#695 – Live Call In Show

Mattew Souza (00:00):

He go,

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

<laugh>. I started what you’re talking about his news video?

Mattew Souza (00:04):


Sevan Matossian (00:05):

I saw the first 15 seconds of it almost started crying. I had stopped it. <laugh>, is he crying in the beginning? His eyes are, he’s emotional.

Mattew Souza (00:13):

I haven’t watched enough, but yet to know. That’s why I was asking if you saw it.

Sevan Matossian (00:17):

It’s 40 minutes long. Bam. Live. Yeah. Bam. Yeah. Bam.

Mattew Souza (00:25):

Paper cups are back.

Sevan Matossian (00:28):

Why is that? What happened?

Mattew Souza (00:29):

They got lost in the move and then I found ’em again.

Sevan Matossian (00:32):

Oh, you’re a paper cup guy in general.

Mattew Souza (00:34):

Well, it’s just easier when I make an espresso, cuz half the time I dump it into my coffee. That probably sounds bad, huh?

Sevan Matossian (00:41):

No, I, no, not

Mattew Souza (00:43):

Little red eye.

Caleb Beaver (00:44):

The coffee, the coffee shop out here.

Sevan Matossian (00:46):

Only if you’re worried about us thinking you’re a meth addict.

Mattew Souza (00:49):


Caleb Beaver (00:51):

There’s a coffee shop out here, it’s called, and they make a called the Mother of all coffees, the Moac. And it’s like

Mattew Souza (00:59):


Caleb Beaver (01:00):

Yeah, it’s stupid. Two cups of coffee and like, it’s, it’s like a cup of coffee, a cup of cold brew and four shots of espresso.

Mattew Souza (01:12):

Holy crap.

Caleb Beaver (01:14):


Mattew Souza (01:15):

Like how do

Caleb Beaver (01:16):

The maintainers

Mattew Souza (01:17):


Sevan Matossian (01:18):

Is it a, uh, who, who runs that? Is that an American run coffee shop?

Caleb Beaver (01:22):


Sevan Matossian (01:23):

<affirmative>. Oh, that’s why they think it’s cool to call it that, but,

Caleb Beaver (01:27):

Well, I think they’re, they’re trying to appeal to the people who would buy it the most and it’s the maintainers and they’re like, they have a, one of the bombs is like the mother of all bombs or something like that. Moab. And so they’re like, it’s like, yeah, this is cool American shit.

Mattew Souza (01:44):

<laugh> just a ridiculous amount of coffee. It’s

Caleb Beaver (01:48):


Sevan Matossian (01:49):

Why would, why would you make a cold brew with a regular brood? It, it, I don’t get that

Caleb Beaver (01:54):

To keep, because it’s gonna be like scaling hot. So you have to like taper it down so it’s not as hot when you drink it. Have

Sevan Matossian (02:00):

No idea. So you cool it down with more coffee? Okay.

Caleb Beaver (02:02):

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Sevan Matossian (02:04):

I get it.

Mattew Souza (02:06):


Sevan Matossian (02:08):

I, I sent you the notes today in two sections.

Caleb Beaver (02:11):

Yeah, I was confused, a little, a little nervous.

Sevan Matossian (02:14):

The second half is just, cuz su only gets like half the notes at a time.

Mattew Souza (02:19):

And then when you sent them like that, the first one has all of the notes. Oh,

Sevan Matossian (02:23):

Of course.

Mattew Souza (02:23):

But yeah, that’s always how, that’s why when I saw it I was like, I was gonna tell you. I was like, that’s always how it works. Right?

Sevan Matossian (02:28):

Of course. Um, oh it’s weird shit. My notes aren’t even in there. Uhoh there’s this guy who hate, uh, who wa who watches, who hates the fact that I use, I

Mattew Souza (02:43):

Say bevo,

Sevan Matossian (02:46):

I’m big truck trouble.

