#676 – HillerFit Review Show

Sevan Matossian (00:02):

Bam. We’re live. Hello there. Hey. Good morning.

Caleb Beaver (00:07):

Good morning.

Sevan Matossian (00:07):

Mind you, Hillary.

Andrew Hiller (00:08):


Sevan Matossian (00:09):

You’re not cold.

Andrew Hiller (00:11):

Shit. Why can’t I hear you in here?

Sevan Matossian (00:13):

You’re not cold. Time for a haircut.

Andrew Hiller (00:16):

I got now. Hello?

Sevan Matossian (00:20):

How many hours did you sleep last night, Caleb?

Andrew Hiller (00:23):


Caleb Beaver (00:24):


Sevan Matossian (00:25):

See, I switched that up. I, I was, I purposely wanted Hillary to think I was asking him

Andrew Hiller (00:30):


Sevan Matossian (00:30):

Answer at the last minute I pivoted.

Andrew Hiller (00:33):

Good. Oh, you son of a bitch. How many hours did you sleep? Caleb? Yeah.

Caleb Beaver (00:37):


Sevan Matossian (00:38):

I thought you were gonna ask me.

Andrew Hiller (00:40):

I know. We don’t care. Just like you didn’t care about me. Five hours, Caleb.

Caleb Beaver (00:46):

Yeah. About that

Andrew Hiller (00:47):


Sevan Matossian (00:48):

<laugh>. How many did you sleep hill?

Andrew Hiller (00:51):

Um, just under four.

Sevan Matossian (00:55):

Yeah. I didn’t sleep so much last night.

Andrew Hiller (00:57):

Not very much. Why did you not sleep very much?

Sevan Matossian (00:59):

I just stay up too late. I just start like fooling around. Like I’m, it’s like 10 o’clock. I’m like, it’s time to go to bed. And then I look and it’s 1117, and I’m like, you know, like,

Andrew Hiller (01:09):

All right. What did you do with this camera? This looks good.

Sevan Matossian (01:12):

Thank you.

Andrew Hiller (01:13):

Yeah. What’d you do?

Sevan Matossian (01:14):

I just used a, I have so many real cameras. I just hooked up a real camera to the, uh, show and, uh, and then put a really shallow, uh, lens on it with a really shallow depth of field.

Andrew Hiller (01:27):

I like

Sevan Matossian (01:27):

It. I would like to make it even more shallow, but the problem is, is I lean back and I’m trying to keep my shit in focus.

Andrew Hiller (01:36):


Sevan Matossian (01:36):

I think it would be appropriate if, uh, Cal Stevan and Caleb go shirtless too. You wouldn’t say that about me if you Actually, once I did it

Andrew Hiller (01:44):

Him, I got sent a video of you doing some burpees the other day.

Caleb Beaver (01:47):

<laugh>. I know you fucking told me

Sevan Matossian (01:50):

About it. How bad are they? What? He doesn’t What What’s he fucking up? He’s not opening his hip at the top. Let’s talk about this.

Andrew Hiller (01:55):

Oh, we’re, we’re missing some chest to the ground.

Sevan Matossian (01:58):


Caleb Beaver (01:59):

Wells. Little tight. It’s full tight of the bottom. Okay.

Sevan Matossian (02:01):

It’s embarrassing for show. It’s embarrassing.

Andrew Hiller (02:04):

What part is tight

Sevan Matossian (02:05):

On this? It’s not tight. Is the

Caleb Beaver (02:07):

I definitely, my chest is, is probably about this far off the ground.

Sevan Matossian (02:11):

Isn’t it easier to bounce your chest off the ground? I, as I get to the end, I start fucking, like bouncing myself off.

Andrew Hiller (02:18):

Depends on, I think it, as a wrestler, I’ve always thought so. Cause you basically just sprawl and hit your chest to the floor. But I do think that there’s a little bit of built in, like breathing that you’ve learned over time as a wrestler. And maybe some people just don’t have that knocks the wind out over and over again, which is a negative.

Sevan Matossian (02:36):

It could also be because Caleb six two and I’m five five, so throwing my body on the ground.

Andrew Hiller (02:42):

You ever fall? What’s the furthest you’ve fallen from

Caleb Beaver (02:47):


Andrew Hiller (02:47):

Either of you?

Sevan Matossian (02:49):

One time I was in Poland and I was filming, and it was super, it was all snowy and icy outside. And I was outside like a subway terminal. I think I was in Warsaw and there were like six stairs, cement stairs. And I slipped at the top and, and I, I immediately just turned to my back to protect my camera and held my camera on my chest.

