#709 – Garrette Glinton | The story you have to hear

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

Bam. We’re live 6 58, 2 minutes early. God, it feels good to be home. Yesterday was my first show back at home. I was out of, uh, town doing the show from a kitchen in Newport Beach for the last two weeks.

Garrette Glinton (00:15):

I know, I saw that. The background was, was weird. I I missed the couch.

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

Yeah, I saw someone said that last night in the comments.

Garrette Glinton (00:24):

<laugh>. There we go. Everything’s normal. Everything’s right Again.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Um, thank you everyone for joining in this morning. Uh, this is probably, uh, one of the, the shows that I’m most, uh, excited that I’ve ever done. Um, I don’t know if I’ve ever started a show saying that, uh, I, um, met, uh, Garrett through Instagram. Um, the conversation was good. I didn’t wanna lose the conversation. I asked her if we could take it to text. And we have slowly built a friendship that’s gone beyond just the show and just kind of texting each other throughout the day. Good morning, Matt.

Garrette Glinton (01:01):


Sevan Matossian (01:05):

We’ve, uh, built a friendship and, um, I, I, I, uh, I, one of the things about me that, um, gets reminded to me, uh, you know, periodically is just how much I love people and love hearing their stories. I was walking down the street the other day in Newport Beach and I heard a guy just tell another guy his life story, and I kind of started like, I went over to go sit close to him just cuz I wanted to hear his life story. And w what’s, um, what I really like about Garrett’s story is, is two things there. It’s an amazing story of, um, adversity at a level that, um, I don’t think most human beings will ever, uh, have to deal with. And then also I think her story will bring a lot of insight into people who, uh, just have no fucking clue that are quick to judge and have no idea, um, what adversity will do to people and the choices that they have to make to overcome that ad adversity.


Because, um, when you go through adversity, there become like two primary pathways, uh, of, of dealing with it, right? You can run from it or, or you can face it. And I think a lot of us, um, run from it. And that’s what we’re seeing in society today. And being surrounded what really got me really, really, I mean, there’s so many pieces to this story that get me, but one of the things she said in the text, uh, exchange we had is that she was surround, she was lucky to be surrounded by good people who helped her face it as opposed to run from it and run from it means, um, uh, instead of dealing with it, you go to the refrigerator and eat something, for example. Or, um, you know, that that would be the most mundane thing that I think most of us are, are familiar with it, as opposed to going inward and kind of like facing, oh shit, I, I, this is gonna be a reoccurring thought.


And, uh, well, here’s another way of running from it. You, you know, you’re addicted to cigarettes. Instead of dealing with that addiction, you just keep smoking more cigarettes. And so we we’re in a time, I think, on the planet, at least basic on the things that I’ve been focused on, is that a lot of people are running from it. And unfortunately, the people who’ve run from it and dealt with these problems from running from it are also now, um, facilitating that other people run from it. And, and most importantly, they’re, they’re helping kids run from their problems instead of, uh, deal with these issues. And I don’t wanna say I, um, I, I am, I’m extremely proud of the show. She sent me a text and I read it to my mom and I told her it was the crowning achievement of this show because through listening to the show, um, it jostled some of her thinking, um, to, uh, to maybe look at things, uh, differently. And so I was just extremely like, tickled by that. Is that a fair characterization? Yeah.

Garrette Glinton (03:56):

You, you’ve challenged me for a long time. Um,

Sevan Matossian (04:00):

Probably Why would you keep listening? Why wouldn’t you just like,

Garrette Glinton (04:02):

I don’t, I well, I

Sevan Matossian (04:04):

<laugh> Are you gluing for punishment? Yeah. She likes torture

Garrette Glinton (04:07):

<laugh>. Yeah. Um, no, I mean, I, I always watched you way back when you used to do the CrossFit podcast and, and honestly, I think the Stacy Tova, uh, interview that you did, like my wife loved that interview and I loved that interview and I thought it was an amazing interview for women, just athletic women, uh, moms, like the whole nine yards. And so when it came out that you were getting crap for that, I was like, what? And so I just kept, you kept saying stuff that just used to piss me off to no end, but like, I knew you were a good dude and I liked your CrossFit content and I liked 99% of what, you know, it was just that 1%. I was like, oh, step on. And I think I dmd you so many times. Like, dude, really <laugh> would, and you would never, you didn’t answer me to begin with, but then you started answering me <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (05:05):