Mattew Souza (02:47):

Not Google doc. Google Doc,

Sevan Matossian (02:50):

I’m sure it’s on my phone. Uh, that guy we had on uh, Travis Bad’s son, we’ve had his dad on uh, Travis page. We’ve also had Tyson be on, I don’t know if you guys saw yesterday, but Tyson, for those of you who watch football, I mean I don’t watch football, but, uh, Tyson be just broke the all time touchdown passes in all divisions as a quarterback 158. It’s pretty nuts. Hi Jeffrey. Good morning.

Mattew Souza (03:20):

Yeah, and you could tell it’s getting big cuz I just typed into the Google search bar Tyson B and all of it’s Tyson badge. Tyson, Badget E ESPN Tyson Badgett Stats and his Twitter.

Sevan Matossian (03:30):

Oh yeah. Wow. You found that quick. Uh, be the 2021 Harlan, uh, trophy winner as the top two division player and finalist for the 2022 on. He’ll win it again that the Harlan Hill trophy is, uh, division two football’s, uh, equivalent to the Heisman.

Caleb Beaver (03:45):

You imagine Division one athlete winning the Heisman two years in a row. I know you don’t watch football, but that’s an incredible feat.

Sevan Matossian (03:53):

Yeah, I I would, it’s interesting cuz this kid may have done it. Um,

Caleb Beaver (03:58):

Cause it’s based off votes too,

Sevan Matossian (04:00):


Caleb Beaver (04:01):

Like it’s not like, like you could have a really great season, but you’re not gonna get the Harlan Hill of the Eisman. Right. And you’re definitely more than likely not gonna get it twice.

Sevan Matossian (04:12):

Um, in, in his, in his game, like two, two games ago when he broke his conferences all time, uh, touchdown passing record, the head coach from the other team was the guy who had set the record like 20 years earlier. And that got, and I, maybe I’m conflating stories, but I think that guy then ended up coming out onto the field. They stopped the game. He shook Tyson’s hand and then later that guy was being interviewed and he said his 27 years as a head coach or whatever, he had never seen a quarterback like this. There is no, there is no other Tyson, Beijing.

Caleb Beaver (04:45):

I hope he get, gets drafted. That’d be really cool.

Sevan Matossian (04:47):

Yeah, I think he’s, I think he’s gonna get drafted in the first round from some of the weird shit. Like, I don’t know what I’m allowed to say. Not what, what Maybe I’ve already said some of it on the show, but the, the, the people that are coming to his house to court him, it’s pretty crazy.

Caleb Beaver (05:03):

That’s awesome. Yeah. Out in the middle of nowhere. Is that West Virginia?

Sevan Matossian (05:06):


Caleb Beaver (05:08):


Sevan Matossian (05:09):

Know, maybe say that again.

Caleb Beaver (05:11):

You know, they’d mean it if they’re coming out there to see it.

Mattew Souza (05:13):

Like <laugh>. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (05:15):

I will tell you this, one of the best quarterbacks ever who all everyone knows whose oldest dirt now came to his house for dinner to talk to ’em. And then who I would say is the greatest running back who ever lived? Who, who probably a lot of people don’t know, uh, also called, uh, called him and they’re really trying to get him to,

Caleb Beaver (05:37):

Did they ask him to do the combine?

Sevan Matossian (05:39):

All that? He he was invited to the senior bull. That’s like, um, oh,

Caleb Beaver (05:43):

That’s a big

Sevan Matossian (05:44):

Deal. Yeah. I think that’s, uh, I think everyone knows he’s it’s dude imagine the all time touchdown passing record in college football.


I dunno who Reggie Bush is, but it’s not Reggie Bush and I, and I shall not say <laugh> shall not Corey. Good guess. Oh, Mike, this is close helping this. You’re close. You’re close. Uh, here we go. Uh, well that that what, and that’s why no one knows about who the all time greatest running back of all time is because he played with the Lions <laugh>. What a fucked up situation. Yeah. What, what a what a special human being that guy was. Right? Holy crap, Sanders. Yeah. It’s so, it was so weird watching him play because you would always be excited. I, I don’t know who the football players are now, another great guest, Mr. Butter. But there were these, there were tons of great football players like, you know, back in my day, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, um, you know, Jim Plunkett. There were players that were exciting and you like to see shit, but then there was this one guy and every time you got the ball you were like, oh shit. And yeah, and it’s that guy. Cause that it was just nuts.


