#703 – Thomas Delauer

Thomas DeLauer (00:00):

Do you like split time down there?

Sevan Matossian (00:01):

You live? No. Sponsor. Ah, sponsor, uh, California Hormones is one of my sponsors, and so they, um, they have a, the owner of California Hormones has a house down here right on the beach. And, uh, she lets me jump in as much and as long as I want. And I am beyond, yeah. Grateful. I am like,

Thomas DeLauer (00:21):


Sevan Matossian (00:22):

Yeah, right back there. Oh no, that’s the trash back there. I forgot what’s wrong on there. <laugh> over there. <laugh>. I’m like, can’t you see the beach behind me? I’m like, no, that’s there at the trash

Thomas DeLauer (00:32):

<laugh>. That’s Well dude, you’re you’re missing a crazy ass storm up here.

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

Oh, that’s what I heard, dude.

Thomas DeLauer (00:37):

It’s pretty nuts. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (00:39):

Uh, uh, you are, are you in, um, Carmel now? Monterey,

Thomas DeLauer (00:43):

I mean, just for, just till tomorrow, then I’m down south tomorrow. I’m down in Thousand Oaks tomorrow for like, the next couple of months.

Sevan Matossian (00:48):

Um, I really appreciate you doing this. I know this was, uh, pulled together last minute. I know we have been, um, you are a traveling, uh, man, and you are a crazy prolific creative. And so, uh, I knew that if I was ever to land you, uh, it was going to have to be like, you wanna do it now? And you’d be like, <laugh> <laugh>.

Thomas DeLauer (01:12):

Yeah. Kind of the way it

Sevan Matossian (01:13):

Is. And I respect it. I’m cool with it. I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m cool with it. Um, I titled the video King of Keto. What do you think? What do you think?

Thomas DeLauer (01:22):

Sure. That’ll piss some people off. That’s good <laugh>. Perfect <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (01:27):

It’s not, it’s not meant to, um, piss anyone off. You know what’s funny? So for, for those of you who don’t, you have, you have to know, um, uh, e e everyone who’s in the fitness and nutrition space knows who Thomas, uh, DeLauer is. He has an amazing YouTube station. It’s an amazing resource. Um, and it’s an amazing resource because he takes a lot of complex subjects and even not so complex subjects. And he, and he makes them palatable for the layman, but he also will start at a place that’s usually a little bit more sophisticated than us average Joes can handle. So we’re also learning stuff and uh, and it’s a, it’s a massive library. How many videos is it? I went back to your first video seven years ago, and I’m guessing you’ve cold the herd a little bit also.

Thomas DeLauer (02:10):

Yeah, I I think it’s a couple thousand videos on there now. I mean, it’s like, I, I release one to two per day, so it’s, uh, and it’s full production value, man. I mean, it’s not like I’m just popping that shit up with an iPhone. I mean, I’ve got a full production team and it’s, uh, we make it happen. I just, dude, I’ve never been that good at like fucking anything. I just know how to work hard and do a lot of shit. So it’s, uh, when it comes down to <laugh> to that, I’m just like, okay. When I started my channel, it was like, okay, like I may not be the smart, I don’t have a PhD behind my name, but one thing’s for sure is I can create a shitload of content and I’m just gonna keep going cuz I love this stuff. And it was like, um, so yeah, it’s a, it’s a lot of content. It can be a lot for people. Uh, so I try to tell people, you know, use it as a resource, use it as sort of a, you know, don’t follow, like what I say as a coaching system, if you do, you’re gonna go crazy because it’s, it’s designed to have practical application for all kinds of different things. And like, I’m constantly my own n of one experiment on different shit that I’m doing. So I

Sevan Matossian (03:10):

Try to, another fantastic thing, by the way. Yes. You experiment on yourself and you share your experiments, which are cool. Today’s

Thomas DeLauer (03:15):

Video actually literally that one that says, I got weak. The, I ate a hundred grams of carbs daily. Like that is a, uh, that is my experience on, it’s a little bit of a plan word. I mean obviously you have to have an element of click bait to a certain degree, but it’s, uh,

Sevan Matossian (03:28):

Your body does that. Don’t worry. You don’t need anything else

Thomas DeLauer (03:31):

<laugh>. That’s true, I guess. Yeah. So I mean, messing around with that, it’s like, uh, always a level of self experimentation and sort of reverse engineering what happened. And, um, yeah. And then I, you know, I try to put a fair bit of content out there for a lot of my audience is metabolically deranged, right? People that are very, that are having metabolic issues. And so it’s, even though people look at me and they think, oh, this is gonna be a fitness channel. I mean, it’s really geared towards the average person that is like, maybe a little more into like, understanding what’s happening in their body. So they’re already gonna be possibly a little bit more of an educated audience just because they’re like people that are, Hey, I wanna know the why, like why is something happening in my body? Uh, they don’t just want the hey, gimme the, gimme the answers and, and go away. Like talk’s not for me. I’m not that style. I want to explain to people that wanna learn.