Well, you, you’ve helped, you’ve helped me, uh, a a lot too, because it’s one thing to talk about it from far away and as we get to know you today, it’s another thing to be like, Hey dude, the, these, these are real, these are real issues. It’s not just fucking like, Hey, it’s, it, it’s not easy. It’s, it’s not, it’s easy for me to sit here in my show and be like, Hey, what the fuck? Can’t you see it this way? But it’s another thing when it’s your life.

Garrette Glinton (05:28):

Well, I wanted, I was, I was raised very, uh, I was raised by my grandparents for the most part and my grandfather Marine Corps to the end. You know, there’s no ex-marine, there’s you’re marine, you’re always a marine and con conservative, hardcore conservative. I, every day was Fox News was on the television show, like just e even my uncle, like they all, we we’re all, uh, kind of learned from my grandfather and, and my grandmother was the same way and super religious. And so I was, I brought up that way and I held most of, I’m a registered Republican and then God, somewhere around my, I wanna say early twenties, um, started going way liberal, you know? Right. Because I’m half black, I’m a lesbian. Like, all these things that are supposed to make you liberal, I, I’m all of the, I check every single one of those boxes.


Um, and I went super woke when it was woke time, you know, and God, I watching you like really, like, I, I had to, I was challenged, like I was challenged in my beliefs and I was challenged and you challenged me all the time. And then that Xavier Dar Russo interview, God that hit me, like, that hit me like a ton of bricks. I think that was the one I wrote to you. And I was like, okay, I give up <laugh>, that’s it. I’m like, I gotta go back to what I actually believe in not what is being forced fed to me, um, by a group that I guess I’m supposed to be linked to.

Sevan Matossian (07:12):

I, I, I don’t, I don’t wanna, um, uh, well I eventually, I wanna get back and start at the very beginning, you know, from your birth. But, um, when you say that you give up, is, was there a parallel to that, to also realizing that you were a lesbian also? Like that there’s a point when like, you also had to give up and be like, fuck it, I’m not gonna masquerade anymore as being, uh, straight, I’m fucking lesbian. Yeah. Like, was it kind of like a similarity? Okay, it’s done. I’m not, I’m not fighting that anymore.

Garrette Glinton (07:39):

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. Uh, you could absolutely, you could acc you could absolutely draw those two things. Connect those two things. Um, it’s just funny because it was like I had my original core beliefs and then I got away from them and then now I’m like, no, my core beliefs weren’t wrong. Like they mm. They might have needed tweaking, but they, they were right for the most part. Um, I never like, was straight then gay, then went back to being straight. If you want

Sevan Matossian (08:08):

<laugh>, that’s, you were mascara, you were masquerading as straight and then finally it was just, it became exhausting. So you just like, fuck it. I give up, I’m lesbian.

Garrette Glinton (08:15):

Yeah. Pretty well. I mean, I didn’t masquerade well, I’m six feet tall and play basketball, but <laugh>. Right, right. I tried.

Sevan Matossian (08:23):

Right. Um, and and you have, you have red hair.

Garrette Glinton (08:26):

No. You keep saying, my wife has red hair,

Sevan Matossian (08:29):

But you, I thought, I’ve thought I’ve seen pictures of you when your hair was curly on top.

Garrette Glinton (08:33):

Yeah. I

Sevan Matossian (08:34):

Mean like bigger than like a traditional, you know, black person’s curls like, like kind of like a hybrid between a Jew black curl. Uh,

Garrette Glinton (08:40):

I had them out before, but yeah, like I can get Frey if you want, get throwy

Sevan Matossian (08:44):

<laugh>, but it’s not red. Okay. It’s not red. And then you have freckles. Cuz when I looked at you I was like, oh, she’s kind of like a cane Mexican. <laugh> iPic. I pictured you as kind of like this, this redheaded black gal.

