#674 – Live Call In Show

Caleb Beaver (00:00):


Sevan Matossian (00:01):

I could use it. I, I, I, uh, attached a bam, we’re live. I attached a camera to the, uh, camera link, and I put a 50 millimeter 1.8 on it.

Caleb Beaver (00:14):

<laugh> Perfect.

Mattew Souza (00:20):

Looks great.

Sevan Matossian (00:21):

Good morning. I’ll try, I’ll try some, uh, different lenses. But I started thinking I have all, I have so much camera gear. You’ve been in this room, Suz. It’s insane.

Caleb Beaver (00:31):


Mattew Souza (00:31):

It is. It’s like a, it’s like a radio shack without a business, and you just took everything.

Sevan Matossian (00:36):

It is like that, right? Yeah. Yeah. It’s nuts. And it used to be even crazier. I keep every, I try to get rid of so much shit. I have so much shit in here, like, and so much nice stuff. So many nice lenses and cameras, and I just got to, uh, holy. Now you know what I look like

Mattew Souza (00:57):

Wayne Bruce. Bruce Wayne changed his icon. I don’t,

Sevan Matossian (01:00):

I like that.

Mattew Souza (01:01):

It feels like he’s in Hawaii or something. That’s a vacation. I call. He

Sevan Matossian (01:04):

Is got, yeah. It’s Florida. Florida.

Mattew Souza (01:06):

Oh yeah. Florida. That’s right.

Caleb Beaver (01:08):

It’s always a vacation down there.

Sevan Matossian (01:12):

What does it mean to be free?


Your, uh, your country, your country, and your government officials and your friends and family and all that stuff. None of that stuff’s ever gonna give you, uh, any freedom. There’s only one kind of freedom, and there’s only one kind of true happiness. And that is when you are selfless. And that is always, always 100% of the time always available for you. True freedom and true happiness are always available for you. Always 24 hours a day. It’s available for people in the slums. It’s available for people in the jails. It’s available for people who are rich in their ivory towers. It’s available for the people who were, uh, on the, uh, in the gas chamber and in the electric chair. It is always available for you. It is the only place, if you guys wanna start the morning with the truth where happiness exists. Happiness does not exist anywhere else, nowhere else except where selflessness lies. Selflessness is a practice, uh, of, of taking your awareness and becoming, having it become of awareness itself.


If you are, a lot of people, uh, spend their entire life keeping their awareness focused on the noise, um, and the voices and the pictures in their mind. And therefore, they never experience, uh, freedom or happiness, uh, true happiness. And they also never experience awareness of awareness. And so it’s something that has to be cultivated. And for those of you, for people who’ve never experienced freedom or awareness of awareness, uh, I’ll break it down a little more granular for you. Uh, you can make, you can shift your awareness from your thoughts to your body. And in that, when you shift your awareness from your thoughts to your body or from your thoughts to your breathing, you in that shift, um, you will start to experience, uh, happiness and freedom. All of the misery comes from the story you’re telling yourself and nothing else. You’re sitting in your hotel room, you have a big meeting the next day, and a car alarm goes out, goes off underneath your window, and you get mad at the car alarm.


You have been duped by believing that that car alarm is pissing you off, and therefore you are giving up your freedom. And you are far from selfless because you are now the story that that car alarm is keeping you up and screwing up your meeting potentially for tomorrow. It is not the car alarm that’s bothering you. It’s the story you’re telling yourself about it. And the fact that you think you are, that story. When we talk about the people who are being professionally offended and they go out of their way to, uh, be offended and they take everything and, and, and they make it about themselves, it’s because they don’t wanna give up that self.


It’s, it’s, it’s deeper than the fact that they, uh, want to be, uh, professionally offended on the deeper level. It’s because they’re attached to that and they’re bolstering their self, their identity. It’s the irony of the whole identity discussion, because in identity, there is absolutely zero happiness. There is zero happiness in being a gay man, an Armenian man, an American man. There’s zero happiness in being a liberated woman in being a, a mother, in being a, uh, a professional female athlete. That is not where happiness exists. A matter of fact, the antithesis is being attached to those things that creates your identity and having to defend them with more stories and more noise.