Sevan Matossian (04:22):

But that being said, it’s quick. Like you can go on there if like, I mean, he’s, you have everything on there. I i I get up in the middle of the night and pee answer questions. What do you think about caffeine? There’s questions. I have autoimmune disease. You have questions. Hey, I want to put on mass. What’s the fast way to do it? I have, I have answers. Um, is it, can I do keto and car? Both. Okay. Go back and forth. I mean, you have, it is a full library. It’s a, it’s a, it’s a, it, it’s uh, it’s comprehensive. No, no one should get confused and listen to him if he’s selling himself short. And I wanna tell you something else. He’s not trapped in the vernacular or the semantics of the PhD, but he has all of their knowledge and can bring it to you. And so it’s, um, it’s really good.

Thomas DeLauer (05:03):

I appreciate it. Appreciate that man. Yeah, really that’s the highest form of compliment that I could have. Cause like, I’m not trying to, I’m not trying to be a PhD. I’m not trying to be a doctor. I’m not trying to be an expert. I am, I really am just good at translating complex subject matter. Um, and it’s only because I’m passionate about it. Forgot if I wasn’t into it myself and wasn’t experimenting this shit on my own, like it would just be lip service and the channel wouldn’t grow because the passion wouldn’t shine through. You know, this is just it. It’s fun.

Sevan Matossian (05:27):

Um, how old are you?

Thomas DeLauer (05:28):


Sevan Matossian (05:30):

God. Oh my God. 34. Did you, that’s when I found CrossFit when I was 34.

Thomas DeLauer (05:34):

Oh my God. So there’s hope for me. 30

Sevan Matossian (05:37):

<laugh>. You’re, you’ve, you’ve surpassed hope. You are, you are the, you are the hope. And, and, uh, where were you born?

Thomas DeLauer (05:44):

Gotta remember I was uhs Well, born in Santa Rosa. I grew up in Sonoma, up in the North Bay.

Sevan Matossian (05:50):

Okay. Oh shit. So you’re, you’re a kind of a, I mean, I, I was a little more Bay Area. I was born in Oakland, California, but So you’re home. Yeah. You, you are, you’re, you haven’t wandered far?

Thomas DeLauer (05:59):

Nah, no. Well, I mean, I’ve been all over the place. I lived in Texas for a while. Lived in southern California, lived in Tahoe, uh, before, and I still, I still live part of the time in Tahoe now. Um, so I’ve kind of bounced around all over the place. But yeah, my, my dad’s uh, our family business was in Oakland, 13th and Broadway growing up. Uh oh. So I spent a, spent a lot of time there.

Sevan Matossian (06:18):

No, no. What was the family business? This is,

Thomas DeLauer (06:20):

It’s called Dauer Super newsstand. It was the, it was like a large, it’s still there. It’s like a really, it was the, the world’s largest newsstand. So it was, uh, newspapers, books, magazines from all over the world. They’d get ’em like the next day. So the reason it was such a big spot is because, not because it was a newsstand, but because it was the only place in the country that would get newspapers and magazines from all over the world the next day after they were released. So it ended up becoming sort of a cultural melting pot in Oakland where it would just bring like everyone from Palestine, from Nigeria and everything together because this is where they could read their daily news, uh, for what was going on back home. So it was a really cool thing. So I grew up in like a very like melting pot, culturally diverse, uh, like just background. Right. So it’s kind of interesting cause I kind of grew up with media and publishing and understanding how it worked. Um, it’s kind of funny how I kind of ended up in that. Anyway.

Sevan Matossian (07:12):

Sh show me, show me the front. I wanna see the place. I know, I know that area very, very, very well. There was a cap wills down there, it may have been after your time. Do you remember the pour capos?

Thomas DeLauer (07:21):

Yeah, it was, and it was, yeah, right by Jacqueline and Square, like right across the street from where the Golden State Warriors like head office was. Um,

Sevan Matossian (07:28):

What year were you born?

Thomas DeLauer (07:29):


Sevan Matossian (07:30):

Oh, so you missed the, the earthquake. The earthquake, yeah. Yeah,

Thomas DeLauer (07:34):

Yeah. Yeah. It burnt, uh, the new stand burnt down in 89 and rebuilt it. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (07:39):

No shit. Okay. Yeah, because I remember that area got crushed. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah. Wow. Fantastic. Okay, so, um, your dad commuted there from Santa Rosa

Thomas DeLauer (07:51):

From Sonoma, so it was a little under an hour. Yeah, it was a grind.

Sevan Matossian (07:54):

And did you work there as a kid? Yeah.