Garrette Glinton (08:54):

Uh, well I wish I had red hair. It’s

Sevan Matossian (08:57):

Beautiful. But you don’t,

Garrette Glinton (08:57):

Yeah, but no, I get blonde in the summer. I can get blonde like my, my, I’ll have that Justin Timberlake like blonde tip thing happen, but that’s it.

Sevan Matossian (09:07):

Okay. And, and, and you do have freckles

Garrette Glinton (09:09):

Little bit. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (09:11):

Yeah. And did you have freckles as a kid?

Garrette Glinton (09:13):

Little bit, yeah. And then just in the,

Sevan Matossian (09:15):

Yeah. Okay. Um, well, where were you born? What state were you born in?

Garrette Glinton (09:19):

New York. Um, but the red part of New York. I was born in Utica.

Sevan Matossian (09:23):

Okay. Which, that’s like upstate. That’s out of the city.

Garrette Glinton (09:26):

Yeah, by Syracuse.

Sevan Matossian (09:27):

Okay. And um, and your your, your mom was black or your, or your dad was black?

Garrette Glinton (09:34):

My dad’s

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

Black dad was black. And how did they meet?

Garrette Glinton (09:38):

Uh, my mom actually went to Mohawk Valley Community College in Utica. And that’s where my dad’s family is from is Utica.

Sevan Matossian (09:47):

And is it your mom’s dad that, um, was the Marine or your dad’s dad? That was the Marine,

Garrette Glinton (09:53):

My mom’s dad.

Sevan Matossian (09:54):

And, and what did, what did he think, um, when, um, your, your whitey mom married your Blackie dad?

Garrette Glinton (10:00):

Uh, I don’t know how I, my grandfather was never like, I don’t know if I, I think he was just more or less mad that his, you know, 19 year old daughter came home pregnant, but Okay. I don’t think he cared whether he was black or white. Just like, why are you pregnant? You’re supposed to be in school like Right,

Sevan Matossian (10:20):

Right, right. Nineteens too young. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and you, were you there first?

Garrette Glinton (10:26):

Yeah. And only,

Sevan Matossian (10:27):

Okay, so you’re born and, um, they, they end up not staying together obviously because you get raised by your grandparents?

Garrette Glinton (10:35):

Uh, well, they, they didn’t stay together because my dad kind of repopulated the East coast and I had a bunch of different kids and

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

Gotcha, gotcha.

Garrette Glinton (10:44):

<laugh>. So then my mom went home to her parents and, uh, yeah. And then my mom had some of her own issues, so I ended up getting raised by my grandparents.

Sevan Matossian (10:53):

And, um, how, how, how many, uh, kids does your dad have?

Garrette Glinton (10:57):

There’s six of us altogether.

Sevan Matossian (10:58):

And are you, are you acquainted with that side of the family?

Garrette Glinton (11:01):

Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (11:03):


Garrette Glinton (11:03):

There’s only one brother. Um, he is, uh, the second to last. And we’ve, I only have pictures of him as a baby. I’ve never met him. I don’t even know if he knows who we are.

Sevan Matossian (11:16):

So fi so five of them you you’re acquainted with?

Garrette Glinton (11:19):

Yeah, there’s five of us. We’re all pretty tight,

Sevan Matossian (11:21):

So. Okay, so you are pretty tight with them and in your Instagram? Um, it’s private. That’s why I didn’t send you any links. Su um, in your Instagram, by the way, I use pictures from your Instagram as the thumbnail. Yeah.

Garrette Glinton (11:33):

You found the one picture of me dressed like a girl, <laugh>, like, there’s like only four in the world. And you found the one.

Sevan Matossian (11:41):

Well, I like, I like, I liked what you wrote in there. Look, I’m wearing a skirt and it’s like, and the sh and the, and the shots cropped and you can’t even tell you’re wearing a skirt.

Garrette Glinton (11:50):

<laugh>. I looked at my wife, I’m like, he found one of the four pictures on the planet where I’m in a skirt.

Sevan Matossian (11:56):

I will change, I will change that. If any of those bother you. No, that’s fine. Okay. Cause last night I was thinking, you know, her account’s private and I’m stealing pictures of her

Garrette Glinton (12:02):

Account. No, it’s super funny. Go for it. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (12:03):


Mattew Souza (12:04):

I’m feeding the purpose there.

