I think for the AFC Championship, they may plan at a neutral site. I was really hoping they were gonna add an eighth seed. Uh, so my lions might have a chance to, to win it in and not have to worry about Seahawks. But we’ll see.

Sevan Matossian (28:47):

You’re a Detroit, uh, lions fan.

Rich Froning (28:49):

I am, unfortunately, my entire life,

Sevan Matossian (28:51):

<laugh>. Have you ever met Barry?

Rich Froning (28:53):

No. My childhood hero though, I had a fathead of Barry in my office when I had an office, but I don’t even have an off office anymore. Josh took that from me. So,

Sevan Matossian (29:01):

You know, that guy, um, you know, Travis’s son Tyson? I was, I’ve been testing.

Rich Froning (29:05):

Oh man, you oh man. You I’ve, I’ve kept up with him. He’s, uh, an athlete dude.

Sevan Matossian (29:09):

Um, he, uh, when, when the agent was trying to get him to sign with the, when a particular agent was trying to get Tyson to sign with him, yeah. They sent Dan Marino over to his house and Dan Marino had dinner with the family and then Barry Sanders called him.

Rich Froning (29:23):

Oh man. Barry,

Sevan Matossian (29:25):

I’m telling you that crazy. What my

Rich Froning (29:27):

Childhood hero, like the day he retired was the one of the hardest days of my life.

Sevan Matossian (29:32):

Hey, you deserve it. That you, that’s what you did to us. You deserve it. <laugh> someone who retires early, you deserve

Mattew Souza (29:37):

It. I know the feeling Rich.

Rich Froning (29:39):

Sorry, sorry. Hey, I’m still here. I’m still here.

Sevan Matossian (29:43):

So everyone knows that’s it’s Barry Sanders’s fault. If we didn’t get another year outta

Rich Froning (29:46):

Rich <laugh>, hey. Honestly, it might have been, you know, like he did that to me. I was like, you know what, maybe he was, I mean he was like, he didn’t need to keep playing and I don’t blame him. And he kinda lost that fire. Like, I don’t, like, I don’t hold it against him as a child. I held it against him. Now as an adult.

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