Thomas DeLauer (07:56):

Yeah. He used to, he, he’s a little child labor for sure.

Sevan Matossian (08:00):

<laugh>. Yeah, of course, of course. And, and, um, and, uh, your, your, your mom and you raised with your mom and your dad or your dad just raised you exclusively

Thomas DeLauer (08:07):

Or? No, it was my, my mom and my dad. My, uh, parents divorced when I was, uh, a little before 13. Um, wasn’t the prettiest situation. Um, and then I chose to live with my mom cuz I, I could, um, you know, there’s a lot that I can say there, but I, I just out of respect for my mom, I, I kinda won’t go there, but it was like, you know, I, I basically kind of raised myself after 13. Um, so it was, it was a lot of, uh, my mom was kind of having some hard times, so I ended up going into kind of homeschooling after 13 or independent study and was working full-time as well. So it was like, cuz I really just needed to kind of help out. So kind of grew up pretty darn quick. But other than that, like before that my childhood was, it was normal as far as a family dynamics concerned, but it was very, very, very different. Otherwise, like, the things we did were very, very, very different. My mom would just like, just random little things that you wouldn’t think are much, but my mom would just come pull me outta school and be like, eh, you’re not gonna go to school today. Like, we’re gonna go run a marathon or something. Like, you know, it’s

Sevan Matossian (09:10):

Just like, oh, shit like that. You mean like at 10, even like third grade, I

Thomas DeLauer (09:13):

Ran my first marathon when I was 11. Uh, but they don’t usually conduct marathons on school days, but it was like that kind of stuff, right? It was like, Hey, I wanna go hiking today. We should go hike out to the coast, wanna go to point raise, I’m gonna pull you and your sister outta school. Whereas all the other kids are like, what the heck? You know, Thomas was, you know, I’m sick, okay, I gotta go home, you know, but it’s, uh, really, my mom was just like, no, like, like, kind of to a certain degree she was like, fuck school. Like, you’re gonna learn more in the real world.

Sevan Matossian (09:35):

Was she a hippie? Is your mom a hippie? Oh, oh

Thomas DeLauer (09:37):

God. She was a hippie.

Sevan Matossian (09:38):


Thomas DeLauer (09:38):

Yeah. Hardcore hippie. And she, she kind, yeah, she might, she might have denied it when I was a kid and if, if somehow this circles around and she finds it, she’ll probably get pissed off at me. But <laugh>, um, she’s I think a hippy in a cool way. Like she was totally, totally. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (09:50):

Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. It was a cool thing to be back then, especially in that area. How old were you when you did the dipsy? Do you remember that? Oh

Thomas DeLauer (09:56):

Shit, man. I, uh,

Sevan Matossian (09:57):

Like I did it when I was 35. Yeah.

Thomas DeLauer (10:00):


Sevan Matossian (10:00):

You do it when you were like seven? No,

Thomas DeLauer (10:02):

I didn’t do

Sevan Matossian (10:03):

The, I didn’t do the dip and I walked it

Mattew Souza (10:05):


Thomas DeLauer (10:05):

I never, I did, I did the double dipsy, but I think I was like, I think I was like 14 I think. Like I didn’t do the dip,

Sevan Matossian (10:10):

The doubles. You walked there and back, right. <laugh>, that’s what I did. Right? Yeah. Isn’t

Thomas DeLauer (10:14):

That double up and up and over? Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, but I mean, I used to, it was a training run for me all the time, but the actual, formal race, I think I didn’t do until I was like 14 or 15. But, um, that was like well into my CrossCountry career. Um, but other than that, like I ran my first 10 K when I was five. Um, so it was always, I was always a runner. Like it was just like, I still am, like I default to, if people always ask me, I was just, uh, hanging out with Mark Bell this week. I was filming with, uh, with Derek more plate, more dates, and uh

Sevan Matossian (10:41):

Oh, where was that at? Where did you film with him at? In Sacramento. Is he up there? Derek

Thomas DeLauer (10:45):

Is, uh, mark is Derek’s. Derek’s in, uh, Canada. He’s up in Vancouver.

Sevan Matossian (10:49):

Oh. So he just happened to be down there. So you went up there and like he

Thomas DeLauer (10:52):

Had a little media tour, media tour after the, uh, liver king thing. Uh, so it was like, we were talking about that with Mark. We were like, uh, mark was like, Hey, well, you know, cause Mark’s into running right now. If you guys, you know, mark Mark’s an interesting cat. Like honestly, people have what they have to say about him, but he’s

Sevan Matossian (11:07):

Probably one I love him. He’s,

Thomas DeLauer (11:08):

I, him of those people, probably one of my

Sevan Matossian (11:09):

Closest. I love him.