Sevan Matossian (12:05):

Yeah. Okay.

Mattew Souza (12:06):

Doxing. I,

Sevan Matossian (12:07):

I, I also went to, so actually I went to Colleen’s account. I went to your wife’s account and hers was private too. Cuz I was like, okay, if hers is open, then I’ll just take the pictures from hers. And finally I was like, all right, fuck

Garrette Glinton (12:18):

It. You can, Susan, you can go on my account if you want. It’s fine. I don’t care. <laugh>, I just don’t, we don’t, we’re not in like social media people. So,

Sevan Matossian (12:26):

Um, do you have, do you have your phone with you now? Yeah,

Garrette Glinton (12:28):

I can let ’em on.

Sevan Matossian (12:29):

Yeah. Could you? That would be awesome. Yeah. Um, so what happened?

Mattew Souza (12:33):

Can you send me your handle in the private chat?

Garrette Glinton (12:36):

Oh, see, this is so, okay. Um,

Sevan Matossian (12:41):

Hold God, I can, I can, I can send it to you. I can send it to you too. Yeah,

Mattew Souza (12:45):

Please. Yeah, if you wanna blast it, then I’ll like,

Sevan Matossian (12:47):

We’re so, we’re, so we’re, so we’re so prepared here.

Mattew Souza (12:49):

I’ll request

Sevan Matossian (12:51):

One second here. The, the reason why I bring up the family is, um, you seem family oriented. Yeah. There are a lot of pictures of your family in there. Pictures of your grandfather, pictures of your dad, um, pictures of your kid, uh, pictures of your mama. Is that your grandmother? Is that what you call your grandmother?

Garrette Glinton (13:08):

Mema? Yeah, that’s Grandma mema. Yep.

Sevan Matossian (13:11):

And so, and so you, so you do, you do have family around you mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, and you’ve gone through a lot of stuff. And so I just a picture that you would you, I picture you wouldn’t have a lot of family around you.

Garrette Glinton (13:23):

No, I, uh, my grandparents were the greatest. Like, they, they always, you know, big family Christmas things, big family Thanksgiving things. Um, 4th of July, huge just family barbecue reunion. I mean it, we, they made it as normal as possible for me growing up.

Sevan Matossian (13:44):

And so, so you’re, you’re, um, an only child being raised by your marine grandfather and your mema? Yep. And, um, and, and that starts right away, basically just from, from birth?

Garrette Glinton (13:58):

No, well they were, I mean, they took my mother and I in, um, basically at six, that six week checkup that you get mm-hmm. <affirmative>, my mom got that six week checkup, got on a train, went from Utica back to Long Island. Um, and then, you know, she, we all lived together. Like, it was kind of like they took care of her by proxy taking care of me.

Sevan Matossian (14:21):

Okay. So your mom lived at the house too, so it wasn’t like you didn’t have your mom?

Garrette Glinton (14:25):

No, I, I didn’t, my mom had her issues somewhere around 12. It was like 12. I went to go live with my grandparents full-time without my mom.

Sevan Matossian (14:34):

Okay. And, and, and there’s pictures of you, um, also in there of you as a little girl and you just look and you look like the little girl version of you. You almost like, haven’t ch you almost haven’t ch How old are you now?

Garrette Glinton (14:47):

Uh, crap. 41.

Sevan Matossian (14:49):

Okay. So you almost haven’t changed. You’re just, you just got taller.

Garrette Glinton (14:52):


Sevan Matossian (14:54):

God. And those pictures, it, it looked like you had red hair too. Or at least I guess maybe blonde hair. I

Garrette Glinton (14:58):

Was very, very blonde. Okay. I was blonde as a kid.

Sevan Matossian (15:01):

Okay. Has anyone else ever accused you of having red hair? Besides me?

Garrette Glinton (15:05):

No. Just you <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (15:06):

Shit. Shit. Uh, I’ve been, I’ve had that debate with other, your, your son has red hair.

Garrette Glinton (15:13):

Yeah, he can go. He is like red blondish. Yeah. That, that she’s not as red as my wife. My my wife is white, straight ginger. But yeah,

Sevan Matossian (15:23):

She’s got great hair, red in there. You have a beautiful wife by the way. Congratulations.