Andrew Hiller (03:13):

And, and the camera is currently being used on the show today?

Sevan Matossian (03:16):

<laugh>? Not, no. Not that was many years. But, but that was that. When I think of falls, I think that’s probably one of my,

Andrew Hiller (03:21):

So six steps is what?

Sevan Matossian (03:23):

It wasn’t too bad. It scared the shit. Shit outta feet. Me five feet. I would rather do that than do what? Like Froning or Fraser or Vener did on like Froning fall from the rope would’ve fucking, I I’d be in a wheelchair.

Andrew Hiller (03:34):

How about you, Caleb?

Caleb Beaver (03:36):

I think I’ve only like fallen from standing. And if I’ve fallen like a distance, that’s been like a couple stairs, I’ve, I’ve never like, legitimately fallen off of something.

Andrew Hiller (03:46):

Do do you have any fear of heights either of you?

Caleb Beaver (03:49):


Andrew Hiller (03:49):

Not really.

Sevan Matossian (03:50):

Me, no. Likey me?

Andrew Hiller (03:51):

No. Why do you, what’s your fear from, from that fall? From the stairs of six steps?

Sevan Matossian (03:55):

No, I just, I just get, I just get uneasy. Like if I’m climbing a tree to get a Frisbee out of a tree and it’s 20 feet or 30 feet high, like a big pine tree or 40 feet, shit can start to get weird for me. I mean, I do it.

Andrew Hiller (04:06):

When I was at,

Sevan Matossian (04:07):

Have you seen this movie? Go ahead. Go

Andrew Hiller (04:09):

Ahead. When I was at that ninja gym, I got up the warp wall, which is the American Ninja Warrior thing. And I looked down, I’m like, fuck, how do I get out of this thing? And I had every single like, tie together of every person that has ever gone off a rope in your CrossFit affiliate and then be like, oh fuck. I never learned how to get down. And it’s something that as, as a coach there for a number of years I picked up on after a year or so. But I’ll never forget those first couple of people that got up the rope and they’re looking down, they’re like, now what? And I’m like, oh, fuck. We didn’t go over how to get down <laugh>.

Sevan Matossian (04:39):

Wow. Oh,

Andrew Hiller (04:41):

<laugh>. And then what

Sevan Matossian (04:41):

You I see that with my little ki with my kids a lot. When they first started climbing ropes, like they have a plan to go up but not come down.

Andrew Hiller (04:49):

I’ve fallen hard before though, so I’m terrified of heights. When I was building this garage, I fell and I went to the hospital. Have you ever seen this scar here?

Sevan Matossian (04:56):

No. I just, in my eyes, I just stare at your left eye the whole time I talked to you. I just stare at you.

Andrew Hiller (05:01):

I know. It’s, it’s wide open. Yeah. I fell on some scaffolding and split my face open, building the garage.

Sevan Matossian (05:08):

I jumped off a roof in college and broke my back. Knocked me unconscious.

Andrew Hiller (05:11):

That’s a fall. You idiot.

Sevan Matossian (05:13):

But I jumped. I jumped. Oh.

Andrew Hiller (05:15):

Oh. My dad has a story about when he was like in his twenties and he jumped off a roof trying to get into a pool and with all his buddies, and he was probably drunk and split his mouth open. You could like poke his tongue through his chin. Oh, <laugh>.

Caleb Beaver (05:28):


Andrew Hiller (05:29):

Yeah. Dudes are pretty dumb.

Sevan Matossian (05:31):

This, um, I concur this. I watch this trailer and this trailer made me fucking, not like I did not like this trailer made me never wanna see this movie. Can I play this Hiller or I get in trouble?

Andrew Hiller (05:43):

No. Likely get in trouble.

Sevan Matossian (05:45):


Andrew Hiller (05:46):

I mean, damnit

Speaker 4 (05:48):

Hunter, what are you getting us into?

Sevan Matossian (05:50):

Have you seen this trailer? If you don’t confront, have you seen this trailer?

Andrew Hiller (05:54):

No. Just pause it every once in a while. Every, every six seconds and you’ll be

Sevan Matossian (05:58):

Good. You see the girls?

Andrew Hiller (05:59):

I’ve not seen it. No.

Sevan Matossian (06:00):

Okay. The movie’s called Fall. You,

Speaker 5 (06:01):

You’re always gonna be afraid. Trust me.

Sevan Matossian (06:10):

Fuck that. Fuck that. I would never fucking You. You watch

Andrew Hiller (06:16):

That movie, you like the uh, hundred and 47 hours where the guy gets stuck under a rock. It’s something like that. It’s like a number of hours. And he is just stuck under a rock. It’s like unfortunate wilderness circumstances where they’re just fucked. So what happens? They’re just hanging.