You, it, it, it, you do not have the free will that you think you have. The only free will that a man has is to shift his awareness. It is the only place there’s freedom, and it’s the only place where there’s happiness, and it’s the only place to experience your free will. You are nothing but a fly that twitches from one pile of shit to another unless you shift your awareness. What’s interesting is the vast majority of people have no idea. What’s very interesting about the CrossFit community is because we go to the pain cave, we do have, we have it built into our lifestyle that our awareness does shift. It’s what I say about doing the a hundred burpees. I haven’t said it in a while, but you guys have heard me say it before. If you think you have a lot of problems in your life, uh, do a hundred burpees as fast as you can. Your awareness will shift out of your, uh, mind, and it will shift your breathing, and you will experience an awareness shift, and all of your problems will go away.


There are tons of tools out there where you can begin to pry into that. The mind does not wanna die. And so whatever, whatever that, that, that, those, that clump of thoughts, wherever they exist in this sphere of thousands of little stories that make up your identity, you can examine any one of those when they pop up, if you’ve cultivated enough awareness, and you can ask yourself, who would I be without that story? And that story, and that narrative will run. It doesn’t wanna be examined. None of them want to be examined because they’ll experience the little death. And the more little deaths you have, the closer you get to freedom and happiness. There is not happiness anywhere else. There is no happiness with seon. Seon will never experience happiness. Those people, uh, who, who haven’t begun on that journey, I can’t think of a better parallel other than that. They’re zombies. They have their hands in front of them, and they’re being dictated by their thoughts, and then they react to their thoughts. Is awareness not free? Will no. Uh, your, your ability to cultivate your awareness is part of your free will, and your ability to shift your awareness is part of your free will. And that is it. And if you don’t believe me, you can test these things out. You can try to impose your free will on your body. It’s not, it doesn’t, it’s nothing that that has to be debated. I’ve talked about it endlessly on this show. Lie down, stay perfectly still, and don’t react to a single thought.


Don’t react to a bo a single bodily sensation

Speaker 4 (08:25):


Sevan Matossian (08:33):

We, I, I think, I think we’ve done over, I think we’ve done 700 shows.

Mattew Souza (08:40):

Is this number 700?

Sevan Matossian (08:41):

I don’t, I, well, I saw that we have them numbered up to like 6 55 or six 70, and I’m like, yeah, further cow.

Mattew Souza (08:48):

I’m pretty sure it’s further than that. Like, we’re fast approaching 700. Yeah. 6 72 was the, Scotts was six 70. 6 74.

Sevan Matossian (09:02):

So, so that means we must be well over 700 shows.

Caleb Beaver (09:06):

No, we’re 6 88,

Sevan Matossian (09:08):

Including everything. We’ve, we’ve only, by that I mean everything that we’ve put up on Streamy Yards or on YouTube, we’re only at 6 88. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. I shouldn’t say only. Hi, caller. Hi.

Speaker 5 (09:18):

Good mornings.

Sevan Matossian (09:19):

Good morning, brother.

Speaker 5 (09:21):

Appreciate all

Sevan Matossian (09:22):

You do. Thank you. What do you mean by that? What do you appreciate?

Speaker 5 (09:26):

I appreciate everything. You, you give a lot to, uh, uh, the community to white. Just, you cover a lot of good stuff. You have a lot of good questions. Really, really appreciate all that you do.

Sevan Matossian (09:40):

Thank you for helping me build my identity. I’ll have to ditch that later today. <laugh> <laugh> for not having it. I appreciate it. You’re aware of it. He,

Caleb Beaver (09:47):

He’s got AIT now. Selfs stim.

Sevan Matossian (09:51):

Uh, I, what do you think about this close-up shot this

Speaker 5 (09:55):

Morning’s, right. <laugh>

Sevan Matossian (10:00):

Only spent an hour setting. It just, we

Caleb Beaver (10:03):

Don’t see the,

Speaker 5 (10:07):

So I was calling to, um, to talk about how inclusive the CrossFit community and the Brazilian jujitsu community are to, uh, adaptive and special needs athletes. Um, I’ve got a son that, uh, sorry, I get emotional. Uh, who I went into our local CrossFit affiliate, uh, a few years ago and said, Hey, can y’all handle an adaptive athlete? And they said, sure. And they have, um, taken my son under their wing and he is a full member of that, those classes. And they love him and they treat him wonderful. Uh, got a great trainer who, by the way, is, uh, athlete, um,

Sevan Matossian (11:06):

That, that, that, I, I like to hear that.