Garrette Glinton (15:27):

Thank you. I know. I luck out.

Sevan Matossian (15:29):

So, um, you, you’re, you’re born, um, you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re living in Utica, you’re with your grandparents. And as you get old and let’s say, when do you start? Is there a point when you’re like, Hey, something’s different about me than the other kids? Like I have a different energy. I’m on a different wavelength. I’m, um, uh,

Garrette Glinton (15:47):

Um, something’s

Sevan Matossian (15:49):

Not gelling. I’m not connecting.

Garrette Glinton (15:52):

I know a lot of, uh, you know, a lot of the gay community will probably say that they knew when they were like five. I definitely did not know. I, I literally, I was just Did

Sevan Matossian (16:04):

You not know because you didn’t even think about it and you were five?

Garrette Glinton (16:07):

No, I was, yeah. Right. Yeah, no, it, my mother put me in brownies. I knew I hated that cuz I had to wear this stupid brown skirt and the <laugh> and I didn’t like that, but it, I wasn’t like, oh, I’m different cuz I don’t like the skirt. I just was like, I don’t like this crap. I wanna go do something else. Like, I want to go Right. Play with, I wanted to play with the boys. I lived in a cul-de-sac full of boys. They were all outside playing, you know, tackle football in the yard with no shoes on. You were to approve of that. And I like, I just wanted to be doing that. I just, we were playing king of the raft. We lived by a pond. There was a big dock in the pond. We would all go outside, wrestle on the dock who could throw each other off the dock. Like, I, I didn’t know anything. There was, there was nothing to know. We weren’t supposed to be figuring that out yet.

Sevan Matossian (16:53):

Right. So it sounds like a, it sounds like a healthy childhood. Those aren’t, those weren’t the things that you, that you, that were even in your, in your world mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, did, did anyone ever have, um, concern that you were, um, uh, that you shouldn’t be roughhousing with the boys? Or did the boys treat you any differently or? No,

Garrette Glinton (17:13):

I was bigger than all of them. They didn’t give a crap. Normally it was like, Hey Garrett, don’t hurt them. Right, right. I was like, right.

Sevan Matossian (17:21):

That’s how it, well that’s how it actually is with all my, my boys, all their, all their, the girls who come over to the house and all the girls they play with, like the eight, the eight year old girls that Avi plays with look like they’re a whole fucking head taller than ’em. Every single one. Yeah. And their head’s bigger and they’re, they’re huge compared to him.

Garrette Glinton (17:37):

<laugh> girls just grow. They grow faster, boys grow longer. Like you could, boys still grow into their twenties. Girls finish by like 15

Sevan Matossian (17:47):

And their dad’s only five. Five

Garrette Glinton (17:50):


Sevan Matossian (17:53):

And, and, um, and, and, and, and, and so you go to a public school, uh, kindergarten, uh, first grade, second grade, third grade, all the way up to, to through your senior year.

Garrette Glinton (18:02):

Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I went, uh, same school all the way. Same friends. Uh, yeah.

Sevan Matossian (18:08):

And, and what was, um, what was, uh, elementary school like? You, you go, you go to school. Who takes you to school? Your grandparents take you to school?

Garrette Glinton (18:17):

Uh, actually I lived really close to it so I could just walk to school. Um, but yeah, my mom would walk me every morning where there were a couple of older kids that lived near me that would kind of walk with me to school and then they would go to their school. But yeah, I, I got up every morning my mom, uh, cuz I told you, uh, my family owns the deli. So there’s apartments on

Sevan Matossian (18:39):

Top. Oh, that’s the deli with all the pictures? Yeah, with all the Latin gals. That, that’s all over your Instagram also. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I was wondering. I’m like, what is going on there? You, I mean those are your homies. I

Mattew Souza (18:48):

Sent that request through too.

Garrette Glinton (18:50):

I’m looking, I’m trying to see it. It, uh, let me close it out.

Mattew Souza (18:54):

It’ll come up as CrossFit Livermore. That’s when I’m signing into on my computer.