Sevan Matossian (06:30):

Yeah. The whole movie is gonna be them at the top. But all the, the trailer makes me want vomit.

Andrew Hiller (06:35):

Those movies are amazing. It’s like deep blue sea where they’re just stuck in the ocean or the guy stuck under a rock or these people are stuck in the sky. <laugh>. There’s a movie called, uh, frozen where Oh

Sevan Matossian (06:47):

Yeah, my kids love that movie.

Andrew Hiller (06:48):

No, no, no, no, no. It’s the same name. But this one, they get eaten by wolves because they jump out of the ski lift. They’re stuck. It just shuts down on ’em. And they’re skiing

Sevan Matossian (06:58):

<laugh>. I’m

Andrew Hiller (06:59):

Reading this. It’s one of those D level horror movies that no one’s ever seen, but it’s worth watching.

Sevan Matossian (07:04):

I’m reading this book right now by a guy named Craig

Andrew Hiller (07:08):


Sevan Matossian (07:09):

Hours. I forget his name, his last name. Richie? No, not Craig Richie. It’s called The Longest Shot. It’s, it’s a, um, autobiography and there’s so much death in it that it makes the Roger Sparks book look like nothing. And, and it’s, it’s like, it’s disturbing me when I read Kayla Harrison’s book about how she was molested for when she was 18 years. Greg Harrison, what’s his name?

Caleb Beaver (07:30):

Craig Harrison.

Sevan Matossian (07:30):

Greg Harrison.

Caleb Beaver (07:31):

Kayla Harrison. Or my,

Sevan Matossian (07:33):

But when I read, oh, same last name.

Caleb Beaver (07:36):

Yeah. I just thought of it.

Sevan Matossian (07:37):

Cause Kayla Harrison’s book kind of fucked me up too. I actually asked her when she came on the show, I was like, do you think I’m a better person for reading your book? Cause I, it’s, it’s eight years of molestation and it’s, it’s brutal. But this book, this guy goes to the Balkans and he goes to Iraq and his for some, everywhere he goes, there’s just so many dead women and children. And he goes into detail about it and it’s, it’s,

Andrew Hiller (08:02):

It’s called what

Sevan Matossian (08:03):

The longest shot he’s gonna become on the show soon, but

Caleb Beaver (08:08):

Technically think it’s the longest kill.

Sevan Matossian (08:11):

Is it?

Caleb Beaver (08:12):

Yeah. The longest dance show.

Sevan Matossian (08:16):

I mean, it’s an incredible book. I’m Oh yeah, you’re right. The Longest Kill. You’re right. It, the reading of it. The, this audio book’s amazing. By the way, I can’t stop

Andrew Hiller (08:26):

This came out in 1600, is that right?

Caleb Beaver (08:30):


Sevan Matossian (08:31):

January 1st, 1600. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (08:35):

Look, publication date right

Caleb Beaver (08:37):

There. There’s no way

Andrew Hiller (08:38):

That can’t be right.

Caleb Beaver (08:39):

It’s like a, it’s a modern war story from like the past 20 years.

Andrew Hiller (08:43):

A modern war story from 400 years ago.

Sevan Matossian (08:47):

I, um, I I I wanna start. Uh, J Howell. What’s up? Good morning, brother. Speaker. Good morning, JT Watkins. Good morning, Bruce. Wayne. Good morning, Hartel. Good morning. Gabe from Paper Street, the guy who keeps the lights on, uh, here at Theon podcast. Uh, good morning Rose. View Photography. Dick Marrin, Richard Mar. Good morning, Bruce. Wayne, uh, it’s Heckles tv. Hiller’s Eye has not activated yet. No, he was born like that. It has maybe when he is 50. Jay Harle, Jamie Latimar.

Andrew Hiller (09:13):

J The Gray is not a great movie.

Sevan Matossian (09:16):

Uh, Karina Rain. Good morning. Hessen. Albert Nason looking even better with this camera. Maybe not speak, I won’t think he looks like a homeless guy. One time I was in San Diego, California in there, this is like five or six years ago and it was really hot outside. 10 years ago. This is 10 years ago, let’s say I was 40 and it was really hot outside. And I had my little chihuahua beji mix with me. Tiny little dog that I have par mesh. And, uh, my wife had to go to the bathroom really bad. And it was one of those days that’s so hot that no one’s out, no one’s walking around. And for California, that’s like a hundred degrees. And so my wife has to use the bathroom. And so she goes into the Starbucks to use the bathroom and I kneel down behind some newspaper stands to get in the shade, mostly for shade for my dog. And I’m just petting my dog. And this guy walks up to me, you know this story, I’ve told this story. Kayla, this guy walks up to me and hands me a $5 bill and says like something like, Hey, get something to eat for your dog, <laugh>.