Speaker 5 (11:10):

Yeah. She, she was on team that, uh, competed last year, uh, or four last,

Sevan Matossian (11:17):

Um, what state are you in? But

Speaker 5 (11:19):

I’m in North Carolina, Wilmington, North Carolina, CrossFit reignited,

Sevan Matossian (11:23):

CrossFit reignited. Oh, what, what’s the, what’s the, uh, disability that your son has?

Speaker 5 (11:30):

So he, um, he has a, um, a doctor induced TBI to, um, he had seizures and they had to go in and remove, uh, the area that was causing seizures. And, uh, so he’s got some, uh, some small deficits in his left side. And, um,

Sevan Matossian (11:56):

And then mental or physical.

Speaker 5 (11:59):

So he’s got some pH some slight physicals, but then, yeah, there’s some developmental delays because of it.

Sevan Matossian (12:08):

How old is he?

Speaker 5 (12:10):

He’s 23.

Sevan Matossian (12:12):

Yeah. Well, I’m, I’m sure you know this, but man, getting him moving more oxygen, more blood, all that stuff is, it can do nothing but help it.

Speaker 5 (12:22):

Oh, definitely. Definitely. And, uh, yeah, he cross, he jujitsu, uh, did the same thing with when, about a year ago, went in and said, Hey, can y’all handle an adaptive and special needs athlete? They said, bring him on in. And, um, you know, they, I don’t know how your son’s classes are set up, but our, our classes here, you’ll do half the class, um, uh, drilling, which that’s pretty low impact, and it’s not really concern for injury. But then the second half of the class is, you know, rolling or fighting and, um, the professor will take and assign a higher belt for each round to go with to make sure he’s protected. It’s wonderful.

Sevan Matossian (13:12):

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Hey, and think about the gift he’s giving those people who get to roll with them too.

Speaker 5 (13:19):

Oh, definitely. They have such, they, they come and say they love it, and, uh, they’ll let him submit him and stuff. It’s kinda, it’s fun. It’s, it’s wonderful.

Sevan Matossian (13:30):

Yep. I, I don’t know if you know this, but I worked in a, I, um, I worked in a home with, uh, mentally disabled adults for five years, probably 60 hours a week. I actually lived there in the driveway in a little motor home, and I started there at the lowest level. And when I left there, I was running the house with 20 employees, and there were six or seven of ’em. And over those five years, I obviously built a very intimate relationship with all the staff and with all the adults. And I made a movie about it, and it’s called Our House, and it’s on YouTube at one 30, uh, film festival awards. It beat the, uh, film that won the Academy Award that year. Spellbound at one of the largest film festivals in the world, uh, out here in San Jose, California. But it was a, um, a very influential part of, of my, uh, life. It, it was, it was quite the, uh, man having brain injury, especially when Is he aware of his brain injury?

Speaker 5 (14:26):

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They only, they only, they just took out a small portion of it, remember stuff before everything it, yeah. But that was back when he was six. I mean, it’s quite a few years since he’s had that.

Sevan Matossian (14:43):

Can he hold down a job?

Speaker 5 (14:47):

Uh, we’re working on that. He know, he just graduated a couple of years ago from high school, so, um, we haven’t gone that route yet. Sure. But yeah, at some point you Yeah, yeah. He’ll be able to help out and stuff like that. Sure.

Sevan Matossian (15:05):

Well, thank you. Also, go

Speaker 5 (15:07):

Ahead. Can I, so not only the CrossFit community really does take under their w and I wanted to mention, um, there is a video of Matt Frazier and his girlfriend going to, is that, um, James Foster’s with, um, uh, oh, my brain’s not gonna work this morning. Um,

Sevan Matossian (15:37):

Who’s James Foster? Is it an adaptive? Uh,

Speaker 5 (15:40):

Yeah, no, he, uh, he just had the athlete that just went masters. He’s got the, he’s vision impaired. It’s, yeah. Oh no, the, the Kim really strong.

Sevan Matossian (15:58):

Her name was Kim. I can’t say her last name.

Speaker 5 (16:01):

Not her. No, not her. The, the strong one. The Big Sam dancer. Yeah, Sam Dancer. So Sam Dancer’s friend.

Sevan Matossian (16:10):

Oh, Matt, uh, Matt Bickle?