Garrette Glinton (18:58):

Okay. Um, but, uh, yeah, so here, thank you. My wife is gonna do it cuz she’s awesome. And I thank

Sevan Matossian (19:06):

You Col. Thank you Colleen. Thank

Mattew Souza (19:07):

You. Colleen

Garrette Glinton (19:08):

<laugh>. Um, but uh, yeah, so there’s apartments above the deli. So what happened was my grandparents kind of moved us upstairs. So like, uh, my mom and I lived above the deli so I could just kind of walk to school. Um, but yeah, every morning I’d get up, get myself up, uh, get run downstairs, get breakfast cuz we’re a big breakfast deli. And then, um, thanks, thanks. And uh, and then off to school and off to school, bag lunch, you know, the whole brown paper bag situation. It’s great.

Sevan Matossian (19:40):

And, and then how would you come home from school? Would you bring yourself home?

Garrette Glinton (19:44):

No, someone was always there to get me. Whether it was my grandpa or my mom or someone was it, it just were, it was so nice cuz all of my family worked in the deli. So like, anyone at any period of time could come get me. It was just who it was gonna be.

Sevan Matossian (19:59):

And, and did you ever, did you work at the deli as a little kid? Would you work to register or make sandwiches or did you just like

Garrette Glinton (20:04):

Oh yeah. Put newspapers together. Like that was, that was my thing was I would get up real early with my grandfather, go in, put newspapers together, like the New York Times and whatever. And then, uh, we would do that real quick and then run, go fishing and then come back and open the deli. It was super cool.

Sevan Matossian (20:24):

And, and I’m guessing that’s where you learned a lot of your social skills. Oh yeah. You, you, you weren’t adverse to people. I mean, it, it’s pretty obvious from your Instagram that you’re kind of, I I don’t wanna say the party wherever you go, but it’s very clear, you’re very affectionate and, and you have no problem, uh, you know, interacting with other humans.

Garrette Glinton (20:42):

Yeah, no. Oh, great. Yep. Nope, no problem.

Mattew Souza (20:45):

<laugh>, we’re in the archives now.

Garrette Glinton (20:49):


Sevan Matossian (20:50):

Yeah, there’s a lot of pictures with you and these ladies. It’s a, it’s, it’s pretty obvious that, uh, that’s your, uh, family.

Garrette Glinton (20:56):

They’ve worked in that deli for, uh, one of them has worked there since I was like 10. And the other ones that you see behind me, they’ve been there for at least 20 years, if not more.

Sevan Matossian (21:07):

And so you, so you do the, you and do you stay at in the same school like area? Um, all through, uh, elementary school, junior high, high school, it’s all the same people. Everyone just keeps switching to the same schools. Yeah.

Garrette Glinton (21:19):

And all the schools are in like, um, two mile radius of each other.

Sevan Matossian (21:24):

And so basically everything seems normal to you. When, when, when your parents are, uh, sep separated in early age and you don’t know the difference, your life doesn’t seem, it just seems normal. Okay. Yeah. Grandparents around.

Garrette Glinton (21:38):

Yeah. Very small school, I would say. Like, there was like three mixed kids in our school and all the teachers thought that we were related and I was like, nah, not every mixed kid has the same, like, there’s not one interracial couple out here. But other than that, like, no.

Sevan Matossian (21:54):

And um, and, and does every, does everyone know that you’re a girl?

Garrette Glinton (21:59):

Yeah. Everybody that has grown up with me or knew me like know, knew that I was a girl. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (22:04):

And, and when did, when did it start happening? You sent me a text the other day that you were in the girls’ bathroom and some, can you tell that story about what happened the other day? That one you told

Garrette Glinton (22:11):

Me, oh, have mercy. So I was in a, um, like the Applebee’s bathroom cuz we go once a week just as a family for fun. And so I was like, uh, I have my period, I gotta go to the girls’ bathroom. It’s just, I, I can’t. So I was like, I went into the girls’ bathroom washing my hands, all done about to come out. This old, uh, not, I can’t even say older cuz I’m 40. Um, but this like 50 year old lady, whatever comes walking in and I mean, when I tell you that her soul left her body when she saw me in the bathroom, <laugh>, it left her body like she was pale as crap it was. And I was like, ugh. And she was