Thomas DeLauer (11:11):

Yeah. He’s like, would you rather lift or would you rather run? If you had to pick one and it was run, I would rather run. I mean, I think in this world you have runners and you have lifters, and I’m a runner that became a lifter. And then there’s lifters that become runners. Um, but, you know, it is what it is.

Sevan Matossian (11:25):

Um, I wanna, I wanna go back to the, the dipsy, but uh, before when I want to ask you this about running and lifting, it’s all, it’s all where, was that your stomach? I just heard, or is that SU’s stomach? I heard someone’s stomach <laugh>.

Thomas DeLauer (11:37):

You might have been like this, like,

Sevan Matossian (11:39):

Oh, I heard a stomach

Mattew Souza (11:42):

<laugh>. You snapped around

Sevan Matossian (11:43):

Quick. Uh, it, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s it’s mental health stuff, not in the traditional term that it’s used today, like is in a, uh, uh, like you have mental health issues, but it’s the activity you like is what gives you like, sort of the peace of mind, right? Oh, a hundred percent. So, so you like running because of the, the sort of the, it’s, it’s, it’s more than physical. It’s the state it puts you in, right? Where someone who lifts, they like the state that that puts them in, I’m guessing, right?

Thomas DeLauer (12:07):

Yeah, it’s the state. And if you want to go deep, I mean, you know me enough to know that I’m pretty psychoanalytic with this stuff. I feel like when I was a kid, running is how I got the attention of my mother running is how I got my love, right? So for me, when I’m not able to run, and it happens with injuries like L four, L five, uh, L five, s one, ruptured discs. So it’s, it’s like, yeah, it takes a little bit of, you know, willpower sometimes getting myself in the mood to run, but I feel like if I’m not running, I’m, I’m not getting the satisfaction. You know? It’s like that was how I earned love. Not that my mom didn’t love me, but that’s like, that was the love language was going out and running and, right. So if I’m not running, I feel like I’m really missing a fundamental part of who I am and what gets me validation.


So even though my mom and I don’t really talk much now, uh, pretty much at all, it’s just, it’s this interesting situation where it’s like, I don’t feel like I’m earning love if I’m not running. So even when I am lifting and doing all this, I could be busting my ass getting killer workouts. But there’s something fundamentally just wrong <laugh> that is saying, if you’re not running, it’s not a workout. If you’re not running, it’s not, you’re not satisfying this itch that needs to be scratched. And I’m well aware of that. So for me, it’s more than just I get this meditative effect. I get this effect when I run. I get a high, I get endorphins, I get this, I get that. I sure I get that, but it’s like deeply rooted. Um, and I’m well aware that if I lose the ability to run that I, I better get my shit together and figure that out. But in the meantime, while I can run, I’ll enjoy it and I’ll understand it for what it’s mm-hmm.

Sevan Matossian (13:42):

<affirmative>. And even though you know this, there’s no reason to cure yourself. I use that term loosely because you can leverage this pathology in order to stay healthy. It it, as long as it doesn’t get crazy where you become like so obsessed with running.

Thomas DeLauer (13:57):

Oh yeah. And it’s a, it’s a safe avenue for me, right? Like, it’s very addictive personality. Like, so I know that there’s a reason I don’t drink, I don’t touch the stuff at all, right? So it’s just, I know that if I went down that route might not be good. And the same kind of thing with running, like, I, I understand that I get addicted, I get obsessed and I’m well aware of it. And it’s one of those things that if it has to turn and I have to pivot to something else, it’s fine. But in the interim, I can leverage that. And it’s, I’m for a very colloquial way of putting it, it’s a good addiction. It’s a healthy addiction. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, as long as I don’t take it too far, um, and what I get out of it at this point is only positive. I’m not getting anything detrimental other than, yeah, maybe it’s a little concussive on the joints, maybe it’s a little too much sometimes, but it’s probably better than me. It sedentary.

Sevan Matossian (14:39):

Right? And I’ve heard you talk about your running, you, you can get, um, uh, you know, uh, what, in my terms, a bit competitive in the shorter distances, but you are also, you’ve talked about after 5, 6, 7, 7, 8 miles, you’ll slow down to a nine minute pace and chill.

Thomas DeLauer (14:53):

Yeah. I’m not, I’m not in it to go fast anymore, man. I think my, you know, my fastest half marathon time was a hair over, a hair over one 30. It was like not, I mean fast, but not that fast, right? Like I was never a, uh, if you ask Mark Cisson, this is funny. Mark Cisson will say, if you’re not running under a two and a half hour marathon, you’re not a runner. You’re a jocker. Wow.

Sevan Matossian (15:12):

Wow. <laugh>. Okay. Fair enough. You’re a jogger. Okay, fair enough. Ive statement. Fair

Thomas DeLauer (15:17):

Enough. No, I love, I love that about Mark Sisen. Like he’s, he’s got just this, uh, well deserved modest ego. A a a little bit of arrogance that obviously got him where he is and, but it’s, yeah, he told me, he’s like, you’re a job.