Speaker 5 (16:12):

No, no. James Foster. No, he has, uh, no, James Foster’s, James Foster. James Foster had an event that was a, that was a special needs event. And, uh, they able games, Matt Frazier, I may be, but there’s a video of them, of Matt with, um, with all of that group helping them in that event right after he won the CrossFit games.

Sevan Matossian (16:37):

Oh, that’s awesome.

Speaker 5 (16:39):

And not a lot of people know that, that I guess Sam and his wife invited Matt and his girlfriend down to help with that. And, um, it’s been a couple years. He’s been a couple years ago since, um, Matt won the, the games. But yeah,

Sevan Matossian (17:02):

I love it. That’s awesome. Good. That, that’s, I love hearing stuff like that. When we did the, uh, when I used to do the podcast with Matt, it was interesting because one time on this podcast, I interviewed a bunch of guys who were spending life in prison, and I did the interview, I did the interview when they were in prison, and they said, oh yeah, we know Matt Fraser. And I’m like, how do these guys who are spending life in prison know Matt Fraser? It’s because they had actually, Matt actually had done a bunch of calls with them to talk to them. Yeah. A lot of these guys, I mean, a lot of people in general do a lot of stuff that no one knows about. And when you, and, and it is important, I think to uh, highlight that

Speaker 5 (17:36):

It is,

Sevan Matossian (17:39):

Hey, it’s probably the only reason why it’s worth being a, uh, professional athlete is the fact is when you get to the top, what you can give back.

Speaker 5 (17:48):


Sevan Matossian (17:49):

So, right. Thanks for, yeah, absolutely. Thanks for calling. Appreciate it, Joe. Uh, Greg. See, small token of appreciation. That’s a nice token. Yeah, man. Thanks. Bye. Thank you. Hang on.

Mattew Souza (18:04):

I didn’t hear it come in that time. Do you have it silenced?

Sevan Matossian (18:08):

Uh, I don’t know. It is, yeah. That is it. It has been, um, I can’t remember the last time I heard it. Maybe I’m just quick on the trigger now.

Mattew Souza (18:16):

Dang. Look at you.

Sevan Matossian (18:18):

You’ve changed it. Clive. Uh, thank you for all you do, buddy. Thank you for all you do. So you, so we’ve done 688 shows, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy.

Mattew Souza (18:31):

And I don’t think, do we count the competition coverage and all that as show numbers still? I know we didn’t through the games. I don’t know if all that’s

Sevan Matossian (18:39):

Included. I think he just went to YouTube and then clicked totally videos, right?

Caleb Beaver (18:44):

Yeah. I didn’t, I haven’t, um, numbered the Zillow games on, but

Mattew Souza (18:49):

Yeah, I don’t think we did in the past either.

Sevan Matossian (18:52):

I cuz I got something the other day saying we were at seven 50 from Video iq, but that might be from also uploading videos and shit like that too.

Caleb Beaver (18:59):

I think that’s everything.

Mattew Souza (19:00):


Sevan Matossian (19:01):

Uh, I’m Jeff, I’m trying a new lens today. So before I was just using a camera that sat on top of my monitor, and now I hooked up a Sony camera to it. And I, and I, and I like the shallow depth of field. It’s just a little tiny, too much zoomed in. Yeah. It’s not zoom, it’s a fixed lens, but I hear you. I, I’ll convert that to layman talk to camera talk. Ah, thank you. Thank you. Maybe you’ll get used to it. Heidi. I like the new camera view Sivan. Okay. Um, there is a, uh, Instagram clip at the very top. It says virtue signaling versus doing. And there’s this thing Virtue. Yeah. Yeah. There’s this thing with Virtue Signalers too. A general theme to them that they, they don’t ever say anything specific.


And that th that’s also hard. If I were to, um, so let’s say those colors right there, for instance, um, you, everyone who sees that, that is supposed to, um, start their narrative up of what that flag means to them. It’s basically just propaganda. Let me give you an example in the inverse of it. If I told you I didn’t like Matt Suza, that he was mean, um, that he, uh, wasn’t nice to me, that I didn’t like the way he treated dogs, um, that, um, uh, you know, and, and I just came, stayed with these, these vague comments that, um, he was rude in the comments, uh, that he, um, no one in the gym likes him. I haven’t told you anything. I’ve basically just done a smear campaign. And then as I tell you those things, you start building a narrative around him. Well, yeah, no one likes him in the gym because he doesn’t put his weights away and, and, and you start building. But if I were to tell you, uh, I don’t like Matt, uh, because he hit me one time and because, uh, he’s rude to my wife and because every time I see him, he goes out of a way. Whenever we’re somewhere, he goes out of his way to step on spiders <laugh>. Now, you know, and I’ve put myself out, I’ve put myself on the line,