And I reach up and I take the five and I say, thank you <laugh>. So, so many people. When was this? Uh, 10 years ago.

Andrew Hiller (10:33):

So while you were

Sevan Matossian (10:34):

That’s not the only time. That’s not the only time people have thought I was homeless. I mean, I I get

Andrew Hiller (10:40):

It. Say this is while you were working at CrossFit. Did I miss that part? You

Sevan Matossian (10:43):

Were, yeah. I was working at CrossFit. Yeah.

Andrew Hiller (10:44):

Had a house all the whole deal. You were just hiding in the shade. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (10:47):

So I gave you money and you took it. Yeah. I’ve always been a very, uh,

Andrew Hiller (10:51):

You didn’t say anything, just like, thanks.

Sevan Matossian (10:53):

Yeah, just, yeah. But you know what I did? So about, about, about a hundred feet later, a hundred yards later, we’re walking and I see him, this same guy who gave me the five bucks talking to another homeless guy. And so as I walk by, I gave that $5 to that homeless guy. He was talking about San Diego, filled with homeless people. And, but I don’t even, I didn’t get the effect I wanted. I wanted that guy to notice and be like, what the fuck? But, but he didn’t. But I mean, I, I, I wish that was my only story where someone thought I was,

Andrew Hiller (11:25):

Try to say, this isn’t the first time you’ve been called homeless.

Sevan Matossian (11:28):

Dude, let me tell you something. And I don’t, and I don’t appreciate it. Cuz being homeless was very dramatic and attacking me in the marginalized, dis dis disproportionately marginalized community really hurt and brought back a lot of strong memories. Uh, C4 dollars for Hiller. Keep up to good work boys. Thanks Tommy Rodriguez.

Andrew Hiller (11:47):

I’ve crushed at least a dozen of these in two days. So <laugh>, don’t your eyes and be Caleb’s. It’s part of the gig.

Sevan Matossian (11:57):

Oh, shit.

Andrew Hiller (11:57):

Someone wants to explode after one of

Sevan Matossian (11:59):

Them. Uh, I don’t see in my notes what I wanted to How come?

Andrew Hiller (12:04):

Well, you’re talking about being homeless and I think people knew where you were gonna go with that one. But it’s your notes.

Sevan Matossian (12:11):

Thank you. I, um, there is a Clydesdale Media video that,

Andrew Hiller (12:18):

Um, yes, I I saw that,

Sevan Matossian (12:20):

That, uh, I, I highly recommend you watch. Do you know what’s crazy

Andrew Hiller (12:25):


Sevan Matossian (12:25):

So, I’m, I’m putting, I’m putting the, the, I’m putting it in the comments. I, i, I think it’s worth watching for so many reasons. But the main reason is, is, uh, this guy who was on the show, uh, um, uh, Scott Schweitzer, who is the host of Cly Dale Media, starts the show by saying, Hey, this isn’t in, I’m not defending Sevan at all. I just wanna look at these clips. And he looks at these clips and actually this video, I I I I, I cropped a four minute se segment of this video and put it on my YouTube page. It’ll premiere today at 9:00 AM But what this girl Bethany did is, is pretty bad. I mean, I didn’t even notice she altered my voice. That’s a fucking,

Andrew Hiller (13:08):

I noticed it the first time I watched.

Sevan Matossian (13:10):

It’s such a dickhead thing to do. I’ve

Andrew Hiller (13:11):

Heard this dude talk more than almost my own freaking father at this point in my life. And I’m like, that doesn’t sound like him. What does she do? Like, I thought maybe she listens to it sped up a little bit and when she was record, like taking the screen grab, maybe it changes the way you sound. I never thought that she did that on purpose, which is possible. We don’t know for sure.

Sevan Matossian (13:31):

Every clip just me.