And even though his team was just ass, what a weird place. How’s the weather down there? Is it cold? It’s perfect now. It’s cold in the morning. Well, it’s not cold. It’s overcast. So it’s kind of warm still. It’s like probably 70 degrees, but then at three o’clock, you know, the way that sun hits the coast of California, it get starts warming up probably like 78 yesterday, around three. That’s awesome. It’s cold and rainy here. Oh yeah, man. Earl Campbell was something else too. You’re right Casey. I forgot about that. That was freakish. He was freakish too. Yeah. I assume you’re talking about um, the Detroit Lions. Yeah, Bo was something, uh, there was a, I think I remember cuz I used to watch the Raiders religiously. I think that they had three Heisman Trophy winners in their backfield at one point. I think they had like Bo Jackson, Jim Plunkett and was it like James Jet or some shit? It was nuts.


I don’t think it was oj. OJ the Jews. OJ was I think even before my time. Yeah. Walter was cool. Uh, yesterday I brought up this quote. Um, who would you be with? Uh, uh, we were talking about tools to, uh, to watch your thoughts. And I talked about this tool. It comes from a lady, someone sent it to me in my dms or someone said it in the YouTube comments. It comes from a lady named Byron Katie. I’d forgotten her name. And she has this thing called the Four Steps. And you know what’s funny is I was, I was introduced to Byron Katie, not her personally, but her, her stuff. And as I started researching her, I realized that she’s married to Stephen Mitchell, who is the author of that, of my favorite book of all time. The dowing. That that pocket edition Isn’t that trippy?

Mattew Souza (09:10):

Really? Yeah. That is

Sevan Matossian (09:12):

So trippy. I, Katie is trippy. If you see her video, she’s trippy as fuck. They’re trippy. I think they lived in, lived in Berkeley too. I remember trying to find their house. I always wanted to like walk by their house.

Mattew Souza (09:26):

<laugh> just walk by.

Sevan Matossian (09:28):

Yeah, I walked everywhere.

Mattew Souza (09:30):

Hope they’re kind of in the front yard so you could strike a conversation or at least get a look

Sevan Matossian (09:34):

When, uh, I, I went to school for six months at, um, over at the University of London. And when I was there, I can’t remember where Steven Hawking was teaching, but he lived on campus. This is probably in 1992. And I, and I went to his house in and knocked on the door cuz I wanted to meet him, but he wasn’t home. But he had glass doors in the front so I could look like, look in his house. And I did. Yeah. I I did, I did. I think that’s maybe like the only famous person I ever stalked. <laugh>. Uh, I did watch the fight last night, uh, with Stephen Wonderboy Thompson and Kevin Holland. It was, uh, it was something else. Did, did, did Patty Plet fight last night? I thought he was gonna fight. I maybe I had my schedule all wrong.

Caleb Beaver (10:22):

Tie to

Sevan Matossian (10:23):

<inaudible>. Yeah, that Russian crushed him, huh?

Caleb Beaver (10:28):

Yeah, he got

Sevan Matossian (10:28):

Smoked that, that was, uh, that was weird. Good morning. Shs Shs Shs of Shiv Graphics quickly becoming the,

Mattew Souza (10:39):

Oh, that’s him. I saw some of his graphics.

Sevan Matossian (10:41):

Got some The Bryan, the Bryan friend of commentating. Uh, he’s the sh is the, is becoming the underground graphics. God. So I wanted to share with you, uh, for those of you who are interested, I wanted to share with you, uh, a couple of things I wanted to explain to you. There was a post in there that I, I made this, um, YouTube clip where I talked about how, uh, breasts and masks I, I was trying to show the, the, the power of masks that basically even someone like me, who knows they are a complete joke when I see them, I cannot resist the penetra the penetration of what they tell me. And it’s the same way with, uh, with boobs. You could, I was using the illustration that you could just take a lady and just put right in front of you, in front of a hundred guys. I would argue that you could just put water balloons under her shirt or socks. And if you had like these little monitors on all hundred dude’s penises, you would see some sort of change in them. <laugh>. Oh, Patty fights next

Mattew Souza (11:52):

Week. Some activity

Sevan Matossian (11:53):

<laugh>. Yeah. So you’d see some activity. You’re not sold on that, are you Caleb

Caleb Beaver (12:00):

Uhuh? Well, no, no, no, I’m not, I’m sold on that.