Sevan Matossian (15:30):

What? I know that name Mark Sisen. What book did you Yeah, he’s

Thomas DeLauer (15:33):

The, he’s the, uh, primal Blueprint. He, uh, yeah, he was like the Oh,

Sevan Matossian (15:37):

Oh yes.

Thomas DeLauer (15:38):

Oh, okay. He, um, yeah, he, he created Primal Kitchen, sold it to Kraft Heines, uh, you know, so all the salad dressings, you know, the ketchup, primal Kitchen is all him. He created that, uh, very inspiring guy. Like he, he was, uh, number seven in the world top marathoner at one point. But he, and then he was president of the, uh, world triathlon associate or organization, uh, due to a, due to his beast. And then he

Sevan Matossian (16:03):

Sold, where’s home?

Thomas DeLauer (16:05):

Uh, Miami. And then he sold the Kraft Heines for a hundred million back in I think 16.

Sevan Matossian (16:09):

Dude looks like a beast. It kind of looks like him right here with what? It’s, what Joe Biden would look like if he was yo

Thomas DeLauer (16:15):


Sevan Matossian (16:15):

Shit. Joe Biden on t r t. Holy shit. It is Joe on t r t. Wow. The abs. He’s just looking fantastic. Wow. <laugh>, that girl’s a little old for Joe Uncle Joe, but other than that, this guy looks great. Wow. Oh my goodness. Look at that back. Fat. What would the liver king say? I’m just joking, Brian. I’m just joking. Brian. I love my how old guy’s body’s beautiful. How old did you say he was?

Thomas DeLauer (16:38):

You know, I actually don’t know. Uh, he’s gotta be early sixties, mid sixties. I

Sevan Matossian (16:43):

Don’t know, dude. Is that, that’s about as good as you can look as a human being. Oh, absolutely. Look

Thomas DeLauer (16:48):

At him. He’s just impressive, man. He’s just a good dude. Like, and he’s all about, like, he’s so realistic with his approach on everything, like, you know, and what’s funny is

Sevan Matossian (16:57):

He, you met him, you interviewed

Thomas DeLauer (16:58):

Him. Oh yeah. He’s been a friend. Fine for a while. But the reason that I went out to film with him, cuz I just, I I fled to Miami to film with him because I’m like, dude, you, he out angled me in that

Sevan Matossian (17:07):

<laugh> <laugh>.

Thomas DeLauer (17:10):

All right. So I mean,

Sevan Matossian (17:13):

Awesome. But look how tight his shorts are too. His junk looks bigger than yours too. <laugh>.

Thomas DeLauer (17:17):

Yeah, he might have, I don’t know. Who knows? He, uh, he was kind of the godfather of paleo, obviously he didn’t create paleo, but he was really like the loud voice of it, of really that movement. And he, uh, and I’ve been seeing like, where is diet going? Okay, we’ve got all these crazy tribes that are not just pissed off at each other and it’s fucking hilarious. And I, I’m like, dude, watch this. Like, we’re gonna make a big circle right back to paleo. I think we’re heading there. I think that’s what’s happening. Like, we’re going animal base and then people are gonna be like, well, animal based plus fruit. Well, animal based, a little bit of nuts cuz it’s what we, our ancestors would have. Oh, you know, eventually it’s gonna be like, well just live fucking close to the earth. Well, okay. Okay then eventually it’s gonna be just don’t eat processed food. <laugh>. Okay, cool.

Sevan Matossian (17:56):

So why aren’t you supposed to eat? What’s wrong with processed meat? Why can’t I eat packaged Turkey?

Thomas DeLauer (18:01):

I eat packaged Turkey. I just l I have just, I just have rules for an ingredients in it. Right? Like I try to avoid, like try to avoid the nitrates. Nitrates. I try to avoid the sodium phosphate. Um, you know, I have indicators, right? Carin, if there’s, uh, if you look at it and there’s like potato starch added to the meat, it’s like, fuck you. Like I don’t want that. Right? But it’s, uh, so

Sevan Matossian (18:19):

I want the one that just says Turkey and then when I pull it out, it’s kind of like dry and stuff. Trader.

Thomas DeLauer (18:23):

Well, trader Trader Joe’s has a deli meat that’s like only Turkey. Uh, the Applegate farm stuff is

Sevan Matossian (18:28):

Perfectly Yes, the Apple gate. Okay.