Sevan Matossian (22:52):

So, you know, right away you recognize

Garrette Glinton (22:54):

I already know. Yeah. I already know. Uh, like, and so I was prepared. I had my hand in my pocket. I was like, I was ready to go. I was like, I know what you’re gonna say, lady say it. And she was like, do you know which bathroom you’re in? This is the lady’s bathroom. And I was like, so you’re either assuming I can’t read <laugh> or I’m just stupid. Like what? So I pulled a tampon outta my pocket, put it in her hand and left. And like, but then I realized that was my only tampon. So I went back and got it <laugh>. So I was like, fuck, I can’t go through the rest of the day like this. Like

Sevan Matossian (23:25):

What did she say? God, it would’ve been great if you could have given her a used one, right? <laugh>? Um,

Garrette Glinton (23:30):

I was already done. Like,

Sevan Matossian (23:33):

Um, um, did she say anything to you? Did she say sorry to you? Nope. Um, was she sitting next to you close in the restaurant?

Garrette Glinton (23:42):

Uh, no. No. They were, we always sit like in that family section and she was like in the bar area.

Sevan Matossian (23:49):

And, and, and when you go back, is that the kind of thing you share with your family or it happens so often it’s like, like do you share that with

Garrette Glinton (23:54):

Colleen? It happens so often. It’s, it’s been happening since I was my full height basically at like 12 mm-hmm. <affirmative> and my full size. Like I was at least Yeah. Right. I might have had an inch to go but ev after that, I remember the first time it ever happened, I remember I was on a ferry going from to going to Connecticut, the Long Island sound ferry. And I went into the, I went into the girl’s bathroom with my grandmother and some lady lost her crap on me cuz I had a hat on and I’m six feet tall and my grandmother lost her shit on this woman. She was like, how dare like if you ever wanna see a old lady go nuts, then my grandma went nuts. It was like, you know, protecting your cub or whatever. But

Sevan Matossian (24:38):

Yeah. So that was at 12. How old were you when you when that ferry incident happened? The first one I

Garrette Glinton (24:42):

Was about 12. I was traveling basketball team

Sevan Matossian (24:46):

And, um, had you, and that was the very first time you heard it? Oh, someone mistook me my sense. Yeah,

Garrette Glinton (24:50):

That was, yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Sevan Matossian (24:52):

It’s interesting because, um, I have a sister and people always, when we were together, it wasn’t uncommon that people thought maybe we were twins. I was often mistaken as a girl until I was probably nine. Oh. And then it stopped. But yours was the inverse of that. Yeah. At nine you were, you passed as a girl and then at 12

Garrette Glinton (25:12):

It was like, it was over.

Sevan Matossian (25:14):

Did you have your hair like this at 12?

Garrette Glinton (25:16):

No, my hair was actually really long and curly. Like, I had like all my, like it was just very, very long and curly.

Sevan Matossian (25:23):

But it may have been the basketball clothing also.

Garrette Glinton (25:25):

Oh yeah. And I, I loved hats. Like I, that was back in the day with like the big starter jackets where you had the North Carolina starter jacket and the hat.

Sevan Matossian (25:34):

Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah, I forgot about that. The starter

Mattew Souza (25:36):

Jacket. The new air cap. The new

Garrette Glinton (25:38):

Air cap. Yeah. Man, they’re right.

Sevan Matossian (25:40):

<laugh> weren’t there starter like actual shops that said starter and they would be like in malls and stuff. Yeah. Yep.

Garrette Glinton (25:45):


Sevan Matossian (25:46):

If they still have

Garrette Glinton (25:47):

Those. I had my Michael Jordan, North Carolina starter jacket on the matching hat. And I know I, I’m aware why it happens. I just was like, as a kid you’re like, crap. No, I’m a girl. Like, stop calling me sir. Stop calling me like, I’m a girl. I have ovaries. They work

Sevan Matossian (26:06):

<laugh>. Yeah. What’s crazy is when I look at your face, you’re a pretty girl. Like you have, you have, you have girl features, your, I don’t, I guess it’s maybe your eyes and your nose and your teeth and your ears. I mean you, it’s a, it’s, um, I could see being confused by clothes, but just your face, you have a, I mean you have a girl’s face,

Garrette Glinton (26:25):

People that know me see it, but people who have never met me or see me once a day or whatever, they just, it’s just easier to be like, Hey sir.