Sevan Matossian (12:04):

I am not hungover. I’m just so chilled this morning. I am definitely not hung. It’s

Mattew Souza (12:09):

The Morning Newport voice.

Sevan Matossian (12:10):

Yeah. And, and, and every, I’m, I’m, I’m sick or something. I think Go ahead, Caleb. Boobs. I

Caleb Beaver (12:16):

I’m, I’m just not sold on the fact that you like all of them.

Sevan Matossian (12:21):

Okay. 99. There’s a, there’s a,

Caleb Beaver (12:24):

Okay. But even the, this 400 pound woman that we showed on her Instagram clip.

Sevan Matossian (12:31):

Okay. Okay. She’s a hot girl. I’m willing to, I’m willing to bend with you. It’s a,

Caleb Beaver (12:36):

I can’t appreciate that. Okay,

Sevan Matossian (12:38):

Here we go. Here we

Caleb Beaver (12:39):

Go. Personality,

Sevan Matossian (12:40):

Here we go. It’s a five foot, two Puerto Rican girl with super long black, thick hair and skin that’s as soft as marble. And

Caleb Beaver (12:48):


Sevan Matossian (12:48):

Of course, 26. And she’s as flat as a cutting board. And then right in front of us, uh, she puts the water, balloons in

Caleb Beaver (12:58):

Then Yeah, I would immediately just, just instinctively I would say, oh wow.

Sevan Matossian (13:03):


Caleb Beaver (13:03):

But if it was somebody that I like, I could see in my periphery for like 45 degrees because of how wide they are. Yeah,

Sevan Matossian (13:12):


Caleb Beaver (13:13):

Fine. Then I

Sevan Matossian (13:14):

Go to, first, I, I’m with you. I’m only Ben with you. I’m willing to bend, I’m willing to bend with you. I’m just talking a hundred dudes sitting in chairs. Girl walks up to the front of the room and you slip water balloons under her shirt, <laugh> and I and, and, and she’s the perfect girl. And, um, yeah. I, yeah. I, I boobs are boobs to me, I’m just saying

Mattew Souza (13:34):


Sevan Matossian (13:35):

You can’t even, if, even if the girl has giant boobs, if she’s wearing a sweatshirt and you might, then you might, they might be hidden <laugh>. I, I, yeah,

Caleb Beaver (13:43):


Sevan Matossian (13:43):

Yeah. I don’t know. Some guys love, I mean, all guys love, I think all guys actually love flat boobs too. Um, whether they say it or not, they don’t, we don’t, we don’t, we don’t care.

Mattew Souza (13:59):

I just loved Cam’s answer. I can’t

Sevan Matossian (14:01):

Appreciate that. I wanna go, I wanna recalibrate Caleb. I wanna take him to a land of just obese women and watch him just slowly recalibrate.

Caleb Beaver (14:09):

Dude, I I would probably go nuts from the first like two hours.

Sevan Matossian (14:15):

I wanna take him to Disney land

Caleb Beaver (14:17):


Sevan Matossian (14:17):

Walmart. I wanna, I’m gonna leave you in Walmart for, well, I recalibrate so quickly. Uh, anyway, so I apologize for projecting my calibration. Um, I dunno if it’s skills or weaknesses. Anyway, there is, what I’m about to tell you is not true. Uh oh. So in that post that I made, someone wrote in their, uh, psychoanalysis from a non psychologist, and it made me think about a way to explain to you, uh, where, where psychology has lost its way. And what I’m gonna say to you is a hundred percent not true. This is just a tool to look at things so that you, if you, if you’re interested, you could start the journey inward. And it was developed by a Russian philosopher named Pete Ouspensky at the, uh, turn of the century, sorry, or Russian mathematician. And he hung out with a lot of really, uh, fantastic people at the turn of the century.