Thomas DeLauer (18:29):

I don’t, I don’t understand, like I’ve, I caught shit for that because I was like traveling and I posted up what I was eating when I traveled and I was like, I ate like a half a pound of good quality Turkey. Like as deli meat. People are like, oh my gosh, I can’t believe you. Okay, so you want me to eat hotel eggs that have who knows what in them? <laugh>. Hey, like, so you’re gonna tell me that it would be cooler for me and it would satisfy like this to, I mean, yeah. So it’s, and then what’s that? There’s one that we sold at Costco, but I think I, I did so many videos about it at Costco that I think they have perpetually been sold out. So I’m pissed off. I should never mention brands in my videos that I actually personally like to eat because then everyone goes and buys

Sevan Matossian (19:09):

’em. And Thomas is being very humble. For those of you who haven’t been over to his YouTube station, he has over 3 million, um, uh, subscribers approaching three and a half million. So he’s, uh, he’s a needle mover. If he says buy the meat at Costco Blow. Bye. <laugh>. Okay. You can tell me what it is offline.

Thomas DeLauer (19:25):

No, it’s uh, I just can’t remember the name of it. Uh, right offhand. It’s like, uh, something, it’s not Holster Farms. Of course it’s like hill something. Uh, it, it’s just like the Turkey that they have there. And it’s literally just Turkey. It’s Turkey and rosemary. Cuz they use rosemary as a, they use rosemary as a preservative. So whenever you see something that has Rosemary in it, it’s not, and then they’re like, oh, it’s a Mediterranean flavor. That’s bullshit. It’s not Mediterranean flavor. They add rosemary in. Cuz it’s a way, it’s a preservative if you use rosemary, but

Sevan Matossian (19:51):

Oh, is it this?

Thomas DeLauer (19:53):

No. Lemme

Sevan Matossian (19:54):

See. So, so what about salami? Salami’s a no-no.

Thomas DeLauer (19:57):

Again, depends if it’s like crappy, like,

Sevan Matossian (20:01):

Columbus, Columbus, Columbus, Columbus. That one with like a pound of it and it’s just in the plastic wrapper and there’s just

Thomas DeLauer (20:07):

Trying to find it

Mattew Souza (20:08):

Has to do work with Columbus meat.

Sevan Matossian (20:11):

Yeah. CrossFit work.

Mattew Souza (20:12):

Yeah, I did warmups for the whole entire, uh, uh, plant.

Sevan Matossian (20:17):

Are they, are they based outta Livermore?

Mattew Souza (20:19):

No, they’re in, um, Hayward, like the far side, union city. More than that,

Sevan Matossian (20:24):

You’re starting to look really ethnic as your hair gets longer. Suza

Mattew Souza (20:27):


Sevan Matossian (20:28):

Yeah, you look like one of the, you look like the kid on the monsters who grew up a little

Mattew Souza (20:31):

Bit. Well, I shaved from this morning show <laugh> kid from the Monsters

Thomas DeLauer (20:36):

<laugh>. Oh my gosh.

Mattew Souza (20:37):

He’s got that

Sevan Matossian (20:38):

<laugh>. So Thomas, you’re,

Thomas DeLauer (20:40):

I think it’s, oh, it’s, it’s a company called Originals, like de uh, deets and Watson I think is like where, where they had at, at, at at Costco. And it was, if you get, it’s like the only deli meat. It’s like says originals. Um, like

Sevan Matossian (20:54):

You, so basically if it’s basically you’re saying that you think it’s okay to eat that stuff every day? No, sorry to be that guy. I

Thomas DeLauer (21:01):

Don’t know. Yeah, I guess, I guess it’d be fine. Like this stuff, like literally Okay, I’m pulling it up

Sevan Matossian (21:05):

Like it just says Turkey and salt on it and that’s it. Yeah.

Thomas DeLauer (21:08):

Literally. So yes. Like, okay, well, is it processed? What isn’t processed? So my definition of process, I don’t have an actual definition, but I’ll give you the explanation, is like, when it has a bunch of freaking Franken food crap, it like, when it’s, you know, like everything nowadays is like processed. Unless you’re going out and picking a damn apple off a tree that you harvested from seed, it’s probably got a level of harvesting to it. Like even the organic apples, they’ll sometimes coat in like the, the, you know, peel with wax, right? It’s like there’s processing. So processed foods aren’t really a problem. It’s when they’re processed to become hyper palatable like crazy. You know, just

Sevan Matossian (21:44):

Where ultra processed. Yeah.

Thomas DeLauer (21:45):

Or I don’t even know. I mean, I just, just, whenever it’s made to be hyper palatable, like, because processed foods are designed to get you to eat more, but then there’s like process where it’s like this is just reasonable processing. Like when you kill a bore or something out on a ranch and you take it to quote unquote processing, it’s still called processing, so it’s technically processed, right? So, okay,

Sevan Matossian (22:05):

So maybe I’m using the wrong word. Well, gotta look for fewer ingredients then if you’re, if you’re, if you, if you’re gonna eat out of a plastic bag, make sure it just is. It says Turkey and like salt. There’s not a bunch of words like that that you don’t know what they are. Or, or this word nitrates.