I put myself on the line. Now, now you can be like, Hey, I hate spiders. And I, and I agree with Matt, but I keep it vague on purpose because one, it’s not, it doesn’t matter to me because all I want to do is be offended and keep my identity going. And two, I don’t wanna make myself vulnerable and say anything specific. Just, just pick any of these people who are recently in the news. Uh, Kyrie, Kanye, Trump, the, these characters, 99% of the stuff you hear is just these vagaries, so and so is Ra. The comments are like that all over the place, all over YouTube and Instagram. People will write this huge paragraph telling you how wrong you are. But they could have used that time to actually specifically say what was wrong. Seven plus seven is is 18 seven. And then the comment will be like, seven. You fucking idiot. Did you never go to school? How come you can’t do math? Blah, blah, blah. When all the, they could have been like, Hey dude, here’s a picture of seven apples and here’s another picture of seven apples. Now look what when I bring them together, it’s 14 apple. They, people don’t do that


Because it’s not about, it’s not, it’s not about discussion. It’s about bolstering their identity and relinquishing their freedom to their identity. They’re being duped, they’re slaves to their mind, they’re slaves to their identity. Cuz their identity isn’t about telling you what the number is. I’m a do-gooder and I’m gonna tell you their identity is about being right and about putting other people down. Uh, uh, Andrew Hiller is strong because we saw him do a hundred cleaning jerks. Was it jerks too? With 2 25? Andrew Hiller is brave because we saw him do heavy grace with no warmup, with over a thousand people watching on the livestream <laugh>. You see how the specifics See, see, I’m telling you. And then, and then um, uh, and then, uh, uh, Thor, that guy from Iceland can be like, that’s not strong. That’s not brave. I did that yesterday when on my way to the refrigerator in the middle of the night to, uh, get something to eat. I did 2 25 a hundred times. And then the discussion and then the discussion can begin. Snatch Was it snatch? Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Caleb Beaver (23:50):


Sevan Matossian (23:50):

It was clean. Oh, it was clean jerk. Yeah.

Caleb Beaver (23:53):

Well he did a hundred snatches for time and then he did the heavy gross he’s done about like

Sevan Matossian (23:57):

Both of them. Oh, that 2 25 was a hundred snatches

Caleb Beaver (24:01):

I think, or wasn’t it? Was it? He did, he did a hundred snatches at one point. Damn.

Sevan Matossian (24:08):

Call her. Hi,

Caleb Beaver (24:09):

Soon as you down.

Speaker 5 (24:11):

Good morning. Good

Sevan Matossian (24:13):


Speaker 5 (24:13):

Loving, loving the topic and what you

Sevan Matossian (24:20):

Thank you.

Speaker 5 (24:21):

I like the little shorts on the, the children and parenting and that kind stuff. So thank I’m in

Sevan Matossian (24:27):

Hr. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (24:28):

Yeah, I’m in, I’m, I’m in human resources. So Yik, you know, one of the things that I see that I see a common theme is, uh, you know, I call, I want, you know, you, you put out this challenge about writing a book, you know, do something. So I started writing about maybe four or five pages a day. Just little, little thoughts that pop up and, you know, I, I come coming up with this theme about, you know, drug addicts in the workplace. And we’re not talking about drugs. We’re talking about, you know, people that like to go and gossip and, you know, be reassured that the way they feel is right. So what they do is they go and people that are like-minded and they don’t to get something contrary to they’re, they’re feeling. You know, you, what you just said right now kinda resonated to me.

Sevan Matossian (25:10):

Yeah. You know, I So one thing, go ahead. Go ahead.