I think it was like, you know, when I say turn of the century, I mean 1900. And he wrote a lot of books. He wrote a book called The Fourth Way, and I think he wrote another book called Like The Possible Evolution of Psychology. I’m saying it wrong, but the paradigm that he created or that he that’s talked about in this book is there, there there are four kinds of things that we react to that come from us. And they come at four different speeds. So you have to imagine a well, right? And you’re looking down the well and something comes up from that. Well, and it comes up really slow. And those are thoughts.


And those thoughts are the easiest thing to watch because they move so slow. So I’ll give you an example. If I told you that you were gonna fast starting Monday morning for 48 hours, many of you would start having thoughts, especially, uh, as it got closer to the evening tonight, you’d start panicking a little bit. You’d start having these thoughts about, oh shit, maybe I, it’s, it’s, it’s 1159. Maybe I should eat some shit. Cause I’m not gonna get to eat for the next 48 hours. There’s this anxiety that comes with in the form of thoughts, oh, the psychology of, of man’s possible evolution. Yeah, great book. God, such a great book. That book, that was one of the first books that ever changed my life. I just found it on one of my friend’s bedroom floors when I was over there. I’m like, Hey, can I have this book?


He said, sure. And so those are thoughts, and you can watch those thoughts much easier than you can watch anything else. They come very slow. A lot of people still don’t watch them. They just react to them. But those are very easy to watch and to let pass. So as that thing comes up to, well, instead of grabbing it, you just let it go by. You just let it, you don’t feed it, you don’t say anything to it. You don’t, you just let it go by. And, and these are thoughts and they moved, but they moved pretty slow.


Then the second fastest thing that comes out of the well is, is this animal called emotions. And they come very quickly and people will start to think, those are very hard not to just reach out and grab and start living, to start embodying. Those are emotions, right? Rock hits your windshield. You’re like, fuck, and, and you actually have a physical manifestation of it. Uh, someone says, uh, a racial slur. That’s what being triggered is. It’s because you don’t have something happens to you and you have an emotional response. And instead of letting it pass, you embody it. You let it, you let it live. It’s like, it’s like you’re possessed and, and you, and you let it live through you. Like I said, none of this is true. What I’m saying, this is just a paradigm for thinking, for understanding.


And, and these things come in different levels, right? Different intensities. Some thoughts are, are, are some thoughts are, are, are will be scary. Some will be funny, some will, but, and some emotions will feel good and some will be. They come in a whole variety of colors and intensities. Then the third, then the third fastest thing that comes, um, out of the well is, uh, these are, these are physical responses. That’s why like quitting nicotine is so hard because there’s a physical addiction to it. It’s why I can’t explain to you how to ride a bicycle, because what’s happening that your body is responding to being on that bike or a balance board or on a super windy day or walking on a slack line here at this point, your thoughts and your emotions need to really get out of the way. And you have to be able to, something has to learn in you that most people are even, even remotely conscious. That exists. And you can think of that as sort of the body mind, swimming, walking. You see it in babies, like learning how to walk. This is a, this is a tremendous feat we’ve accomplished to get up on these feet. You really don’t understand the miracle of walking until you see a baby try to learn how to walk. They’re like, wow, this is crazy.


And then, and then, and then the fourth fa, fourth fastest thing are these things that we call auto. That, that extremely quick speeds are things that we take for granted is automatic. This is like digesting food, breathing your heartbeat. And, and these are, you are at church. You are at church for me. You feel like you’re at church. You are at church. Watch that thought. Watch that thought. Okay, it is Sunday. And when people say things, um, like, uh, this is a psycho, this is a psychoanalysis from a non psychologist. What psychologists do is they don’t watch those things. They’re not interested in going deeper. They’ve been tricked. And what they are doing is as these things come up from the well, they’re labeling them, they’re labeling, labeling them. There’s this, uh, do saying, I’m pointing at the moon and you’re staring at my finger. These are people who’ve been hypnotized by the phenomenon. Instead of watching the phenomenon, they’re reactors. And that’s why this guy, that’s why there’s this sort of, this appeal to authority, but they’re not doing anything. They’re just labeling shit. And what I’m talking about isn’t, has nothing to do with labeling shit.