Thomas DeLauer (22:18):

Agreed. Well, I mean, even nitrate, uh, there’s nuance there, right? This is, this is where my channel gets frustrating for people is because I

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

Try to, I already wanna kill myself. Yeah.

Thomas DeLauer (22:26):

I try to give like thoughtful acknowledgement to, to like the proper nuance, right? And it’s in an effort to, like, as my channel’s grown, I’m like, I, okay, I’ve got a lot of responsibility to not come across one-sided on this and really look at both sides, but sometimes that paralyzes people. So sometimes I’m like, I should just go back to being a fucking charlatan and just like

Sevan Matossian (22:44):

<laugh>, I’m sensitive to that word these days. I know

Thomas DeLauer (22:47):

No trigger. And it’s, it’s overused. It really is. It’s like, it’s like, it’s like

Sevan Matossian (22:51):

Misinformation. It’s the only bad part about Derek’s video, the charlatan, in my opinion. I think I didn’t like that

Thomas DeLauer (22:57):

Part. That was very, uh, defamatory. Like I, I feel like that was, I was, I was actually expecting I, this was gospel truth. I was expecting my image to pop up when he was talking charlatans and he was like going through the list because, because of my stance as a proponent, not even a dogmatic pusher, but a proponent of intermittent fasting and a proponent of a lower carb diet. There’s count, I’m called a charlatan every day. So I’m like, we have like an overuse of that word that is nonsense. Like, it’s just, if someone disagrees with your way of thinking, you’re a charlatan. If someone has sponsors, you’re a grifter. It’s like, this is bullshit. Like, so I’m being punished because I’m a good business person. A like, wow, when I was growing up, people that had brands knocking on your door, that meant you were a good person to be in bed with.


Like, what the hell? So like, I don’t understand that. Like, how many athletes want to have sponsors? Like, just because I’m in a media position, right? And I’m not gonna like, turn this on me and like, make it me victim. But please, point, point is, is that the charlatan thing? Like, I agree that is not cool. Like it’s, uh, but, and not even necessarily with Derek’s video, it’s just, just in general like the just the, or just if something you don’t agree with, you call it misinformation. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like what? Like that’s just, we just can call misinformation on something we don’t agree with. Someone said, right. Someone said it on like my cold plunge reel that I posted, say I just deleted the comment. I’m like, fuck this. Like, like this is misinformation because it’s me getting in a cold tub, like with no scientific, like nothing. Just me getting in the fucking cold tub. Like this is misinformation. What the hell? Like what are we doing

Sevan Matossian (24:32):

<laugh>? Yeah, that’s good. I I I also think that there’s this, that

Thomas DeLauer (24:38):

You should just title this video to Thomas as a charlatan, Thomas del Allowers, a charlottean

Sevan Matossian (24:46):

Without, without context relativity and perspective. Uh, so many in, in recognizing the spirit in which things come out of, um, you know, I, I could tell you that running’s good for you and there’s a thousand people who could jump down my throat saying no, it leads to injury. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it’s like, well, uh, anytime you take any, you try to change your, um, you know, your metabolic health, you’re gonna have to take risks for orthopedic calamity and, and, and like they don’t people Yeah, I do. I do, I do give Derek a pass for making that video on the liver king. I I don’t give a lot of people a pass for how they attacked him because I think that that’s what he does. Right? Yeah. He’s not an ambulance chaser. Right. That’s his niche. I I look around. Did he ever do a natty or Knot on you? Oh

Thomas DeLauer (25:28):

Yeah. Two years ago. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (25:29):

Had you choose your pass? Yep. Is that like a rite of passage or something? <laugh> like when you made it, were you insulted? Were you insulted?

Thomas DeLauer (25:37):

Well, I had a, I had a, well no, no, no, I wasn’t because, uh, I asked for it because I, I posted a video on my blood work about it was just talking about cholesterol on my channel. Like it was people, you know, the keto thing? Oh, cholesterol is, I’m like, let me show you my cholesterol’s under like one 50. Like, so it was a video. Like I went over my blood work to show my cholesterol and we like scrolled through in my video on my channel testosterone. My total testosterone was like three 80 on the low end, right? I leaned, so I’m not surprising my testosterone’s low. Um, but it was like, it wasn’t a hormone panel. So there was testosterone, a free free test and a total test. And uh, I made a passing comment on that. I asked for it. I was like, and you can see my testosterone’s not that high.