Sevan Matossian (26:34):

And, and you work out in girls’ clothes? I see work in, in your Instagram? No, I don’t. You don’t. I see you in sports bras or I see, oh that’s, that’s

Garrette Glinton (26:43):

I’ll take my shirt off and just have a sports bra on. But that, the one where you see me in girls’ clothes is cuz I lost a workout to my wife and the penalty was I had to go in her clothes to the gym. <laugh> <laugh>. That’s

Sevan Matossian (26:56):

Awesome. And, but, and, and, and when you go to the, and when you go to the beach, there’s pictures of you in bikinis and stuff. You, you wear girls clothes?

Garrette Glinton (27:02):

Yeah, I did that as kind of defiance,

Sevan Matossian (27:05):

<laugh>. Oh, okay. I was

Garrette Glinton (27:06):


Sevan Matossian (27:07):

<laugh> the lesbian defiance. I’m gonna wear girls clothes. Y’all can eat a dick, dick,

Garrette Glinton (27:14):

All of the dicks.

Sevan Matossian (27:15):

I’m, so, I’m, I’m still learning. I’m so learning. Um, who are, um, I’m gonna share a picture here real quick. Who are um, who, who are these guys right here? Who are these two, two gentlemen.

Garrette Glinton (27:33):

Oh, they’re both my uncles.

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

Okay. Or one of those. Uncle Ted.

Garrette Glinton (27:37):

Yeah, the one with the sweater on is Uncle Ted. He is, uh, the oldest brother and then Tom in the, in the Mets jersey. He is the one that, he and I do the deli together.

Sevan Matossian (27:49):

Okay. So, um, go, going back, um, you’re, you’re 6, 7, 8 years old at, at, at any time during that first, second, third grade, I, is there anything now happening to you? Any, any perspective change? Any like, these people don’t like me or these people like me or I’m the oddball out or nothing?

Garrette Glinton (28:11):

No, I still had all my dude friends. We, that was like the wrestling buddy ears. We all had wrestling buddies and we would do the Hulk Hogans, all that kind of stuff there. No, there was nothing, nothing weird. No one’s

Sevan Matossian (28:26):

Do. Do you remember the first time you were introduced to the idea of, of, uh, of lesbian versus strait?

Garrette Glinton (28:34):

Um, God, I I was in middle school probably like seventh, eighth grade, maybe eighth grade. But I wasn’t introduced to it. Like, it just kind of organically happened.

Sevan Matossian (28:49):

Like you saw it on a TV show or something and you’re like, no, maybe that’s me. No,

Garrette Glinton (28:52):

No, no. I, well I used, I will say this, like, I realized that I really liked Zena and her little blonde friend a little too much more than I probably, they were just like my heroes. I kind of liked them a little more than I should have liked them. Who?

Sevan Matossian (29:06):

Who’s, who’s Dina?

Garrette Glinton (29:08):


Sevan Matossian (29:08):

Warrior. Princess. Princess. Oh, okay. Okay. So, so, so, okay. So you meaning like you wanted them to sleep over. Like, I remember I wanted my kindergarten teacher to come home and bathe me. Yeah. I didn’t know why, but I, but it was like, it was like a goal of mine.

Garrette Glinton (29:22):

Well I definitely wanted to be Zena and I wanted to date the little blonde girl that was on the show.

Sevan Matossian (29:28):

Okay. Okay. <laugh>. But, but that could still, but that could still be nothing, right? Yeah,

Garrette Glinton (29:34):

No, it wasn’t. I just realized that, I was just realizing that I like them way more than like it was just a good show. Like I literally was the member of vhs. I would record the episodes. I had like all of the seasons on those VHS tapes cuz I would sit there and record it

Sevan Matossian (29:53):

And, and and you could see yourself joining the crew. You’re like, Hey, you should, what about a third person?

Garrette Glinton (29:57):

Yeah, I absolutely wanna go run through the jungle and shit.

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