It’s talking about, uh, if, if you wanna see a classic example of someone who’s just asleep and just reacting to shit to their thoughts and their emotions. Watch the most recent, there’s a 15 minute clip on YouTube of Joe Rogan talking to Derek from plates and dates. And they’re, and they’re watching the, um, they’re watching the Liver King apology. And you can just see Joe just straight asleep on autopilot. And what he’s doing is things are coming out of the well, and he’s grabbing those things and he’s labeling those things. And so that’s, uh, it’s supposed to be, it’s supposed to be, I’m, I’m, I’m, I know I had to be in a certain place to share this. This isn’t comfortable for me to share.


I had lots of thoughts that were like, don’t even try to explain this stuff on <laugh>. I just let them go. And so that’s, that’s the, that, that is a tool you can use. That is a paradigm you can use to start looking at yourself and to start seeing and organizing how you have become a robot or just so reactionary. That’s why stillness is so important because what it does is it, it doesn’t let you get tricked by these things like psychology or like labeling things. You can just let things go. And as you let things go better, things almost always arrive deeper, better, more powerful, uh, thoughts, feelings, emotions, automatic responses. I think the movement one is extremely powerful. And, and all of these things can be tested. You don’t have to take my word.


You don’t, you don’t have to. Good morning, Corey. You don’t have to take my word on any of these things. You can test them with very simple tests. In, in the test I most often talk about is just lie down and don’t react to anything and watch thoughts pop up. Like, oh shit, is the stove on? Or Oh my God, I have an itch on my neck. And, and, and, and don’t, don’t react to any of them. Just have your hands by your side and, and just watch these things and watch all the noise and chatter jump up at you to try to get you to react. And, and that’s, that’s basically the, uh, a fantastic paradigm you can use to, uh, to start examining yourself. It, it’s extremely potent. This potent is the g d Go ahead. Uh, sorry Corey. One second. Su go ahead.

Mattew Souza (23:45):

No, I was only say, have you ever seen this, uh, heard that, uh, Headspace before

Sevan Matossian (23:50):

The app?

Mattew Souza (23:51):

Yeah. You know what I talking

Sevan Matossian (23:52):

About? No, I’ve heard, I’ve heard, I I’ve seen it. I’ve heard amazing things about it. I have not used it. I’ve downloaded it like on every phone. Is it good?

Mattew Souza (23:58):

It’s almost ex like exactly what you were describing is the app. Okay. Like if you plug that in and you listen to it, it’ll be like, hi, welcome. And then it, it literally says like, thoughts come and go. There’s no way to react to the thoughts. Just observe the thoughts. And when you feel your mind wander, just bring it back to your breath and then realize you’ve attached to a thought and then set it yourself and go back to watching them as like cars driving by on the freeway. It’s funny, just, it almost sounded like you were in the same like voice and tone tonality and like the Yeah. Everything of it. So that’s why I was getting

Caleb Beaver (24:29):

Waking up is the same kind of thing.

Sevan Matossian (24:31):


Caleb Beaver (24:32):

It was very weird. It’s a good app. Both of ’em

Sevan Matossian (24:35):

Are. Oh, well. And, and even so as you start cultivating this, it’s uh, um, uh, Caleb says, waking up, you can actually, you can actually start realizing ways. You can just trick your brain. So, or not trick your brain, but own your brain so you’ll, you’ll start becoming powerful enough. I can just tell myself I don’t have powerful enough’s for a word, but I tell myself before I go to bed at night, Hey, when you wake up, don’t move. And, and my body will listen to me and I’ll wake up in the morning and I won’t even move. My eyes won’t even open anything. It like got the note and I’ll just be there and I’ll be like, holy shit. Seon, here you are. Yeah.

Mattew Souza (25:11):


Sevan Matossian (25:11):

Book is if you, and if I don’t do that, I just sit up and start my day. Go ahead. This,

Mattew Souza (25:15):

This is the same, this book is the same as much you were talking about as well too.