Okay then blah, blah, blah. But it wasn’t designed to be a nat or not discussion. So I didn’t have lutin hormone follicle stimulating hormone, I G F gh all this stuff. <laugh>. So Derek did a video about me right there being like, this guy’s full of shit because look at he didn’t do this. And I, within one day or less than a day, I contacted him and I was like, Derek, like I’m gonna go to the lab tomorrow like, and I will give you login credentials to my medical portal. And he was like, no way bro. And I was like, a hundred percent. So he is like, cool, do it. So two days later we hopped on live and that video’s live and we went over my blood work and he was like, I’ll be damned. He’s like, yeah, you’re fucking natty and uh, <laugh>,

Sevan Matossian (26:49):

What a weird world we live in. Yeah. <laugh>. So what a fucking weird world we live in, dude.

Thomas DeLauer (26:54):

So what’s weird is that, so what’s funny is that

Sevan Matossian (26:56):

You guys are gay for sure. I wanna tell you that I’m gonna do gay or not and I’m gonna do Derek and, and Thomas or gay for sure. I’m wanna un officiate your wedding. Tell your wife, I’m sorry, I had to come out with this, geez Louise

Thomas DeLauer (27:08):

<laugh>. So I, so I knew that I was gonna be filming with Derek on Thursday. So on Monday morning I didn’t tell anyone. I went out and I got like $700 worth of lab work done. And uh, I was like, I’m just gonna have this shit in my pocket because if it comes up, um, I ended up not getting the results until Friday morning after I filmed with Derek. But I texted him to immediately, I’ve got him like literally like right here again, testosterone level. Even actually even lower than last year. I guess I’m getting LaMer. Um, you know, so it’s like, I’m like a three 50.

Sevan Matossian (27:36):

You’re getting old.

Thomas DeLauer (27:37):

Yeah, I’m at like, so I mean I’ll just read it to you got 3 51 last year was 3 81 the same time of year reference range 2 64 to nine 16, uh, free testosterone, 7.2 on the low end. Uh, last year was 8.5. Uh, let’s see, scrolling down to estradiol was practically non-existent. So I have practically no estrogen, which is a result of meeting so lean, so I gotta do something about that. Uh, and so much for all the shit when people say, oh Thomas, how dare you say that Fiber’s good or you eat flax, flax is estrogen. Well it doesn’t look like that on my blood work. Uh, igf um, IGF was two 70, uh, last year it was 2 24 on a scale of 95 to two 90. So I’m just on the high end of normal there. Yeah, it is like, um, and then the

Sevan Matossian (28:18):

Lt, this is recently when you went out to visit him, you had this in your pocket. This is Monday.

Thomas DeLauer (28:22):

Like Monday. So, and then my lutin hormone was 3.4 last year was 2.6 follicle stimulating hormone. 4.1 last year was 4.1 as well. So is

Sevan Matossian (28:31):

That the first time you met him? Sorry, sorry, go ahead. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, so I dunno what any of the stuff you’re

Thomas DeLauer (28:34):

Saying, LT hormone and follicle stimulating hormone are the, you know, hypothalamic pituitary adrenal, uh, gona axis. So what sins from your hypothalamus essentially to your pituitary to your balls? So if I was on gear and I just got off of it, my LH and f SSH would be totally messed up. They’d be all outta whack. So, uh, the fact that those are like in a normal range and they were also a normal range last year and a normal range two years ago. And I did the video with Derek. It’s just, it’s a fucked up world that like, I feel like I need to share medical information to. Like

Sevan Matossian (29:03):

That’s why you guys are boyfriend and boyfriend. Yeah. You guys are dating. Let tell you who’s seen my medical information. <laugh>. It’s like my wife <laugh>.

Mattew Souza (29:14):

Hey. But that was, that was perfect cuz now we could clip that. We’re gonna title it Thomas, the now you’re not, we have proof all capital

Thomas DeLauer (29:20):

Letters. Well, and there’s no, you know, here like, can I share my screen

Sevan Matossian (29:23):

How I think I, I

Mattew Souza (29:25):

I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we, we’ll just bring it up here.

Thomas DeLauer (29:29):


Sevan Matossian (29:29):

Have no phone. And what was, so is that the first time you’ve actually seen him face, like you guys shook hands?

Thomas DeLauer (29:33):

Yeah, I mean, we’ve talked a lot though. We’ve, we’ve, I think I do. I go to present. Okay. Share

Sevan Matossian (29:38):

Like you guys are

Thomas DeLauer (29:38):

Phone share screen. Check this out.

Sevan Matossian (29:40):

Yep. You guys, guys are like phone friends. Like you’ll actually talk to him.

Thomas DeLauer (29:44):

<laugh>, uh, like we’ll text now and then. Um, okay. He asked me, you know, questions and stuff on, on the business practices on the YouTube side. He’s still just a kid, you know, like he’s, he’s very mature, but he’s, he’s a kid and he’s just kind of learning, you know, a lot of different practices on the media side and stuff like that. Okay. Uh,

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