Andrew Hiller (13:33):

Well imagine. And

Sevan Matossian (13:35):

You can hear it. You can hear it. How it ramps up. When I talk, you can see this, it ramp up. Like when someone else is talking in the same clip, their voice is still normal. It’s,

Andrew Hiller (13:43):

You sound weasley for sure. You’re like, eh,

Sevan Matossian (13:46):

If I’m such a douchebag, why do you have to like, um, add to my douche bagger? It’s a great video. I I I, I highly recommend you look at it just to see what, what kind of fucking shenanigans, uh, everything that, that people will do on YouTube. It is, it’s a very thoughtful video. I really appreciated it. I

Andrew Hiller (14:06):

Thought, I wonder what she’s doing, right? Because if I leave something out, I immediately think, shit, the entire thing looks bad on me now because I didn’t like put it together. Well, there’s like a story. I want the story to be, most people look at it and understand that I wasn’t trying to fuck with it. You know? And if she looks at that, and if she did do that, like, and Scott picked up on it, how clear is it that she altered your voice? The only way out would be, I assume, is what I gathered, which is maybe she listens to everything sped up and it changes the way it sounds. You could pull up a video of you talking and just at high speed and see

Sevan Matossian (14:41):

If it, this is what she’s doing. This is what she’s doing. You want to know what she’s doing? This is it.

Andrew Hiller (14:49):

I I don’t know.

Sevan Matossian (14:50):

This is it. This is her. No, I’m just answering your question. Yeah. You said I wonder what she’s doing. Oh, what she did. Oh, what she did to the video.

Andrew Hiller (14:57):

You’re taking that literally. Yeah. I wonder what she did to it. Yeah. Like if she did put a filter on it, that changes your voice.

Sevan Matossian (15:03):

This is what she’s doing. She’s working out. She’s

Caleb Beaver (15:06):

Getting, I tried to find this page. I think she blocked me.

Sevan Matossian (15:09):

Oh, you can’t see it?

Caleb Beaver (15:11):

No. I even tried it on my other account and I can’t see it.

Sevan Matossian (15:15):

She’s healthier now, which is good. That makes me

Andrew Hiller (15:17):

Happy. I don’t know if I’m, I, I, I don’t think I follow her, but I couldn’t imagine she blocked me. I’ve never had anything negative to say about her, I don’t think.

Caleb Beaver (15:26):

Well, neither have I, but,

Andrew Hiller (15:30):

Um, what was the handle again? Is it just Sporty Beth?

Sevan Matossian (15:33):

Yeah. Oh no. Sporty Beth cf.

Andrew Hiller (15:37):

I think I’m blocked.

Caleb Beaver (15:38):

She’s got a check mark.

Sevan Matossian (15:41):

This quote, she, she wrote in this post, I have a, having a bit of extra body fat will always be heavier than having Ed.

Andrew Hiller (15:49):

Is that it? Sporty Beth cf. Is it backwards?

Sevan Matossian (15:53):

Oh yeah. Maybe you got blocked too. <laugh>. She probably can’t block me because you can’t find me because I, because I’m shadow backed <laugh>.

Caleb Beaver (16:03):

The only time that’s ever coming handy,

Andrew Hiller (16:06):

I really hope that I didn’t like do that wrong. Sporty Beth. I, I like triple check to make sure before I say I was blocked

Caleb Beaver (16:14):

<laugh>, I, I did it on like four different browsers and I still can’t find it.

Sevan Matossian (16:18):

You gotta go over and watch that video. It, that Clydesdale Media made that Scott Schweitzer made it, it, you have to go to the live tab to watch it. And it’s called Scott Riffs.

Andrew Hiller (16:28):

Yeah, it was pretty good.

Sevan Matossian (16:29):

It’s so good.

Andrew Hiller (16:31):

People were, he likes it cause he’s biased, but then there’s like some very investigative stuff done there. Like he’s a fricking Pi.

Sevan Matossian (16:38):


Andrew Hiller (16:39):


Sevan Matossian (16:41):


Andrew Hiller (16:41):

Shit. Like, oh crap. One of the best things he brought up, brought up in there was the fact that some of the stuff was pulled from Reddit and Wikipedia. And I got in trouble in college for, um, not sourcing something taken out of, uh, book that I used. It’s like you’re supposed to source everything taken from everywhere. And I remember she’s handing back papers and, you know, it was a 10 page paper walks by and just like drops a fucking book on my desk. And everyone turns and looks and the book is like the college stance on plagiarizing. And I was like, what the fuck is this? And I opened it and she has a, a sentence circled and it’s like, you have to cite that you took it directly out of this. Do it again. You’re out of the college. And I was like, okay, next time I’ll use Wikipedia <laugh>. But I also knew that if you used Wikipedia, you were in the wrong. And from then on out, all I ever did was cite literally everything. Cause I didn’t wanna get kicked outta school. But it was one of those things where it was like, book.

Sevan Matossian (17:37):

What grade was that?