Sevan Matossian (25:20):

Emotional agility.

Mattew Souza (25:21):

Emotional agility, yes.

Sevan Matossian (25:24):

And um, I, I wanna show you this, uh, along that line I’ll tell you a uh, someone just sent me, darn it. Did I not save that?

Mattew Souza (25:39):

Did I still have Corey on the line?

Sevan Matossian (25:41):

Oh, Corey. Hi.

Corey (25:43):

I’m just hanging out. I’m so enlightened. I have nothing but time. Good. None of this bothers me.

Sevan Matossian (25:48):

Okay, good.

Corey (25:50):

Just letting it,

Sevan Matossian (25:51):

Yeah, just let all that nonsense. I just said pass right over you. Thank you,

Mattew Souza (25:55):


Sevan Matossian (25:58):

Well, how are,

Corey (25:58):

Well it’s um, interesting question. I hope everybody’s day started a little bit better than mine. I’m so great. Had a dog pass away this morning. So how I spent, uh, had to bury a dog. Oh, in the backyard.

Sevan Matossian (26:14):

Oh, what kinda dog?

Corey (26:15):

It was one of our hound dogs.

Sevan Matossian (26:17):

Oh, was he a working dog? Was he a working dog?

Corey (26:21):

No, it was a dog that we couldn’t really acclimate to the rest of the, the dogs. Cause it liked to fight a lot. Yeah. Um, but my wife went to go feed the dogs and I’m cooking breakfast for my daughter and she comes in and almost tears and is like, so one of the dogs is dead. And, um, so I had to explain,

Sevan Matossian (26:43):

Fight a four year old. Did he die in a fight? No,

Corey (26:45):

It just died in his sleep. Um, so I had to explain to my four year old this morning as we’re burying our dog death and all. So other than that, I’m still alive. I’m still here, still healthy. So still a great day.

Sevan Matossian (27:01):

Awesome dude.

Corey (27:03):


Sevan Matossian (27:04):

Anything else?

Corey (27:04):

Well, I, I, yeah, I got a question for you. So obviously <laugh>, so I think I want, I see why you think people, thoughts and emotions to flow over than others. I I truly believe, um, at the end of this semester, so a couple days ago, one of my students asked me how I’ve become so enlightened and I kinda had to giggle a little bit cuz I don’t really even think that I am, I just think that through all of my adversity, I just have an ability to see the bigger picture. Um, not take things for granted. You know, understand it’s not a huge deal when somebody cuts you off, but I I don’t think that a majority of the population sees stuff that way. So I’m curious to see, um, you know, what, what’s your take on that? What do you think allows people, or what are some of the things allow, allowing these people to see some of that enlightenment and let things pass them over quicker than others?

Sevan Matossian (28:09):

At, at the bottom of that well is something that we call death.


And one of the phenomenon of hitting rock bottom is one of the fantastic things about it that, that most people who make the journey don’t, at least I didn’t realize it was happening when I was hitting rock bottom, is you, you, there is a surrender that comes with it that makes it so you automatically, you become steadfast and fuck my thoughts, fuck my emotions, fuck everything. And you surrender. And so you pass by all the thoughts, you pass by all the emotions. There’s nothing, there’s nothing in you anymore even worth living for. So you, you go into this almost like automatic preservation, deep meditation state. You don’t care about moving. You don’t care about any of those auto, those responses. You don’t care about going to the bathroom, nothing. And then if you’re lucky and you hit rock bottom, you have an encounter with this thing that we call death. I, I wish there was a better name for it. I guess some people call it God.


And most people at that point will turn our way because I don’t know if that’s not true. I don’t know what most people do when they, when they encounter that, but it’s so fucking scary. And from there, you um, have, then you get a glimmer at, of, at eternity. And you, because you’ve abandoned yourself, you let yourself die and you think you’re gonna die because all of your tools of understanding what happens about death is that the dog gets buried in the backyard. But because you’re 35 years old and just laying on a sidewalk somewhere, you don’t die. And that’s what’s called, when I think of you’re reborn.

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