Speaker 5 (25:13):

Go ahead. No, go ahead. No, you go ahead. Finished. No, no, you go. Well, so one of the things that I, that I, that I was thinking about is, you know, we all fall in that, that at some point, right? And the people that I’m attracted to are the ones that make me feel validated, but they always have a creative way of changing my perspective just a little bit, right? So, you know, cause I think it’s important to recognize where somebody’s at, but how do you get just a little bit more open mind for that next conversation? You know? Cause if I have trouble with, cause the first time I called in, he yelled at me or told me to stop yelling, and that’s all I talked about after that, right? Um, you know, I, I think what what happens is then I wanna go and I, I find somebody that feels the same way and then they, they make me feel validated. I go back to my office and after about three minutes I start feeling empty again. And I gotta go search that out again to get my fix.

Sevan Matossian (26:04):

And that emptied, that emptiness is what I was calling. And I’m okay with you calling emptiness, what we can call whatever we want. But that emptiness is what I’m saying is their identity needs to be fed. And so you say something that offends me that is not inherently offensive. And, and, and when I, when I, it’s not enough for me, I go speak to the outside world and demand they be offended too. It, that is a really vile human trait, right? I’m demanding, I’m demanding that others be offended, not because of what they said was offensive, but because I need to validate my own story. Yes, yes. Victor, yes. I don’t know if it’s full blown narcism, but it is all ego driven.

Speaker 5 (26:48):

Well, well, so, so if, if, if you feel, so, if I came up to you and I was upset, right? And I said something and you, so what I find works for me is I’ll find a similar experience where I felt that way and then I try to put in how I got through it. And I think that that’s the difference between gossip or, you know, that validation versus like a forward thinking conversation. You know what I mean? Like,

Sevan Matossian (27:10):

Right, right. Yeah. Hey, I, here you go, Jeff Baker, if you’re not there, I was, I was in San Francisco one time, uh, uh, across the street from like, it was across the street from like the, the, the big Sony metric on there and the Jewish Museum and the St. Regis and there’s a big park there. Well, it’s big for San, it’s not that big. Two, two or three square blocks. There’s a bunch of water features there. And I was just sitting there with my, with Greg Glassman and my girlfriend and myself and this lady on this beautifully manicured long walk lawn walks out there and her dog sits on the lawn and I start my, I start my narrative up. You dumb bitch. Fuck it. Blah, blah, blah. <laugh>. Do you know what Greg does? Uh, my wife had a, my wife had a poop bag cuz we had our dog there. He goes, can I have one of those poop bags? And she gets it and he walks over, he goes, ma your dog pooped over there. And he just hands it to her really gently. She’s like, oh, thank. And she goes, oh, thank you.

Speaker 5 (28:05):

That’s awesome.

Sevan Matossian (28:06):

So awesome.

Speaker 5 (28:06):

Well, you know,

Sevan Matossian (28:08):

So awesome.

Speaker 5 (28:09):

Somebody had, somebody had in, somebody had introduced like, you know, the victim mindset and how powerful your mind is, right? Like, if you held your finger up, if you didn’t tell it to move or think about it moving, it doesn’t move, right? So he’s like, your emotions are exactly the same way. So if you’re driving and somebody cuts you off, you’ve already made your assumptions of what it is, right? Like, you know, and in those moments you really should be backing up. But most of us, you know, on the gas and try to get on their bumper. So, uh, you know, he said, but what if I told you when you pulled up next to the car, there was a mom in there with a baby in the, with a blanket and there’s a little bit of blood on it, you know, all of a sudden you have a little bit more information and your story changes cause your thoughts create your emotions, you know, so, and

Sevan Matossian (28:52):

You’re a piece of shit. Then all of a sudden the story changes in your piece of shit. Right?

Speaker 5 (28:56):

But, but paradigm, the action itself was still, but the action itself was still the same. You got cut off. Right? So, you know, that, that, that’s kind of the, the different, different thought processes about it. So,

Sevan Matossian (29:07):

Hey, and the mind is so tricky too. So I’m at a gas station, a guy is in the pump next to me and he pulls out his ashtray and dumps all his cigarette buds on the ground, right? And then I go and tell 20 people that story because I’m trying to, I’m trying to, um, uh, get validation for my identity that, that upsets me. That someone dumped their cigarettes out on the ground.

Speaker 5 (29:33):


Sevan Matossian (29:34):

It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s just, and that’s the problem with fighting with these people because, well, the problem with finding these people, the topic doesn’t matter to them. They’re, what matters is that they maintain their identity. Which, which like, and I think you nailed it. I I hadn’t brought up the point I think you just brought up was, is that it’s such an easy way to secure some identity. Being offended is so much.

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