Andrew Hiller (17:38):

That was in college, probably my junior year of college. Great. There was a sentence pulled from somewhere that was word for word. I’m like, I don’t know how the fuck else you wanted me to say it, but in which case, at the end of it, you’ve gotta say exactly where it came from. And they’re not wrong. They say it everywhere. I just fucked up.

Sevan Matossian (17:56):

No plagiarizing. Hey,

Andrew Hiller (17:57):

It was nuts though. How, how everyone turned <laugh>. Like when you drop a gallon of in the grocery store, everyone looks at you’ve, I’ve done

Sevan Matossian (18:08):

Those boys who had to clean it up hate you.

Andrew Hiller (18:12):

Oh, I helped you did job security. I fucking dropped him, man.

Sevan Matossian (18:18):

My bad. Um, uh, Hiller did go to college. He was like, uh, he was a kinesiology major, I think.

Andrew Hiller (18:24):

Yes, sir.

Sevan Matossian (18:26):

Uh, yes sir. So at 9:00 AM on my channel, the, um, uh, right when this shows over, I’ll be showing a six minute clip from, uh, Scott Schweitzer’s, uh, YouTube page, um, that I clipped out of his video. And then there’ll be a link in that video if you wanna watch the whole thing. I think you do wanna watch the whole thing. I think you’ll be entertained. Um, it, it’s, uh, it’s very, very, very well done. There’s no dull moments. He just keeps moving through her video. And he, I think he says in there even basically you could, you can refute everything in there that she said. I, when I watched it, I didn’t, I watched it twice and I didn’t, I was like, is is any of this true? Is there one thing in here that’s true? And I couldn’t find it. So,

Andrew Hiller (19:10):

Um, it’s unfortunate.

Sevan Matossian (19:12):

Uh, cause

Andrew Hiller (19:13):

There was a lot of time. That’s the first thing I took away and I think you and I talked about is like, wow, that took some time.

Sevan Matossian (19:19):

Oh yeah. She, she easily spent 40 hours on it. And I actually thought the clips were pretty good, but when I saw Scott play out some of the clips and like what she did too, she didn’t just change my voice. She edited, she did, um, what’s it called? She did a lot of word fuckery. It’s, it’s, it’s mean. It’s, it’s not, uh,

Andrew Hiller (19:36):

Yeah, it ended up looking really mean. When Scott went into

Sevan Matossian (19:40):

It. It’s not, it’s not a press, it’s not a push at all. All to say it’s extremely unethical. Like if her parents saw that she did that, if my kids did that, I would be pissed. I’d be like, that’s

Andrew Hiller (19:51):

How I usually put things into perspective. You know? You said if your kids did it, you’d smack ’em up. Yeah. And I think like, if I did that, what would my dad do or say or think or like, if this happened to Alexis, how would I feel? Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (20:05):

I tried

Andrew Hiller (20:05):

To put That’s a good one too. Like certain perspective. Like I’m sure we’ll come back to that at some point.

Sevan Matossian (20:10):

I I wondered that too. I was like, does she not know that I have a wife and kids and that lying about me? Like anyway. Well, uh,


<laugh>. So, so one thing before we start talking about some of these videos, um, by the way, congratulations on your video this morning. Uh, once again, it really moved me. Um, it’s almost uncom from uncomfortable for me to tell you, but we’ll get to that. Oh, Hiller, I, I went to, after watching your video, I went over to Nate Edwards account and I looked at his thumbnails again. And if you look at his thumbnails, um, have you, I think that you should do this experiment, I think for the next, uh, 15 days in your thumbnails you should use Dave Tia, Danielle Karon, Matt Rich Brooke, Danny Spiegel, Haley Adams, Malo Bryan, Noah Olson, and, and, uh, Justin Mades and, and, uh, f Kowski. And, and then just repeat and do that on two cycles

Andrew Hiller (21:10):

And see if my views go from shit recently to 50,000 every single time.

Sevan Matossian (21:14):

I don’t think your view shit, but it’s, it, so, I mean, it’s clear. It’s pretty obvious. Um, he has a, it’s pretty obvious what’s going on there.

Andrew Hiller (21:24):

You know what I’ve done recently, I’ve been getting very frustrated with myself as I’ll like record something. It’ll take 20 or 30 minutes. I try to get it down as compact as I can, but I’ll be doing it. I’ll realize it’s too long and I’ll realize that the things I’m saying aren’t the things that I wanted to like really drive across. So I was watching, I was, I was making that whole video and I wanted to like, give Edwardson a little bit more credit. Cause like I know what you’re doing with the face, it brings people into your driving clicks. And the biggest criticism I’ve had of him always is that you, you’re left wanting, you want more from it. It’s like, what, I came here to see this and you never fucking said anything. And then I went to my channel and I’m like, I’ve got some of those two. And I wanted to, I was like scrolling through while recording and I’m like, there aren’t very many in my videos where I feel like I don’t drive something across. And while his are five and mine are upwards of 20 minutes, like if you look at these, pick one of them or you watch it and you’re like, he didn’t talk about that for one fucking second. Or like, he didn’t even say anything. Like, he didn’t state his opinion. There was not, there was no takeaway.

Sevan Matossian (22:24):

So look, you use a picture of Danny Spiegel and you get 30,000 views. You use a picture of Brad Pitt and you get 4,000 views. 5,000 views.

Andrew Hiller (22:32):

Yeah. CrossFits don’t know who Brad Pitt is.

Sevan Matossian (22:35):


Andrew Hiller (22:36):

He’s he’s just one of the most handsome men in history up there. Zach Efron. But

Sevan Matossian (22:41):

I think, I really think that you should try that experience. Look at the Haley Adams 21,000 views.

Andrew Hiller (22:46):

Oh God.

Sevan Matossian (22:47):

Matt Fraser, 16,000 views. Uh, Danielle Brandon, 17,000 views.

Andrew Hiller (22:54):

So I even admit that like when I, when I put Daniel Brandon in that one, it was like the lowest of the low. I felt that I’ve ever gone using her as like quick bait. And while I still address her, it’s like 30 seconds with barely anything to it.

Sevan Matossian (23:08):

And this is one of the greatest thumbnails you ever made. You turn Matt Fraser into a duck

Andrew Hiller (23:13):

<laugh> right here. Scrooge McDo. That’s him. Yeah.

Sevan Matossian (23:18):

And that’s 23,000. I really think you should try it.

Andrew Hiller (23:21):

All right. All

Sevan Matossian (23:22):

Right. I’ll send you the list of names.

Andrew Hiller (23:24):

Okay. You got ’em listed.

Sevan Matossian (23:28):

Uh, that’s interesting. I, I, I had a link to an Instagram clip. This is what Floyd 19 was speaking to and it’s um, it’s gone. Did you go to the press conference? The CrossFit games press conference?

Andrew Hiller (23:41):

I was there. I was in, I asked a question, they let me

Sevan Matossian (23:44):

Speak. What did you ask? What was the press conference about

Andrew Hiller (23:48):

Changes to the rule book recently And a lot of the questions were around the strength of field, uh, in relation to where it would give spots for this upcoming semi-finals. And the question that I asked was, why don’t you just guy? Well, at the beginning of the entire thing, Berg and I have the entire thing kind of voice recorded. I guess I could have put something together on it, but the gist of what I picked up was Berg says that they want to use the sport, and I might be paraphrasing along with the methodology to like drive them together, bring he help bring people into the affiliates, right? To which I picked up upon that. And I already had a question that I wanted to ask, which is, why don’t you use the open like as your strength of field? It’s like the upcoming season.


The biggest critique was people like, maybe even Taylor who everyone knows from the show was injured last year. So when he’s injured and you’re taking the previous two years into consideration with your strength of field, and then you’ve got people like Ricky who in previous years were suspended for drug sanctions, like how can they get a strength of field position if they weren’t competing? The answer to that is you use the open. It’s like everyone has a fair shot to like give their strength or the outcome of year. It’s entirely in their ball in their court every year. And then also the community sees that the athletes are like kicking ass in the open again, it gives it a little bit more priority. But what ended up happening was, and you’ll hear this on the Talking Elite at this podcast, Eubanks and Sean are going back and forth, Tommy maybe too, that the games is the most important. And no matter what anyone does anywhere, Tia and Justin having won the games last year, will make them the strongest in the field. Didn’t

Sevan Matossian (25:26):

Didn’t, didn’t they even go as far as to say it guarantees you they go to the quarter finals no matter how they perform in the open? Did they say that?

Andrew Hiller (25:31):

I did not pick up on that, no.

Sevan Matossian (25:34):

Okay. I don’t know if it was said in the press conference. I thought I, someone told me that or I heard it somewhere else. Maybe that’s wrong.

Andrew Hiller (25:38):

But yeah, so like most importance, the games, then the semi-finals, then the quarter finals and the open is like barely important. So again, we’re left with, it doesn’t matter, finishing the top 10%. And if you’re an elite athlete, you’re like, fuck it, all I gotta do is get to the quarter finals and then fuck it. I’ll get to the semifinals and then I gotta perform. And it really doesn’t matter if I only have five spots. Cuz if you’re someone like Maderas, Kowski, any of the big names, you know, I’ll be like, well I don’t need an extra spot at the semifinals. But someone like Taylor who hasn’t competed in a couple years, who would like more spots and would his strength of field would really play into it.

Sevan Matossian (26:12):

Ah, he would

Andrew Hiller (26:13):

Like maybe a couple of extra spots.

Sevan Matossian (26:15):

Wow. That’s the first good argument. Now I’m fucking understanding it. Wow.

Andrew Hiller (26:20):


Sevan Matossian (26:21):

Yes. Wow. So these guys, by not needing the spots actually hurt the entire field by not performing well and adding to the strength to, to the power of that field. Because they don’t need people who need it because they’re already going, wow.

Andrew Hiller (26:35):

The people who need it are gonna fight for it and the people who don’t need it are going to make matters worse. Cuz they’re already taking the

Sevan Matossian (26:41):

Spots. Yeah. They still influence the outcome

Andrew Hiller (26:44):

For other people. But you could also say like, because they’ve been there, done that and they were at the games and they might not need the help that they’ll also, it, you can make the argument either way, but I really like the idea of fighting for it every year.

Sevan Matossian (26:55):

I remember, uh, uh, um, Berg always being obsessed with, um, golf. I think he may, may have in a previous life, he may have worked somehow with the pga.

Andrew Hiller (27:03):

Just cause you hate golf doesn’t mean you can’t hate

Sevan Matossian (27:06):

<laugh>. But, but he was really into that format. He, what what I, this is I bet you somehow related to golf, he was really, he wanted, he wanted the format to be so much, Hey, they’ve ruined the open. That’s, that’s the clearest day. They’ve completely ruined the open. And

Andrew Hiller (27:21):

It used to be like the fucking best

Sevan Matossian (27:23):

It was originally ruined when they before, uh, um, uh, rose bought the company. They it was ruined already by switching the time of year. That was dumb

Andrew Hiller (27:34):

In October. Yeah. I

Sevan Matossian (27:35):

Wasn’t either. That was completely stupid. And then, then it, it’s, it’s just gotten, it’s just gotten worse and worse and worse.

Andrew Hiller (27:43):

Well, why do you think it’s gotten worse other than the switch? What else you got

Sevan Matossian (27:46):

From the competitive edge? There’s nothing there. They’ve completely taken the sport out of the open, if I shouldn’t say completely, but if the, there’s a definition of what sport and competition is.

Andrew Hiller (27:57):

They ruined it. I just signed up. That’s

Sevan Matossian (28:00):

Funny. And they’ve, and they’ve reduced the value of, of the competition in the sport. It’s less sport and less competition than ever. It’s kind of like the Special Olympics are not a sport. If every single fucking person wins, it’s an event. It could, maybe that opens a fantastic community event or something like that. I’m open to those arguments. Well, here’s sport competition. It’s been, it’s been neutered.

Andrew Hiller (28:27):


Sevan Matossian (28:28):

Dude we saw on Sarah Sigmans daughter’s Instagram, it doesn’t matter. We heard Sam Low corny say it. I mean, it’s

Andrew Hiller (28:35):

So serious on that clip. Finally,

Sevan Matossian (28:36):

Actually, and, and in all, in all fairness, their coverage of the games is consistent with that. Their camera angles. The, the, the lack of, of focus on, on the competition. How close the times are. They don’t, they don’t talk about that thing like it’s a competition. I’m not blaming, uh, Sean or Chase, I’m blaming whoever’s drag because I think they only see the cameras, but it’s a fucking, they miss half the shit.

Andrew Hiller (28:59):

I’m very appreciative that they lit me into that press conference and that they also allowed me to ask that question. And the only thing that I wish I could have done was like, push, but I didn’t feel as if having been there given that opportunity and already have, I didn’t, I wanted like a little back and forth and be like, why not use the open? Tell me why not use the open? Like, you realize that in your 2020 you used it as a direct qualifier for the games and it worked. Then why? And like that was going to the CrossFit game. Maybe it was 20, right? 2020 where they took people directly into the second level of the games and then they took the top five to the ranch. I think that was the

Sevan Matossian (29:38):

Year. I don’t remember. I just know that it used to

Andrew Hiller (29:40):

Matter. But either way, like every year up until that, it mattered quite a bit on different levels. But that was a very important year. And if you can qualify for the games, like what’s really the issue with the, the strength of fielding and the grand scheme of things like me, like fuck it. It barely, I mean, it kind of matters, but it’s not that important. If you’re gonna make the games will win, you’re still gonna get.

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